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[[File:Lordamere Internment Camp (Cataclysm).jpg|thumb|Brazie Farmstead]]
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The '''Brazie Farmstead''' is a residence that has been erected on the former location of the [[Lordamere Internment Camp]]. [[Brazie the Botanist]] resides here, and he requests the assistance of adventurers in defending his farm from attacks by [[Warden Stillwater]] of the nearby [[Sludge Fields]].
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{{Archives|October 2007 - June 2010}}
 
   
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[[Category:Hillsbrad Foothills]]
==Requests==
 
:{{Icon-information}} ''Requests for new icons should be placed here.''
 
''When making a request, please bear in mind the usefulness of the icon, in other words will it be used? Generally NYI races/creatures should not be requested as making the icon does require some sort of image to work off of. Creatures of similar nature or different skin/fur colors should also not be requested, for example we don't need a icon for polar bears, black bears, and brown bears.''
 
   
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[[ru:Усадьба Брейзи]]
'''Addendum:''' ''Don't request icons of content that hasn't gone live yet.''
 
 
{| width="75%"
 
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|valign="top" width="25%"|
 
===Humanoids===
 
*Forsaken Death Knights
 
*Aquatic Faceless one
 
*Chaos Orc
 
 
===Undead===
 
*[[Bone Giant]] (helmless if possible)
 
*Northrend Ghoul
 
*Spectral Horse
 
*Spectral Wolf
 
*Undead Goblin
 
 
===Beasts===
 
*Cataclysm [[Crocolisk]]
 
*[[Faceless one mount]]
 
*[[Summon Great Exarch's Elekk]]
 
*[[Sunwalker Kodo]]
 
*Cataclysm [[Raven]]
 
*[[Stormcrest eagle]]
 
 
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===Dragonkin===
 
*Azure Dragon (Azuregos or Malygos)
 
*Azure dragonspawn
 
*Azure dragonwhelp
 
*Azure drakonid
 
 
===Elementals/Contructs===
 
*[[Ancient of Arcane]]
 
*All WC3 ancients
 
*[[Dark Phoenix Hatchling]]
 
*[[Elementium]] [[Elemental ascendant]]
 
 
===Giants===
 
*Mineral Giant
 
*<span title="Orange-browney rock with green mint moss" {{#ifeq:yes|no||style="border-bottom:2px dotted"}} class="help">[[Hill giant]]</span>
 
 
|valign="top" width="25%"|
 
===Mechanical/Animated objects===
 
*[[Crashin' Thrashin' Racer]]
 
*Gnome racer
 
*[[Gnomish Flame Turret]]
 
*[[Unholy Swords]]
 
*[[Unholy Axe]]
 
*[[Unholy Staff]]
 
*[[Clockwerk goblin]] - WC3
 
*Land Mine
 
*[[Boat]]
 
*[[Deeprun Tram]]
 
*[[Orb of Translocation]]
 
*[[Zeppelin]]
 
*Horde Caravan
 
*Uldum Watcher
 
*Big Bomb
 
*Horde Submarine
 
*Alliance Submarine
 
 
===Other===
 
*[[Tentacle of Isorath]]
 
|}
 
 
=== Removal replies ===
 
:''Please do not respond here, start a new section at the bottom if removal is disputed.''
 
 
;Removed: [[Raven]], [[Theradras]], [[Thunderaan]]
 
:Already exists , use {{RaceIconExt|Raven}}, {{RaceIconExt|Theradras}} and {{RaceIconExt|Thunderaan}}.
 
 
;Removed: [[Chaos orc]] and [[Incubus]]
 
: Have no graphics that can be used for icons.
 
 
;Removed: Cho'gall disciple, stormcrest eagle, and Aquatic Faceless one caster
 
:Use {{RaceIconExt|Ogre Male2}} for disciple, {{RaceIconExt|Eagle}} for eagle, and aquatic facelss one for the caster when it's made.
 
 
;Removed: Forsaken Death Knights, Troll Death Knights
 
:Undead DKs, are truly no different than current forsaken members and Troll dks have an equivalent icon. 05:44, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
 
::Re-Added Forsaken Deathknight (they have blue eyes). {{user|Ashbear160}} 21:44, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 
:::Hmm. Humans have blue, brown, green and gray eyes. I'm sure we need a seperate icon for each of those too. And hair colors. And skin colors. In fact, why don't we make a unique race icon for every person in the universe? --[[User:Varghedin|Varghedin]] ([[User talk:Varghedin|talk]]) 18:50, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 
::::Death Knight =/= normal race.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 19:27, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 
 
;Removed: Suppression turret, [[X-51 Nether-Rocket X-TREME]] / Jewelcrating Boar
 
:Already exists → {{RaceIconExt|CannonGoblin}}, {{RaceIconExt|Rocket}} / No distinct look -- 04:03, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
;Removed: Mechanical Gorilla, [[Void Reaver]], [[Horde Siege Tank]]
 
:Already exists → {{RaceIconExt|GorillaMech}}{{RaceIconExt|FelReaver}}{{RaceIconExt|Demolisher}} -- 23:41, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
;Removed: [[Phoenix Hatchling]] / [[Baby Blizzard Bear]]
 
:Can use {{RaceIconExt|Phoenix}}. / It's a bear, use {{RaceIconExt|Bear}}.
 
 
;Removed: Onyxian whelpling and Onyxian Drake / Rusted Proto drake
 
:Maybe if more than 1 occurrence existed, but as these are ''very'' special, {{RaceIconExt|WhelpBlack}} {{RaceIconExt|DrakeBlack}} / Already exists → {{RaceIconExt|ProtoRusted}} -- 19:49, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
;Removed: [[Mur'ghoul]] and [[Mutant murloc]] - WC3 / [[Angel]]
 
:Difference in look from normal murlocs does not exist. / Angels can use {{RaceIconExt|SpiritHealer}} -- 19:48, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
;Removed: Female [[Dragonspawn]] (dragonspawn casters are female) / [[Storm giant]]( From Howling fjord in northrend)
 
:Says who? That's like saying Quilboar casters are all female. / Already exists. → {{RaceIconExt|StormGiant}} -- 02:22, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
 
::I didn't know males did have BOOBS... this should be re-added, imo, their head-shape is pretty different.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 19:30, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 
:::It was asked all disputes be brought up in a new section. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 23:24, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 
 
;Removed: [[Mechanical Yeti]], [[Mechanical Greench]], and [[Lifelike Mechanical Toad]].
 
:They have no distinct look from the actual creatures they portray. -- 21:59, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
;Removed: [[Felboar]] and [[Mage Slayer]]
 
:Felboar can use {{RaceIconExt|Helboar}} and Mage slayer can use {{RaceIconExt|Darkhound}}. Otherwise, no distinct look. -- 22:13, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
<!--Trying to keep things clean and organized, these sections are getting all over the place. Please make a new post at the bottom to dispute removals.-->
 
 
=== Completed requests ===
 
{{col-begin}}
 
{{col-auto}}<s>
 
*{{RaceIconExt|Tol'vir}}[[Tol'vir]]
 
*{{RaceIconExt|Ramkahen}}[[Ramkahen]]
 
*{{RaceIconExt|CelestialSteed}}[[Celestial Steed]]
 
*{{RaceIconExt|GoldenKing}}[[Reins of the Golden King]]
 
*{{RaceIconExt|Kor'kronAnnihilator}}[[Reins of the Kor'kron Annihilator]]
 
*{{RaceIconExt|WaterLord}}[[Neptulon]] Water lord
 
*{{RaceIconExt|Mimiron'sHead}}[[Mimiron's Head]]
 
*{{RaceIconExt|GuardianofAncientKings}}[[Guardian of Ancient Kings]]
 
*{{RaceIconExt|Sunflower}}[[Brazie's Sunflower Seeds]] Sunflower
 
*{{RaceIconExt|AirLord}}[[Al'akir]] Air lord</s>
 
{{col-auto}}<s>
 
*{{RaceIconExt|Hand}}Crawling hand
 
*{{RaceIconExt|DrakeStone}}Deepholme Drake
 
*{{RaceIconExt|DrakeStorm}}Skywall Dragon
 
*{{RaceIconExt|MercilessOne}}[[Merciless one]]
 
*{{RaceIconExt|Cannon}}[[Blockade Cannon]] (normal cannon)
 
*{{RaceIconExt|TargetDummy}}[[Target Dummy]] - [[Love Fool]]
 
*{{RaceIconExt|Tiki}}[[Enchanted Tiki Dervish]]
 
*{{RaceIcon|Aesir|Male}}{{RaceIcon|Aesir|Female}}[[Aesir]]
 
*{{RaceIcon|Titan|Male}}{{RaceIcon|Titan|Female}}[[Vanir]]
 
*{{RaceIconExt|Unicorn}}[[Unicorn]]
 
*{{RaceIconExt|CannonBrass}}[[Alliance Gunship Cannon]] (brass cannon)
 
*{{RaceIconExt|TitanOrb}}Titan [[Databank]] (titan orb)
 
*{{RaceIconExt|CannonFlak}}[[Horde Gunship Cannon]] (flak cannon)
 
*{{RaceIconExt|SiegeTurret}}Flame turret (siege turret)
 
*{{RaceIconExt|CannonFel}}[[Fel cannon]]</s>
 
{{col-auto}}<s>
 
*{{RaceIconExt|DrakonidNether}}Nether drakonid
 
*{{RaceIconExt|Eel}}[[Eel]]
 
*{{RaceIconExt|CoreHoundPup}}[[Core Hound Pup]]
 
*{{RaceIconExt|FelDragon}}[[Fel dragon]]
 
*{{RaceIconExt|Caribou}}[[Reindeer]]
 
*{{RaceIconExt|Murloc Baby}}[[Baby Murloc]]
 
*{{RaceIcon|HumanDeathKnight|Male}}{{RaceIcon|HumanDeathKnight|Female}}3rd generation [[Death Knight]]
 
*{{RaceIconExt|Sporelok}}[[Sporelok]]
 
*{{RaceIconExt|DireFurbolg}}[[Polar furbolg]]
 
*{{RaceIconExt|ChickenMech}}[[Mechanical Chicken]]
 
*{{RaceIconExt|SquirrelMech}}[[Mechanical Squirrel]]
 
*{{RaceIconExt|SheepMech}}[[Explosive Sheep]]
 
*{{RaceIconExt|FelFireLord}}[[Cyrukh the Firelord|Fel giant (Entropic/Fel Molten giant)]]
 
 
{{col-end}}
 
 
==Latest Update List==
 
A list of new models from latest update, which is ''Cataclysm'':
 
 
{{Col-begin}}
 
{{Col-auto}}
 
*Elemental<s>
 
**{{RaceIconExt|DarkPhoenix}} Dark Phoenix</s>
 
***{{RaceIconExt|}} Dark Phoenix Hatchling
 
**<s>{{RaceIconExt|DwarfGolem}} Dwarven Golem
 
**{{RaceIconExt|Gyreworm}} RingWorm
 
**{{RaceIconExt|ShaleSpider}} Shale Spider
 
**{{RaceIconExt|Geode}} Geode
 
**{{RaceIconExt|Djinni}} Djinni
 
**{{RaceIconExt|CarnivorousPlant}} Carnivorous plant
 
**{{RaceIconExt|Spitter}} Spitter
 
**{{RaceIconExt|Sludge}} Greater Slime
 
**{{RaceIconExt|MercuryOoze}} Mercury ooze
 
**Bound Elemental
 
***{{RaceIconExt|BoundAir}} Air
 
***{{RaceIconExt|BoundEarth}} Earth
 
***{{RaceIconExt|BoundFire}} Fire
 
***{{RaceIconExt|BoundWater}} Water
 
**Unbound
 
***{{RaceIconExt|UnboundAir}} Air
 
***{{RaceIconExt|UnboundEarth}} Earth
 
***{{RaceIconExt|UnboundFire}} Fire
 
***{{RaceIconExt|UnboundWater}} Water
 
***{{RaceIconExt|UnboundMercury}} Mercury
 
**Twilight Ascendant
 
***{{RaceIconExt|AscendantFire}} Fire
 
***{{RaceIconExt|AscendantAir}} Air
 
***{{RaceIconExt|AscendantEarth}} Earth
 
***{{RaceIconExt|AscendantWater}} Water</s>
 
***{{RaceIconExt|}} Elementium
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Sunflower
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Water lord
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Air lord
 
*Dragonkin<s>
 
**{{RaceIconExt|DrakonidTwilight}} Twilight Drakonid
 
**{{RaceIconExt|SpawnTwilight}} Twilight dragonspawn
 
**{{RaceIconExt|Dragonman}} Dragonman</s>
 
***{{RaceIconExt|}} Green
 
***{{RaceIconExt|}} Black
 
***{{RaceIconExt|}} Blue
 
***{{RaceIconExt|}} Red
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Deepholme Drake
 
***{{RaceIconExt|}}Phosphorescent Drake
 
***{{RaceIconExt|}}Volcanic Drake
 
***{{RaceIconExt|}}Vitreous Drake
 
***{{RaceIconExt|}}Sandstone Drake
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Skywall Dragon
 
***{{RaceIconExt|}}North Wind
 
***{{RaceIconExt|}}South Wind
 
***{{RaceIconExt|}}East Wind
 
***{{RaceIconExt|}}West Wind
 
 
{{Col-auto}}
 
*Beast<s>
 
**{{RaceIconExt|Remora}} Giant Remora
 
**{{RaceIconExt|Mastiff}} Mastiff
 
**{{RaceIconExt|Fox}} Mist fox
 
**{{RaceIconExt|Monkey}} Monkey
 
**{{RaceIconExt|Shark2}} Cataclysm Shark
 
**{{RaceIconExt|SandCrab}} Deep sea Crabs
 
**{{RaceIconExt|SeaTurtle}} Deep sea Turtle
 
**{{RaceIconExt|Grouper}} Grouper
 
**{{RaceIconExt|Leviathan}} Leviathan
 
**{{RaceIconExt|Eel}} Monstrous Eel
 
**{{RaceIconExt|Puffer}} Puffer fish
 
**{{RaceIconExt|SeaSnake}} Sea Serpent
 
**{{RaceIconExt|Seahorse}} Sea horse
 
**{{RaceIconExt|Snail}} Snail
 
**{{RaceIconExt|Stingray}} Sting Ray
 
**{{RaceIconExt|Thresher}} Thresher shark
 
**{{RaceIconExt|WhaleShark}} Whale Shark
 
**{{RaceIconExt|BushChicken}} Bush Chicken
 
**{{RaceIconExt|Camel}} Camel
 
**{{RaceIconExt|Seagull}} Seagull
 
**{{RaceIconExt|Armadillo}} Armadillo
 
**{{RaceIconExt|TurtleFire}} Volcanoth
 
**{{RaceIconExt|LavaWorm}} Lava Worm</s>
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Cataclysm Crocolisk
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Raven
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Merciless ones
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Faceless one mount
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Exarch Ellek
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Sunwalker Kodo
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Golden King
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Kron'khar annhiliator
 
{{Col-auto}}
 
*Humanoid<s>
 
**{{RaceIconExt|StoneTrogg}} Stone Trogg
 
**{{RaceIconExt|DeepSeaMurloc}} Deepsea Murloc
 
**{{RaceIconExt|Gilgoblin}} Gilgoblin
 
**{{RaceIconExt|Hobgoblin}} Hobgoblin
 
**{{RaceIconExt|Pygmy}} Pygmy
 
**Orc
 
***{{RaceIcon|Dragonmaw|Male}}{{RaceIcon|Dragonmaw|Female}} Dragonmaw orc
 
***{{RaceIconExt|DireOrc}} Green dire orc</s>
 
***{{RaceIconExt|}} Chaos orc
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Aquatic Faceless one
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Aquatic Faceless one caster
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Cho'gall disciple
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Tol'vir
 
***{{RaceIconExt|}} Grey
 
***{{RaceIconExt|}} Blue
 
***{{RaceIconExt|}} Green
 
***{{RaceIconExt|}} Black
 
***{{RaceIconExt|}} Red
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Ramhaken
 
***{{RaceIconExt|}} Desert
 
***{{RaceIconExt|}} Jaguar
 
***{{RaceIconExt|}} Panther
 
***{{RaceIconExt|}} Puma
 
***{{RaceIconExt|}} Tiger
 
*Mechanical<s>
 
**{{RaceIconExt|StageCoach}} Gilnean stagecoach
 
**{{RaceIconExt|Balloon}} Goblin Air Ballon
 
**{{RaceIconExt|HotRod}} Goblin Hot Rod
 
**{{RaceIconExt|RiverBoat}} Goblin Riverboat
 
**{{RaceIconExt|RabbitMech}} Mechanical Rabbit
 
**{{RaceIconExt|Trike}} Trike</s>
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Horde Caravan
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Uldum Watcher
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Big Bomb
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Horde Submarine
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Alliance Submarine
 
*Undead<s>
 
**{{RaceIconExt|SkeletalRaptor}} Skeleton Raptor</s>
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Fire Bone Wraith
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Undead Black Dragon
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Crawling hand
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Spectral Horse
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Spectral Wolf
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Undead Goblin
 
*Giant<s>
 
**{{RaceIconExt|Ettin}} Ettin</s>
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Mercurial Giant
 
*Uncategorized
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Angel
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} Bubble
 
**{{RaceIconExt|}} New tentacle
 
{{Col-end}}
 
 
==Cataclysm Icons==
 
When can we start asking for cataclysm icons? when it releases accordying to assumptions we already have a ettin model(it's a two headed giant with a roof as a shoulder--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 00:48, May 7, 2010 (UTC))
 
 
:Don't request any icons until it's at least in beta. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 00:52, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
::Of course :P--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 00:53, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:::I made a column just for cataclysm beta because these things might change a lot and some are upgrades to other icons--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 01:04, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:hmm...... {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 01:05, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
::We already have the models of all of those(at least mmo champion shows them) adding a few more for the sake of completness--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 01:19, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:::MMO champion show things you are not supposed to know exist, as hard as it can be, you must forget this website when editing wowwiki :)
 
:::{{User:A'noob/sig}} 07:08, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
==Female dragonspawn==
 
Why was this removed?
 
 
If I'm not blind, dragonspawn casters have '''breasts'''. If that doesn't make you female enough, I don't know what does.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 11:21, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:There was a reason written, anyway ask coobra he's the one taking care of this area--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 11:58, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
::Aye, I have noticed the breasts... but I personally don't see the use in clarifying the different genders, when Blizzard themselves doesn't even state genders of the dragonspawn. And it's just a model, just seems weird that all casters are female and all brutes and higher ranks are males. Not to mention the racial icons won't show the breasts and will appear almost exactly the same as the current "male" one. But I'll make an example icon, upload, and then compare... soonish. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 18:12, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:::Well, they have a smaller face, and they have hoods, too. I think having them is nice, and the icons are going to be used sure. We did the same with the quilboars some time ago, and the result was nice.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 18:23, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
==Death knights of each race==
 
I think we need icons for each race. Right now, we only have for humans and orcs (and they should be updated).
 
 
For the tauren one, we could recycle Trag Highmountain.
 
 
I would create them myself, but my WoWModelViewer doesn't work properly with textures.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 11:27, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:I think it was because it was too much work, again ask coobra--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 11:59, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
::Personally after making the orc and then human versions, I wasn't happy with them, so I stopped. Now if someone else wants to pick up the reins on this, that's fine. But don't just upload anything, it should at least be presentable, clean, and easy to identify. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 18:07, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:::I think we should avoid picture-icons, and use model shots. I think you'd have gotten a better result if you had taken screenshots instead of recoloring the existing icons :S.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 18:29, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:Ok, I made improvements to the human and orc versions, tell me what you think. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 06:05, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
::I have to say, at first sight, I believe the orc were ghouls!
 
::{{User:A'noob/sig}} 07:01, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:::Oh-my-god. They're simply AWESOME. You made them yourself, or you took screenshots? I love them, man, seriously. Great work, and looking forward the other races if you decide to make more.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 10:15, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:Yes these are a vast improved over the old ones, i would love to see the other 16 icons, but that would be to much of a hassle--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 16:02, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
::Will it be useful anyway to have one of each?
 
::{{User:A'noob/sig}} 16:07, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:::Of course yes, we have NPCs and important characters in-game that are death knights from all the races. Using normal icons for them is, well, wrong. They're a different "race", anyway.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 16:24, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:Well, I'm happy you all liked them. =) I don't know about all races (I might do them all in the end), but I did notice on the list of DKs, that at least gnome, tauren, troll, and draenei would be nice to have. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 20:16, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
::Though we could just use {{RaceIcon|UndeadTroll|Male}}{{RaceIcon|UndeadTroll|Female}} for the trolls... great power out, damn storm... {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 21:26, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:::I have no problem but i want to avoid repetition if those were used for regular undead trolls--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 21:37, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
===Tauren death knight icons===
 
So, for those who didn't notice, Coobra updated these icons: {{RaceIcon|TaurenDeathKnight|Male}} and {{RaceIcon|TaurenDeathKnight|Female}}.
 
 
I think they are great, but I think they need a bit more "zoom". I think they would work better if the "photo" was taken from further. See {{RaceIconExt|Trag}}.
 
 
Just my opinion ;).--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 08:02, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 
:Perhaps.. Beast-like humanoids can be a tad annoying to make icons for. Shoulders and such always tend to get in the way. I zoomed out a little... can't say I'm completely happy with the results.. I might start over on the tauren. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 20:54, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
===Blood elf DKs===
 
I was thinking of moving {{RaceIcon|UndeadElf|Female}}{{t|RaceIcon|UndeadElf|Female}} to {{t|RaceIcon|DarkRanger}} since it seems the only models to use that skin are dark rangers, then make a similar one for DKs... however, then I remembered [[Bloodrose Datura]]. She used the red eye version... So, question. Do you think we should just use this icon for the DKs or go ahead with what I was thinking? {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 22:31, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:Hmm, getting reports her eyes are no longer red, but blue like the rest of the DKs... Can anyone confirm this? {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 22:34, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
::Eyes are blue now according to wowhead, in my opinion you should make a new one for blood elf and leave undead elf as it is--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 22:58, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:::Undead elf is just like human cultist, leave it as it is, and make new ones for death knights. After all, those icons are already used for darkfallen and dark rangers.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 10:40, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
===Forsaken Deathknights===
 
Coobra i don't want to be mean but don't the forsaken deathknights have a paler skin and blue eyes than normal forsaken, like for example in this skin,[http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/Maiev/Ab/] i'm okay with the troll death knights since it has blue eyes, but i'd prefer if you or anyone that wanted do it change the forsaken death knight, so i'm going to put it back on the list.--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 21:42, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 
:If someone wants to, that's fine, but I'm not going to make a new icon for just eye color difference. To me it's pointless. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 22:54, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 
::Ok if i was able i would do it but alas i'm not--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 13:13, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
==Cataclysm List==
 
A list of new models from cataclysm:
 
Transfred to the beginning of the page
 
 
Some of these might be datamined(if admins have problems tell me and i remove them each one that is datamined), also mind that this is not request list, but a list to show what new models are there, so the icon makers (sadly i'm not one of them) to know what new races are out there--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 00:43, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:Tol'vir added, they're still not in-game, but they'll be soon :).--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 17:57, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 
::List updated--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 15:01, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
 
:::List reupdated--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 14:34, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
 
:::Added icons for existing ones, and those that are marked with {{RaceIconExt|}} is used as a subsitute of the image to make it easier for when someone wants to add the image--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 22:27, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
 
::::I've made a lot of icons, but I will not upload them till they've been seen in-game. Seems many of these are datamined, but I'm going to let it slide for now. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 03:29, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
 
::::Well i said there would be datamined in here because i'm not in Beta, I've known for a fact that some of these are already in beta like bound elementals in ambermill and such, anyway i have two questions:
 
:::-For the deep sea turtle did you use the Tortolla model? because that would be a slight problem.EDIT: you didn't use it seems the colouring is just very similar, my bad...
 
:::-When i added waterlord to the list i was requesting a new icon based on the new ingame model, it seems that this is the old photoshopped picture so i'm going to remove it because this is a list for cataclysm models, if you don't mind, the new model is also not datamined.
 
::::Thanks--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 12:31, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
 
::Added angel and twilight ascendant earth--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 20:48, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
 
:Coobra can you tell me which models you have done, that you think are datamined, so i can scratch them from the list so nobody else does repeats?--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 10:59, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
 
::At this point, I'm not completely clear what has been officially seen or not, but it doesn't matter... don't think anyone else is making icons. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 03:33, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
 
:::I know of some that have been seen that are not on the list trough--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 09:30, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
 
::::Go ahead and add them. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 22:34, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
 
:::::I trid to make the icons but they were horrible :S--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 23:22, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
 
:Added types of elemental drake--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 20:29, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
What is meant by Big Bomb? The bomb inside alliance gunships? {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 23:15, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 
:The Bomb that is dropped in stonetalon mountains on the druid city, also the reason i added to teh cataclysm list is because we have the fire lord, air lord, and earth lord that are used only once for a character, so do we add water lord to this list or we remove all lords from this list and put in the other?--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 23:49, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 
::Added two deephome drakes and the scorpion guild mount--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 19:59, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
 
:::Added Mercury Unbound elemental(at least i think it's unbound it's grouped with unbound elementals)
 
:::Added 4 from the newest beta patch--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 22:37, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
And so you're going to keep adding "races" that aren't actually races? --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 22:46, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
The list is now easier to see which aren't complete
 
Also added the dragonman colours that were on the youtube video showing it--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 14:40, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:All the mercury ooze creatures are technically elementals. Only reason I gave them their own icon. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 23:10, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
 
::... Well we don't know that, Oozes are weird and have strange qualities, if consumption of them grants elemental ascension it's probably due to their relatedness with old gods among other strange things, i prefer if we keep thing together oozes with oozes at least until we have more information--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 23:27, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:::No I mean, every creature using the mercury ooze model is classified as an elemental, whereas mostly all other oozes are unclassified. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 23:30, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
 
::::I didn't mean the ingame classification i meant the whole mercury vibe blizzard is giving, as mercury is not a traditional classical element but more of a atomic element so he might turn to be like Murmur or some other weird explination--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 23:37, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:::::True... doubt we'll get an answer though... seems we don't get much background/lore on new creatures anymore... {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 23:46, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
::::::If we don't i'll ask when the dev questions come after the cataclysm release(i meant i will ask someone on scrolls of lore to post it on wow story forums)--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 23:49, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Non-races ==
 
 
Removed vehicles and other things that, in fact, aren't races. --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 22:45, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 
:i'm going to undo it because this is a project page(this is only here to help edit and not exactly to direct people) and it's designed to put icons based on creature models, wherever they are not races or not that's a problem with the title and not with the content--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 23:44, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 
:In fact the article has this written "The term "race" is used in a very broad sense." this page is a guide to the small icons not a list for someone to check for races--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 23:52, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
::They still aren't races. If it's going to be about ''creature'' icons, then it should renamed. --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 23:49, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 
:::Talk to coobra he's the one that i ask when i have doubts about this page and he does most of the icons, so yeah check with him but for now i suggest to let it be so it does not create needless confusion--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 23:52, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 
::::But if you're in a hurry i assume Creature would be more correct than Race, and i would prefer to creature so it's less confusing, just don't remove the icons, please--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 00:01, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
==About the moving (from race to creature)==
 
I think "List of race icons" was better, just because:
 
*Race, no matter being incorrect, is more used than creature to define diferent species
 
*The two template for the icons are called RaceIcon and Race
 
I think it was better like before. If I've missed any discussion around this, please link it to me, since I can't find it anywhere :S.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 09:27, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 
:It was because mechanical things wouldn't fit, and creatures fit everything, also those 2 don't matter it's not like you'll see them unless you edit...--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 10:55, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
::It still doesn't make sense. Race was fine, imo.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 14:50, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
 
:::Gourra didn't agree and after pointed out i too don't agree--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 20:36, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
::::I still think it doesn't make sense... this is a list of "RaceIcon", and the same way you don't call mechanical stuff races, you don't call them creatures, either.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 09:04, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:Because the term race is usually used to reference sapient beings while the term creature sentient beings--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 10:53, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
==Tiny change in the elemental category==
 
I'm going to change a small part of the four main elemental template, instead of using it by alphabet, it would be by rank however i'll explain better later--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 12:15, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 
:Well the idea is this instead of doing by alphabet, we put first by ranks, like the word Fire in fire elemental is the first letter of the alphabet in that category i'll make a small example on how it would go:
 
*Element
 
**Elemental
 
**Unbound
 
**Bound
 
**Revenant
 
**Lord
 
**Anything extra is below here by alphabet
 
what do you think?
 
Here is what would constitute the changes below:
 
 
*Air
 
**{{rl|RaceIconExt|Air}} [[Air elemental]]
 
***{{rl|RaceIconExt|BoundAir}} [[Bound air elemental]] {{cata-inline}}
 
***{{rl|RaceIconExt|UnboundAir}} [[Unbound air elemental]] {{cata-inline}}
 
**{{rl|RaceIconExt|AirLord}} [[Thunderaan|Air lord]]
 
**{{rl|RaceIconExt|RevenantAir}} [[Lightning revenant]] {{wotlk-inline}}
 
**{{rl|RaceIconExt|Djinni}} [[Djinni]] {{cata-inline}}
 
**{{rl|RaceIconExt|Mana}} [[Mana surge]]
 
***{{rl|RaceIconExt|ArcaneWraith}} [[Arcane wraith]] {{bc-inline}}
 
 
*Earth
 
**{{rl|RaceIconExt|Earth}} [[Earth elemental]]
 
***{{rl|RaceIconExt|BoundEarth}} [[Bound earth elemental]] {{cata-inline}}
 
***{{rl|RaceIconExt|UnboundEarth}} [[Unbound earth elemental]] {{cata-inline}}
 
**{{rl|RaceIconExt|EarthLord}} [[Therazane|Earth lord]]
 
**{{rl|RaceIconExt|RevenantEarth}} [[Earth revenant]] {{wotlk-inline}}
 
**{{rl|RaceIconExt|RevenantDeath}} [[Death revenant]] {{wotlk-inline}}
 
**{{rl|RaceIconExt|Geode}} [[Geode]] {{Cata-inline}}
 
**{{rl|RaceIconExt|Gyreworm}} [[Gyreworm]] {{Cata-inline}}
 
**{{rl|RaceIconExt|ShaleSpider}} [[Shale spider]] {{Cata-inline}}
 
 
*Fire
 
**{{rl|RaceIconExt|Fire}} [[Fire elemental]]
 
***{{rl|RaceIconExt|BoundFire}} [[Bound fire elemental]] {{cata-inline}}
 
***{{rl|RaceIconExt|UnboundFire}} [[Unbound fire elemental]] {{cata-inline}}
 
**{{rl|RaceIconExt|FireLord}} [[Ragnaros|Fire lord]]
 
**{{rl|RaceIconExt|RevenantFire}} [[Fire revenant]] {{wotlk-inline}}
 
**{{rl|RaceIconExt|Entropy}} [[Entropic beast]]
 
**{{rl|RaceIconExt|FelFireLord}} [[Cyrukh the Firelord|Fel Firelord]] {{bc-inline}}
 
**{{rl|RaceIconExt|Flamewaker}} [[Flamewaker]]
 
**{{rl|RaceIconExt|Phoenix}} [[Phoenix]] {{bc-inline}}
 
***{{rl|RaceIconExt|DarkPhoenix}} Dark Phoenix {{Cata-inline}}
 
 
*Water
 
**{{rl|RaceIconExt|Water}} [[Water elemental]]
 
***{{rl|RaceIconExt|BoundWater}} [[Bound water elemental]] {{cata-inline}}
 
***{{rl|RaceIconExt|UnboundWater}} [[Unbound water elemental]] {{cata-inline}}
 
**{{rl|RaceIconExt|RevenantWater}} [[Water revenant]] {{wotlk-inline}}
 
 
--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 13:45, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:If you want to do it by rank, you may want to check out the elemental hierarchy. Since we don't seem to have the table anywhere... I went and made one it's not a clean version, but it gets the job done for now... its at [[User:Coobra/sandbox7]]. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 20:53, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 
::It seems size may count for their rank among them... so if they were to be organized by rank, adding the new elementals in between the rest could essentially be done. And the lords should bottom the list. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 21:02, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 
:::It's not literally by rank just those that the only difference is the element they represent, but have examples in all four classical elements, Like having the word fire in the fire elemental section would be considered the first letter of the alphabet--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 21:21, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 
::::So can i change it to the example above?changed it slightly, now it's by alphabetic orderbut considers things that have examples in the other element has first letter of the alphabet --[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 10:41, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:::::Sure. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 20:47, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
 
:Thanks--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 22:17, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
==Regarding the Tol'vir==
 
Regarding the Tolvir, do we really need to have icon for each color? Just asking, but we neither have icon for each color of humans hair. [[User:Neutralion|Neutralion]] ([[User talk:Neutralion|talk]]) 17:24, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
 
:I added all skins because they represented different skins very differently, but i also added the green square before tol'vir if somebody just wants to do one icon instead of all of them i also added this to ramhaken, dragonman, skywall and deepholm drake--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 19:15, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
==Changes to icons==
 
I have noticed icons have been slightly edited. Someone has added a line of "brown2 pixles above their heads. See here:
 
*[[:File:IconSmall HumanDeathKnight Male.gif]]
 
I'm not sure if they look better this way... opinions?--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 14:21, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:The user went through many icons making them similar to how the main races are.... I'm waiting to see how the public views it... though if he doesn't finish them, I might just revert just to have a standard look. Cause I know many icons I made don't take in account for the loss of details due to a "button" feel to them. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 01:38, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 
 
::I would say remove the buttons, because they are very small images and we cannot afford to loose 2 pixels for something purely cosmetical instead of more details.
 
::{{User:A'noob/sig}} 08:04, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:::It wouldn't mind however, it's much lighter than the other buttons so it kinda looks bad, if it was on a much darker colour like the original buttons i wouldn't have minded at all, just look at the playable orc button to see what i mean, compare the difference between male and female--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 13:22, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 
 
So I'm hearing a dislike to the changes being done to the icons then? If no one objects we can start reverting them back... I'll check back for objections in about a week, if any. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 02:35, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:First, hello eveyone, the reason why I edit the icons is that I think that now looks better, also for the look-a-like with the principal icons, but if you wanna change it, do it, for me it′s fine. -- [[User:Kandooww|Kandooww]] 20:49, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:I like the new look of the icons. --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 20:19, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 
 
::I think the colour is too light compared to the rest of the button and much lighter than the original buttons, make it more like the original ones and i have no problem--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 20:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:::I've always been of the opinion that we should replace all the "art" icons for "model" icons, but well. I liked the original ones more :(.
 
:::And yeah, I'm with A'noob regarding the loss of pixels.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 10:33, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 
 
==Over the Top==
 
As one of the pioneers among race icon makes, I really think some of these requests are out of hand. We do not need a race icon for every single skin color or eye color or class of the creature. The icons are supposed to be a representative image of a creature of that race, no matter if they're brown or green or a mage or a warrior or have spiky hair or a big nose or whatever. And some of the requests are outright silly. How can we make an icon of a race that's not represented anywhere graphically? The actually useful icon requests are being drowned in a huge pool of ones that don't make sense. --[[User:Varghedin|Varghedin]] ([[User talk:Varghedin|talk]]) 18:59, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:Specific examples? as for the death knights, I do believe we need them, because they are different from the normal state of their race. As for different colors for the same race, I think it's stupid.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 19:28, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 
 
::From the top, [[Hill giant]]s are either creatures with no art (the ED type) or just a brown mountain giant. [[Incubus]] had no art at all, and their entire existence is speculative. Forsaken death knights have blue eyes instead of yellow, big deal. Chaos orc? Where are those seen? Faceless one caster? Ok so we need a seperate icon just because they wear a robe? Cho'gall disciples are ogres. Yes they have an X on their chest, but that won't show up on the icon anyway. Ravens already have an icon. Stormcrest eagles are eagles. Yeah, they're white. But they're eagles. That's like making a different icon for brunette and blonde humans. Etc etc etc. I could remove them myself but it would probably look like an exorsim with almost half the list gone. --[[User:Varghedin|Varghedin]] ([[User talk:Varghedin|talk]]) 19:54, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:::Well, Hill giants "could" be included just because have icons for all the other giants, but well, not like they are any different...
 
:::I pretty much agree with you on everything, except on forsaken and troll death knights, because they're visually different, and not just "blue eyes", their skin is paler, too. I think they deserve an opportunity :S.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 21:20, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 
 
::::I heavily agree with Varghedin, it's why I've been ignoring much of the list. But it seems an argument would start every time I removed a request... so I just started leaving things there to forever remain, cause I know I wasn't going to make them. I've tried to accommodate a few of the somewhat silly icon requests, but it has gotten out of hand.... why is there a request for ships, zeps, and subs? As far as I know, players don't physically control them as vehicles, and used on [[Vehicles by zone]], which is why I've been making vehicle icons, specifically for that page. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 23:18, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:Well i can tell some whys
 
::Forsaken Deathknights shouldn't be a exception
 
::Chaos orcs are in the dark portal in cataclysm
 
::Ravens, Crocolisk, air lord and water lord are supposed to be made on the updated models from cataclysm
 
::Cho'gal disciple i put it there because it was a new model and if someone made the human cultist model here(which is pretty much the same thing)they probably wouldn't mind making one about ogres(also didn't readd)
 
::Faceless one caster was just the name we gave it, it's not about the robes, it's the huge mask and the different number of tentacles(which is a lame excuse and didn't readd it)
 
::Stormcrest eagle i need for the alliance page because showing a white eagle as a brown icon looks wrong to me
 
::Hill giant is the only one without a icon so that's why i added it
 
::and removed things that didn't exist--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 00:44, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 

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Lordamere Internment Camp (Cataclysm)

Brazie Farmstead

The Brazie Farmstead is a residence that has been erected on the former location of the Lordamere Internment Camp. Brazie the Botanist resides here, and he requests the assistance of adventurers in defending his farm from attacks by Warden Stillwater of the nearby Sludge Fields.

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