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'''Welcome to WoWWiki!'''
 
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Hello, '''Lon-ami''', and welcome to '''[[Wowpedia:About|WoWWiki]]''', the Warcraft wiki! Thank you for your contributions, and we heartily [[Wowpedia:Be bold in updating pages|encourage you to continue contributing]]!
 
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| name = Ancients, souls of the forests
 
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| capital = [[Grove of the Ancients]] (presumed)
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| faction = [[Alliance]], [[Sentinels]], [[Nature]] and/or [[Eternals]], also the [[Burning Legion]] as [[Corrupted ancient|Corrupted ancients]]
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| character = [[Healer]], [[Druid of the wild]], [[Shaman]]
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| language = Very slow (presumed) [[Darnassian]]
 
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| leader = [[Circle of Ancients]] (presumed)
 
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| height = Varies
 
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| organization = Solitary (1), Grove (2-5)
''Again, welcome!'' &nbsp; --[[User:Kirkburn|Kirkburn]] <small>([[User talk:Kirkburn|talk]])</small>
 
 
==Nahzarak moved to User:Lon-ami/Nahzarak==
 
I have moved [[Nahzarak]] to [[User:Lon-ami/Nahzarak]] {{User:Kirkburn/Sig3}} 19:38, 5 May 2007 (EDT)
 
 
==Discuss==
 
you asked to Discuss, so: you should clean + edit your ideas ready before you put them to future race ideas. otherwise good work [[User:Kesmana|Kesmana]] ([[User talk:Kesmana|talk]]) 11:11, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 
 
btw could you merge your race ideas? [[User:Kesmana|Kesmana]] ([[User talk:Kesmana|talk]]) 11:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 
 
:O.O, ¡someone reads my stuff!¡You've give me hope! I'm going to edit them right now :P.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 11:48, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 
 
::/clap /clap indeed, i mean,should you make them finished and put them then to future race ideas. thanks & g´luck [[User:Kesmana|Kesmana]] ([[User talk:Kesmana|talk]]) 12:37, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 
 
:::Nah, thanks to you. I've some fan fics, but they're written in Spanish, my native language. I'll try to traduce some stuff today ;).
 
 
::::i mean...ur race ideas:???fox????mantis?????. :P [[User:Kesmana|Kesmana]] ([[User talk:Kesmana|talk]]) 12:17, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 
 
:::::I have further explanations on those, but I must translate them. They're short anyway. I'll try to translate the entire Azj'Aqir Compendium I made, but I can try to write something more about the mount races, the foxes and the mantis. Anyway, these ones are 100% made by me and haven't got any source in Warcraft universe. I'm with exams so, perhaps, you'll have to wait a bit :P.
 
 
ok then. BTW, if it is so hard, use translator, they are not perfect, but they may help [[User:Kesmana|Kesmana]] ([[User talk:Kesmana|talk]]) 12:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 
 
== Ebon Blade ==
 
 
Please note that any information about the WotLK alpha, including the Ebon Blade, will be deleted following the [[WP:NDA|NDA]] policy. {{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 11:05, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 
:Yes, the Covenant too. {{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 11:06, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 
::Everything? But the factions were confirmed by Blizzard, weren't they? So I suppose [[Valiance Expedition]], [[The Silver Covenant]], [[Explorer's League]], [[Taunka|The Taunka]], [[The Hand of Vengeance]], [[Warsong Offensive]], [[The Kalu'ak]], [[Kirin Tor]], [[The Wyrmrest Accord]] and [[Knights of the Ebon Blade]] follow the [[WP:NDA|NDA]] policy too... <small>—The preceding [[Wowpedia:Signature|unsigned]] comment was added by {{User|Lon-ami}}.</small>
 
:::"Leaked alpha content" does '''not''' mean "confirmed by Blizzard". {{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 11:14, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 
::::Ok, excuse me, I didn't know it was leaked. [[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 11:16, 24 June 2008 (UTC) (Sorry, I forgot to sign)
 
 
If you can find a source that came from Blizz, then we can add them (and it'll make me ever so happy) :) {{User:Kirkburn/Sig4}} 11:23, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 
:And if it cames from one of those magazines and websites that played WotLK in Irvine and got information approved by Blizzard?[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 11:25, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 
 
:: Yup, that's fine - but remember to cite the mag. {{User:Kirkburn/Sig4}} 11:31, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 
 
== Characters & appearances ==
 
 
See the [[Wowpedia:Appearances project|Appearances project]]. {{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 00:51, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:It seems nice. I shall check it ;). --[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 19:08, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== New cats ==
 
 
Love the work you're doing, but I'm not sure if we need a category for each novel. Do you mind explaining your thinking? --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 14:45, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:Well, I still must categorize everything, but I can assure you that they'll end being filled.
 
 
:Categories for each book are quite empty now, and they only serve as support for pages like that book's characters and media. Anyway, pages with prominent book content, like a discussion or a deep speculation, could be categorized into that categories.
 
 
:Some examples:
 
 
:*http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Warcraft:_The_Sunwell_Trilogy
 
:**http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Warcraft:_The_Sunwell_Trilogy_books
 
:**http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Warcraft:_The_Sunwell_Trilogy_characters
 
 
:There we have two important categories: characters and books, and another bit useless category, where those categories are categorized. Right now, http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Warcraft:_The_Sunwell_Trilogy only serves as support for characters and books, but articles with prominant Sunwell info could be categorized into this category. You know, content related to The Sunwell Trilogy that can't be included in books or characters.
 
 
:Series have only a category, like Sunwell, where we have http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Warcraft:_The_Sunwell_Trilogy but we don't have http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Warcraft:_The_Sunwell_Trilogy: Dragon Hunt.
 
 
:Anyway, if they end being too empty after I finish adding info, I could gather them all in the same folder and remove each-book's category. Like they all were novels of a trilogy. Just wait for when I finish all the work ;).
 
 
:Hope you understand my point of view now... Anyway, ask anything you want if it's still unclean, I'm not good at expressing myself :P.
 
 
:--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 15:57, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 
 
::Ah, I think I see what you're doing. Well, keep it up, and we'll talk more at a later stage in the project.
 
::Oh, would you mind marking all of these as minor edits for bookkeeping purposes? It makes reviewing the day's edits much easier.--[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 16:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:::Yeah, sorry, I'll do. I just did it lightspeed, so I forget to mark them all xDDD. Won't happen if I'm working on it relaxed ;).
 
 
:::--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 16:29, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 
 
==We appreciate your work, but...==
 
Please try to add citations or references for the material you add. That way you will be sure to avoid reverts.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 13:51, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 
 
::Also please don't cite sources that aren't released yet (unless its from released interviews). While I assume you might have some insider information, that info should not be released prior to the release of the product, and not until after our spoiler period. We do have a spoiler policy. In addition unless its public knowledge and you can cite a link to the public info, insider info should not be mentioned as its not verifiable.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 14:03, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:::What if I have the book? (Galley, given at New York Comic Con)
 
 
:::If I'm breaking whatever spoiler policy, pardon me, didn't know about it >_<!
 
 
:::--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 14:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 
 
::::Ya, hold your horses (umm there is a pun there, LOL) and wait for the official release, and after the spoiler period.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 14:07, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:::::Yeah, don't worry. Gonna remove them asap, if you haven't yet.
 
 
:::::--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 14:10, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:::::PS: Lol, xDDDDD. (Explanation: I posted 5 named horses there)
 
::Ahh, I'll let you clean it up, I better get some sleep.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 14:13, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== Please use other elink besides DC Comics and don't remove refs ==
 
 
I don't know if you realized this, but the http://dccomics.com/wildstorm/ external links to specific WoW comics eventually roll off the DC Comics web site and become bad links, so don't leave them as the only external links on WoW comic article. Also please don't remove refs unless they have bad info. Even old info is useful sometimes. --{{qtt|[[Image:gengar orange 22x22.png]]|Beware the sneaky smile!}}&nbsp;[[User:Fandyllic|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Fandyllic</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Fandyllic|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Fandyllic|contr]])</small> 2:32 PM PST 21 Apr 2009
 
 
:But they're uslees. It's like putting references to a book in the page of that book. Of course, I'm speaking of books who have been released.
 
 
:I'd just leave them as external links, but no references. Well, I'm not sure at all.
 
 
:Also, the pages disappear, yeah, but the previews and the covers are still there, in the same number-id. It's worth having it stored somewhere.
 
 
:--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 12:37, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 
 
==RE: Can you "move" image pages?==
 
 
Yes, you can move images to a different name, but a tip is to leave the "Leave a redirect" box empty, or it could look ugly. Be sure to check what pages links to the image before you move it though. --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 18:06, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:Oh, so I can move them by myself? Didn't know, thanks a lot. I think I'm gonna follow a common style for all the related images, like the covers and whatever. Thanks, again ;) --[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 18:08, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 
 
::Oh, wait, but where's the button to move it? :( --[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 18:11, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:::The button should be at the top of the article, where the usual Move button is. Alternately you can use [[Special:MovePage]] and specify to move the full file name (like "File:Example.jpg"). --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 19:15, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 
 
::::Ah, I found the problem: I'm not allowed to move files. It must be something exclusive for you moderators :S. Turn on for us normal users or just move some files for me, please. --[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 19:19, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:::::What files did you have in mind? And, if you don't mind, try write on one line. --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 19:23, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 
 
Ah, ok, sorry :P. I was thinking about covers and cover artworks. You know we have moe than one volume/issue, and it's just annoying to have them all with different names. I'd propose this: WoW15CoverArtwork - WoW15Cover - WoW15CoverB - Legends5Cover - WoW15Cover. That style more or less, using the short name and then the key words. A or B in the end helps differentiate if there are more than one official cover. For sample or placeholders, just put Sample in the end before the letter. Something like that, hope you understand me. --[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 19:30, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 
 
==Small Unique Icons==
 
 
Come gaze on my Paint skills! xD
 
[http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Wowpedia talk:List_of_unique_character_icons&curid=219928&diff=1919401&oldid=1917557 Talk:Unique Icons Suggestions]
 
{{User:A'noob/sig}} 17:23, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:Ok! xD--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 17:25, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 
 
::[[Wowpedia talk:List of unique character icons#Warcraft 3 icons|*poke*]]
 
::{{User:A'noob/sig}} 21:53, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:::My eye! >_< What? A link? :O
 
:::--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 09:43, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 
 
==Stubs==
 
 
Stubs go at the top of articles, with few exceptions. This is due to the infoboxes or images in the way that causes them to create huge gaps between sections. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 20:24, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:Ok, I thought it didn't matter, not at all, because, well, there are tons and tons of articles with the templates in the middle of the page, disorganizing all.
 
 
:Anyway, I don't understand then why the template has "This article or '''section'''" if it can't be used that way. Also, it seems that template in particular has problems adapting itself to the article. Others, like "novel" or "rpg" don't disorganize all.
 
 
:--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 09:53, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 
 
==Categories/minor edits==
 
 
Thanks for all the cat work! In future though, would you mind marking cat edits as minor edits? It makes edits easier to screen. --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 12:42, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:Nah, it's a piece of cake, and I love doing it :P. Ah, er, about the minor thing, sorry, i always forget :P xDDD. Thanks for the support, and the reminder, too ;).--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 12:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 
 
==Warcraft III categories==
 
 
Might I ask why you created the amount of categories? The category such as "Warcraft III melee orc heroes" is redundant as two our of four orc hero units are ranged and two are melee; very small categories such as that is not preferred according to the [[WP:CAT|category policy]]. I don't understand either the category "Warcraft III melee human buildings", are there even any human buildings that are "melee"? --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 15:47, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:Melee refers to the RTS melee, the "ladder" or the official melee maps. There's melee and there's campaign, as classified by the game and the world editor. It's all part of the [[User:Sandwichman2449/RTS units project|RTS units project]]--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 15:50, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 
 
::I've never heard of those. Do you have any examples? --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 15:54, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:::When you enter Bnet you can play 2 types of maps: Ladder or custom. Ladder are those played at tournaments, where you just play the same all the time: start with a townhall and a group of workers, and harvest resources and build, RTS. Normal maps, normal gameplay. I don't know how they are exactly called.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 15:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 
 
::::How are they different compared to "normal" buildings? --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 16:00, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:::::Am... it's not the same. Warcraft III is a RTS, but the inside gameplay can change. DotA, Tower Defenses, Sniper arena, Uther party... those aren't RTS, and those aren't official ladder. The official ladder is the original gaemplay of RTS.
 
 
:::::The melee content can be found here: [http://classic.battle.net/war3/]. Everything missing there isn't melee. Naga and draenei, for example, aren't melee, are campaign. They are official but they aren't tournament-official. You can't play with them.
 
 
:::::What's melee can be found, too, at the template WC3box.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 16:10, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 
 
::::::I looked at {{t|WC3UnitBox}}, {{t|Warcraft III units}} and {{t|Warcraft III buildings}}, and nowhere are there any "melee" units. The site you linked says ''nothing'' about any melee units or buildings - the only thing it mentions are "Melee Maps", and those aren't official. To be honest we shouldn't add every single (hero) unit from every custom map, which sounds like what you suggest, even if it's from theee "ladder" maps. They would simply be too many.
 
 
::::::And going back, I don't see anywhere on the RTS units project article that melee buildings or units should be added, nor any custom ones. --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 16:23, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 
 
Melee isn't [[melee]], it's a game term for the official gameplay of the game. There are units, as [[Captain]] that aren't melee, they're campaign. Others, like the [[Huntress]], are melee.
 
 
You only have to open your World Editor or enter Battle.net to see them labelled as mele. If you haven't downloaded maps, then, all the maps you have are melee, save those inside the scenario folder, that aren't melee.
 
 
The units at the templates are all melee. Those that don't appear there are melee. There's an old article with all the info: [[Warcraft III units]].--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 16:29, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:So if the "melee" units and buildings are the same as the "normal" units and buildings, why make it complicated? To be honest these should be "Warcraft III campaign buildings" and "Warcraft III custom buildings" under "Warcraft III buildings", and likewise with the units. --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 16:33, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 
 
::Warcraft III units is supposed to include all the units. Also, they are classified under different categorizations. Something like this: [[User talk:Sandwichman2449/RTS units project#Categorization]]. There's no simple "orc units" category. The melee one could be moved there, but then, we'd have to categorize the another one there and all would go crap.
 
 
::Trust me, once the cleaning and everything else is finished, it will be easy to understand. Also, the pages are classified for proper linkings of RTS strategies and things like that.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 16:42, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:::So you just based a big decision on the opinion of just one other user, and waited just one day for it. To be honest that's not a real basis for the decision, but I guess you think different. I added my opinion to the discussion. --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 16:56, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 
 
They can always be moved. Better to have something than to have nothing, nope? Until today, no one has cared about Warcraft III categories. See you in the discussion over the project.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 16:58, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 
 
Didn't see see anything about the project and was trying help clean up the single biggest broken link count entry. Sorry to offend.
 
[[User:Drazisil|Drazisil]] ([[User talk:Drazisil|talk]]) 17:16, October 21, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:Nah, don't worry, I'm sure your intention was good, just to make you know. Anyway, I edited them with temporal redirects until something better is made, so they are no longer red {{=P}}.
 
:Just wanted to tell you for if you didn't know (you seem new). Sometimes is better to leave the red names, when you know they're important. Other times, when they don't make sense at all, you should remove them without problems.
 
:That's all, good luck, and welcome to WoWWiki ;).--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 17:37, October 21, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
==Anub'arak Argent Coliseum==
 
 
Where has Anub'arak been confirmed as the final boss? I can't find any achievement with his name. And the dungeon/raid is still not opened. Do you mean the sound files "by confirmed"?
 
 
{{User:A'noob/sig}} 16:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:Sound files.
 
:Achievement ID.
 
:NPC ID.
 
:Enough for me, really. Anyway, if he, by sheer chance, results not to be Anub'arak, well, delete it, but for now, I think that pretty everything points to him.
 
:Until confirmed, should remain like that, imo.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 16:32, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 
 
::I'm sorry for you, but if it's not written plainly in an achievement, you cannot have this online.
 
::NPC ID, Achievement ID and sound files are all datamining.
 
::PS: Pcj already cutted it. :)
 
::{{User:A'noob/sig}} 16:41, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 
::And persisting in posting such information will result in a block per [[WP:DNP]] --{{User:Pcj/sig}} 16:43, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:::Well, datamining or not, the encounter data is in the files. If you just go there and play it properly, you'll trigger the encounter.
 
:::It's only a matter of time, and no need to menace with banning for just not thinking like you. Things can be asked in a nicer way.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 10:52, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:He just bursted out :) Some people are real nuts concerning the DNP (Remember Ulduar 3.1!)
 
:{{User:A'noob/sig}} 10:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 
 
::Then I don't understand why they don't burst when hey posted all the boss names pre-release of any achievement, just basing on npc names -_-. It's no justification.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 11:01, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:Before Yesterday's new build, the achievement Call of the Crusade listed each boss instead of "defeat the 2 beast", etc..
 
:That allowed us to post the post names xD
 
:{{User:A'noob/sig}} 11:03, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 
 
::I thought they were up before any achievement was datamined... ¬¬.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 11:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 
 
==Ogre icons==
 
I always put the color of the ogres have because there are many ogre mages that are either blue or pale pink, there are many ogres that are either blue or pale pink. Actually being mage or not doesn't have anything to do with the skin color, even the WC2 ogres weren't blue. Lastly, can you mention an ogre mage with just one head? [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos|talk]]) 18:33, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:I interprete it like this, also, according to the names in the templates:
 
:{{RaceIcon|Ogre|Male|Small}}: 1 headed ogre
 
:{{RaceIconExt|Ogre Male2|Small}}: 2 headed ogre
 
:{{RaceIconExt|Ogre Mage2|Small}}: 1 headed ogre mage
 
:{{RaceIconExt|Ogre Mage|Small}}: 2 headed ogre mage
 
:Color doesn't mean anything, cause, well, there are red ogres and whatever.
 
:Also: during the second war there were 2-headed ogre warriors, and [[Dentarg]] is an ogre mage and is 1-headed according to BtDP. Also, the RPG shows 1-headed ogre-mages [[:File:Ogre mage.png]].--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 18:54, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 
 
::Ok, the RPG shows ogre magi with one head. But the icon would be useless, becuase there is just one ogre mage with one head (although he was two-headed in the game and manual and we don't have even a picture to see his appareance).
 
::Also check again WC2, there were ogre magi: [http://classic.battle.net/war2/units/ogre.shtml]. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos|talk]]) 19:08, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 
::Also don't you think that it will confuse people that they saw an icon of a pale pink ogre and then get a blue ogre and viceversa? [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos|talk]]) 19:19, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== Elder character class ==
 
 
I know nothing about the character class, other than that the link [[Elder]] redirected to [[Elders]], a page that is now called [[Lunar Festival Elders]]. I suggest that [[Elder]] be changed to a page on the class, as it is [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Elder|referred to]] from such pages as [[Mastran]]. --[[User:Eirik Ratcatcher|Eirik Ratcatcher]] ([[User talk:Eirik Ratcatcher|talk]]) 18:52, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:Looking about it, neither [[Template:Warcraft RPG classes]], nor [[Template:WoW RPG classes]] includes 'Elder' as a class.--[[User:Eirik Ratcatcher|Eirik Ratcatcher]] ([[User talk:Eirik Ratcatcher|talk]]) 19:07, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 
 
::Yeah, my mistake. I'm accustomed to write "Elder" in character tables as a role, so it probably didn't notice the fail. Remove it if you want, cause it's definitely not a class, just a role.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 08:50, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== Warcraftt: Legends Moves ==
 
 
The correct usage in a title should be the number written as a word, not the digit (exactly why companies do so on the front cover). This is also the one used on the front cover which is what the title is derived from. How they may be writen on product sites or inside is rather irrelevant.
 
 
Ignoring that though, i merely moved them as they lacked both forms to be consitent with the previous volumes which had access from both word and digit forms, so i've no desire to change it and possibly start an edit war. --{{User:Zealvurte/Sig2}} 16:29, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:Well, it's clearer to use "5" instead of "five" in the article names, and pretty much every article follows that pattern. Also, inside the book, where the copyright and that stuff is written, it appears as "5", so I'd say there's no final decision on that. I wanted to open a forum thread for the general usage of number, but I don't know what to write. If you decide to open a thread about this topic, I'll join you.
 
:Ignoring that thought, too, I just moved them because there's too much linking to the versions with the numbers xD. Also, I always call for talk, and never star edit wars :P.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 16:40, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
==Naga==
 
 
Why make {{t|Naga}} into just about naga tribes?--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 23:59, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:Why make it into a complete stuff with characters and whatever? As far as I know, only dragons have a template like that, and I find it reasonable because they only have 8 different groups.
 
 
:Feel free to add more info if you want, but I always found useless those kind of templates, which should be in text format on the [[Naga]] page and nowhere else.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 08:56, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
==Forum thread following Gathering discussion==
 
[[Forum:Copyright policy: in need of overhaul?|Over here]], please. :) '''[[Image:IconSmall BloodElf Male.gif]][[User:Amberrock|<span style="color:#FFDF21;">''AMBER''</span>]][[User talk:Amberrock|<span style="color:#FDAE16;"><sup>(RΘCK)</sup></span>]]''' 14:30, September 28, 2009 (UTC)
 
:Posted {{=P}}.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 14:44, September 28, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
==Spoiler policy==
 
 
Where is the Spoiler policy you mentioned? --[[User:Frejh|Frejh]] ([[User talk:Frejh|talk]]) 10:42, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
: Update:
 
''We do not always flag spoilers — if new information has come out it will be added to the wiki.''
 
 
Thus spoilers are not always excluded. I think it actually makes sense to put on a spoiler tag on articles regarding specific official Warcraft media. Let me give you an example: If you are visiting the article regarding the novel ''Arthas'' you might just want to get a hunch of the storyline of the novel, but you probably don't want mayor plot twists to be revealed. However if you are visiting the Arthas ''article'', you probably want to get as much official information as possible regarding Arthas background story.
 
 
Source: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:About
 
--[[User:Frejh|Frejh]] ([[User talk:Frejh|talk]]) 11:06, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:Probably right. Anyway, WoW Volume 2 didn't deserve the spoiler tag, just because it has no summaries or whatever, just the descriptions and the characters.
 
:I would ask some moderator before starting to apply the spoiler tag everywhere, since they never marked them before. Or, better, go to the [[Forum:Wowpedia policy|forum]] and open a thread.
 
:It will save you time in case they don't want spoiler tags.
 
 
::Okay, thank you for the information. I will discuss the issue on the forum. --[[User:Frejh|Frejh]] ([[User talk:Frejh|talk]]) 11:15, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== Scrolls of Lore "membership badge" ==
 
 
I happened upon [http://www.scrollsoflore.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5270 this] over at Scrolls of Lore and decided to create this just because:
 
 
{{Userbox
 
|lcontent=[[Image:Icon-sol-48x48.png|Scrolls of Lore]]
 
|content=This user is a registered member of '''[[Scrolls of Lore|<span style="color:black">Scrolls of Lore</span>]]'''!
 
|mainbg=#99AA66
 
|lbg=black
 
|color=black
 
|bcolor=#474}}
 
{{Clr}}
 
 
What do you think? It is not like {{t|Wwclub}}. I tried to match the colors to the website's. You can move it to a transcludeable template if you want.--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 21:05, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:That. Is. Just. Awesome. Thanks you very much! The color definitely matches, I love it. I, personally, don't like userboxes, but there's going to be people that will use it, you can be sure. And I myself could start using it, why not.
 
:For now, let's leave it here, and if there's enough people wanting to use it so it deserves to be a template, then I myself will make it so.
 
:My original idea was to create a badge, with that same scroll in the background, and the words "Scrolls of Lore" in front of it. That same image, but bigger and with expanded text. Anyway, adding some stuff around, like the circular letters of Wwclub, would be nice, but it would be a hard work, so let's leave it for another day.
 
:For now, I'll use this, I'll show it at WoWWiki and see if I can make people give ideas for the badge.
 
:Thanks! {{=)}}.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 10:56, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
I approve! Thank you. --Timolas [[Image:{{#switch:{{lc:Dath'Remar}}|unknown=INV_Misc_QuestionMark.png{{!}}18px|<!--felguard=Spell_Shadow_SummonFelGuard.png{{!}}18px|-->|infernal=Spell_Shadow_SummonInfernal.png{{!}}18px|rocket=Ability_Mount_RocketMount.png{{!}}18px|#default=Icon{{#ifeq:{{lc:{{#ifeq:{{lc:Small}}|large|large|small}}}}|large|Large|Small}} Dath'Remar{{#switch:{{lc:Small}}|f|female=_Female|m|male=_Male|small=|large=|Small}}.gif}}]] 16:35, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
 
::I'm Omacron, and I approve this message. [[User:Omacron|Omacron]] ([[User talk:Omacron|talk]])
 
 
:Template created: {{t|User SoL}} {{;)}}.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 17:18, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
::For the future, you might want to try to reduce the number of parser functions, as they can be quite load-heavy. I put most of them in a subpage, so that the same group of parser functions could be loaded once and used several times. I'm not sure how it will react to having a parameter, so it might not make a difference though. Anyway, remember the tip for the future. {{User:Ose/Sig8}} 21:30, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
Lon-ami, while I made {{t|User SoL}}, {{t|User SoL Rank}} is too much. It was decided that it violates [[WP:DNP]], as it is [[Wowpedia:DNP policy#Off-topic_content|Off-topic content]]. It is a template whose whole point is tracking the amount of posts Scrolls of Lore users make in their forum. The forum itself is not part of the Warcraft universe, and is not part of WoWWiki. {{t|Cowbell}} went, so this needs to go too. I am sorry, as you put a lot of work into it, but a template to track achievements on another fan site is off-topic.--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 02:00, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:I restored it. I will give you a chance to discuss it first.--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 02:16, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
::Ok, no problem, I just wanted to try implementing some functions, and that was the first and easiest example I had. Anyway, let me move it instead to my user space, cause I want it as a reference until I apply it to future templates.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 15:33, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:::It was just a test? If so, then why the hype on SoL?--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 20:46, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
::::Well, if I'm going to make it, why not tell people to use it?
 
::::Of course, I didn't expect it to be against the rules, making it to be removed >_<. What I mean as "test" is that I wanted to do something working with those features, and that ranks were great for it. Of course I'd have made anything else, but I'd prefer it to be of some use; and I got this as a suggestion.
 
::::Anyway: I've it now at my user page, just because I want to keep it and because I'd like Ose to explain the changes made; for learning, more than all; and not repeating the same mistakes in a future. The question is: since some people from SoL could want to use it, could I let them link to it, or must I stop them if they try to? Don't expect them to be a lot of users, anyway.
 
::::That's all, don't worry about it ;).--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 21:18, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
 
::::(Anyway, I'm planning on making a similar one with W3 Bnet rankings; would it be "legal"?)
 
 
:::::If it involves Warcraft its ok, so a WC3 battlenet one is fine. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 21:21, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
Regarding the changes I made, they really just the template less redundant. Instead of repeating the whole ifexpr sequence twice, I placed it on anothe page, and made it output the result to the template page, with switches to determine the final template output. {{User:Ose/Sig8}} 22:59, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
==New Council of Tirisfal==
 
...and yet he's not called the "New Guardian of Tirisfal", simply "Guardian of Tirisfal". The Council may be different. The job is not, combined magic schools or no. --[[User:Joshmaul|Joshmaul]] ([[User talk:Joshmaul|talk]]) 17:53, November 6, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:Well, yeah, neither the council nor the guardian are named in any new way; but it's this or merging the 2 articles.
 
:Anyway, if you feel you're right, put [[Guardian]] there till someone create an article or section for the [[New Guardian]]. After all, linking somewhere is better than linking nowhere.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 17:56, November 6, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
==Three Bugs==
 
May you comment you suggestion to split the [[Three Bugs]] please?
 
 
I don't see what "lore" you want to put in their article.
 
 
{{User:A'noob/sig}} 18:11, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:I don't remember, I added that long ago. If you don't find any lore for them, feel free to remove the split suggestion. I'll add it back if I find relevant information, with the information attached.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 11:49, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
==RE: Argent Officer Pureheart presumed deceased?==
 
:''Continued from [[User talk:A'noob#Argent Officer Pureheart presumed deceased?]]''
 
 
So you have:
 
*[http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Argent_Officer_Pureheart&diff=prev&oldid=2110332 here] the move from Alive to Deceased by [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]]
 
*[http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Argent_Officer_Pureheart&diff=2150474&oldid=2146171 there] the move to Presumed deceased by [[User:Deepred|Deepred]].
 
 
In both case, I'm not responsible ^^
 
 
{{User:A'noob/sig}} 18:47, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:Ok, so I'll have to use Pureheart's talk page instead, it seems {{;)}}.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 20:12, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
::I see, it seems I watched over more than one edition, and believed I was watching just one: yours. Whatever, my bad :S.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 20:17, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:''Continued at [[Talk:Argent Officer Pureheart#Presumed deceased?]]''
 
 
==About Gurtogg Bloodboil==
 
You added [[Gurtogg Bloodboil]] as a member of the [[Bonechewer clan]] on the latter's article. Are you sure about that? Where does it come from? [[User:Veher18|Veher18]] ([[User talk:Veher18|talk]]) 17:30, January 3, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:He's surrounded by Bonechewer fel orcs; that made me guess he was a Bonechewer. It's just that, there's nor quest neither text around I know mentioning him being of any clan.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 17:34, January 3, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Dragonflight and Capitalization ==
 
 
Your voice is most welcome [[Forum:Dragonflight and Capitalization|here]]
 
 
{{User:A'noob/sig}} 17:21, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:Done :P.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 21:45, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== "Cataclysm Trilogy" ==
 
 
I'm wondering what your source is for claiming that [[The Shattering: Prelude to Cataclysm]] is part of a trilogy as per your [http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Books&diff=prev&oldid=2099050 edit]. Theres no evidence of this from what i can tell. --{{User:Zealvurte/Sig2}} 18:46, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:Christie Golden told at the last BlizzCon she was working on a Cataclysm trilogy. This one leaked, and considering her work after Arthas is the trilogy, it's safe to assume this book is part of it.
 
:Still, I wouldn't create more pages about the trilogy until it gets officially announced or we have enough info to fill them ;).--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 13:12, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
==Thura==
 
Dare I ask the source of this name? :)
 
 
{{User:A'noob/sig}} 15:56, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:[[World of Warcraft: Stormrage]].
 
:For further sourcing, you can read the prologue preview at the official site ;).--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 20:31, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
==ES==
 
Deberías echarle un ojo más a menudo al wiki español... --[[User:Killogwil|Killogwil]] ([[User talk:Killogwil|talk]]) 15:15, March 20, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:Estoy un poco cansado de tener que defender las politicas del wiki yo solo y ver como gente que no ha contrinuido en nada se te sube a las barbas y a los de los que más hemos puesto de nuestra parte. O pones arreglo a esto de forma tajante o dejo de colaborar. --[[User:Killogwil|Killogwil]] ([[User talk:Killogwil|talk]]) 17:03, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
::¿Qué problema hay?¿Que 2 usuarios se quejan de que hay nombres en inglés?
 
::Mientras no empiecen a discutir por discutir y a vandalizar, están en todo su derecho de hablar del tema. Si se pasan hab´ra consecuencias (que ya las ha habido en el pasado).
 
::Por lo que respecta a tu trabajo (enlazar páginas de un idioma con otro) puedes seguir haciéndolo sin ningún problema, redirecciones a nombres en español o inglés, ya que ambos acaban llevando a donde deben.
 
::Si quieres toma parte en la discusión, cuantas más opiniones mejor, y creo que podrías poner un buen grano de arena con todo el trabajo que has hecho hasta ahora.
 
::Ah, y para escribirme sobre es.wow mejor escríbeme allí, no aquí, que etngo las 2 igual de vigiladas :S.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 17:17, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:::Eso es lo que hacen, discutir por discutir sin atender a lo que se les dice, alguno ya sabes que ha estado vandalizando hasta que le has parado los pies (y para mí perdió cualquier opción a ser escuchado cuando lo hizo). Ya han dejado claro que o es como ellos dicen o no van a colaborar en nada y solo van a participar para criticar, la ley del embudo que le dicen en mi pueblo. Y te he escrito aquí porque quería comentartelo sin que ellos respondieran con una chorrada. Para lo demás te escribo allí aunque parece que no lo mires tanto como esto.
 
:::En fin, que después de año y pico colaborando a diario estoy un poco quemado con el tema. Si veo que la cosa no tira palante y se caga el lore mejor me dedico a currar en otra cosa. --[[User:Killogwil|Killogwil]] ([[User talk:Killogwil|talk]]) 18:22, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
::::Pues sí, la verdad. Yo ya estuve un montón de tiempo sólo tirando para adelante, y acabé bastante quemado. Si no hubiera sido por los que os atrevisteis a editar, supongo que la wiki se habría ido al garete.
 
::::De todas formas, ha quedado demostrado reiteradas veces que no tienen razón, así que si siguen insistiendo o empeñándose en hacer lo que les da la gana, pues pasará lo que tenga que pasar.
 
::::Personalmente, yo lo de los nombres sigo teniéndolo difuso, pero no me paree un tema importante a tratar. Hay muchas más cosas, y mucho más importantes.
 
::::Ahora mismo, lo que me gustaría hacer son políticas fuertes, más que nada para poder aumentar la administración sin miedo a que los burócratas tengan que apañárselas como puedan. Para eso las necesitamos, y es algo que me gustaría discutir como dios manda.
 
::::Después de éso, la cosa sería dar una mejor primera impresión de la wiki, con algún estilo propio y una portada nueva, y luego pasar al proceso de estar al día con un portal dedicado a la 3º expansión, Cataclysm, el cual podría llevar sin problemas si se empieza bien desde 0.
 
::::Si lo de atraer gente con la información de Cataclysm surte efecto, supongo que podríamos tener un aumento en miembros y popularidad, que serviría como desencadenante para empezar a crecer como dios manda.
 
::::La traducción se discutirá como dios manda, con argumentos de verdad, pero cuando sea el momento. No tiene sentido discutir sobre una política de nombres cuando ni siquiera tenemos una de borrado o una de contenido apropiado.
 
::::Tú sigue con los enlaces, que haces un buen trabajo, y a largo plazo confío en que dará resultado (creo que somos la wiki con más enlaces a la inglesa, y prácticamente es todo gracias a ti). Cuando crezcamos más, espero poder verte también al otro lado, sobre todo para las políticas ;).
 
::::Y no te preocupes por esta gente. Por mucho que discutan, no van a conseguir tener razón, no con esos argumentos, y si no aceptan que la discusión queda zanjada después de haber dejado todo claro, pues se zanjará manualmente.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 18:41, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:::::Ok, entonces me pondré a actualizar el lore de Cataclysm. De momento ya terminé el del Lich King (Bolvar y Tirion inclusive), el de Deathwint-Alamuerte y ahora estoy con el tema de la rebelión de los Dragones Negros en el Templo de Dragonblight. A ver si saco algo para los Goblins y los Huorgens (ya sabes que Blizzard se ha cargado el termino Ferocani de un plumazo). Nos vemos por el wiki ;) --[[User:Killogwil|Killogwil]] ([[User talk:Killogwil|talk]]) 20:53, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
==Bleach Wiki==
 
Hola lon-ami o te gusta que te llame Hattori Kyūshū Capitan de la segunda division de Bleach Wiki.
 
Bleach Wiki nesecita tu ayuda para elegir un nuevo adm en el foro ya que Lord Ulquiorra lleva un mes desaparecidoy nesecitamos de tu voto, por favor.--[[User:Chairomaru|Hatake Kisuke]] ([[User talk:Chairomaru|talk]]) 16:45, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:Nah, prefiero Lon-ami :P. Ahora me paso ;). La siguiente vez mejor si me dices por mi página en Bleach wiki xDDD.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 20:13, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
==Scrolls of lore==
 
Do you know if anything happened to scrolls of lore i keep getting account suspended and can't see nothing in there...--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 20:04, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
 
:The admin is migratins the server :P--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 00:40, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
::Yeah, that's it. Already working just in case :) :P.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 08:55, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
==New 1k Needles 5man==
 
Please can you provide a source for [http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=World_of_Warcraft:_Cataclysm&curid=234392&diff=2295610&oldid=2295583&rcid=2301369 this] change. --{{User:Zealvurte/Sig2.1}} 19:58, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:I'll search it, but it simply said that there was no new instance there, and that it was just RFD, possibly re-attuned for the levels of the new area. Right now I could give you "unofficial" sources that I've at hand, but I don't think those are legit.
 
:Anyway, the "RFD new instance thing" was a WoWInsider speculation made because the Cata chart had a symbol over there. Nothing very legit, anyway.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 11:12, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
==grrrrrrr==
 
I'll be back!
 
 
{{User:A'noob/sig}} 18:48, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:No problem, you will be welcomed, but wait 5 min more until I finish copying the list xDDD.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 18:51, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
::You're not being back :'(. Don't leave me alone xDDD.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 19:11, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:''Continued at [[User talk:A'noob#You told me you would be back :'(]]''
 
 
:::Hold me tight Lon-ami!
 
:::I'm crushed by a huge Beta Wave!
 
:::{{User:A'noob/sig}} 17:16, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:Hah, I was prepared for it, so the wave wasn't that big, although bigger than I expected :D.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 17:55, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
::Ahah, good old discussion!
 
::Could you please consider sorting the names you add in A-Z order? (understand on the name)
 
::Your Lovely White Cow.
 
::{{User:A'noob/sig}} 14:04, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:::I thought you were doing it for me :D xD. It's not top priority now, but I'll do it, don't worry.
 
:::Also, I'm thinking about making those pages a project: [[Forum:Creating a project]], just in case you're interested :P.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 14:08, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
==Your opinion is desired==
 
Hey Lon-ami, I know you're a regular editor to WoWWiki, so I just wanted your opinion on [[Forum:Should WoWWiki leave Wikia?|whether WoWWiki should leave Wikia]]. Let me know if you have any questions, or post them on the forums. Also, you're part of the Spanish WoWWiki, so just wanted to see if they were going to do anything. We'll try to keep the interwiki link thing going either way on our side. --{{User:Pcj/sig}} 21:26, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:Done, and I'll be watching it for further feedback ;).--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 11:41, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
==Earth elementals and the Curse of Flesh==
 
Yes, it is speculation and perhaps possible, but in Deepholm, when earth elementals are exposed to it, the Curse of Flesh in manifests itself as fungal in nature, not as ettin or pygmies.--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 21:03, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:Yeah, I know, but it's a possibility, and I felt it was needed to be point it there. There are different types of elementals, and maybe they're the result of some trogg-like cursed ones.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 21:08, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 
 
==About category's name==
 
Hi again. As you know I dont speak English very well so I have a question: is the name "''Warcraft III Building Icons''" is good for category? --[[User:Askarmuk|Askarmuk]] ([[User talk:Askarmuk|talk]]) 16:11, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:Hm... I'm not sure about it; but anyway, we don't need any category like that for now (we still have to categorize loads of other W3 stuff) so I would leave that for later. I'll think of something and will tell you later. Maybe or answer is something like this: [[Wowpedia:List of non-WoW Warcraft icons]] but maybe that's too big for W3, so I don't know. I'll tell you later, but I think we don't need the category :).--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 16:16, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 
 
::The reason of this is that [[:category:Warcraft III Icons]] is very big and i wanna to sort it. And i'm waiting for answer - you can do not rush. --[[User:Askarmuk|Askarmuk]] ([[User talk:Askarmuk|talk]]) 19:34, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:::Yeah, but well, it's hard to sort... the icons are recycled for a lot of stuff. I think that the best is to make an article and sort them there. It's better than a category, in my opinion. But let's finish with what we have before starting to think about more :P.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 19:37, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 
 
::::Category names should be entirely in lower case except for proper nouns like "Warcraft" per the [[Wowpedia:Category policy|category policy]].--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 20:39, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:::::That means that i did a bad thing - see [[:Category:Warcraft III Unit Icons]], [[:Category:Warcraft III Hero Icons]]. --[[User:Askarmuk|Askarmuk]] ([[User talk:Askarmuk|talk]]) 21:27, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:::: I know. The main reason for sorting (as i think) must be use in wc3, not in custom maps and other fan usage. But of course i don't forbid categories above may be deleted (hope it was a good english sentence). --[[User:Askarmuk|Askarmuk]] ([[User talk:Askarmuk|talk]]) 21:27, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 
 
==Orcs==
 
{{User:Sandwichman2448/Orcs|doc= }}
 
 
Hey Lon-ami, I herd you like templates, so I put some templates in your template so you can template while you template. Seriously, what do you think? I feel it ends the minor edit wars.--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 21:08, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:You made my night :p
 
:I prefer my version, players might not know in which Horde a clan is, and may be more interested by the game appearence than the lore appearence.
 
:{{User:A'noob/sig}} 22:42, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 
 
::XDDD.
 
::First of all, orcs instead of orc clans because I could end adding characters and stuff, and all the other organization templates follow that pattern. As for your templates, there's something I don't like in any of them: too much wasted space. I mean, one line for a single clan?
 
::Also, A'noob's has W2 on Flowerpicker, but it hasn't on Blackrock and all the other originals, and yours is ok, but still, too much wasted space.
 
::Another possibility is to classify them by location, although that could be worse than any of the current versions, lol.
 
::Maybe the solution could be to make fields for game, and then mark expansions inside. That would solve the problem of Sandwichman's. In the end, A'noob's is like Sandwichman's, only that prioritizes over WoW instead of the original games.
 
::Something like this:
 
{{Navbox
 
|name = User_talk:Lon-ami#Orcs
 
|title = Orcish clans
 
 
|title=[[Orc]]ish [[clan]]s (Lon-ami, by game)
 
|group1={{WC1-inline}}
 
|list1=[[Warlock clan]]{{·}} [[Necrolyte clan]]
 
 
|group2={{WC2-inline}}
 
|list2=[[Blackrock clan]]{{·}} [[Stormreaver clan]]{{·}} [[Twilight's Hammer clan]]{{·}} [[Black Tooth Grin clan]]{{·}} [[Bleeding Hollow clan]]{{·}} [[Dragonmaw clan]]{{·}} [[Burning Blade clan|Burning Blade]]{{·}} [[Shadowmoon clan]]{{·}} [[Warsong clan]]{{·}} [[Shattered Hand clan]]{{·}} [[Bleeding Hollow clan]]{{·}} [[Thunderlord clan]]{{·}} [[Laughing Skull clan]]{{·}} [[Bonechewer clan]]
 
 
|group3={{WC3-inline}}
 
|list3=[[Dark Scar clan]]{{·}} [[Frostwolf clan]]{{·}} [[Mok'Nathal clan]]
 
 
|group4={{Wow-inline}}
 
|list4=[[Searing Blade]]{{·}} {{Cata-inline}} [[Rageroar clan]]
 
 
|group5={{Novel-inline}}
 
|list5=[[Bladewind clan]]{{·}} [[Lightning's Blade clan]]{{·}} [[Redwalker clan]]{{·}} [[Whiteclaw clan]]
 
 
 
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:''The mighty tree has a massive face shaped in its trunk, with wise, deep-set eyes. It moves with gigantic root-like feet, and two great branches end in huge bark-skinned hands.''<ref>''[[Manual of Monsters]]'', pg. 14</ref>
:But still, I think showing in what WoW expansion they appear may be more important than the original source, since, well, everyone knows most of the clans originated with W2, so it's pointless. But then, the original source deserves some respect, too.
 
:So, in the end, I made my template the way I made it to show when they made it to WoW without prioritizing over any game distribution, just by main faction, which they coincide with the different games.
 
:Of course, my template could be better if you added "Original Horde" and "Old Horde", for W2 and W2X games :P.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 10:53, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 
 
::I strongly doubt that you will end up adding characters and stuff to the 'organization templates', and the other organization templates follow the naming pattern that they do because you enforce it. Also, I think that referring to the versions of the template in plural is a mistake: There should only be one version (see above).--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 16:43, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:::Well, the naming thing started with ogres, and people saying they were clans or tribes, so in the end, we went for organizations.
 
:::I don't understand what you mean with "many versions", anyway.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 20:51, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 
 
::::You discuss the pros and cons of each user's ideas, when they are but sections of a larger template. Everybody wins!--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 20:56, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 
 
::::I really think that the template should be like I made it, or make it like this to be an ass and force the issue.--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 02:30, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:We should open a new forum post for this for more people to discuss the matter. The only thing I dislike about your template is that it's too big and wastes a lot of space.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 10:04, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 
 
::Yeah, a more public place would be better. I just do not like completely subjective sections to be overwritten by whoever edits them next.--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 16:08, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 
 
==Image licensing==
 
Non-licensed uploads makes baby Pandaren sad. --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 19:17, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:I knew I was forgetting something. Oh my, well. Gimme some minutes and I'll fix it :).--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 19:18, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 
 
==Cult of Forgotten Shadow‎‎==
 
Do you actually own, or have you actually read, a copy of World of Warcraft: The Magazine Issue 4? If so, then I am sorry for doubting you.--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 19:16, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:I haven't, but people that had has posted that information at SoL, and I doubt it's some kind of fake (the particular poster ain't that kind of guy). Link here: [http://www.scrollsoflore.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12106] :).--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 20:08, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 
:The particular part is here: [http://www.scrollsoflore.com/forums/showpost.php?p=272557&postcount=35] in case you want to avoid reading through useless posts.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 20:10, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 
::Yes, Omacron too said it came down to trusting the word of the Red Shirt Guy.[http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2325686367?page=2#33] I am having trouble trusting the addition of something when the person who added it admits that it was second hand. Mmm... It can stay. For now.--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 20:24, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:::Don't worry, I'll be the first to remove it if it's false ;).--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 12:26, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 
 
==Reverting moves==
 
Lo siento macho me equivoqué de pestaña y pensaba que estaba en la wowpedia española. Siento que se haya perdido el historial aunque revisándolo eran solo 2 o 3 aportes. Cuando traté de revertirlo al estar creada la redirección habría que haber esperado que se borrara y hubiera tardado más y al ser una entrada muy actual hubiera podido provocar bastante confusión >_< --[[User:Petrovic|Petrovic]] ([[User talk:Petrovic|talk]]) 13:37, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:Si has movido X a Y, puedes mover Y de vuelta a X sin necesidad de borrar la página :P. Ah, y contéstame en tu talk page, que es donde te pongo el mensaje xD.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 10:34, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 
   
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'''Ancients''' are demigod-like trees.<ref>''[[Warcraft III]]'' manual, pg. ??</ref> They are some of the most important creatures in night elf society. They resemble sapient trees, but their wisdom and insight are almost unparalleled. Many of them are thousands of years old. They assist their night elf allies with guidance, education (particularly in the druidic arts), and protection — they are large and powerful, and are protectors of the forest. They are large enough to carry night elves, and some are so enormous that a few night elves make their homes in them. The [[wisp]]s act in unison with the night elves and serve to strengthen the demigod-like trees known as the Ancients.<ref>''[[Warcraft III]] manual'', pg. 119</ref>
== Horde icons ==
 
Gourra decided to remove almost all racial icons that are not in the infobox in the horde page, and i want to know your opinion of it.
 
   
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==Details==
I think it's stupid removing the icons since we use the same rules for every other organization and region/planet.
 
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Most ancients resemble deciduous trees that live in temperate climates, such as oaks and maples. A few evergreen ancients also exist. No reliable reports of tropical ancients have yet surfaced, but the night elves claim that they can exist — and if a colony of night elves moves to the tropics and brings along the appropriate druidic magic, tropical ancients may indeed grace Azeroth's surface. Ancients speak [[Darnassian]], though a few also speak [[Common]]. Their voices sound like ancient trees creaking in the wind.
   
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Ancients are traditionally friends of night elves and good-hearted, but the recent Third War makes them suspicious of non-night elves. They give outsiders a chance to prove their good intentions; but if roused to anger ancients are implacable foes.
Also you Scrolls of lore message box is full and i couldn't send any message <.<--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 21:25, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 
   
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Some ancients patrol their territories, but most spend their time standing still, virtually indistinguishable from normal trees. An ancient may watch intruders, perhaps moving in secret to dog their path. If the outsiders do nothing to harm the forest or nature's balance, the ancient leaves them alone. If the outsiders appear to share the same ideals as the ancient (destroying corrupted creatures or protecting trees from other intruders, for example), the ancient reveals itself and lends assistance. If outsiders abuse the land, the ancient rumbles to a fury and attacks with swings of its arms.<ref>''[[Alliance Player's Guide]]'', pg. 194-195</ref>
==Elfgates and energy fields==
 
I say that the second elfgate was a gate, and you say that "Arthas: Rise of the Lich King said it was a magical barrier (you already have that information above in the very article". You are not citing an article with itself, are you? In Arthas: Rise of the Lich King, the first gate (very much an actual gate) falls on page 223. After that, on page 225, Sylvanas says "The inner gate to Silvermoon can only be opened with a special key" and on page 226 it is written that Arthas "would be able to defeat the magic that powers the elfgates" and that "the first gate was not as magically defended as the second". Ban'dinoriel is mentioned on the next page, but the retrieval of the keys and their use happens offscreen. We never find out what the gate itself was, in my opinion, unless it was the gates of Silvermoon (which were at least mentioned). What do you think?--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 03:26, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 
   
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Giant, sentient trees that sometimes serve as advisors and protectors of the [[Night elf|night elves]] as [[NPC]]s, but also wander the lands as hostile [[Mob|monster]]s. They lack apparent independent construction of settlements, but are otherwise highly intelligent. They can also root into the ground to become more of a tree. The WoW ancients do not seem to utilize this ability.
:Sorry, missed this. I think "magical energy field" is obviously a field that would disappear once dispelled. Anyway, if you feel like so, we could leave both versions (it may have been a magical field as a whole, and be dispelled leaving no trace, or a gate that was destroyed or simply doesn't appear for scale issues).--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 10:55, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 
   
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Male figures with hooded faces fought in the War of the Ancients. The little flesh that could be seen was made of oak bark.<ref>''[[The Sundering ]]'', pg. 186</ref>
::That solution assumes that Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos and Arthas: Rise of the Lich King contradict each other in this regard. The collection of the keys, and the circumvention of any kind of gate appears to not be shown in the book. How do you interpret the chapter?--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 21:02, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 
   
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Able to live for thousands of years, the lifespan of an ancient makes those of night elves look very short. As such, they see time differently from the mortal races, and often times years are seen as akin to seconds. For example, though [[Gnarl]] had known of [[Anessa]]'s death during the [[Third War]], when he met up again with her father, [[Broll Bearmantle]] just before the time of the [[Cataclysm]], he gave his condolences as if the incident had only just happened.<ref>''[[Stormrage]]'', p. 148</ref>
:::I interpret that the gate was magical, and once they opened it, it simply disappeared.
 
:::Gates don't need to look like gates, you know :P.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 09:56, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 
   
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==Additional info==
==Proper source for Vashj'ir demigods==
 
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*Classifying ancients:
You asked for someone to give proper source for the Vashj'ir demigods before putting them back on the [[Ancient Guardian]] page. I put them back because I am not wrong. Please see [[Talk:Ancient_Guardian#Vashj.27ir_Ancients]]. Nespirah is only mentioned to be one is gossip text, which gets removed in phasing (do I have to get an alt that high right now?). L'ghorek is mentioned to be such in similar gossip text, and in at least three quests: [http://www.wowhead.com/quest=26111 here], [http://www.wowhead.com/quest=26130 here], and [http://www.wowhead.com/quest=26140 here]. Your thoughts?--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 19:04, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 
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**Some ancients are classified by {{wow-inline}} [[World of Warcraft]] as being of the [[elemental]] creature type (as are most plant creatures in-game), others are [[giant]]s, and still others are [[uncategorized]]. It is not clear why, as no distinct difference between the kinds of ancients can be brought to light. Several [[treant]]s also have the term "ancient" in their name, but these are much smaller and weaker than regular ancients.{{fact}}
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**In the {{RPG-inline}} [[Warcraft RPG|RPG]], which has a different classification system altogether, ancients are not elementals but instead are large ambulatory plants.
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*Ancients are also native to [[Outland]]. There once was a grove of ancients in the [[Blades Edge Mountains]], its name forgotten. They lived there in ancient times before the destruction of Outland. [[Mosswood the Ancient]] is one of the last of these ancients.<ref>{{questlong|Neutral|67|From the Ashes}}</ref><ref>{{questlong|Neutral|67|Little Embers}}</ref>
   
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[[File:CorruptedAncient.jpg|thumb|Corrupted ancient as seen in Warcraft III.]]
:My main problem is that they aren't called ancient guardians, they're called simply ancients (not Ancients) or ancient ones :S.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 09:52, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 
::If I remember right, most of the Ancient Guardians are referred to simply as ancients in most places. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 09:58, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 
:::[[Aessina]], [[Aviana]] and [[Tortolla]] are called simply ''ancients'', too. I don't think the source for the Vashj'ir demigods should be any problem. --[[User:LemonBaby|LemonBaby]] ([[User talk:LemonBaby|talk]]) 10:10, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 
   
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==Types or subraces of ancients==
::::Dude Lon-ami Ancient Guardian is just a secondary name we found(somewhere no sure where) to clearly separate between the Ancient(trees) and the Ancient(demigods), if they are called ancients are something like deities, they are ancient guardians, don't take the name of the article too much in consideration, it's just technicality, and that can be clearly seen on the first line of text of the article.--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 11:49, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 
   
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*[[Tree of Life]] - {{WC3-inline}}
:::::Ancient =/= ancient. I though only "Ancient" referred to our beloved demigods.
 
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**[[Tree of Ages]] - {{WC3-inline}}
:::::I don't see the "ancient ones" being called "Ancients" anywhere, only "ancients". And no, quest text isn't valid because it always has nouns in upper case.
 
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**[[Tree of Eternity]] - {{WC3-inline}}
:::::Also, Ancient Guardian is a valid name. Just check the article's sources.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 14:38, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 
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*{{RaceIconExt|AncientofLore}}{{NPC|Alliance|Ancient of Lore}} - {{WC3-inline}}, {{wow-inline}} [[NPC]] and [[quest giver]]<ref>{{NPC|Alliance|Onu|Ancient of Lore}}, {{NPC|Neutral|Hastat the Ancient}}, {{NPC|Neutral|Stoma the Ancient}}, {{NPC|Neutral|Vartrus the Ancient}}</ref>, {{bc-inline}} [[Quest giver]]<ref>{{NPC|Neutral|Ashyen|Ancient of Lore}}</ref>
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*{{RaceIconExt|AncientofArcane}}[[Ancient of Arcane]] - {{bc-inline}} [[Mob]]<ref>{{mob|Warp Splinter}}</ref>, {{cata-inline}} [[NPC]]<ref>{{NPC|Alliance|Arcosin|Ancient of the Arcane}}</ref>
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*{{RaceIconExt|AncientofWar}}{{NPC|Alliance|Ancient of War}} - {{WC3-inline}}, {{wow-inline}} [[Guard|Guard mob]] and [[quest giver]]<ref>{{NPC|Alliance|Gnarl|Ancient of War}}</ref>, {{bc-inline}} [[NPC]]<ref>{{NPC|Neutral|Keleth|Ancient of War}}</ref>
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*[[Ancient of Wind]] - {{WC3-inline}}
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*[[Ancient of Wonders]] - {{WC3-inline}}
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*{{RaceIconExt|AncientProtector}}[[Ancient protector]] - {{WC3-inline}}, {{wow-inline}}/{{bc-inline}}
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*[[Corrupted ancient]] - {{RPG-inline}}/{{wotlk-inline}} [[Mob]] <ref>{{mob|Corrupted Lothalor Ancient}}</ref>
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*{{RaceIconExt|Treant}}[[Treants]]
   
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==Named==
:Are they called ancient as old? or Ancient as being Demigod? ps: Did you check what they saids? some screenshoots of what they said would be nice,
 
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*{{NPC|Neutral|Mosswood the Ancient}} - {{Bc-inline}} [[Quest giver]]
:and i know Ancient Guardian is a valid name that's why we use it, i'm just saying that the article refers to all beings called ancients that are demigods, and the list is supposed to contain that, and not just beings that are called ancient guardians--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 14:51, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 
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*{{NPC|Alliance|Ivus}} - Appears in [[Alterac Mountains]]
   
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==References==
::The article is called "Ancient Guardian", not "Ancient". It includes "Ancient Guardians", and nothing else.
 
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{{Reflist}}
::You have WoWHead to check the quests twice and see the word "Ancient" doesn't appear anywhere in upper case.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami#top|talk]]) 15:02, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 
   
:Read the first line of the article(i think this is the case where we influenced blizzard decision, by calling them that to avoid confusion, would ot be the first time apparently)
 
*"Ancient Guardians[1][2] (also known as '''Ancients or ancients''') are demigods of Azeroth."
 
:the article is called that way to avoid confusion with the ancients tree article(they were separated because it got too confusing), this article was created for demigods called ancients, as long it is a demigod and carries the title of Ancient or Ancient Guardian it goes into this article.--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 15:12, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 
   
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{{Nature and Divine}}
::I also don't think the the vasjir demigods are ever called ancients, i'm just trying to clarify some confusion i think i was picking up from you, also i don't have the ability to check the source.--[[User:Ashbear160|Ashbear160]] ([[User talk:Ashbear160|talk]]) 15:20, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 
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:::Just as pointed out by Sandwichman: [[Quest:Unplug L'ghorek]]: ''L'ghorek is '''the ancient''' that rests upon the shelf across from us.'' and [[Quest:Communing with the Ancient]]: ''Enter L'ghorek. Commune with the ancient.'' --[[User:LemonBaby|LemonBaby]] ([[User talk:LemonBaby|talk]]) 15:27, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 
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For old demigods, see Ancient Guardian.

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The mighty tree has a massive face shaped in its trunk, with wise, deep-set eyes. It moves with gigantic root-like feet, and two great branches end in huge bark-skinned hands.[1]

Ancients are demigod-like trees.[2] They are some of the most important creatures in night elf society. They resemble sapient trees, but their wisdom and insight are almost unparalleled. Many of them are thousands of years old. They assist their night elf allies with guidance, education (particularly in the druidic arts), and protection — they are large and powerful, and are protectors of the forest. They are large enough to carry night elves, and some are so enormous that a few night elves make their homes in them. The wisps act in unison with the night elves and serve to strengthen the demigod-like trees known as the Ancients.[3]

Details

Most ancients resemble deciduous trees that live in temperate climates, such as oaks and maples. A few evergreen ancients also exist. No reliable reports of tropical ancients have yet surfaced, but the night elves claim that they can exist — and if a colony of night elves moves to the tropics and brings along the appropriate druidic magic, tropical ancients may indeed grace Azeroth's surface. Ancients speak Darnassian, though a few also speak Common. Their voices sound like ancient trees creaking in the wind.

Ancients are traditionally friends of night elves and good-hearted, but the recent Third War makes them suspicious of non-night elves. They give outsiders a chance to prove their good intentions; but if roused to anger ancients are implacable foes.

Some ancients patrol their territories, but most spend their time standing still, virtually indistinguishable from normal trees. An ancient may watch intruders, perhaps moving in secret to dog their path. If the outsiders do nothing to harm the forest or nature's balance, the ancient leaves them alone. If the outsiders appear to share the same ideals as the ancient (destroying corrupted creatures or protecting trees from other intruders, for example), the ancient reveals itself and lends assistance. If outsiders abuse the land, the ancient rumbles to a fury and attacks with swings of its arms.[4]

Giant, sentient trees that sometimes serve as advisors and protectors of the night elves as NPCs, but also wander the lands as hostile monsters. They lack apparent independent construction of settlements, but are otherwise highly intelligent. They can also root into the ground to become more of a tree. The WoW ancients do not seem to utilize this ability.

Male figures with hooded faces fought in the War of the Ancients. The little flesh that could be seen was made of oak bark.[5]

Able to live for thousands of years, the lifespan of an ancient makes those of night elves look very short. As such, they see time differently from the mortal races, and often times years are seen as akin to seconds. For example, though Gnarl had known of Anessa's death during the Third War, when he met up again with her father, Broll Bearmantle just before the time of the Cataclysm, he gave his condolences as if the incident had only just happened.[6]

Additional info

  • Classifying ancients:
    • Some ancients are classified by WoW Icon update World of Warcraft as being of the elemental creature type (as are most plant creatures in-game), others are giants, and still others are uncategorized. It is not clear why, as no distinct difference between the kinds of ancients can be brought to light. Several treants also have the term "ancient" in their name, but these are much smaller and weaker than regular ancients.[citation needed] 
    • In the Icon-RPG RPG, which has a different classification system altogether, ancients are not elementals but instead are large ambulatory plants.
  • Ancients are also native to Outland. There once was a grove of ancients in the Blades Edge Mountains, its name forgotten. They lived there in ancient times before the destruction of Outland. Mosswood the Ancient is one of the last of these ancients.[7][8]
CorruptedAncient

Corrupted ancient as seen in Warcraft III.

Types or subraces of ancients

Named

References

 
  1. ^ Manual of Monsters, pg. 14
  2. ^ Warcraft III manual, pg. ??
  3. ^ Warcraft III manual, pg. 119
  4. ^ Alliance Player's Guide, pg. 194-195
  5. ^ The Sundering , pg. 186
  6. ^ Stormrage, p. 148
  7. ^ N [67] From the Ashes
  8. ^ N [67] Little Embers
  9. ^ Alliance Onu <Ancient of Lore>, Neutral Hastat the Ancient, Neutral Stoma the Ancient, Neutral Vartrus the Ancient
  10. ^ Neutral Ashyen <Ancient of Lore>
  11. ^ Mob Warp Splinter
  12. ^ Alliance Arcosin <Ancient of the Arcane>
  13. ^ Alliance Gnarl <Ancient of War>
  14. ^ Neutral Keleth <Ancient of War>
  15. ^ Mob Corrupted Lothalor Ancient