Forum:Who is the worst faction leader and why?

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After the success of Forum:Who is your favourite faction leader and why?, I've decided to make this alternate version: Who is the worst faction leader.

My choice, right now, goes for Varian Wrynn. His change of personality and hatred for the orcs is only bringing death to he and his comrades. I'd vote for Thrall, too, since he's letting Garrosh do the same, but I think Varian is intelligent enough to avoid conflict, but he doesn't, opening the path for a possible unnecessary 4th war.

Looking forward your opinions .--Lon-ami (talk) 12:28, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Tyrande, for being outrunned by a vicious power-lusty arch-druid by interim.

Seriously, what's this new world tree for? When you sacrificed your immortality to save the world, you can't come back 4 years later and try to get it back moron!

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 12:36, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Lor'themar Theron for letting Kael'thas nearly destroy the Blood Elves by joining the Legion and not having the balls to lead his people in a better direction. Plus now that Kael'thas has been destroyed, he lets his pressence live on in Silvermoon? He should return his people to thier former glory like the Sunwell. Also A'noob has a very good point :P Max Krist (talk) 12:54, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Hahaha, good points, men, good points. Also, let's list some of the leaders' pains in the asses:

• Cairne Bloodhoof: Magatha is destroying all your work and you don't stop her. I don't know if you are playing like Thrall does with the Burning Blade, but... but. You need to be harsher.
• Magni Bronzebeard: Letting your daughter menace the entire dwarven race by going on a date with the enemy. You're a good father, and a good grandpa, soon.
• Gelbin Mekkatorque: You just let your city to be destroyed. By one of your friends. You're great (not by size).
• Lor'themar Theron: You just failed for believing Outland was a paradise. Douche. Also, I liked your involvement with Zul'Aman.
• Thrall: Letting Garrosh spit on you, when he's just a stupid kid who only wants to revert the Horde into a war machine isn't good for a warchief.
• Velen: He's a damn n00b. You only have to read Rise of the Horde to facepalm with him. Poor leadership for a poor leader.
• Vol'jin: Your island got invaded by a... err... a single guy? C'mon, take an warband and kill him off, instead of running away.
• Tyrande Whisperwind: Letting Fandral replace Furion isn't good. Who is the leader, he or you? It's just annoying.
• Sylvanas Windrunner: Demon majordomo is demon majordomo and, if that's not enough, he betrays you. Champion.
• Varian Wrynn: For god's sake, are you fighting the Scourge or the Horde? Your strategy is just stupid. It's a pity Yogg-Saron didn't come and kicked your ass just for ignoring Ulduar.

Those are my main points ).--Lon-ami (talk) 13:13, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

I say it is Sylvanas. I mean come on! You have a demon you bullied to become yours as your majordomo/security. He betrays you and nearly destroys your freaking city, along with one of your own apothecaries who betrays you. Then you have the apothecaries themselves. Let's destroy the world guys! Yeah that's great! You're a freaken zombie who doesn't know when to quit, when you're beaten. Not to mention you are allied with the blood elves... OkolorionTalk Contribs 17:43, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I find it interesting the greatest supporter for the blood elves joining the horde... and not one blood elf helped retake the city... Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 20:24, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

About the same reason why the horde sent an orc! emissary to see their former captured dragon queen and not an elf. TherasTaneel (talk) 20:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to ignore any faults they have due to Blizz not giving their racial plot more fuel (Like Cairne). The worst two leaders IMSO are Velen, because finding middle ground with the orc's beliefs about Oshu'gun and the truth about it when he was tied up in Durotan's tent may have been enough to save his race in one conversation but he has to be a stuck up old guy, and Varian, because he is a quickly made anti-Thrall shoved in there with ridiculously simple motivations to save WarCraft from going soft.--SWM2448 23:10, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, in the comics Varian actually sounded as intelligent and level headed as Thrall, hell he's even friends with a belf, and then they turn him into a Horde hater, not that he doesn't have reason to be, just not that extreme... fail blizz Max Krist (talk) 05:39, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Varian Wrynn. Racist. :P - SlapMop

Varian, purely cos the changes to him in the comic have produced someone with Thrall's wisdom, but now clouded by Garrosh's hatred and bitterness. -- Zeal ^(T/C)  15:56, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Varian he's more bad then good, he only cares for his people but hates all orcs and the horde in general, he acts sometimes ruthless and proud of himself because of his past, he will eventually start the true war between the Horde and Alliance only too be gladly supported indirectly by Garosh Hellscream by accepting a battle between the 2 factions even in the Lich King crisis which would ruin the only chance for a Co-OP Raid with both alliance and horde. --DarckArchon Might of Aiur 07:56, 7 August 2009 (UTC)