Something I've been wondering:
For character lists placed after the ending of Arthas: Rise of the Lich King, when including Arthas, how should we name him? Arthas Menethil or Lich King?. And the problem started:
Remember that, after the ending of RotLK, Ner'zhul doesn't exist, and there's only Arthas.
So, should we consider Ner'zhul still a part of Arthas, or treat the being as only Arthas?
Another case of this could be Illidan and Gul'dan. Illidan consumed Gul'dan's skull, but he's still Illidan, and not a fusion of 2 characters, since only one mind remains.
I believe that Arthas eliminated Ner'zhul's control over the fusion, so he has all the abilities the fused Lich King had, including that of shaman skills, but now he's the only one commanding.
But, anyway, I would like to see more opinions in this aspect. Also, included a poll for if things doesn't seem to solve up.--Lon-ami (talk) 15:05, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
- I vote for the name "Arthas the Lich King"
- Rhapsodia (talk) 18:02, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
- Ideally, I wouldn't have anything done to the articles, they work fine as they are now, especially since everything is updated. And the ending to RotLK can be read different ways, which is the problem with the book, so no I don't think Ner'zhul is gone, I hold by what I always been saying: They merged and Arthas took over. The Illidan/Gul'dan thing is different from my understanding that when Illidan consumed the skull's power, he didn't merge with warlock. He just took his power. The fact that the skull still exists and is used provides evidence to this.
- ANYWHO, tl;dr I suggest keeping it the way it is, an Ner'zhul page, an Arthas page, and a Lich King page.--TheUltimate (talk) 00:09, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
I haven't read the RotLK; but its seems a matter of interpretation whether or not Ner'zhul exist after Arthas "murder" him in a dreamstate. The rules for the Emerald Dream are "While within the dream, the traveler can, through exercise of will, view the waking world and to a limited extent interact with it". This might just as well apply to the dreamstate where "Arthas murders the child manifestation of his humanity" It had an effect on the waking world ---> "there's nothing left to redeem".
He might have been similarly able to murder Ner'zhul in that dreamstate. However, in my opinion, he took up the mantle of being the Lich King, he's not likely going to use his mortal name. "Everyone is going to die, cast of this mortal shell for an immortal form". TherasTaneel (talk) 18:10, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
But that's not the topic 
. I mean if we should consider him Ner'zhul+Arthas or just Arthas.--Lon-ami (talk) 18:20, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, but im just answering that choices in the vote: Arthas Menethil - Lich King. But in that case, just Arthas then. TherasTaneel (talk) 21:52, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
They merged, and Arthas "consumed" Ner'zhul (Legends 4). The book also said he killed Matthias, and that little bugger had us running all over Icecrown, which as much as I can tell through in game quests and what not, takes place months afterward he woke up. Adding all this together, Arthas took Ner'zhul's power, but he didn't completely destroy Ner'zhul, as he is now him. Also adding what TherasTanee1 said, because of the book, what we see in game, and what Metzen himself have said, everything is a matter of interpretation. Which is why it sucks.--TheUltimate (talk) 21:48, 6 July 2009 (UTC)