Changes: Hakkar the Soulflayer

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Nested recipe tooltips

This currently causes recipes to display a tooltip within a tooltip. Can you edit this so that the created item is linked rather than embedded? -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:47, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

This is, at least in part, intentional -- we've never been able to properly include information about the item created in the recipe tooltip before, and I wanted to see if that's useful now that we can do it properly. The current nesting looks okay to me (

[Recipe: Vial of the Sands] is an example), so I'd like to hear a bit more about what makes the old behavior more desirable before making changes. — foxlit (talk) 22:13, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

To me, it seems like it would be better to be able to mouse over the name of the item and see the tooltip rather than have it embedded within another tooltip. While it may not look TOO terrible on Vial of the Sands (I disagree that it looks okay), something with a longer tooltip than a mount (like

[Plans: Imperial Plate Shoulders]) would be absolutely ridiculous. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:39, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

There are situations when you can't mouse over an item link: it might already be in a hover tooltip, or perhaps javascript is disabled. Recipe vendor pages, like Sal Farraga, would certinly be a lot less awkward with nested tooltips.

It bears pointing out that the "absolutely ridiculous" nesting format is used by virtually everything: the WoW client, community site, wowhead, sigrie all display information about the item being made -- because it's useful, and perhaps not quite as ridiculous as you would imagine.

Based on your example, I think you're objecting over the increased length of the tooltip -- but since

[Plans: Imperial Plate Shoulders] doesn't actually use itemtip, it's a bit hard to actually figure out what that'd look like, and whether we need to change anything. I'd say give it time; if there are non-hypothetical pages that end up being negatively impacted by this, we can always look at ways of making it even more awesome. — foxlit (talk) 13:40, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

If it becomes too troublesome, we could put the created item to the side like we do the dual-faction tooltips. --Pcj (T•C) 13:52, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Itemlink

Is there an argument to prevent the page from being item-linked? We need it for things like Frostmourne, Ashbringer, and the Skull of Gul'dan which should never be linked as items. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:01, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

|noilink= will suppress the defaultlink formatting. --k_d³ 19:04, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Frostmourne, Ashbringer, The Skull of Gul'dan. Note that there's no tool/itemtip on Skull of Gul'dan anyway...--k_d³ 19:08, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

After a quick discussion on IRC, I implemented another solution that doesn't use the noilink parameter, which may not be long for the world. See Frostmourne vs

[Frostmourne], Ashbringer vs Ashbringer (item). If we wind up with another artifact that gets a tooltip or a blizz display, this'll probably be the solution we use going forward. --k_d³ 17:49, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

That's probably a better solution anyway. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:14, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Vendor cost

Just curious, what was the rationale behind removing the cost that vendors sell items for from the tooltip? -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:58, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Tooltip's |vendor= argument was only used on the item's own page, where the "Source" section typically provides a more readable description of how the item can be acquired. It's the difference between "Vendor: 1

" in a tooltip miles down the page, and "... in exchange for

[Leggings of the Forgotten Vanquisher]" rather close to the top (see for instance Thunderheart Leggings). — foxlit (talk) 13:02, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Alright, that makes sense. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:14, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

ifexpr vs. plural

Maybe {{plural:$1|charge|charges}}? Strizh (talk) 15:08, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Certain template arguments can't be set in stone

Attributes, resistances, sockets, and effects are currently regimented and cannot be changed. This isn't the way the actual tooltips are in the game and the armory; they are often placed differently and not in line with some set list. We need to be able to adjust such stats as necessary. Meta sockets are not always placed last. Crit. strike is not always place before haste rating. If I was a first-time visitor to Wowpedia and started comparing such things to the Armory and Wowhead, it would make me wonder why Wowpedia's tool tips are not accurate, and what else might not be accurate. I realize that changing this is likely not easy, but honestly it's driving me up the wall.--Mondoblasto (talk) 21:32, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Do you have an example of items that are different compared to in-game and on Wowpedia? --g0urra[T҂C] 21:44, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

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+== Nested recipe tooltips ==
-{{npcbox
+This currently causes recipes to display a tooltip within a tooltip. Can you edit this so that the created item is linked rather than embedded? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 21:47, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
-| image = Hakkar2.jpg
+: This is, at least in part, intentional -- we've never been able to properly include information about the item created in the recipe tooltip before, and I wanted to see if that's useful now that we can do it properly. The current nesting looks okay to me ([[Recipe: Vial of the Sands]] is an example), so I'd like to hear a bit more about what makes the old behavior more desirable before making changes. &mdash; [[User:Foxlit|foxlit]] ([[User talk:Starlightblunder|talk]]) 22:13, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
-| titles = The Soulflayer, The Blood God, The Faceless One, The Loa of Blood
+::To me, it seems like it would be better to be able to mouse over the name of the item and see the tooltip rather than have it embedded within another tooltip. While it may not look TOO terrible on Vial of the Sands (I disagree that it looks okay), something with a longer tooltip than a mount (like [[Plans: Imperial Plate Shoulders]]) would be absolutely ridiculous. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 00:39, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
-| name = Hakkar the Soulflayer
+:::There are situations when you ''can't'' mouse over an item link: it might already be in a hover tooltip, or perhaps javascript is disabled. Recipe vendor pages, like [[Sal Farraga]], would certinly be a lot less awkward with nested tooltips.
-| gender = Male
+:::It bears pointing out that the "absolutely ridiculous" nesting format is used by virtually everything: the WoW client, [http://us.battle.net/wow/en/item/12687 community site], [http://www.wowhead.com/item=12687 wowhead], [http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/12687/plans-imperial-plate-shoulders/ sigrie] all display information about the item being made -- because it's ''useful,'' and perhaps not quite as ridiculous as you would imagine.
-| faction = Neutral
+:::Based on your example, I think you're objecting over the increased length of the tooltip -- but since [[Plans: Imperial Plate Shoulders]] doesn't actually use itemtip, it's a bit hard to actually figure out what that'd look like, and whether we need to change anything. I'd say give it time; if there are non-hypothetical pages that end up being negatively impacted by this, we can always look at ways of making it even more awesome. &mdash; [[User:Foxlit|foxlit]] ([[User talk:Starlightblunder|talk]]) 13:40, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
-| race = Eternal
+::::If it becomes too troublesome, we ''could'' put the created item to the side like we do the dual-faction tooltips. --{{User:Pcj/sig}} 13:52, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
-| affiliation = Himself, [[Gurubashi]]
-| status = Active
-| relatives = [[Wind Serpent|Wind serpents]] (children), [[Vale Screecher]]s (cousins)<ref name="Screecher">{{questlong|Neutral|45|Screecher Spirits}}</ref>
-| creature = Uncategorized
-| location = [[Spirit world]]
-| instance=Zul'Gurub
-}}
+==Itemlink==
-'''Hakkar the Soulflayer''', Blood God of the [[Gurubashi]] trolls, is a malevolent and destructive creature that controls the [[Gurubashi Empire]]'s fallen capital of [[Zul'Gurub]]. He is possibly the only deity<ref>http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/encyclopedia/417.xml</ref> that is part of the [[Loa|troll pantheon]],<ref name="WoS"/> the rest of whom are more powerful than elementals but not as powerful as gods.<ref>''[[Magic & Mayhem]]'', page 46</ref> He is the Loa of Blood.<ref>[[Quest:Dark Vessels (Alliance)]]</ref>
+Is there an argument to prevent the page from being item-linked? We need it for things like Frostmourne, Ashbringer, and the Skull of Gul'dan which should never be linked as items. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 22:01, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
+:<code>|noilink=</code> will suppress the defaultlink formatting. --<span style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;cursor:help;" title="Wowpedia bureaucrat">[[User:Kaydeethree|k]]_[[User_talk:Kaydeethree|d]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Kaydeethree|3]]</sup></span> 19:04, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
+::[[Frostmourne]], [[Ashbringer]], [[The Skull of Gul'dan]]. Note that there's no tool/itemtip on Skull of Gul'dan anyway...--<span style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;cursor:help;" title="Wowpedia bureaucrat">[[User:Kaydeethree|k]]_[[User_talk:Kaydeethree|d]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Kaydeethree|3]]</sup></span> 19:08, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
+:::After a quick discussion on IRC, I implemented another solution that doesn't use the noilink parameter, which may not be long for the world. See [[Frostmourne]] vs [[Frostmourne (BlizzCon 2007)]], [[Ashbringer]] vs [[Ashbringer (item)]]. If we wind up with another artifact that gets a tooltip or a blizz display, this'll probably be the solution we use going forward. --<span style="border-bottom: 1px dotted;cursor:help;" title="Wowpedia bureaucrat">[[User:Kaydeethree|k]]_[[User_talk:Kaydeethree|d]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Kaydeethree|3]]</sup></span> 17:49, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
+::::That's probably a better solution anyway. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 18:14, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
+==Vendor cost==
-Hakkar the Soulflayer was the [[Hakkar the Soulflayer (tactics)|final boss]] of the [[Zul'Gurub (raid)|Zul'Gurub raid]] until it was removed with [[patch 4.0.3a]] and Zul'Gurub was turned into an ordinary subzone of [[Northern Stranglethorn]] that is empty except for a few quests that take place there. The fate of the blood god remains a mystery; Hakkar's servants were apparently defeated, however whether they succeeded in summoning him into Azeroth in the lore is unknown. [[Zin'rokh, Destroyer of Worlds#History|Rumors]] point out that Hakkar might return one day.
+Just curious, what was the rationale behind removing the cost that vendors sell items for from the tooltip? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 22:58, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
+: Tooltip's |vendor= argument was only used on the item's own page, where the "Source" section typically provides a more readable description of how the item can be acquired. It's the difference between "Vendor: {{costitem|1|Leggings of the Forgotten Vanquisher}}" in a tooltip miles down the page, and "... in exchange for [[Leggings of the Forgotten Vanquisher]]" rather close to the top (see for instance [[:Thunderheart Leggings]]). &mdash; [[User:Foxlit|foxlit]] ([[User talk:Starlightblunder|talk]]) 13:02, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
+::Alright, that makes sense. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 18:14, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
+== ifexpr vs. plural ==
-==Biographie==
+Maybe <nowiki>{{plural:$1|charge|charges}}</nowiki>? [[User:Strizh|Strizh]] ([[User talk:Strizh|talk]]) 15:08, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
-===Ancient times===
-The long centuries following the [[Great Sundering]] of the world were difficult ones for the [[troll]] race. Famine and terror were commonplace within the broken kingdoms. The [[Gurubashi]]  trolls, driven to desperate ends, sought aid from ancient, mystical forces. Though both of the troll kingdoms shared a central belief in a great pantheon of primitive gods, the Gurubashi fell under the sway of the darkest one.<ref name="WoS"/>
+== Certain template arguments can't be set in stone ==
-Hakkar the Soulflayer, a vile, bloodthirsty spirit, heard the trolls' call and decided to aid them. Hakkar gave his secrets of blood to the Gurubashi and helped them extend their civilization across most of [[Stranglethorn Vale]] and certain islands of the South Seas. Though he brought them great power, Hakkar wanted more and more for his efforts.<ref name="WoS"/> He filled his adherents with murderous rage and reveled in their dark emotions. The carnage that invariably followed Hakkar suited him perfectly, for having consumed blood, he had developed a taste for it. Worse, he became more powerful as he consumed the blood shed in his name, and his tie to the world that was feeding him grew stronger.<ref>http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/story/trolls/othertrolls.html</ref>
+Attributes, resistances, sockets, and effects are currently regimented and cannot be changed.  This isn't the way the actual tooltips are in the game and the armory; they are often placed differently and not in line with some set list.  We need to be able to adjust such stats as necessary.  Meta sockets are not always placed last.  Crit. strike is not always place before haste rating.  If I was a first-time visitor to Wowpedia and started comparing such things to the Armory and Wowhead, it would make me wonder why Wowpedia's tool tips are not accurate, and what else might not be accurate.  I realize that changing this is likely not easy, but honestly it's driving me up the wall.--[[User:Mondoblasto|Mondoblasto]] ([[User talk:Mondoblasto|talk]]) 21:32, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
+:Do you have an example of items that are different compared to in-game and on Wowpedia? --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 21:44, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
-The bloodthirsty god demanded souls be sacrificed to him daily. He dreamed of gaining access to the physical world so he could devour the blood of all mortal creatures. In time the Gurubashi realized what kind of creature they had courted with — and turned against him. The strongest tribes rose up against Hakkar and his loyal priests — the [[Atal'ai]].<ref name="WoS"/>
-The terrible war that ensued between Hakkar's followers and the rest of the Gurubashi tribes is spoken of only in whispers. The budding empire was shattered by the magic unleashed between the angry god and his rebel children. Just as the battle seemed most hopeless, the trolls succeeded in destroying Hakkar's avatar and banishing him from the world.<ref name="WoS"/>
-Even his Atal'ai priests were eventually driven from the capital of [[Zul'Gurub]] and forced to survive in the uncharted swamplands of the north. Within those shadowy fens they built a great temple to their fallen god — Atal'Hakkar — where they could continue to do their master's work.<ref name="WoS">[[Wrath of Soulflayer]]</ref>
-===Temple of Atal'Hakkar===
-{{main|Avatar of Hakkar}}
-[[Image:Avatar of Hakkar.jpg|thumb|Avatar of Hakkar]]
-Though the priests were defeated and ultimately exiled, the great troll empire buckled in upon itself. The exiled priests fled far to the north, into the [[Swamp of Sorrows]]. There they erected a [[Temple of Atal'Hakkar|great temple to Hakkar]] — where they could prepare for his arrival into the physical world. The great [[dragon]] [[Aspect]], [[Ysera]], learned of the Atal'ai's plans and smashed the temple beneath the marshes. To this day, the temple's drowned ruins are guarded by the green dragons who prevent anyone from getting in or out. However, it is believed that some of the fanatical Atal'ai may have survived Ysera's wrath — and recommitted themselves to the dark service of Hakkar.<ref>[http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/worlddungeons.html#The%20Sunken%20Temple WoW -> Info -> Basics -> World Dungeons (The Sunken Temple)] (Retrieved 09-10-2010)</ref>
-Their spiritual leader, [[Jammal'an]], had what he called a prophecy. He believed the summoning of Hakkar will bring the Atal'ai immortality. They even prepared a dark ritual to call the [[Avatar of Hakkar]] back into the physical world, but it was finally thwarted by a group of heroic [[adventurer]]s assaulting the temple.<ref>{{questlong|Neutral|53|Jammal'an the Prophet}}</ref>
-===Zul'Gurub===
-[[File:Hakkar.jpg|thumb|Hakkar in Zul'Gurub]]
-{{main|Hakkar (tactics)}}
-In time, the Atal'ai priests discovered that Hakkar's physical form could only be summoned within the ancient capital of the [[Gurubashi Empire]], [[Zul'Gurub]]. Unfortunately, the priests have met with recent success in their quest to call forth Hakkar — reports confirm the presence of the dreaded Soulflayer in the heart of the Gurubashi ruins.
-In order to quell the blood god, the trolls of the land banded together and sent a contingent of [[High Priest]]s into the ancient city. Each priest was a powerful champion of the [[Primal Gods]] — [[Bat]], [[Panther]], [[Tiger]], [[Spider]], and [[Snake]] — but despite their best efforts, they fell under the sway of Hakkar. Now the champions and their Primal God aspects feed the awesome power of the Soulflayer. Any adventurers brave enough to venture into the foreboding ruins must overcome the High Priests if they are to have any hope of confronting the mighty blood god.<ref>[http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/zulgurub.html WoW -> Info -> Under Development -> Zulgurub] [''sic''] (Retrieved 09-10-2010)</ref>
-After the Soulflayer was defeated [[Heart of Hakkar|his cursed heart]], the still burning kernel of Hakkar's power, was brought to [[Molthor]] in the hope the [[Zandalar tribe|Zandalarian trolls]] would know how to destroy it.<ref>[[Quest:The Heart of Hakkar]]</ref>
-===Cataclysm===
-{{cata-section}}
-[[File:Hakkar4.1Trailer.jpg|thumb|Hakkar in the [[Patch 4.1]] Trailer]]
-Several years after the defeat of Hakkar in Zul'Gurub, the [[Atal'ai]] in the [[Sanctum of the Fallen God]] have recovered a significant portion of his skeleton and seek to restore Hakkar back to life. Already his children have begun to show up in the area.<ref>[[Quest:The Blood God Hakkar]]</ref>
-Meanwhile, [[Jin'do]] recovered the body of two high priests, [[High Priest Venoxis]] and [[High Priestess Jeklik]], and then enlisted the aid of [[Zanzil the Outcast]] to resurrect them in the service of Hakkar. Though agents of the [[Zandalar Tribe]] attempted to stop both rituals, they only succeeded in destroying Jeklik's body. It's unclear exactly, but Jin'do requires [[Bloodlord Mandokir]] to summon Hakkar, while Mandokir requires [[Ohgan'aka]], daughter of [[Ohgan]], he closest and most trusted friend.
-Sometime after wanting to stop Jin'do from summoning Hakkar, the Zandalar trolls unite most of the tribes and aid in restoring Zul'Gurub to its former glory. They hope to use Hakkar in order to wage war of the other races of Azeroth, to save their kind from destruction.
-Adventures in [[Zul'Gurub]] can witness Jin'do, now going by name "the Godbreaker," holding Hakkar in submission and stripping out his power to infuse into himself. To stop the invincible Jin'do, adventures will have to release the captive upon the captor.
-==Quests==
-Currently the following quests involve Hakkar:
-*[[Quest:The Blood God Hakkar]]
-Before [[patch 4.0.3a]] the following quests dealt with the attempts to resurrect or defeat him:
-*[[Quest:Screecher Spirits]]
-*[[Quest:The Prophecy of Mosh'aru]]
-*[[Quest:The Ancient Egg]]
-*[[Quest:The God Hakkar]]
-*[[Quest:The Lost Tablets of Mosh'aru]]
-*[[Quest:The Final Tablets]]
-*[[Quest:Confront Yeh'kinya]]
-*[[Quest:The Hand of Rastakhan]]
-*[[Quest:The Heart of Hakkar]]
-==Quotes==
-;Aggro
-*{{text|yell|'''Hakkar the Soulflayer:''' PRIDE HERALDS THE END OF YOUR WORLD. COME, MORTALS! FACE THE WRATH OF THE SOULFLAYER!}}
-===Dialogue in the Jin'do the Godbreaker encounter===
-*{{text|yell|'''Hakkar the Soulflayer:''' Your deceit is unforgivable, Jin'do! You spit in the face of a god!}}
-*{{text|yell|'''Hakkar the Soulflayer:''' Be freed, insects. I will deal with you another time.}}
-*{{text|yell|'''Hakkar the Soulflayer:''' You overstepped your bounds, Jin'do! You toy with powers that are beyond you. Have you forgotten who I am? Have you forgotten what I can do?}}
-==Trivia==
-*The [[Vale Screecher]]s are called the cousins of Hakkar, and their spirits seem to be linked to him.<ref name="Screecher"/>
-*Hakkar the Soulflayer is known only as "Hakkar" in his appearance as a boss in Zul'Gurub.
-===The Corrupted Blood Incident===
-{{main|Corrupted Blood}}
-Shortly after Zul'Gurub's original release several players across many servers found that his debuff, Corrupted Blood (which takes away health and is highly contagious, yet can't leave the instance on players) could be carried out on warlock minions or hunter pets. When they did this they unleashed a massive, in-game epidemic that killed low level players in seconds and allowed higher levels enough time to corrupt others. Blizzard, who didn't see it coming at first, eventually reset all the servers and made it impossible to carry it out on a pet.
-===Houndmaster and Soulflayer===
-According to an interview, [[Hakkar the Houndmaster]] and Hakkar the Soulflayer are two different entities:
-{{elink|type=blizzplanet|link=http://www.blizzplanet.com/content/176/|desc=Richard A. Knaak: War of the Ancients: The Sundering}}
-:'''Richard A. Knaak:'''
-:''"Hakkar first existed in WELL OF ETERNITY, as Hakkar the Houndmaster, my creation. Blizzard must have liked the name, because they accidentally took the name afterward for the troll god. Chris Metzen apologized for the mix-up at the L.A. Festival of Books."''
-===Myth===
-Physically, Hakkar seems to resemble the Mesoamerican deity "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quetzalcoatl Quetzalcoatl]" or "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kukulkan Kukulkan]," both of which can be translated "Feathered Serpent". This fits in with certain aspects from troll architecture and culture, which resemble those of the Aztec and Maya, both of whom revered the Feathered Serpent.
-==Speculation==
-{{Speculation}}
-===Faceless one===
-{{seealso|Faceless one}}
-According to the [[Zandalar]] troll [[Molthor]], one of his titles is "The faceless one". [[Primal Torntusk]] calls him "the faceless blood God" in a quest.<ref>{{questlong|Horde|50|Dark Vessels}}</ref> Also, Hakkar drops a piece of loot called {{loot|epic|Fang of the Faceless}}. Though this in-game text specifically uses the words "The faceless one" for Hakkar the Soulflayer, it not known if he has any connection with the creatures encountered beneath Northrend, but he may.
-===Old God Speculation===
-There is a possibility that Hakkar is actually an Old God. ''Lands of Mystery'' says that long ago, at the [[Temple of Atal'Hakkar]], the trolls attempted to summon and control Hakkar, an old god of theirs.<ref>''[[Lands of Conflict]]'', page 59</ref> [[Brann Bronzebeard]] believes that perhaps Hakkar is the child of an Old God (due to his seeming connection to the Emerald Dream).<ref>''[[Horde Player's Guide]]'', page 185</ref> [[Yeh'kinya]] calls Hakkar "an old, old god" and "the old god of which I spoke" in a quest.<ref name="Screecher"/> It is also possible that Hakkar is just a god that is old.
-Note that Hakkar is significantly weaker then the two other Old Gods that have currently been portrayed, and is neither chained up in a titan prison nor dead. It is possible that he is a minion of the Old Gods, or some kind of avatar of an Old God. He may be a [[Loa]] that is in league with the Old Gods.
-[[Al'Akir]] has been said to take the form of a "winged serpent" (implied to be a wind serpent).<ref>''[[Shadows & Light]]'', page 100</ref> As Al'Akir and Hakkar both have a connection to wind serpents, and Al'Akir has a connection to the Old Gods, Hakkar may be connected to the Old gods as well. However, this is not necessarily the case.
-Trolls worshiping the Old Gods is not unknown.<ref>''[[Magic & Mayhem]]'', page 22</ref> The forest trolls of [[Zul'Aman]] worship [[Ula-Tek]], the serpent goddess. Ula-Tek is perhaps an Old God. The [[Dark Iron clan]] seems to think so.<ref>''[[Lands of Conflict]]'', pages 115-118</ref>
-This theory ''may'' be supported by the "faceless one" theory above.
-===Connection to the Emerald Nightmare===
-It is implied by [[Itharius]] that [[Eranikus]] falling to the [[Emerald Nightmare]] was caused by Hakkar.<ref>[[Itharius#Conversation_with_Itharius]]</ref> [[Malfurion Stormrage]] claims that the Old Gods are behind the Nightmare.<ref>[[Malfurion_Stormrage#In_World_of_Warcraft]]</ref> Eranikus himself does not clearly comment on this issue.<ref>{{questlong|Neutral|55|The Essence of Eranikus}}</ref> This may mean that Hakkar is at least partially behind the Emerald Nightmare, and thus in league with the Old Gods in some form (or is one himself), or that Hakkar merely weakened Eranikus enough for the Nightmare to take hold.
-The [[Wailing Caverns]], a location corrupted by the Nightmare, is similarly snake-themed, implying a possible connection.
-This connection is not mentioned in quests surrounding Zul'Gurub, or in quests surrounding [[Eranikus, Tyrant of the Dream|Eranikus' redemption]]. It is also not touched upon in ''[[Stormrage]]''.
-It is also stated by Itharius that the Atal'ai at the Temple of Atal'Hakkar are using Hakkar's blood to make green dragons fall to the Emerald Nightmare, so that Hakkar can feed off of the evil produced by this.<ref>{{questlong|Neutral|54|Step Two: The Bloodletter}}</ref> This may mean that he just corrupts the dragons, and is not related to the Nightmare itself.
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