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| + | I totaly agre with this merger of {{t|Alliance Icon Small}}, {{t|Horde Icon Small}} and {{t|Neutral Icon Small}} as well as the larger versions {{t|Alliance Icon}}, {{t|Horde Icon}} and {{t|Neutral Icon}} - but to take some of the work load off -- I think we should change the redirects on {{t|Alliance}} and {{t|Horde}} template to be {{t|FactionIcon|Alliance|small}} for {{t|Alliance}} and {{t|FactionIcon|Horde|small}} for {{t|Horde}} and make <nowiki>{{Neutral}}</nowiki> be {{t|FactionIcon|Neutral|small}} ((After the old <nowiki>{{Neutral}}</nowiki> template has been changed to its proper {{t|Reputation|neutral}} format)) -- that way we can still use the {{t|Alliance}} and {{t|Horde}} templates and not have to replace them all ( my opinion). -- {{:User:Jrooksjr/SigX}} 22:17, 22 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | [[File:RunesOfGul'dan.jpg|thumb|An orcish rune.]] |
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| + | :I was personally thinking more the other way around. {{t|alliance}} and {{t|horde}} is terribly convenient. Put parameters on these for the (less frequent) need for the other icons. But that assumption may be in correct, which is why I put it up for discussion. {{User:Howbizr/sign}} 10:57 PM, 26 Jul 2009 (EDT) |
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| − | '''Orcish''' (called '''Orc''' in the pre-[[WoW]] [[Warcraft RPG]] books) is the primary [[language]] of the [[orc]]s and is used throughout the [[Horde]] [[faction]]. All Horde characters understand Orcish speech, even without explicit lore reasons (such as the [[Forsaken]] and the [[blood elves]]). Orcish is written using a combination of [[Common (language)|Common]] alphabet and runes.{{Cite|WoWRPG|}} {{Cite|WRPG}} {{Cite|LoM}} |
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| + | ::At the moment {{t|Alliance}} and {{t|Horde}} both redirect to {{t|Alliance Icon Small}} and {{t|Horde Icon Small}} - going with your idea of merging the individual Icon template {{t|Alliance Icon}}, {{t|Alliance Icon Small}}, {{t|Horde Icon}}, {{t|Horde Icon Small}}, {{t|Neutral Icon}}, and {{t|Neutral Icon Small}} could be all merged into the template {{t|FactionIcon}} since it does both sized for all 3 factions - 1 main template -- and we can change {{t|Alliance}} and {{t|Horde}} to no longer be redirects but become shortcuts to <nowiki>{{FactionIcon|Alliance|small}} and {{FactionIcon|Horde|small}}</nowiki>. We can then keep {{t|Alliance}} and {{t|Horde}} on all pages as they are -- and just change the pages that use teh Large and Neutral icons -- or better yet since {{t|Neutral}} no longer is used as a Reputation template it can be the <nowiki>{{FactionIcon|Neutral|Small}}</nowiki> counterpart? -- {{:User:Jrooksjr/SigX}} 03:29, 27 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| + | :::That's fine. Side note, maybe it's {{t|FactionIcon}} that's missing combat support that was the problem with {{t|NPC}}. {{User:Howbizr/sign}} 12:00 AM, 27 Jul 2009 (EDT) |
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| + | I would think to make things easier and have to type out less, that small would be the default instead of the large versions. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 04:56, September 12, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Orcish is a coarser language than Common, and many words lack the subtlety of Common. Orcs rely on context, repetition and volume to add emphasis or meaning.{{Cite|HPG|134}} There are many orc dialects, examples include one spoken by the majority of the Horde, and another by orcs living near [[Durnholde]].{{Cite|LoC|27}} Even separate tribes had variations of dialect that differed so much that orcs could not understand each other unless they spoke the common tongue.{{Cite|RotH|21}} The main form of the Orcish language used by all the tribes is known as common Orcish{{Cite|RotH|40}}. |
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| + | == Sort order == |
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| − | ==Orcish Primer (official translations)== |
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| − | Here are a few common orcish phrases and words, for which the translations have been officially confirmed by [[Blizzard Entertainment|Blizzard]]: |
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| + | ! Dev |
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| + | |{{FactionIcon/dev|Alliance|sort=}} |
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| + | |{{FactionIcon/dev|Combat|sort=}} |
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| + | |{{FactionIcon/dev|Horde|sort=}} |
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| + | |{{FactionIcon/dev|Neutral|sort=}} |
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| + | |{{FactionIcon/dev|Aldor|sort=}} |
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| + | |{{FactionIcon/dev|Scryers|sort=}} |
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| + | {| class="darktable sortable" style="float:right; margin-left:1em" |
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| − | * "Aka'Magosh" = "A blessing on you and yours" {{cite|HPG|134}} |
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| − | * "Bin mog g'thazag cha" = "I will protect you" {{cite|LotC|138}} |
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| + | ! Live |
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| − | * "Dabu" = "I obey" {{cite|HPG|134}} |
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| − | * "[[Daemon|Dae'mon]]" = "Twisted soul" {{cite|RotH|311}}; appears to be used in the same way as [[Man'ari]] in [[Draenei (language)|Draenei]]. |
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| − | * "[[Dranosh Saurfang|Dranosh]]" = "Heart of Draenor" |
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| − | * "[[Gar'mak]]" = "Anguish" |
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| − | * "Gol'Kosh" = "By my axe" {{cite|HPG|134}} |
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| − | * "Grombolar" = "Bowels of the giant" {{Cite|W2Man|84}} |
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| − | * "[[Grommash]]" = "Giant's Heart" <ref>Inscription on the Monument to [[Grom Hellscream]] in [[Ashenvale]]; also mentioned in the [[Harvest Festival]] quest "{{quest|Honoring a Hero (Horde)|Honoring A Hero}}"</ref> |
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| − | * "Kagh!" = "Run!" {{cite|HPG|134}} / {{cite|LotC|138}} |
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| − | * "[[Lak'tuk]]" = "Suffering" |
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| − | * "[[Lo'Gosh]]" = "[[Ghost Wolf]]" |
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| − | * "Lohn'goron" = "Hero's Sojourn" <ref>{{quest|Lohn'goron, Bow of the Torn-heart}}</ref> |
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| − | * "Lok-Narash" = "Arm yourselves" {{cite|HPG|134}} |
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| − | * "Lok-Regar" = "Ready for orders" [http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=58554] |
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| − | * "Lok'tar!" = "Victory!" (A war cry. Also a greeting while in combat.) {{cite|HPG|134}} |
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| − | * "Lok'tar ogar" = "Victory or death" (A war cry) {{cite|HPG|134}}<ref>{{quest|The Battle For The Undercity (Alliance)}}, "The orcs have a battle cry: LOK'TAR OGAR! It means "victory or death."</ref> |
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| − | * "Lok'amon" = Traditional orcish song sung about starting a family. {{Cite|CoH|34}} |
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| − | * "Lok'tra" = Traditional orcish song sung about a battle. {{Cite|CoH|34}} |
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| − | * "[[Lok'vadnod]]" = Traditional orcish song sung about the life of a hero. {{Cite|CoH|34}} |
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| − | * "[[Mag'har]]" = "Uncorrupted" {{cite|BtDP|355}}, brown-skinned orcs based in [[Garadar]] in [[Nagrand]]. |
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| − | * "Mok'nathal" = "The Sons of Nath" (honorable title) {{cite|HPG|156}} |
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| − | * "[[Nagrand]]" = "Land of Winds"{{Cite|RotH|21}} |
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| − | * "[[Oshu'Gun]]" = "Mountain of Spirits"{{Cite|RotH|21}} |
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| − | * "Swobu" = "As you command" {{cite|HPG|134}} |
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| − | * "Throm-Ka" = "Well met" (A greeting.) {{cite|HPG|134}} |
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| − | * "Trk'hsk" = "Bloodshed in battle" (some orcs in the [[Durnholde]] area use the word with a different meaning, namely "that sacrificed to the earth" in order to make crops grow.){{Cite|LoC|27}} |
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| − | * "Zug-zug" or "Zug zug" = Acknowledgment and agreement; roughly the equivalent of "okay". {{cite|HPG|134}} |
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| − | ===Orcish Names=== |
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| − | Most orcish names derive from words in their language that have some complex meaning or hidden significance to their families. Typically, this is the name of a favorite thing or relative. Family names don't exist; most orcs have last names related to some great deed of heroism or honor. However, in the case of truly incredible deeds, an orc might take on the last name of his father to ensure that the chronicle of that terrific deed lives on.{{cite|WoWRPG|46}} The concept of honor is seen in every level of orc society, even in their naming practices. An orc’s first name is given early in life, often derived from a family name or the name of a great hero. The tribe bestows the second name after the orc reaches maturity, this name based upon some great deed. Such a practice gives rise to surnames such as Doomhammer, Elfkicker, Foe-ender, Skullsplitter, Thumper, and the like. This second name may be changed if a new one seems more appropriate.{{cite|WRPG|50}} |
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| − | *Male Names: Grom, Thrum, Drog, Gorrum, Harg, Thurg, Karg. |
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| − | *Female Names: Groma, Hargu, Igrim, Agra, Dragga, Grima. |
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| − | *Family Names: Doomhammer, Deadeye, Forebinder, Elfkiller, Skullsplitter, Axeripper, Tearshorn, Fistcrusher. |
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| − | {{Cite|WoWRPG|46}} |
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| − | === Untranslated Orcish phrases=== |
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| − | * '''[[Gor'gaz Outpost|Gor'gaz]]''' - [[Fel orc]] camp in [[Hellfire Peninsula]]. |
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| − | * '''[[Grangol'var Village|Grangol'var]]''' - [[Shadow Council]] village in [[Terokkar Forest]]. |
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| − | * '''[[Grom'gol Base Camp|Grom'gol]]''' - [[Horde]] camp in [[Stranglethorn Vale]]. Probably means "Giant's Axe" or "Giant Axe." |
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| − | * '''Gor-dook''' - Warcraft II (phonetic spelling) |
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| − | * '''[[Kor'kron Guard|Kor'kron]]''' - [[Thrall]]'s elite guard, possibly means "Sons of the Horde". |
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| − | * '''[[Kosh'harg]]''' - An orcish celebration. |
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| − | * '''Mak'gora''' - Said by [[Garrosh Hellscream]],<ref>[[Scourge Invasion#Orgrimmar|Scourge Invasion in Orgrimmar]]</ref><ref>http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/misc/wccomic/issue-19-sneakpeek.html</ref> believed to be a challenge. |
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| − | * '''Mok'ra''' - a greeting by the orcish NPCs in World of Warcraft (phonetic spelling). |
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| − | * '''Mok-thorin ka!''' - said by [[Commander Kolurg]] |
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| − | * '''[[Mor'shan Base Camp|Mor'shan]]''' - [[Warsong Gulch]] base camp in [[the Barrens]]. |
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| − | * '''[[Om'riggor]] - Orcish rite of adulthood. |
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| − | * '''[[Valormok]]''' - Horde camp in [[Azshara]]. |
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| − | * '''[[Zeth'Gor]]''' - Fel orc fort in Hellfire Peninsula. |
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| − | * '''[[Zeth'kur]]''' - Former orcish port town. |
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| − | * '''[[Zoram'gar Outpost|Zoram'gar]]''' - Horde camp in eastern [[Ashenvale]]. This may also be [[Zandali]]. |
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| − | * '''Lok-regar ogull, on-dabu''' - Warcraft III (phonetic spelling) |
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| − | Note that many [[orc]] locations are directly named for prominent [[orc]]s, including [[Bladefist Bay]], [[Durotar]], [[Garadar]], [[Grommash Hold]], [[Kargath]], [[Kargathia Keep]], [[Orgrimmar]], and [[Thrallmar]]. Further, it can be noted that -ar or -mar seems to be a frequent suffix to denote a place named for another orc. |
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| − | == Orcish / Common Dictionary == |
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| − | The following appear in the "[[Orcish / Common Dictionary]]" found in eastern [[Dalaran]]. |
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| − | *BUR - An aggressively passionate mating call. |
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| − | *What can I do fer ye? - Beer sold here. |
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| − | *Hi - A threatening war cry, especially when accompanied by a wave or bow. |
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| − | *How are you? - Was your mother really a reptile? |
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| − | *King's Honor, friend! - I'm starving! |
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| − | ==Sample Words or Phrases (speculation) == |
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| − | {{Speculation}} |
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| − | This is the list of words created by the in-game language parser for the Orcish language, and is listed as language number one (word range 1-100) in the Language text file. |
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| − | Note: The language algorithm used by the in-game "translator" merely makes the words ''look'' like Orcish. It does not actually translate words. Therefore, translated in-game speech isn't true Orcish. |
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| + | |{{FactionIcon|Alliance|sort=}} |
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| − | | One-letter words || A, N, G, O, L |
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| − | | Two-letter words || Ha, Ko, No, Mu, Ag, Ka, Gi, Il |
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| − | | Three-letter words || Lok, Tar, Kaz, Ruk, Kek, Mog, Zug, Gul, Nuk, Aaz, Kil, Ogg |
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| − | | Four-letter words || Rega, Nogu, Tago, Uruk, Kagg, Zaga, Grom, Ogar, Gesh, Thok, Dogg, Maka, Maza |
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| − | | Five-letter words || Regas, Nogah, Kazum, Magan, No'bu, Golar, Throm, Zugas, Re'ka, No'ku, Ro'th |
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| − | | Six-letter words || Thrakk, Revash, Nakazz, Moguna, No'gor, Goth'a, Raznos, Ogerin, Gezzno, Thukad, Makogg, Aaz'no |
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| − | | Seven-letter words || Lok'Tar, Gul'rok, Kazreth, Tov'osh, Zil'Nok, Rath'is, Kil'azi |
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| − | | Eight-letter words || Throm'ka, Osh'Kava, Gul'nath, Kog'zela, Ragath'a, Zuggossh, Moth'aga |
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| − | | Nine-letter words || Tov'nokaz, Osh'kazil, No'throma, Gesh'nuka, Lok'mogul, Lok'bolar, Ruk'ka'ha |
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| − | | Ten-letter words || Regasnogah, Kazum'nobu, Throm'bola, Gesh'zugas, Maza'rotha, Ogerin'naz |
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| − | | Eleven-letter words || Thrakk'reva, Kaz'goth'no, No'gor'goth, Kil'azi'aga, Zug-zug'ama, Maza'thrakk |
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| − | | Twelve-letter words || Lokando'nash, Ul'gammathar, Golgonnashar, Dalggo'mazah |
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| − | | Thirteen-letter words || Khaz'rogg'ahn, Moth'kazoroth |
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| + | I think this is a more reasonable sort order ({{t|FactionIcon/dev}}). Does anyone disagree? {{User:Howbizr/sign}} 6:31 PM, 13 Aug 2009 (EDT) |
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| − | ===Word List (speculation)=== |
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| − | * '''[[Grom'gol Base Camp|Grom'gol]]''' - [[Horde]] camp in [[Stranglethorn Vale]]. - Grom being an honor to Grom Hellscream (as well as an Orcish word for "giant"), and Gol probably (based on defined terms in primer) means "By my" or "Axe" so it could be speculated to mean "Grom's Axe", "Giant's Axe", "By Grom" and others. |
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| − | * "Hall" - Used in the salutation "Thrall Hall!", probably means "honor" or something similar. Theory #2: It has no specific definition in the orcish language, it is instead used as a multi-purpose word that means glory to the horde/leader (Glory through their leader). The only reason it is Thrall Hall is because it flows naturally and is easy to say/remember (Kind of like why we use nicknames), compare the use of Thrall Hall! to Thrall Honor! or Thrall Hail! |
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| − | *Kek = Lol |
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| − | When a Horde character says "lol" in Orcish, it displays as "kek" to Alliance characters. Since "lol" is used quite often in the game by many players this translation has become widely known, and many fans have accepted "kek" as kind of an official translation of "lol" into Orcish. |
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| − | However there are many other 3-letter combinations that produce the translation "kek", and "lol" isn't really a word in the English language, anyway. |
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| − | Kek's origin is from Starcraft's online service. The original version of the game did not support full Korean language, so the closest a Korean player could get to "Hahaha" in Korean was "Kekeke". |
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| − | [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kekeke#Kekeke] |
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| − | * Grommash has been officially translated as Giant's Heart. Grombolar has been officially translated as Bowels of the Giant. From this it can be inferred that Grom means giant, Mash means heart, and Bolar means bowels: |
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| − | ** "Bolar" = "Bowel(s)" |
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| − | ** "Grom" = "Giant" |
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| − | ** "Mash" = "Heart" |
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| − | === Some more Orcish phrases (speculation) === |
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| − | Although no official translations have been released for them, here are some more Orcish phrases and their rough meanings based on the actions of the units in the RTS games when they say them: |
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| − | * "Lok-Regar Ogull, On-Dabu." = "Ready for orders." |
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| − | In [[Battle for the Undercity|Battle for the Undercity]]: |
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| − | * "Mog Osh'kazil gul'rok il mog Ro'th zaga maza TOV'OSH" = "The [[Undercity|Undercity]] belongs to the Horde once more! LOK'TAR!" |
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| − | ===Naming=== |
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| − | Orcish surnames are usually derived from great acts or merits a previous ancestor was lauded for, but some exceptional orcs earn their own surnames ([[Kilrogg Deadeye]], [[Kargath Bladefist]]), and many prefer to use the names of their fathers ([[Thrall]], Son of [[Durotan]]). Only the family leader can hold an eponymous title (For example, there can only be one Doomhammer or Deadeye at a time), and the rest of the clan identify themselves through their line of birth. |
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| − | Two types of orc names appear to have arisen: two syllables separated by an apostrophe and a simple name shortened from a longer one. The two-syllable ones- Gul'dan, Drak'Thul, Dal'Rend - appear to have initially been only used for spellcaster, but was later exported (Gar'Thok was a Grunt colonel). The second type was highly cultural; only those with powers over the warrior could use their full name, such as Shamans and chieftains, or the orc's personal religious leader. For example [[Brox]]'s full name was Broxigar, a term which he allowed only [[Tyrande]] and [[Krasus]] to use. [[Grom Hellscream]]'s full name was Grommash, which [[Mannoroth]] used to address him as demonstration that Hellscream was his. This is very inconsistent, however, most of the known orcish names (such as [[Durotan]], [[Orgrim]], [[Nazgrel]], [[Kargath Bladefist|Kargath]]) are never documented being used in short forms. |
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| − | == Warcraft 2 == |
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| − | In the warcraft 2 cinematics, orcs randomly says words in orcish like "Moka", "titoo", "glode". These words are however, has never been heard in another blizzard game or translated. |
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| − | ==Notes== |
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| − | {{speculation}} |
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| − | "Orc" as a term defining language, has an apparent connection to DnD derived generic languages, which apparently can be found in DnD rule books. |
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| + | :I figured that {{factionIcon|alliance}}, {{factionIcon|horde}} and {{factionIcon|neutral}} were more impotant factions thant {{factionIcon|Aldor}} and {{factionIcon|Scryers}} so did not put the latter 2 in perfect alpha order with the primaries. So I choose the way the Live version is (personaly). -- {{:User:Jrooksjr/SigX}} 22:55, 13 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | To a degree, phoenetically some of the words resemble Tolkien's Black Speech, which makes sense, since that language was presumably the foundational influence for the sound of this one. It is, however, generally somewhat less guttural and (to use Tolkien's own adjective for the Black Speech) uncouth. |
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| + | ::Ya but... it's not alphabetical. {{User:Howbizr/sign}} 7:05 PM, 13 Aug 2009 (EDT) |
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| − | It also doesn't seem to really be an actual language as such; Blizzard apparently originally invented a few words with an "Orcish" sound to use as acknowledgement phrases when units were clicked on in the earlier Warcraft games, and thus to create consistency, these words were brought over to WoW. The translated vocabulary however is not large, and there is no real formal grammar. The "Orcish" that can be seen apparently being spoken by players in-game is the result of a hash table created by Blizzard, (as mentioned above) and the words produced by it are intentionally meaningless gibberish. |
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| + | :::I agree it is not perfect Aldor, Alliance, Combat, Horde, Neutral, Scryers order but so far I have never see anyone use Aldor up against any other faction other than Scryers, or use Alliance with any other faction other than Horde or Neutral -- in this case it is in Alpha order Alliance will always be before Horde before Neutral and Aldor is always before Scryers. Primaries and then Secondaries, then yes it is in perfect alpha order. -- {{:User:Jrooksjr/SigX}} 23:24, 13 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | In addition, Orcish holds a certain interesting trait. Adjectives appear to come before nouns, similar to English and other Germanic languages. For example, "Grommash," as seen in the primer above, translates to "Giant's Heart". "Giant's" acts like an adjective, modifiying heart. The word "Grombolar," meaning "Bowels of the giant", shares this trait. This, of course, may vary from word to word like in many primitive languages; if this trait remains consistent with the releases of more words, it may add to a new understanding of the complexity of Orcish culture. |
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| + | ::::Going with what you just said, no need to architect for a situation that isn't happening yet. So I'm putting in the alpha sort, so that the template is easier to maintain. If any other icons are added, no changes will be needed to support them. If in the future this "natural order" sorting is a problem, we'll override it. {{User:Howbizr/sign}} 8:52 PM, 13 Aug 2009 (EDT) |
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| − | ==References== |
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| + | :::::That works for me. '''Easy''' is better (most of the time) -- {{:User:Jrooksjr/SigX}} 01:09, 14 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | {{Reflist}} |
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| + | == Enemy factions== |
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| − | {{Language_links}} |
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| + | Could anyone make icons for the big villain factions please |
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| − | [[Category:Game terms]] |
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| + | *Illidian's forces |
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| − | [[Category:Languages]] |
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| + | *Burning Legion |
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| + | *Scourge |
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| + | *Twilight Hammer |
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| + | :thanks--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 19:36, 5 May 2011 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 19:36, 5 May 2011
I totaly agre with this merger of {{Alliance Icon Small}}, {{Horde Icon Small}} and {{Neutral Icon Small}} as well as the larger versions {{Alliance Icon}}, {{Horde Icon}} and {{Neutral Icon}} - but to take some of the work load off -- I think we should change the redirects on {{Alliance}} and {{Horde}} template to be {{FactionIcon|<Alliance>|<small>}} for {{Alliance}} and {{FactionIcon|<Horde>|<small>}} for {{Horde}} and make {{Neutral}} be {{FactionIcon|<Neutral>|<small>}} ((After the old {{Neutral}} template has been changed to its proper {{Reputation|<neutral>}} format)) -- that way we can still use the {{Alliance}} and {{Horde}} templates and not have to replace them all ( my opinion). -- (M o r p h | C | T) 
22:17, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
- I was personally thinking more the other way around. {{alliance}} and {{horde}} is terribly convenient. Put parameters on these for the (less frequent) need for the other icons. But that assumption may be in correct, which is why I put it up for discussion.
Howbizr(t·c) 10:57 PM, 26 Jul 2009 (EDT)
- At the moment {{Alliance}} and {{Horde}} both redirect to {{Alliance Icon Small}} and {{Horde Icon Small}} - going with your idea of merging the individual Icon template {{Alliance Icon}}, {{Alliance Icon Small}}, {{Horde Icon}}, {{Horde Icon Small}}, {{Neutral Icon}}, and {{Neutral Icon Small}} could be all merged into the template {{FactionIcon}} since it does both sized for all 3 factions - 1 main template -- and we can change {{Alliance}} and {{Horde}} to no longer be redirects but become shortcuts to {{FactionIcon|Alliance|small}} and {{FactionIcon|Horde|small}}. We can then keep {{Alliance}} and {{Horde}} on all pages as they are -- and just change the pages that use teh Large and Neutral icons -- or better yet since {{Neutral}} no longer is used as a Reputation template it can be the {{FactionIcon|Neutral|Small}} counterpart? -- (M o r p h | C | T)
03:29, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
- That's fine. Side note, maybe it's {{FactionIcon}} that's missing combat support that was the problem with {{NPC}}. Howbizr(t·c) 12:00 AM, 27 Jul 2009 (EDT)
- That's fine. Side note, maybe it's {{FactionIcon}} that's missing combat support that was the problem with {{NPC}}.
- At the moment {{Alliance}} and {{Horde}} both redirect to {{Alliance Icon Small}} and {{Horde Icon Small}} - going with your idea of merging the individual Icon template {{Alliance Icon}}, {{Alliance Icon Small}}, {{Horde Icon}}, {{Horde Icon Small}}, {{Neutral Icon}}, and {{Neutral Icon Small}} could be all merged into the template {{FactionIcon}} since it does both sized for all 3 factions - 1 main template -- and we can change {{Alliance}} and {{Horde}} to no longer be redirects but become shortcuts to {{FactionIcon|Alliance|small}} and {{FactionIcon|Horde|small}}. We can then keep {{Alliance}} and {{Horde}} on all pages as they are -- and just change the pages that use teh Large and Neutral icons -- or better yet since {{Neutral}} no longer is used as a Reputation template it can be the {{FactionIcon|Neutral|Small}} counterpart? -- (M o r p h | C | T)
I would think to make things easier and have to type out less, that small would be the default instead of the large versions. 
(Sssss/Slithered) 04:56, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
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I think this is a more reasonable sort order ({{FactionIcon/dev}}). Does anyone disagree? Howbizr(t·c) 6:31 PM, 13 Aug 2009 (EDT)
- I figured that , and were more impotant factions thant and so did not put the latter 2 in perfect alpha order with the primaries. So I choose the way the Live version is (personaly). -- (M o r p h | C | T) 22:55, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
- I agree it is not perfect Aldor, Alliance, Combat, Horde, Neutral, Scryers order but so far I have never see anyone use Aldor up against any other faction other than Scryers, or use Alliance with any other faction other than Horde or Neutral -- in this case it is in Alpha order Alliance will always be before Horde before Neutral and Aldor is always before Scryers. Primaries and then Secondaries, then yes it is in perfect alpha order. -- (M o r p h | C | T) 23:24, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
- I agree it is not perfect Aldor, Alliance, Combat, Horde, Neutral, Scryers order but so far I have never see anyone use Aldor up against any other faction other than Scryers, or use Alliance with any other faction other than Horde or Neutral -- in this case it is in Alpha order Alliance will always be before Horde before Neutral and Aldor is always before Scryers. Primaries and then Secondaries, then yes it is in perfect alpha order. -- (M o r p h | C | T)
- Going with what you just said, no need to architect for a situation that isn't happening yet. So I'm putting in the alpha sort, so that the template is easier to maintain. If any other icons are added, no changes will be needed to support them. If in the future this "natural order" sorting is a problem, we'll override it. Howbizr(t·c) 8:52 PM, 13 Aug 2009 (EDT)
- Going with what you just said, no need to architect for a situation that isn't happening yet. So I'm putting in the alpha sort, so that the template is easier to maintain. If any other icons are added, no changes will be needed to support them. If in the future this "natural order" sorting is a problem, we'll override it.
Enemy factions
Could anyone make icons for the big villain factions please
- Illidian's forces
- Burning Legion
- Scourge
- Twilight Hammer
- thanks--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:36, 5 May 2011 (UTC)