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Are there any info on dark shamans? How do they work, since I though the elements would have to agree with it to work, and the dark part implies that it's forced? I guess Ragnaros wouldn't mind helping out,...but still.

Examples of Dark shamans in WoW:

• Bleeding Hollow Dark Shaman
• Twilight Dark Shaman

Items:

•  [Dark Shaman's Cover]

Not RPG class option?

--TherasTaneel (talk) 05:04, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

My best guess... a shaman gone bad. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 05:12, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, had hoped for something more interesting. Oh well... TherasTaneel (talk) 05:15, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

I always figured it was like Ner'zhul at the end of "Beyond the Dark Portal" a Shaman so powerful that they don't need the elements co-operation, they have the power to force the elements into doing what they want rather then asking and hoping they agree... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Max Krist (talk · contr).

Hmm, "Over time, the taunka—whom many believe to be ancestral cousins of the tauren—have adapted, but only by forcing the land and the elements to yield to their will. The taunka's relationship with nature, unlike that of their tauren brethren, has been one of constant struggle and grim perseverance."[1]. Does this mean they.. force the elements like a dark shaman would, or just describe their struggle with The North Wind? TherasTaneel (talk) 09:42, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the shaman of the Twilight Dark, and others who follow the old gods are in some ways more likely shaman than the races we play, as the elementals were the lieutenants and underlings of the old gods. In the lore sources, it says that "Elemental spirits are by nature chaotic and destructive, but also capable of reasoning and clever actions." In similar sources it mentions that the Earthen Ring, the shaman version of the Cenarion Circle, exists to "keep the elemental spirits in check. They work to prevent the elemental forces from wreaking havoc on Azeroth." In recent times, the elemental spirits, normally a nuetral party in all conflicts, seem to have sided against Sargeras. I would guess this is most likely an act of preservation. Other than that conflict, it seems like the elemental spirits will aid anyone who caters to their whims to some degree. Dark shaman are probably a reference to either shaman who serve the old gods, or simply shaman not aligned with the Horde/Earthen Ring.NocturnalAbyss (talk) 22:09, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

The taunka are not dark shamans. If they stopped doing what they do they would freeze to death. A quick search for dark shamans brought up Talk:Shaman lore, Talk:Fel orc#fel orc classes, and Talk:Gul'dan#Shaman. It seems they do not have lore, so I am agreeing with Coobra.--SWM2448 17:53, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure they are not, I just asked if they forced elements to work, like on those grind-thingies near Taunka'le Village or if the "struggle"-part referred to they struggle with the North Wind. TherasTaneel (talk) 18:37, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Another thing, that Dark Shaman Cover might not even be proof of its existence. Grammatically speaking, the name is rather ambiguous. Being the linguistics maniac that I am, I'd like to look at the internal structure: the item could be a dark "shaman cover" as much as it could be a "dark shaman" cover. ;) AMBER^(ЯΘ<K) 20:34, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

It is Dark Shaman's Cover, so it is/was owned by a Dark Shaman. On the Taunka note forcing the elements is more akin to Geomancers. I was reminded of the Dark Shamany issue by this: The Tomb of Sargeras (Warcraft II) It states that there were Shamans there. I do not recall this during the actualy WC2 mission but in WC3: TFT these shammans are shown. It is possible these shamans aligned to the Stormreaver Clan were Dark Shamans. My theory is that they are Elemental Shamans/Warlocks, who sustain their link to the elements by magical force and thus can wield its powers. Khorne25 (talk) 19:45, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Ymirjar Dusk Shaman might be another type of dark shaman. TherasTaneel (talk) 00:12, April 22, 2010 (UTC)