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| − | Throughout the [[Warcraft Universe]] sources the term '''Azeroth''' is used to describe several things: |
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| − | *'''[[Azeroth (world)|The world of Azeroth]]'''<ref>''[[Warcraft II: Battle.net Edition]]'' manual, p.36 Quote:Thus, in the year 583, the first of Medivh’s unnatural Portals was opened between the world of Azeroth and the red world of the Orcs.</ref> - The name of the world in which the ''World of Warcraft'' takes place (save [[Outland]]).<ref name=WoWman104>''[[World of Warcraft]]'' manual, p. 104</ref> |
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| − | *'''[[Stormwind|The Kingdom of Azeroth]]'''<ref name=narration>{{ref game |title=Warcraft: Orcs & Humans |expansion= |campaign= |mission= |zone= |npc=Narrator |quote=The Kingdom of Azeroth was a prosperous one. |quest= }}</ref> - One of the [[Seven Kingdoms]] of [[human]]s, it is also called the Stormwind.<ref name=APG158161>''[[Alliance Player's Guide]]'', p. 158, 161</ref> |
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| − | *'''[[Azeroth (continent)|The continent of Azeroth]]'''<ref>''[[Warcraft II: Battle.net Edition]]'' manual, p.32 Quote:This dark perversion of the land is steadily spreading across the continent of Azeroth and threatens to consume the entire world.</ref> - One of the three continents that comprise the [[Eastern Kingdoms]].<ref name=WoWman104/> |
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| − | *'''[[Eastern Kingdoms]]''' - In some sources the term "Azeroth" is used interchangeable with Eastern Kingdoms.<ref>''[[Lands of Conflict]]'', p. 17 Quote:...the Arathi assured them the land would always belong to all peoples and named the land as a whole in homage to their ancient ancestors: Azeroth.<br />Together, the humans constructed the fortress city of Strom...</ref><ref>''[[Lands of Conflict]]'', p. 17 Quote:The envoy explained that long after the destruction wrought by the Maelstrom, some of the survivors had made their way to northern Azeroth and established a new kingdom, called Quel’Thalas, and a new source of magical power, called the Sunwell.</ref><ref>''[[World of Warcraft]]'' manual, p.106 Quote:There are no flight paths across the ocean linking Kalimdor and Azeroth.</ref><ref>{{ref web|url = http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/faq/world.html|title = World F.A.Q.|accessdate = 27-07-2009|author = [[Blizzard Entertainment Inc.]]|publisher = [[Blizzard Entertainment Inc.]]|language = English|quote = Currently, players can explore the lands of Azeroth, Kalimdor, and Outland.}}</ref><ref>[[Quest:Dark Council]] Quote:The Argus Wake might run deep through the continent of Azeroth.</ref><ref>''[[World of Warcraft: The Roleplaying Game]]'', p.362 Quote:On both Kalimdor and Azeroth, war and time have left much of the land in ruins, and civilization is often limited to the land enclosed inside city walls.</ref><ref>''[[Dark Factions]]'', p. 11 Quote:but they exist on coastlines throughout the world — Azeroth, Kalimdor, and Northrend all boast tribes of murlocs.</ref> |
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| − | *'''[[Azeroth (domain)]]'''<ref>''[[Warcraft II: Battle.net Edition]]'' manual, p. 66 Quote:''"Domain: Stormwind, Azeroth and Balor, Azeroth"''</ref> - A domain that was controlled by the [[Stormreaver clan]] during the [[Second War]]. |
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| − | ==Origins of the name== |
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| − | * The name of a world in the science fiction book ''Fires of Azeroth'' by C.J. Cherryh. Interestingly, some of the themes in this book and the trilogy it ends (namely of world-crossing "Gates") sound similar to those in Warcraft, and this book first was published in 1979, well before the first Warcraft game. |
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| − | *::There was a star Gate in Azeroth marked by alien fires that Morgaine must seal. But Morgaine and Vanye have brought devastation to the peaceful land. For the hordes of Shiuan were on their heels, determined to conquer a new land for themselves and to avenge their lost planet. |
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| − | *In Christian demonology, {{wplink|Astaroth}} is a Grand Duke of hell, and his name has obvious similarities to Azeroth. |
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| − | * In the book ''{{wikialink|narnia|The_Horse_and_His_Boy|The Horse and his Boy}}'' from ''{{wikialink|narnia|The_Chronicles_of_Narnia|The Chronicles of Narnia}}'' by C.S. Lewis, there is a character with the name of {{wikialink|narnia|Azaroth|''Az'''a'''roth''}}. He is referred to by Aravis Tarkheena, a daughter of noble birth, in the third chapter. |
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| − | * In the Bible, there are several places with names that sound similar to Azeroth, most notably {{wplink|Hazeroth}}. |
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| − | ==Warcraft: Orcs & Humans== |
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| − | In [[Warcraft: Orcs & Humans]] the term Azeroth refers to the kingdom in most cases,<ref name=narration/><ref>{{ref game |title=Warcraft: Orcs & Humans]]</ref> and in some it isn't mentioned that it is a kingdom, but a land.<ref>''[[Warcraft: Orcs & Humans]]'' human manual, p.34 Quote:...the most powerful entities to ever exist in the lands of Azeroth.</ref><ref>[[File:Stormwind2.jpg|35px]] Map of Azeroth</ref> In some cases it is indefinited if it is refering to a kingdom, land or world.<ref>''[[Warcraft: Orcs & Humans]]'' human manual, p.20 Quote:The traveler also informs King Llane that it was Medivh who was responsible for the coming of the Orcs to Azeroth.</ref><ref>''[[Warcraft: Orcs & Humans]]'' human manual, p.32 Quote:They roam the forbidden lands and forgotten realms of Azeroth, seeking to take their anguish out on the living.</ref><ref>''[[Warcraft: Orcs & Humans]]'' orc manual, p.20 Quote:To learn that the name of this place was Azeroth, and the inhabitants here were called Humans...</ref><ref>''[[Warcraft: Orcs & Humans]]'' orc manual, p.23 Quote:...then the energies of the underworld could destroy Azeroth.</ref> It can be implied that it is a world in only one quote.<ref>''[[Warcraft: Orcs & Humans]]'' human manual, p.34 Quote:There is rumored to be a gateway that appears every thirteenth full moon that bridges the gap between Azeroth and the underworld, and it is during these brief moments that the daemons can come to this place.</ref> |
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| − | In ''[[Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness]]'' in most cases it is referred as a kingdom.<ref>''[[Warcraft II: Battle.net Edition]]'' manual, p.28-29, 35-37, 39</ref> But is also referred as a continent<ref>''[[Warcraft II: Battle.net Edition]]'' manual, p.32, 66-67</ref><ref>''[[Warcraft II: Battle.net Edition]]'' manual, p.32 Quote:This dark perversion of the land is steadily spreading across the continent of Azeroth and threatens to consume the entire world.</ref><ref>{{ref game |title=Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness |expansion= |campaign=Human campaign |mission=[[Grim Batol (Warcraft II)]] |zone= |npc= |quote= |quest= }}</ref> and as a world.<ref>''[[Warcraft II: Battle.net Edition]]'' manual, p.36 Quote:Thus, in the year 583, the first of Medivh’s unnatural Portals was opened between the world of Azeroth and the red world of the Orcs.</ref><ref>''[[Warcraft II: Battle.net Edition]]'' manual, p.48, 81</ref><ref>{{ref game |title=Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness |expansion= |campaign=Orc campaign |mission=[[The Fall of Lordaeron]] |zone= |npc= |quote= |quest= }}</ref><ref>{{ref game |title=Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness |expansion= |campaign=Human campaign |mission=[[The Great Portal]] |zone= |npc= |quote= |quest= }}</ref> It is told that the it's both, a land and a continent in the [[Stormreaver clan]] section: It says that they occupy Stormwind, Azeroth and Balor in the continent of Azeroth.<ref>''[[Warcraft II: Battle.net Edition]]'' manual, p.66 Quote: Domain: Stormwind, Azeroth and Balor, Azeroth</ref> |
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| − | In ''[[Warcraft II: Beyond the Dark Portal]]'' is refered as both, a kingdom,<ref>''[[Warcraft II: Battle.net Edition]]'' manual, p.85, 87</ref> and a world.<ref>''[[Warcraft II: Battle.net Edition]]'' manual, p.86, 88-90</ref><ref>{{ref game |title=Warcraft II |expansion=[[Warcraft II: Beyond the Dark Portal|Beyond the Dark Portal]] |campaign=Orc campaign |mission=All missions refer to the world |zone= |npc= |quote= |quest= }}</ref><ref>{{ref game |title=Warcraft II |expansion=[[Warcraft II: Beyond the Dark Portal|Beyond the Dark Portal]] |campaign=Human campaign |mission=All missions refer to the world |zone= |npc= |quote= |quest= }}</ref> |
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| + | The old page had a title of "World of Warcraft universe guide - WoWWiki" which was much more search engine friendly. Can that be changed here? Portal:main just doesn't have the same feel. -=- <span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 1em;">[[Image:IconSmall_DrakeAzure.gif]] [[User:Drazisil|Drazisil]] [<sup>[[User talk:Drazisil|t]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Drazisil|c]]</sub>]</span> 04:03, 21 October 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | ===Reign of Chaos=== |
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| − | In ''[[Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos]]'' is referred as a kingdom,<ref>''[[Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos]]'' manual, p.3, 6-7, 10-11, 17</ref> as a land<ref>''[[Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos]]'' manual, p.3</ref> (continent<ref>[[File:Azerothwc3.JPG|30px]]</ref>) and as a world.<ref>''[[Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos]]'' manual, p.4, 18-20, 49</ref><ref>''[[Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos]]'' manual, p.33 Quote:Kil'jaeden cast Ner’zhul’s icy cask back into the world of Azeroth.</ref><ref>''[[Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos]]'' manual, p.47 Quote:Ten thousand years before the orcs and humans clashed in their First War, the world of Azeroth cradled only one massive continent surrounded by them infinite, raging seas.</ref> It is revealed that the world was called Azeroth by it's inhabitants.<ref>''[[Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos]]'' manual, p.79</ref> |
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| − | In ''[[Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne]]'' is referred as a world.<ref>''[[Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne]]'' manual, p.1</ref> |
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| + | I have yet to find something resembling a style guide for articles and information is doubled all over the place. If they do exist, they are very hard to find and very badly reinforced. For example on [[Priest]] there's a description of the talent trees, [[Priest talents]] has another description, [[Priest builds]] has yet another one... Pages like [[Priest talent analysis]] seem very hard to maintain and also very biased, is this Wiki supposed to have theory crafting? Wikis tend to be more factual and even if that article was up to date, the whole article would still be one big opinion. This problem isn't limited only to the Priest class. We should set a definite style guide for these articles and sub-articles and also decide on the ones that are worth keeping and delete the others that merely repeat the same information or give unnecessary details. If it is decided to keep things like Priest talent analysis, then someone needs to actively maintain it. I think some people aren't even aware that something like that exists, because you need to follow so many links to get to it. |
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| − | The term Azeroth is used to refer the world,<ref>''[[Warcraft: The Roleplaying Game]]'', pg. 14-15, 20, 26, 28, 33, 38, 51, 55, 125, 155, 180</ref><ref>''[[Manual of Monsters]]'', pg. 11, 26-27, 29-40, 48, 92, 112, 128, 132, 150, 184</ref><ref>''[[Shadows & Light]]'', pg. 9, 32-34, 37, 45, 50, 57-61, 67, 72, 76-80, 97-99, 116-117, 136-138, 154, 170</ref><ref>''[[Alliance & Horde Compendium]]'', pg. 9, 12, 22, 40, 66, 77</ref><ref>''[[Magic & Mayhem]]'', pg. 14-15, 22-24, 114, 116, 133-135, 155-156, 158, 163, </ref><ref>''[[Lands of Conflict]]'', p. 11, 16, 18, 20-25, 27, 29-32, 34, 36, 41, 71, 77, 90, 107, 123, 143, 160, 163, 176, 179, 184, 189, 195</ref> the kingdom<ref>''[[Shadows & Light]]'', p.41 Quote: Khadgar escaped to warn the '''King of Azeroth''' of the danger posed by the demon-souled mage, then returned to face Medivh in a final battle that defeated the demon magus but magically aged Khadgar from youth into middle age.</ref><ref>''[[Lands of Conflict]]'', p. 55 Quote:The Stormwind city guard patrols the streets and walls of the capitol of Azeroth, keeping the public safe.</ref> and the continent.<ref>''[[Shadows & Light]]'', p.44 Quote: Lothar, Uther the Lightbringer and Admiral Daelin Proudmoore led the Alliance forces to victory against the Horde and pushed the orcs back into Azeroth.</ref><ref>''[[Shadows & Light]]'', p.55 Quote: He, along with several other heroes, led the Alliance forces as they drove the orcs south into Azeroth and the Dark Portal, and finally defeated them entirely.</ref><ref>''[[Alliance & Horde Compendium]]'', pg. 62</ref><ref>''[[Lands of Conflict]]'', p. 17 Quote:The humans, on the other hand, spent centuries expanding their borders until the Empire of Arathor nearly covered Azeroth. As their lust for power pushed them to master the arts of magic they were learning from the elves, so did their lust for land pull them northward into the mountains.</ref><ref>''[[Lands of Conflict]]'', p. 11-12, 33, 40, 42-45, 47, 49, 51, 52, 54-59, 62, 68, 76, 78-79, 89, 101, 122, 151, 155-159, 168-169</ref> It is also used as an alternate name of the [[Eastern Kingdoms]].<ref name=LoC17q1>''[[Lands of Conflict]]'', p. 17 Quote:...the Arathi assured them the land would always belong to all peoples and named the land as a whole in homage to their ancient ancestors: Azeroth.<br />Together, the humans constructed the fortress city of Strom...</ref><ref name=LoC17q2>''[[Lands of Conflict]]'', p. 17 Quote:The envoy explained that long after the destruction wrought by the Maelstrom, some of the survivors had made their way to northern Azeroth and established a new kingdom, called Quel’Thalas, and a new source of magical power, called the Sunwell.</ref> |
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| + | *''Set up style guides'' for pages that contain similar information, like the class pages. |
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| − | In ''[[World of Warcraft]]'''s manual the term Azeroth is used to refer the world,<ref>''[[World of Warcraft]]'' manual, p.14-15, 28, 84, 109-110, 124, 157-158, 160, 162, 168, 171, 173, 180, 188</ref> but also used to refer one of the three continents that comprise the [[Eastern Kingdoms]]:<ref name=WoWman104/><ref>''[[World of Warcraft]]'' manual, p.106, 108, 186</ref> |
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| + | *''Reevaluate the usefulness and necessity'' of all the class related pages. |
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| + | *Ensure that ''articles are properly linked and easy to get to.'' |
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| + | This is hardly a one-man job and because it affects a lot of pages and information, I would like some community input on the matter. With Cataclysm being on its way and a lot of people editing the class data, things will only get worse if there's no style guide. If all these similar pages follow a similar layout, they will be easier to navigate and there will be no repeated information. I am confident this will greatly increase the Wiki's formality and coherence and hopefully set an example for other articles as well. These style guides can easily be expanded to other forms of articles, for example abilities/spells. |
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| − | ::''Throughout this manual and in the game itself, you will find the name Azeroth used in two different contexts. Azeroth is both the name of the world of Warcraft, and the name of one of the three continents that comprise the Eastern Kingdoms, the landmass opposite of Kalimdor on the world map. The other two continents of the Eastern Kingdoms are Loch Modan in the center and Lordaeron in the north. Sometimes you will see reference to Azeroth the world, and other times you will see reference to Azeroth the continent.''<ref name=WoWman104/> |
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| + | I am willing to write some of these style guides (which will basically just be a template of what goes where, allowing you to follow a pre-defined layout), but I can't do them all and I certainly can't enforce them on my own. The name "style guide" might not be entirely correct, it's more like a format guide of sorts. This will also make future updates in WoW ''much'' easier to integrate on the Wiki, because at the moment we need to change the same thing 10 times, because everything is duplicated somewhere, or scattered over a page. [[User:Zilana|Zilana]] ([[User talk:Zilana|talk]]) 11:34, 28 October 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | Although it's stated that there are two terms, there appears to be another use of the term Azeroth: an alternate name of the [[Eastern Kingdoms]].<ref>''[[World of Warcraft]]'' manual, p.106 Quote:There are no flight paths across the ocean linking Kalimdor and Azeroth.</ref><ref>{{ref web|url = http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/faq/world.html|title = World F.A.Q.|accessdate = 27-07-2009|author = [[Blizzard Entertainment Inc.]]|publisher = [[Blizzard Entertainment Inc.]]|language = English|quote = Currently, players can explore the lands of Azeroth, Kalimdor, and Outland.}}</ref> This use is also used in ''[[Lands of Conflict]]''<ref name=LoC17q1/><ref name=LoC17q2/> and in an in-game quest.<ref>[[Quest:Dark Council]] Quote:The Argus Wake might run deep through the continent of Azeroth.</ref> |
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| + | :I definitely agree some pages should be consolidated. I never understood the need for, for example, [[Priest tactics]], when all the tactics should be covered in [[Priest PvE guide]] or [[Priest PvP guide]]. I do, however, see the need to keep separate [[Priest talents]] from [[Priest talent analysis]] (and same pages for other classes). The first should be a very brief listing with links to all the talents, with in-depth info kept separate for those who want it. --[[User:Grynd|Grynd]] ([[User talk:Grynd|talk]]) 05:33, 29 October 2010 (UTC) |
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| − | It is used to refer the world,<ref>''[[World of Warcraft: The Roleplaying Game]]'', p.5-7, 9, 11-13, 22-24, 30-31, 41, 45, 53, 57, 60, 70, 88, 171-172, 177-178, 250, 360, 363, 368, 373, 376</ref><ref>''[[More Magic & Mayhem]]'', p. 4, 12, 14, 16, 20, 23-24, 45, 47, 104, 120, 122, 152, 154-155, 184</ref><ref>''[[Lands of Mystery]]'', p. 5, 17, 19, 26, 30, 42, 62, 65, 71, 75-76, 106, 112, 134, 170, 183, 187</ref><ref>''[[Alliance Player's Guide]]'', p. 6, 25, 31, 42, 68, 75-76, 79, 100, 122, 124, 129, 132-133, 136, 144, 151, 153-154, 157, 160-161, 229</ref><ref>''[[Horde Player's Guide]]'', p. 4, 6, 8-9, 17, 19, 26-27, 38, 54, 78, 80-81, 86, , 99, 107, 113, 120, 132-135, 137, 154, 156-157, 169, 172, 181, 191, 212, 242</ref><ref>''[[Monster Guide]]'', p. 5-6, 25, 37-39, 44, 50-51, 65, 80, 116, 146, 166, 189</ref><ref>''[[Monster Guide Web Supplement]]'', p. 3, 6, 22, 28</ref><ref>''[[Dark Factions]]'', p. 4, 6, 10, 12-13, 16, 28-31, 40-42, 61, 72, 85, 89, 101, 116, , 126, 133-134, 148, 178, 180, 215</ref> a continent<ref>''[[World of Warcraft: The Roleplaying Game]]'', p.9, 12-13, 16-17, 21, 44, 165-166, 173, 248, 364, 373</ref><ref>''[[Lands of Mystery]]'', p. 30, 80, 132, 180, 188</ref><ref>''[[Alliance Player's Guide]]'', p. 158, 161, 162</ref><ref>''[[Monster Guide]]'', p. 82</ref><ref>''[[Dark Factions]]'', p. 136, 150</ref> and a country/kingdom.<ref name=APG158161/> It appears that Azeroth is also used interchangeable with [[Eastern Kingdoms]].<ref>''[[World of Warcraft: The Roleplaying Game]]'', p.362 Quote:On both Kalimdor and Azeroth, war and time have left much of the land in ruins, and civilization is often limited to the land enclosed inside city walls.</ref><ref>''[[Dark Factions]]'', p. 11 Quote:but they exist on coastlines throughout the world — Azeroth, Kalimdor, and Northrend all boast tribes of murlocs.</ref> |
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| + | -- [[User:Arugal|Arugal]] ([[User talk:Arugal|talk]]) 22:54, 24 November 2010 (UTC) |
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| + | While I realize that most of your community are established players interested in the latest changes, I think a link to the newbie guide would be a good edition for the main page. This would help new players a lot and might expand your community. |
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| + | And perhaps call the link something more friendly than "Newbie Guide". Perhaps something like, "For new players". |
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| + | [[User:Tulonsae|Tulonsae]] ([[User talk:Tulonsae|talk]]) 00:48, 14 December 2010 (UTC) |
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| + | :I don't know how 'newbie guide' is unfriendly. If it was called 'noobs guide' then maybe, but newbie isn't an offensive term :P But I do agree a link there would be nice for newer peeps. Also, what happened to the featured article section? The homepage looks quite bare right now with lack of images. :c --[[User:Grynd|Grynd]] ([[User talk:Grynd|talk]]) 05:57, 14 December 2010 (UTC) |
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| + | == Ramkahen Missing from Cataclysm Factions == |
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| + | [[Ramkahen]] are missing from the cataclysm faction list on the main page. -- --[[User:Dingobloo|Dingobloo]] ([[User talk:Dingobloo|talk]]) 23:59, 14 December 2010 (UTC) |
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| + | : Thanks; fixed that — [[User:Foxlit|foxlit]] ([[User talk:Starlightblunder|talk]]) 03:52, 15 December 2010 (UTC) |
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| + | Currently [[Lost City of the Tol'vir]] is listed on the Main portal as being 82-84 and being similar to [[The Stonecore]] and [[Vortex Pinnacle]]. It is actually a level 85 dungeon and has a minimum level requirement of 84. It's similar to [[Grim Batol]] and [[Halls of Origination]]. [[User:Loop not defined|Loop not defined]] ([[User talk:Loop not defined|talk]]) 15:28, 12 January 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | :Whoops. How'd we all miss that? Thanks. --<span style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;cursor:help;" title="Wowpedia bureaucrat">[[User:Kaydeethree|k]]_[[User_talk:Kaydeethree|d]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Kaydeethree|3]]</sup></span> 18:42, 12 January 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | ::Also, I found out yesterday that the last three dungeons require an average ilvl of 305. So 85: 305? [[User:Loop not defined|Loop not defined]] ([[User talk:Loop not defined|talk]]) 14:25, 16 January 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | Professions is missing Archeology -FunOnABun 2:58, 20 March 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | A rather important link (in my opinion) is missing from the Main Page, it's the link to the Instances by Level page. [[User:Melrian|Melrian]] ([[User talk:Melrian|talk]]) 02:16, 24 March 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | I think the portal for the Warcraft universe needs to be slightly redesigned--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 17:25, 6 April 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | :Well I'm going to do some edits hope there is no problem with this--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 22:53, 18 April 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | ::Sandbox first, unless it's very minor things of course. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 22:57, 18 April 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | :::Hum already finished it did it, if there's any problem tell me and i'l redo it in a sandbox.--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 23:08, 18 April 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | :Again Gourra why did you revert it?--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 21:33, 19 April 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | ::As Coobra said, Sandbox it FIRST. Don't make direct edits to the portal. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 21:34, 19 April 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | :::[[Portal:Warcraft Universe/Sandbox]] there any problems?--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 21:36, 19 April 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | ::::So hum can i change it to my version???--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 23:06, 20 April 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | :::::I think the Alliance and Horde should take priority over the section of Organizations, you replaced them with. I'm ok with what you did to the left side of the box, but I'm not completely sure of the right side change. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 21:05, 21 April 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | :They have priority, they are the two first factions on the list exactly because of that, however i don't think we should have a list for each race in the alliance and the horde(since you know you can click the respective link and see a better more complete list with icons), the creatures i put the creatures that way because it's sorta like a Bestiary and that one of the biggest thing a entry about the universe should have, i removed RPG classes because you can follow the class link to get there, added elemental planes because they became far more relevant than minor noted worlds and realms/planes in this expansion.--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 21:36, 21 April 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | ::Is my justification ok? or do you thik we need to change something?--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 01:35, 22 April 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | :::Any comments before i change it back tomorrow?--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 20:44, 27 April 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | ::::Hmm i think Illidian force's are important to the list since they had a entire expansion dedicated to them(or 90% of a expansion)--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 21:06, 28 April 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | There is also a Dutch WoWWiki on [http://nl.wow.wikia.com/wiki/World_of_Warcraft_Wiki this] page. Could it be added to the language links? ([[User:Luxor|Luxor]] ([[User talk:Luxor|t]]•[[Special:Contributions/Luxor|c]]) 11:09, 25 April 2011 (UTC)) |
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| + | : Done; the nl interwiki prefix now forwards to the right place: [[nl:World of Warcraft Wiki]]; it should also show up in the "in other languages" section on the front page. For bonus points, do you think they could link to us somewhere? — [[User:Foxlit|foxlit]] ([[User talk:Starlightblunder|talk]]) 01:59, 26 April 2011 (UTC) |
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| + | ::Probably. I think that's just for admins. It's currently linking to WoWWiki. ([[User:Luxor|Luxor]] ([[User talk:Luxor|t]]•[[Special:Contributions/Luxor|c]]) 05:00, 26 April 2011 (UTC)) |
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| + | Could an admin please add the 4.1.0 undocumented patch changes link to the main page, under the Patch 4.1.0 heading that currently has a link to the official patch notes? |
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page title
The old page had a title of "World of Warcraft universe guide - WoWWiki" which was much more search engine friendly. Can that be changed here? Portal:main just doesn't have the same feel. -=- 
Drazisil [t/c] 04:03, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Style guides
I have yet to find something resembling a style guide for articles and information is doubled all over the place. If they do exist, they are very hard to find and very badly reinforced. For example on Priest there's a description of the talent trees, Priest talents has another description, Priest builds has yet another one... Pages like Priest talent analysis seem very hard to maintain and also very biased, is this Wiki supposed to have theory crafting? Wikis tend to be more factual and even if that article was up to date, the whole article would still be one big opinion. This problem isn't limited only to the Priest class. We should set a definite style guide for these articles and sub-articles and also decide on the ones that are worth keeping and delete the others that merely repeat the same information or give unnecessary details. If it is decided to keep things like Priest talent analysis, then someone needs to actively maintain it. I think some people aren't even aware that something like that exists, because you need to follow so many links to get to it.
To summarize:
- Set up style guides for pages that contain similar information, like the class pages.
- Reevaluate the usefulness and necessity of all the class related pages.
- Ensure that articles are properly linked and easy to get to.
This is hardly a one-man job and because it affects a lot of pages and information, I would like some community input on the matter. With Cataclysm being on its way and a lot of people editing the class data, things will only get worse if there's no style guide. If all these similar pages follow a similar layout, they will be easier to navigate and there will be no repeated information. I am confident this will greatly increase the Wiki's formality and coherence and hopefully set an example for other articles as well. These style guides can easily be expanded to other forms of articles, for example abilities/spells.
I am willing to write some of these style guides (which will basically just be a template of what goes where, allowing you to follow a pre-defined layout), but I can't do them all and I certainly can't enforce them on my own. The name "style guide" might not be entirely correct, it's more like a format guide of sorts. This will also make future updates in WoW much easier to integrate on the Wiki, because at the moment we need to change the same thing 10 times, because everything is duplicated somewhere, or scattered over a page. Zilana (talk) 11:34, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- I definitely agree some pages should be consolidated. I never understood the need for, for example, Priest tactics, when all the tactics should be covered in Priest PvE guide or Priest PvP guide. I do, however, see the need to keep separate Priest talents from Priest talent analysis (and same pages for other classes). The first should be a very brief listing with links to all the talents, with in-depth info kept separate for those who want it. --Grynd (talk) 05:33, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Defias brotherhood
-- Arugal (talk) 22:54, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Link for new players?
While I realize that most of your community are established players interested in the latest changes, I think a link to the newbie guide would be a good edition for the main page. This would help new players a lot and might expand your community.
And perhaps call the link something more friendly than "Newbie Guide". Perhaps something like, "For new players".
Tulonsae (talk) 00:48, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- I don't know how 'newbie guide' is unfriendly. If it was called 'noobs guide' then maybe, but newbie isn't an offensive term :P But I do agree a link there would be nice for newer peeps. Also, what happened to the featured article section? The homepage looks quite bare right now with lack of images. :c --Grynd (talk) 05:57, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Ramkahen Missing from Cataclysm Factions
Ramkahen are missing from the cataclysm faction list on the main page. -- --Dingobloo (talk) 23:59, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks; fixed that — foxlit (talk) 03:52, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
Lost City of the Tol'vir listed levels
Currently Lost City of the Tol'vir is listed on the Main portal as being 82-84 and being similar to The Stonecore and Vortex Pinnacle. It is actually a level 85 dungeon and has a minimum level requirement of 84. It's similar to Grim Batol and Halls of Origination. Loop not defined (talk) 15:28, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
- Whoops. How'd we all miss that? Thanks. --k_d3 18:42, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
- Also, I found out yesterday that the last three dungeons require an average ilvl of 305. So 85: 305? Loop not defined (talk) 14:25, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
Professions
Professions is missing Archeology -FunOnABun 2:58, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Missing Link
A rather important link (in my opinion) is missing from the Main Page, it's the link to the Instances by Level page. Melrian (talk) 02:16, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Warcraft universe
I think the portal for the Warcraft universe needs to be slightly redesigned--Ashbear160 (talk) 17:25, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
- Well I'm going to do some edits hope there is no problem with this--Ashbear160 (talk) 22:53, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- Sandbox first, unless it's very minor things of course.
(Sssss/Slithered) 22:57, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- Hum already finished it did it, if there's any problem tell me and i'l redo it in a sandbox.--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:08, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- Sandbox first, unless it's very minor things of course.
- Again Gourra why did you revert it?--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:33, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
- As Coobra said, Sandbox it FIRST. Don't make direct edits to the portal. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:34, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
- Portal:Warcraft Universe/Sandbox there any problems?--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:36, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
- So hum can i change it to my version???--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:06, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
- Portal:Warcraft Universe/Sandbox there any problems?--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:36, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
- As Coobra said, Sandbox it FIRST. Don't make direct edits to the portal. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:34, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
- They have priority, they are the two first factions on the list exactly because of that, however i don't think we should have a list for each race in the alliance and the horde(since you know you can click the respective link and see a better more complete list with icons), the creatures i put the creatures that way because it's sorta like a Bestiary and that one of the biggest thing a entry about the universe should have, i removed RPG classes because you can follow the class link to get there, added elemental planes because they became far more relevant than minor noted worlds and realms/planes in this expansion.--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:36, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
- Is my justification ok? or do you thik we need to change something?--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:35, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
- Any comments before i change it back tomorrow?--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:44, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
- Hmm i think Illidian force's are important to the list since they had a entire expansion dedicated to them(or 90% of a expansion)--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:06, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
- Any comments before i change it back tomorrow?--Ashbear160 (talk) 20:44, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
- Is my justification ok? or do you thik we need to change something?--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:35, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
Dutch
There is also a Dutch WoWWiki on this page. Could it be added to the language links? (Luxor (t•c) 11:09, 25 April 2011 (UTC))
- Done; the nl interwiki prefix now forwards to the right place: nl:World of Warcraft Wiki; it should also show up in the "in other languages" section on the front page. For bonus points, do you think they could link to us somewhere? — foxlit (talk) 01:59, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Patch Notes
Could an admin please add the 4.1.0 undocumented patch changes link to the main page, under the Patch 4.1.0 heading that currently has a link to the official patch notes?