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| + | Where does it say he is a Far Seer? And does anyone know what Clan he is from? -[[User:Rovdyr|Rovdyr]] 17:12, 31 January 2007 (EST) |
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| − | {{infobox town |
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| − | | faction = Alliance |
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| − | | name = Feathermoon Stronghold |
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| − | | ss = Feathermoon Stronghold.jpg |
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| − | | caption = |
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| − | | type = Fortress |
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| − | | pop = 240 |
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| − | | race = {{Race|Nightelf}}<br /> |
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| − | | leader = [[Shandris Feathermoon]] |
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| − | | affiliation = [[Alliance]], [[Darnassus]] |
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| − | | loc = North side [[Sardor Isle]] in western [[Feralas]] |
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| − | | facilities = yes |
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| − | | inn = yes |
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| − | | mailbox = yes |
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| − | | stables = yes |
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| − | | anvil = |
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| − | | trainers = yes |
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| − | | profession = yes |
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| − | |travel = yes |
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| − | | flightpath = yes |
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| − | | boat = yes |
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| − | | status = Active |
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| − | | source = ''[[Lands of Mystery]]'', pg 50-52 |
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| − | }} |
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| + | Nazgrel is from the Frostwolf Clan. As for him being a Far Seer, there are only two things supporting it, and neither of them looks like sufficient proof to me. First, the name Nazgrel is listed among the standard Far Seer hero names in WC3, which is of course not canonical. The other is that he is dressed like a shaman in Thrallmar. Typical style of Lunarfalls, I might add, they love to make up such speculations and present them as official lore. |
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| − | '''Feathermoon Stronghold''' is the name of the [[night elf]] island fortress located off the western coast of [[Feralas]] on [[Sardor Isle]] on the continent of [[Kalimdor]]. It has a [[hippogryph]] point and can be reached from [[Auberdine]], [[Nijel's Point]] and [[Thalanaar]]. The stronghold was established by General {{npc||Shandris Feathermoon}}, who for the past ten thousand years has been {{npc||Tyrande Whisperwind}}'s right hand in the Sentinels. |
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| + | [[User:PRH|PRH]] 08:14, 9 March 2007 (EST) |
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| + | Thanks -[[User:Rovdyr|Rovdyr]] 10:20, 12 April 2007 (EDT) |
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| − | Feathermoon is most easily accessible by a [[boat]] taken from Feralas in the [[Forgotten Coast]], though many Alliance players who don't like to wait for the boat prefer to swim. |
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| + | ::I've readded Nazgrel's Far Seer connection to class list, put up the (WC3) tag (as a warning), and also noted questionable nature of the classification over in [[Far Seer]] article.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 23:44, 26 May 2007 (UTC) |
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| − | ==Background== |
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| − | {{RPG-section}} |
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| − | Overseen by Shandris Feathermoon, this stronghold is the only [[Alliance]]-held region in Feralas. The night elf outpost mainly occupies itself with searching for artifacts among the [[Highborne]] ruins and investigating the presence of the [[naga]] to the south. The stronghold is located off the west coast of Feralas, on [[Sardor Isle]]. Friendly but distant, these elves.<ref>''[[Lands of Mystery]]'', pg 50-52</ref> |
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| + | ::I still think that the Far Seer class shouldn't be listed in Nazgrel's infobox, since the box is meant to display information about Nazgrel the Warcraft character, who was never documented being a shaman. If you want to mention "Nazgrel" as one of the standard Far Seer names in WC3, a short note at the end of the article will suffice IMHO. |
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| − | ==Cataclysm== |
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| + | ::[[User:PRH|PRH]] 14:25, 11 June 2007 (UTC) |
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| − | The [[Isle of Dread]] and parts of [[Sardor Isle]] are flooded by tidal waves caused by the Cataclysm, and after an attack of the [[Naga]], all that is left are the [[Ruins of Feathermoon]]. A [[Feathermoon Stronghold (new)|new Feathermoon Stronghold]] is built on the mainland, roughly where the dock leading to the original stronghold is located. |
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| + | :::Nazgrel is literally a reference to the Nazgrel character from the cancelled [[Warcraft Adventures]], they were not intended to be "seperate characters", but a direct reference. Why they attached the reference to a far seer is unknown. It is a new policy to add the tag (wc3) or related source, whenever a certain class might be questionable, see Talk page for Daelin Prouudmoore.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 00:09, 20 June 2007 (UTC) |
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| − | == Travel Connections == |
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| − | === Flight === |
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| − | ;{{Alliance Icon Small}} [[Auberdine]] |
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| − | ;{{Alliance Icon Small}} [[Nijel's Point]] |
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| − | ;{{Alliance Icon Small}} [[Thalanaar]] |
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| − | ;{{Neutral Icon Small}} [[Cenarion Hold]] |
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| + | To be fair we don't really know much of what Nazgrel was or his importance in Warcraft Adventures, for all we know he could have been a shaman or far seer, in the story[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 03:57, 29 June 2007 (UTC) |
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| − | === Boat === |
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| − | ;{{Neutral Icon Small}} [[The Forgotten Coast]] |
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| + | All we know from him before WoW and the Kalimdor invasion is that he was a veteran of the [[Second War]]. --[[User:Eman91|Eman91]] |
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| − | == Feathermoon Stronghold NPCs == |
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| − | === Profession Trainers === |
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| − | *{{RaceIcon|NightElf|Female}} {{npc||Kylanna Windwhisper}} <Alchemy Trainer> |
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| − | *{{RaceIcon|NightElf|Female}} {{npc||Xylinnia Starshine}} <Enchanting Trainer> |
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| − | *{{RaceIcon|NightElf|Male}} {{npc||Brannock}} <Fishing Trainer> |
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| + | :Well obviously if Nazgrel is a shaman in the TCG, then its support of him being the variant class of far seer as well.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 07:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | === Merchants === |
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| − | *{{RaceIcon|Human|Male}} {{npc||Pratt McGrubben}} <Leatherworking Supplies> |
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| − | *{{RaceIcon|NightElf|Female}} {{npc||Dulciea Frostmoon}} <Cloth Armor Merchant> |
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| − | *{{RaceIcon|NightElf|Male}} {{npc||Mardrack Greenwell}} <Food & Drink> |
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| − | *{{RaceIcon|NightElf|Male}} {{npc||Logannas}} <Alchemy Supplies> |
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| − | *{{RaceIcon|NightElf|Male}} {{npc||Jadenvis Seawatcher}} <Reagent Vendor> |
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| − | *{{RaceIcon|NightElf|Female}} {{npc||Vivianna}} <Trade Supplies> |
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| − | *{{RaceIcon|NightElf|Female}} {{npc||Innkeeper Shyria}} <Innkeeper> |
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| − | *{{RaceIcon|NightElf|Male}} {{npc||Faralorn}} <General Supplies> |
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| − | *{{RaceIcon|NightElf|Male}} {{npc||Harklane}} <Fish Vendor> |
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| − | *{{RaceIcon|NightElf|Female}} {{npc||Savanne}} <Fishing Supplies> |
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| + | The same TCG that classes Velen as a shaman and Lor'Themar as a paladin? [[User:Xavius|Xavius, the Satyr Lord]] 20:50, 25 February 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | === Other Characters === |
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| − | *{{RaceIcon|NightElf|Female}} '''{{npc||Shandris Feathermoon}}''' <General of the Sentinel Army> |
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| − | *{{RaceIcon|NightElf|Male}} {{npc||Fyldren Moonfeather}} <Hippogryph Master> |
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| − | *{{RaceIcon|NightElf|Male}} {{npc||Antarius}} <Stable Master> |
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| − | *{{RaceIcon|NightElf|Male}} {{npc||Quintis Jonespyre}} |
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| − | *{{RaceIcon|Human|Female}} {{npc||Paige Felixe}} |
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| − | *{{RaceIcon|Human|Male}} {{npc||Erik Felixe}} |
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| − | *{{RaceIcon|NightElf|Male}} {{npc||Latronicus Moonspear}} |
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| − | *{{RaceIcon|NightElf|Male}} {{npc||Ginro Hearthkindle}} |
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| − | *{{RaceIcon|NightElf|Male}} {{npc||Troyas Moonbreeze}} |
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| − | **{{RaceIconExt|Panther}} {{npc||Jewel}} <Troyas' Pet> |
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| − | *{{RaceIcon|NightElf|Female}} {{npc||Angelas Moonbreeze}} |
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| − | **{{RaceIconExt|Cougar|Small}} {{npc||Jacob}} <Angelas' Pet> |
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| − | *{{RaceIcon|NightElf|Female}} {{npc||Vestia Moonspear}} |
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| − | *{{RaceIcon|NightElf|Female}} {{npc||Scholar Runethorn}} |
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| − | *{{RaceIcon|NightElf|Female}} {{npc||Bethan Bluewater}} |
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| + | :Lor'Themar might be a paladin, but he seems more or less a warrior. But Velen is definately not a shaman. While many Draenei were taught shamanism by the orcs, Velen is a priest. This is made appearent by his appearence in WoW, and the fact that he founded [[The Aldor]]. Eman91 23:36, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[[User:Eman91|Eman91]] |
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| − | '''Guards''' |
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| − | *{{RaceIcon|NightElf|Female}} {{npc||Feathermoon Sentinel}} |
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| + | ::Yes, that is what I meant, that the TCG cannot be trusted on issues like this. [[Image:INV Misc Orb 04.png|20px]] '''''[[User:Xavius|<u><span style="color:lime">Xavius, the Satyr Lord</span></u>]]''''' ''[[User:Xavius/Guestbook|(praise)]] [[Special:Contributions/WoWWiki-Xavius|(creations)]]'' 14:17, 17 August 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | ==References== |
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| + | == Veteran of the Second War? == |
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| − | {{Feralas}} |
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| + | "As a veteran of the Second War, loyal soldier of Orgrim Doomhammer, and a former prisoner of the Alliance internment camps, Nazgrel despises the Alliance, and humans in particular." |
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| − | [[fr:Bastion de Pennelune]] |
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| + | Where does this information come from? I've searched the WoW quest texts, CoH and HPG and found no confirmation of the above quote. The WoW manual states that Nazgrel is a member of the Frostwolf clan, which never took part in the Second War, and that Nazgrel was with the clan when Thrall first came to them, which means it's very unlikely Nazgrel was in the camps either. [[User:PRH|PRH]] ([[User talk:PRH|talk]]) 17:39, 29 April 2009 (UTC) |
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| + | == Clearly not a shaman - must be another Nazgrel == |
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| + | Nazgrel is very clearly not a shaman in anyway. In The Burning Crusade he has no shaman abilities, and does not have a shaman's appearance. Similarly, in The Founding of Durotar in The Frozen Throne he is shown as a warrior/[[raider]], with a raider's abilities. Finally, in Warcraft Adventures he is very noticeably a Frostwolf raider - a shaman called Nazgrel cannot be based on this character in anything other than name and perhaps clan. He does not say anything shamanistic in any incarnation (in Warcraft Adventures he is obsessed with honour and the sacred hunt, and is a stark contrast to the Far Seer Drek'thar. The random Far Seer "Nazgrel" should therefore be considered a seperate character, just like the Maim and Rend in Outland in The Frozen Throne should not be considered the same as Maim and Rend Blackhand, despite having the same names. The TCG lists him as a shaman, but the TCG is repeatedly wrong about the character classes of lore characters (Velen a shaman?). The person who designed the card probably got that information from here.--[[User:Weasel|Weasel]] ([[User talk:Weasel|talk]]) 12:27, 11 June 2011 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 12:34, 11 June 2011
Where does it say he is a Far Seer? And does anyone know what Clan he is from? -Rovdyr 17:12, 31 January 2007 (EST)
Nazgrel is from the Frostwolf Clan. As for him being a Far Seer, there are only two things supporting it, and neither of them looks like sufficient proof to me. First, the name Nazgrel is listed among the standard Far Seer hero names in WC3, which is of course not canonical. The other is that he is dressed like a shaman in Thrallmar. Typical style of Lunarfalls, I might add, they love to make up such speculations and present them as official lore. PRH 08:14, 9 March 2007 (EST)
Thanks -Rovdyr 10:20, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
- I still think that the Far Seer class shouldn't be listed in Nazgrel's infobox, since the box is meant to display information about Nazgrel the Warcraft character, who was never documented being a shaman. If you want to mention "Nazgrel" as one of the standard Far Seer names in WC3, a short note at the end of the article will suffice IMHO.
- PRH 14:25, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- Nazgrel is literally a reference to the Nazgrel character from the cancelled Warcraft Adventures, they were not intended to be "seperate characters", but a direct reference. Why they attached the reference to a far seer is unknown. It is a new policy to add the tag (wc3) or related source, whenever a certain class might be questionable, see Talk page for Daelin Prouudmoore.Baggins 00:09, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
To be fair we don't really know much of what Nazgrel was or his importance in Warcraft Adventures, for all we know he could have been a shaman or far seer, in the storyBaggins 03:57, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
All we know from him before WoW and the Kalimdor invasion is that he was a veteran of the Second War. --Eman91
- Well obviously if Nazgrel is a shaman in the TCG, then its support of him being the variant class of far seer as well.Baggins 07:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
The same TCG that classes Velen as a shaman and Lor'Themar as a paladin? Xavius, the Satyr Lord 20:50, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
- Lor'Themar might be a paladin, but he seems more or less a warrior. But Velen is definately not a shaman. While many Draenei were taught shamanism by the orcs, Velen is a priest. This is made appearent by his appearence in WoW, and the fact that he founded The Aldor. Eman91 23:36, 28 March 2008 (UTC)Eman91
- Yes, that is what I meant, that the TCG cannot be trusted on issues like this.
Xavius, the Satyr Lord (praise) (creations) 14:17, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, that is what I meant, that the TCG cannot be trusted on issues like this.
Veteran of the Second War?
"As a veteran of the Second War, loyal soldier of Orgrim Doomhammer, and a former prisoner of the Alliance internment camps, Nazgrel despises the Alliance, and humans in particular."
Where does this information come from? I've searched the WoW quest texts, CoH and HPG and found no confirmation of the above quote. The WoW manual states that Nazgrel is a member of the Frostwolf clan, which never took part in the Second War, and that Nazgrel was with the clan when Thrall first came to them, which means it's very unlikely Nazgrel was in the camps either. PRH (talk) 17:39, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Clearly not a shaman - must be another Nazgrel
Nazgrel is very clearly not a shaman in anyway. In The Burning Crusade he has no shaman abilities, and does not have a shaman's appearance. Similarly, in The Founding of Durotar in The Frozen Throne he is shown as a warrior/raider, with a raider's abilities. Finally, in Warcraft Adventures he is very noticeably a Frostwolf raider - a shaman called Nazgrel cannot be based on this character in anything other than name and perhaps clan. He does not say anything shamanistic in any incarnation (in Warcraft Adventures he is obsessed with honour and the sacred hunt, and is a stark contrast to the Far Seer Drek'thar. The random Far Seer "Nazgrel" should therefore be considered a seperate character, just like the Maim and Rend in Outland in The Frozen Throne should not be considered the same as Maim and Rend Blackhand, despite having the same names. The TCG lists him as a shaman, but the TCG is repeatedly wrong about the character classes of lore characters (Velen a shaman?). The person who designed the card probably got that information from here.--Weasel (talk) 12:27, 11 June 2011 (UTC)