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I was wondering if anyone would be interested in having a news blog for WoWWiki, similar to how the Fallout Wiki has theirs:

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Blog:News

This would allow users to comment on news items rather than have what we have now, which is a rather static posting on the front page. Any thoughts? Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 21:17, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

Can you turn on comments only for blogs or does it have to be turned on everywhere? Also, would it be just a news blog or turning on blogs for everyone? Knowing the answers to these questions would allow for better feedback. WoWWiki turned down blogs in general in the past, so it may have been for reasons of limiting how blogs work. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3:32 PM PST 16 Dec 2010
Comments can be turned on just for blogs - articles won't be affected - this is how it works e.g. at The Vault. There we have comments only for blogs, but articles and other namespaces have regular talk pages. As an admin, I was reluctant to allow blogs at The Vault at first, but they turned out to be a great feature that helped the wiki establish a more stable readership and some people who originally came to The Vault just to comment on news eventually became excellent contributors. We also ended up becoming one of the best (if not the best) sources of news about Fallout. Blogs would be turned on for all users, as the news blog feed simply automatically includes all blog posts added to the news categories (news can be easily subcategorized into e.g. "WoW news", "Community news" that will go to different feeds on the talk page, for example). However, if you don't want to allow non-news blogs (which I don't mind personally, they are a nice extension of the personal user pages), you can always make it WoWWiki's policy to allow only newsworthy blog posts. Ausir(talk)@Wikia 00:00, December 17, 2010 (UTC)
This would be an interesting way to differentiate WoWWiki from Wowpedia, by implementing a new feature the other fork doesn't have. I think its worth considering -- and yes, I think there should be a policy that blog posts must remain newsworthy (but no need to restrict comments). The other restriction is that comments should not obstruct the flow of the main page. Just a link to the comments, nothing more. ddcorkum (talk) 03:08, December 17, 2010 (UTC)
Indeed, I think using features unique to Wikia could be helpful in differentiating it from Wowpedia, although I won't try advocating some that would probably be more controversial here, like achievements (well, unless you do want them :)). And just like with articles, you're free to set policies on what kinds of blog posts are allowed and which ones aren't. Let us know if you have any other objections or questions, or if we can activate the extension. We can always do a trial period first and then deactivate it if you no longer want it. Ausir@Wikia(talk) 11:11, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
Until the WoWWiki community recovers a more involved and vibrant audience (if it ever does), blog support is probably low priority. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3:53 PM PST 20 Dec 2010
I think the news blog could help recover the audience. And we (Wikia staff) would help run it, of course. Ausir(talk) 16:33, December 21, 2010 (UTC)
If you want to contribute blogs on a regular basis that focus on WoWWiki issues, then go ahead and enable it. Compared to the many issues that have driven users away from WoWWiki, I don't put blogs high on the list, but I'm not opposed. Please try to get to the other things as well, though. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 2:03 PM PST 21 Dec 2010
I understand your point Fandyllic, but I think in this case Wikia needs to focus on improvements it can do to WoWWiki that are creative and altogether different from the direction of Wowpedia, as this is the only way to differentiate WoWWiki. By implementing measures that we expect, WoWWiki risks being labelled as laggard and a copy of Wowpedia by merely doing things its competitors have already done. Not saying those things shouldn't be done too -- they should, if WoWWiki wants to be taken seriously (like the recently returned tooltips) -- but its not enough to just do what we want and expect. Some fresh ideas, like this blog idea, will actually demonstrate some good that can possibly come from having a single, standard skin. It might actually put some positive energy and a little spring back into Wikia's step, and believe me, a little good momentum is something they could really use right now. I like the idea. Its not a game changer, but its a much better solution than a strategy that focuses on google rankings and attempting to hide the existance of its competitors. Its a strategy that focuses on actually providing a product that is different and unique from its competitors -- in the long run this is a much better way to not just survival but also growth. ddcorkum (talk) 18:54, December 23, 2010 (UTC)
The blog idea may be differentiating, but I don't see how it will build momentum unless A) it gets advertised enough and in the right places where people will actually care to read them and B) there are people willing to write them.
WoWWiki needs things that Wowpedia doesn't have and that both their audiences actually want. I have some more ideas, but they were a bit pie-in-the-sky for my first list. Also, Wikia needs to actually try to gather ideas privately from supporters who play WoW. Maybe they're doing that, but beyond my meeting with Sannse (where we only briefly talked about WoWWiki), I didn't see much evidence. Sannse had no reason to say this wasn't happening behind the scenes, but she gave no indication that is was. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4:31 PM PST 23 Dec 2010

News blog launchedEdit

The news blog on the main page has been launched. Things still to do include adding news pages for all major news categories and making portals display only news specific to that portal (e.g. only Cataclysm news in the Cataclysm portal, not much point in doing it for other portals for now). And posting news, of course. I replicated the previous setup and created two bloglists on the main page - one for WoW news and one for WoWWiki news. Let me know if you want that changed.

Also, what do you think about e.g. replacing the "popular content" part of the navigation menu with "news"? Ausir(talk) 19:48, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

For anyone wanting to contribute news blog posts: to make a post appear in the Warcraft News section on the main page, add it to [[Category:World of Warcraft news]] or [[Category:Blizzard news]]. To appear in the WoWWiki News section, add the post to [[Category:WoWWiki news]]. This is also explained at the top of both news listing pages here and here.
To expand on what Ausir said above, if you guys want to do it, the News navigation menu would look like this:
News >
World of Warcraft news
WoWWiki news
Submit news (link to create blog page)
You could also add more specific items if you want, like Cataclysm news, Blizzard news, etc. Also, using this News nav menu would allow the removal of WoWWiki news from the Community menu, thus freeing up a spot there for another community-related page.
The 'Popular content' nav menu (using the code #popular#) simply pulls the first seven pages from the list seen at Special:Mostpopulararticles, which is not an accurate portrayal of what is popular right now. Case in point being Race ideas, which is listed as #3 but has only been editted a handful of times over the last 6 months. JoePlay@Wikia (talk) 21:16, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
Is there any way to preload a created blog page with a standard header or categories? --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 8:36 PM PST 30 Dec 2010
I'm afraid preloading blog pages is not possible at the moment. Ausir(talk) 13:21, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

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