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Hi, the new size for the fixed width is now live (see http://www.wowwiki.com/Portal:Main?useskin=wikia if you are set to a different skin). I'm gathering info on pages that still have issues, in particular wide tables. Please can you list them here if you see any. Thanks -- Sannse (talk) 21:04, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Good, now why don't you give all the other wikis the same special service you're offering WOWWIKI. I know you keep claiming that WOWWIKI has a higher average viewing size than other wikis, but I would like to see this data, and I would like to know how you determined this data. I would also like to see how the average width screen resolution of a WOWWIKI user compares to that of other gaming sites. Thank you for your consideration. Dungy (talk) 23:33, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
Here's some initial stats:
The most significant resolution here is 1024x768. That's the resolution that will get a scroll bar on WoWWiki at the moment, and not on other wikis. Across Wikia, 16% of visitors use 1024x768. On WoWWiki, it's 9%
I don't have figures for specifically gaming sites (although I should be able to get some) but figures for some other wikis:
Diablo - 13%
Wookieepedia - 15%
Harry Potter - 16%
Yugioh - 20%
(I know those are rather random wiki choices, but those are the ones I have to hand)
70% of visitors on WoWWiki have screen resolutions of 1440px wide and higher (vs. 25% across all wikia) and WoWWiki is the only wiki in the top 20 that has less than 10% of its audience on 1024x768
And I want to stress that this decision wasn't based just on screen resolution stats, the team working on the new skin also considered the total number of people as well as the percentages (in other words, yes, WoWWiki's size was a factor). And they looked at the style of the content and how it worked with the narrower screen. That's a more subjective judgment of course, but it was a factor.
They are also working on solutions for wide tables across Wikia, and ideas for better handling infoboxes. Those will be global features, and not WoWWiki-specific.
I'm sure I'm missed some of what they were telling me about this change (it's getting late here) but I hope that explains some of the detail -- Sannse@Wikia (help forum | blog) 07:15, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
It's still disingenuous and unfair to the other Wikis, Sannse. You're only allowing the 25% increase in content-width, ebcause you know almost all of the people who (used to, but no longer) visit WowWiki on Wikia have so much more screen-real-estate available, that even tossing that meager bone to them, still leaves you with a Times-Square-esque amount of advertising space to make money with.
Me? I'm in the process of eliminating Wikia from my life, as much as possible. Not only does the grass look greener on the other side of those pasture fences, it tastes better, too. --PaxArcana (talk) 04:21, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
Okay, just because I'm at a 1920x1200 screen size doesn't mean i want my browser window to take up the whole bloody thing. Fixed width is cool... when it's not this friggin huge. Duskwatch
The wider content space is better than before. I have a horizontal scroll bar. I use 1152 by 864 display setting. I have to scroll to edit in this forum thread too.
Who are the ones making the decisions? "They are also working on solutions for wide tables across Wikia, and ideas for better handling infoboxes." Can I contact them directly?
A flexible maximum width would solve some problems. --Timeshifter (talk) 16:18, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
If you have any ideas/suggestions (which are very much appreciated), the best way would be to use Special:Contact, or let Sannse know. Kirkburn  talk  contr 20:43, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
OK, thanks. I just used Special:Contact. I also left a note on Jimmy Wales talk page.
I don't understand why a flexible width isn't used up to the new maximum width in the new look for WoWWiki? --Timeshifter (talk) 01:27, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
Although I don't like the fixed page widths, I do see one advantage. As many users have different screen sizes, on Monaco some pages would be much wider for some users than they would be for others. This means that any editors who tried to tailor picture and paragraph sizes to their look would only benefit users with the same size of screen, for everyone else tailored articles look weird. With this new fixed page widths thing, no matter what size your screen is all users have the same plane to edit on. Basically your sacrificing practicality for suitability, if you catch my drift.
Now if we had the flexible page widths, we'd have the problem again. Although we may not have that problem much on WoWWiki, on other, smaller and perhaps newer wikis where editors are not as informed with this kind of thing, it might. This page width thing was simply introduced to make it easier to browse, to help unify aesthetic editing standards.
Honestly, this whole Wowpedia thing sounds ridiculous, it's just going to fragment the wiki. I can't see how doing so would work, we've now currently got two very good databases with virtually the same info but different editors, but odds are both are just going to come out worse for it, civil war always causes destruction. Smuff [The cake is a lie.] 23:52, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
Smuff: Yep, the consistency of view with a fixed width is a big factor here... it means some changes on pages now but hopefully will give a much better experience everywhere on Wikia in the long-term -- Sannse@Wikia (help forum | blog) 16:03, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
This is incorrect. As you will find out in the long run. I don't have the desire to go through the hassle of forking my wiki unless nothing changes in the next few months. But if nothing changes concerning this new "one-size-fits-all" attitude of Wikia, and crippled site navigation, then many wikis will fork over time if some open-minded wiki farms are found with enough server capacity, staff expertise, and CSS/JS customization. I already have a private server offer.
I don't really care what skin is used as long as I can deeply customize the width and the site navigation. I am hoping that my initial faith in Wikia founders Angela and Jimbo is supported by what they do the next couple months. My loyalty is to the quality of my wiki first, though, in any case. I am not worried about Google finding the new wiki. I have created mirrors of my non-wiki sites several times over the years, and Google finds them and sends lots of traffic to them in only a few months. I believe competition is a good thing. --Timeshifter (talk) 21:44, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

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