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I totaly agre with this merger of {{t|Alliance Icon Small}}, {{t|Horde Icon Small}} and {{t|Neutral Icon Small}} as well as the larger versions {{t|Alliance Icon}}, {{t|Horde Icon}} and {{t|Neutral Icon}} - but to take some of the work load off -- I think we should change the redirects on {{t|Alliance}} and {{t|Horde}} template to be {{t|FactionIcon|Alliance|small}} for {{t|Alliance}} and {{t|FactionIcon|Horde|small}} for {{t|Horde}} and make <nowiki>{{Neutral}}</nowiki> be {{t|FactionIcon|Neutral|small}} ((After the old <nowiki>{{Neutral}}</nowiki> template has been changed to its proper {{t|Reputation|neutral}} format)) -- that way we can still use the {{t|Alliance}} and {{t|Horde}} templates and not have to replace them all ( my opinion). -- {{:User:Jrooksjr/SigX}} 22:17, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
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:I was personally thinking more the other way around. {{t|alliance}} and {{t|horde}} is terribly convenient. Put parameters on these for the (less frequent) need for the other icons. But that assumption may be in correct, which is why I put it up for discussion. {{User:Howbizr/sign}} 10:57 PM, 26 Jul 2009 (EDT)
| name = Dargh Trueaim
 
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::At the moment {{t|Alliance}} and {{t|Horde}} both redirect to {{t|Alliance Icon Small}} and {{t|Horde Icon Small}} - going with your idea of merging the individual Icon template {{t|Alliance Icon}}, {{t|Alliance Icon Small}}, {{t|Horde Icon}}, {{t|Horde Icon Small}}, {{t|Neutral Icon}}, and {{t|Neutral Icon Small}} could be all merged into the template {{t|FactionIcon}} since it does both sized for all 3 factions - 1 main template -- and we can change {{t|Alliance}} and {{t|Horde}} to no longer be redirects but become shortcuts to <nowiki>{{FactionIcon|Alliance|small}} and {{FactionIcon|Horde|small}}</nowiki>. We can then keep {{t|Alliance}} and {{t|Horde}} on all pages as they are -- and just change the pages that use teh Large and Neutral icons -- or better yet since {{t|Neutral}} no longer is used as a Reputation template it can be the <nowiki>{{FactionIcon|Neutral|Small}}</nowiki> counterpart? -- {{:User:Jrooksjr/SigX}} 03:29, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
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:::That's fine. Side note, maybe it's {{t|FactionIcon}} that's missing combat support that was the problem with {{t|NPC}}. {{User:Howbizr/sign}} 12:00 AM, 27 Jul 2009 (EDT)
| title = Hunter Trainer
 
| level = 25
 
| faction = Alliance
 
| city = Ironforge
 
| race = Dwarf
 
| creature = Humanoid
 
| sex = Male
 
| location = [[Loch Modan]]{{coords|82|62|Loch Modan}}
 
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'''Dargh Trueaim''' is a level 25 [[hunter trainer]] located at [[the Farstrider Lodge]] {{coords|82|62|Loch Modan}} in the [[dwarven]] territory of [[Loch Modan]]. Although he shares the same last name with [[Cawind Trueaim]], they apparently are not related.
 
   
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I would think to make things easier and have to type out less, that small would be the default instead of the large versions. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 04:56, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
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== Sort order ==
{{DEFAULTSORT:Trueaim, Dargh}}
 
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{| class="darktable sortable" style="float:right"
[[Category:Dwarves]]
 
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|+ style="width: 5em" | Sort test
[[Category:Hunter trainers]]
 
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! Dev
[[Category:Loch Modan NPCs]]
 
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|-
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|{{FactionIcon/dev|Alliance|sort=}}
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|{{FactionIcon/dev|Combat|sort=}}
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|{{FactionIcon/dev|Horde|sort=}}
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|-
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|{{FactionIcon/dev|Neutral|sort=}}
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|-
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|{{FactionIcon/dev|Aldor|sort=}}
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|-
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|{{FactionIcon/dev|Scryers|sort=}}
 
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{| class="darktable sortable" style="float:right; margin-left:1em"
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! Live
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|{{FactionIcon|Alliance|sort=}}
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|-
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|{{FactionIcon|Horde|sort=}}
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|-
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|{{FactionIcon|Neutral|sort=}}
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|-
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|{{FactionIcon|Combat|sort=}}
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|-
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|{{FactionIcon|Aldor|sort=}}
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|-
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|{{FactionIcon|Scryers|sort=}}
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I think this is a more reasonable sort order ({{t|FactionIcon/dev}}). Does anyone disagree? {{User:Howbizr/sign}} 6:31 PM, 13 Aug 2009 (EDT)
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:I figured that {{factionIcon|alliance}}, {{factionIcon|horde}} and {{factionIcon|neutral}} were more impotant factions thant {{factionIcon|Aldor}} and {{factionIcon|Scryers}} so did not put the latter 2 in perfect alpha order with the primaries. So I choose the way the Live version is (personaly). -- {{:User:Jrooksjr/SigX}} 22:55, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
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::Ya but... it's not alphabetical. {{User:Howbizr/sign}} 7:05 PM, 13 Aug 2009 (EDT)
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:::I agree it is not perfect Aldor, Alliance, Combat, Horde, Neutral, Scryers order but so far I have never see anyone use Aldor up against any other faction other than Scryers, or use Alliance with any other faction other than Horde or Neutral -- in this case it is in Alpha order Alliance will always be before Horde before Neutral and Aldor is always before Scryers. Primaries and then Secondaries, then yes it is in perfect alpha order. -- {{:User:Jrooksjr/SigX}} 23:24, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
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::::Going with what you just said, no need to architect for a situation that isn't happening yet. So I'm putting in the alpha sort, so that the template is easier to maintain. If any other icons are added, no changes will be needed to support them. If in the future this "natural order" sorting is a problem, we'll override it. {{User:Howbizr/sign}} 8:52 PM, 13 Aug 2009 (EDT)
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:::::That works for me. '''Easy''' is better (most of the time) -- {{:User:Jrooksjr/SigX}} 01:09, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
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== Enemy factions==
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Could anyone make icons for the big villain factions please
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*Illidian's forces
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*Burning Legion
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*Scourge
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*Twilight Hammer
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:thanks--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 19:36, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

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I totaly agre with this merger of {{Alliance Icon Small}}, {{Horde Icon Small}} and {{Neutral Icon Small}} as well as the larger versions {{Alliance Icon}}, {{Horde Icon}} and {{Neutral Icon}} - but to take some of the work load off -- I think we should change the redirects on {{Alliance}} and {{Horde}} template to be {{FactionIcon|<Alliance>|<small>}} for {{Alliance}} and {{FactionIcon|<Horde>|<small>}} for {{Horde}} and make {{Neutral}} be {{FactionIcon|<Neutral>|<small>}} ((After the old {{Neutral}} template has been changed to its proper {{Reputation|<neutral>}} format)) -- that way we can still use the {{Alliance}} and {{Horde}} templates and not have to replace them all ( my opinion). -- (M o r p hJames E. Rooks, Jr. aka: Morph
Morphgnome & Morphdraenei
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I was personally thinking more the other way around. {{alliance}} and {{horde}} is terribly convenient. Put parameters on these for the (less frequent) need for the other icons. But that assumption may be in correct, which is why I put it up for discussion. /chomp‎ Howbizr(t·c) 10:57 PM, 26 Jul 2009 (EDT)
At the moment {{Alliance}} and {{Horde}} both redirect to {{Alliance Icon Small}} and {{Horde Icon Small}} - going with your idea of merging the individual Icon template {{Alliance Icon}}, {{Alliance Icon Small}}, {{Horde Icon}}, {{Horde Icon Small}}, {{Neutral Icon}}, and {{Neutral Icon Small}} could be all merged into the template {{FactionIcon}} since it does both sized for all 3 factions - 1 main template -- and we can change {{Alliance}} and {{Horde}} to no longer be redirects but become shortcuts to {{FactionIcon|Alliance|small}} and {{FactionIcon|Horde|small}}. We can then keep {{Alliance}} and {{Horde}} on all pages as they are -- and just change the pages that use teh Large and Neutral icons -- or better yet since {{Neutral}} no longer is used as a Reputation template it can be the {{FactionIcon|Neutral|Small}} counterpart? -- (M o r p hJames E. Rooks, Jr. aka: Morph
Morphgnome & Morphdraenei
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That's fine. Side note, maybe it's {{FactionIcon}} that's missing combat support that was the problem with {{NPC}}. /chomp‎ Howbizr(t·c) 12:00 AM, 27 Jul 2009 (EDT)

I would think to make things easier and have to type out less, that small would be the default instead of the large versions. SnakeSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3For Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 04:56, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Sort order

Sort test
Dev
Template:FactionIcon/dev
Template:FactionIcon/dev
Template:FactionIcon/dev
Template:FactionIcon/dev
Template:FactionIcon/dev
Template:FactionIcon/dev
Sort test
Live
allianceAlliance
hordeHorde
neutralNeutral
combatMob
aldorAldor
scryersScryers

I think this is a more reasonable sort order ({{FactionIcon/dev}}). Does anyone disagree? /chomp‎ Howbizr(t·c) 6:31 PM, 13 Aug 2009 (EDT)

I figured that Alliance, Horde and Neutral were more impotant factions thant Aldor and Scryers so did not put the latter 2 in perfect alpha order with the primaries. So I choose the way the Live version is (personaly). -- (M o r p hJames E. Rooks, Jr. aka: Morph
Morphgnome & Morphdraenei
| C | TLeave me a message on my Discussion/Talk Page) IconSmall Gnome MaleMorphgnomeIconSmall Draenei MaleMorphdraenei 22:55, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Ya but... it's not alphabetical. /chomp‎ Howbizr(t·c) 7:05 PM, 13 Aug 2009 (EDT)
I agree it is not perfect Aldor, Alliance, Combat, Horde, Neutral, Scryers order but so far I have never see anyone use Aldor up against any other faction other than Scryers, or use Alliance with any other faction other than Horde or Neutral -- in this case it is in Alpha order Alliance will always be before Horde before Neutral and Aldor is always before Scryers. Primaries and then Secondaries, then yes it is in perfect alpha order. -- (M o r p hJames E. Rooks, Jr. aka: Morph
Morphgnome & Morphdraenei
| C | TLeave me a message on my Discussion/Talk Page) IconSmall Gnome MaleMorphgnomeIconSmall Draenei MaleMorphdraenei 23:24, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Going with what you just said, no need to architect for a situation that isn't happening yet. So I'm putting in the alpha sort, so that the template is easier to maintain. If any other icons are added, no changes will be needed to support them. If in the future this "natural order" sorting is a problem, we'll override it. /chomp‎ Howbizr(t·c) 8:52 PM, 13 Aug 2009 (EDT)
That works for me. Easy is better (most of the time) -- (M o r p hJames E. Rooks, Jr. aka: Morph
Morphgnome & Morphdraenei
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Enemy factions

Could anyone make icons for the big villain factions please

  • Illidian's forces
  • Burning Legion
  • Scourge
  • Twilight Hammer
thanks--Ashbear160 (talk) 19:36, 5 May 2011 (UTC)