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Blood elf?Edit

Why does it say "or blood elf" in parentheses after stating that he is a Highborne? The two are hardly synonymous. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 05:32, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

It is cited. --Sky (t · c · w) 05:42, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm assuming cause in Lands of Mystery, hes a blood elf... and in War of the Ancients hes a highborne... User:Coobra/Sig3 05:43, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
In that case, I'm gonna reword it slightly, because right now it looks like it's saying that "blood elf" is another name for "Highborne." -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 06:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
So Highborne takes precedence over him being called a blood elf? War of the Ancients took place a little bit before Lands of Mystery unless im mistaken.  Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 07:14, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I think it's more the fact that as a Highborne he has a history, and he appears in-game as a night elf rather than a blood elf. But since we can't simply ignore the LoM entry, it's still deserving of a mention (albeit a brief one). -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 07:22, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Well I can see the model is night elf. What if he changed, like 90% of the high elves did, into a blood elf, which is what LoM was probably stating? We don't call blood elves high elves still or high elves night elves still right?  Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 08:57, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Ehy guys the question is: Did blood elves in the War Of The Ancients exist? I think not... Don't forget blood elves are an evolution of the Highborne that only recently developed. --N'Nanz (talk) 09:17, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I think we know blood elves didn't exist in the War of the Ancients. This guy is still alive though. He could have turned into a blood elf.  Rolandius Paladin (talk - contr) 09:41, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Again, though, Highborne and High Elves are NOT the same thing. The High Elves originated from a group of former Highborne, but not all Highborne became High Elves. Basically, for him to be a blood elf, you would have to make a lot of assumptions and allow for a lot of exceptions to the rules and stretch the lore a fair bit. With his backstory, him being a Highborne rather than a blood elf simply fits far better. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:37, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Not to mention that if blizzard wanted him to be a high elf or blood elf, they would have originally used the old highelf model at the start of the game rather than a nightelf model, like they did for so many others. User:Coobra/Sig3 20:43, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Well this isn't the first time something like this has happened. That elf guarding Uther's tomb was said to be a high elf in one source but he obviously has a night elf model. Think it probably relates to why Sylvanas has a night elf model; its more intimidating that the blood/high elf model. That being said, I personally prefer the idea of this guy as a night elf, just makes more sense giving his placement, and gives the night elves an evil aspect to them.Tweak the Whacked (talk) 00:06, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

The "blood elf" notice could stem from the idea that blood elfes have changed from high elves through exposure to demonic magic, and a highborne warlock like Athrikus surely has had that exposure too, and probably some similar traits like green eyes... But the WoW backstory clearly states his Highborne identity. Sylvanas is getting a new model btw ;) --Hurax (talk) 06:05, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, after reading the section on it in LoM, I think I've figured out the discrepincy. Brann didn't actually see Athrikus himself, he was told that he was a blood elf. Night elves don't consider elves who use arcane magic to be night elves any longer, so depending on exactly what he was told, he may have simply assumed that Athrikus was a blood elf. It wouldn't be too much of a strech to believe that whoever informed Brann called him a "high elf warlock" or a "high elf and demonic caster" or some such. Brann would have taken that to mean a blood elf.Tweak the Whacked (talk) 18:13, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Coobra,Point of note alot of the early high elf/blood elf males night elf models to represent them. They were basically indistinguishable except for if you clicked on them...
Tweak while that is one possible way to look at it, I don't think we can put the blame on Brann. My personal opinion? Lands of Mystery was being written around the time of Lands of Conflict (which in itself had been written during beta/early release of World of WArcraft), but was held back in order to re-edit it into World of WArcraft RPG rules updates. The reference to blood elf might be an early concept idea from beta period, that somehow slipped through during the editing process.Baggins (talk) 18:17, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Well, thats definately a likely explaination, but I was trying to offer more of an inuniverse explaination. Not necissarily blaming Brann, but thats one of the things thats so great about him, he makes mistakes. Honest mistakes, and he'll usually correct them later on.Tweak the Whacked (talk) 18:37, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I think some people are confused about ethnic differences in the various elven races. To the best of my knowledge here is what I believe to be the Azeroth elf lineage. Sources for the following are: This site, www.worldofwarcraft.com and various blizzard novels.

First came the Night Elves who were among the first race alongside the trolls. The Highborne were the sect among Night Elves who were Queen Azshara's chosen people and the biggest practioners of the arcane. They were still of the Night Elf race. The Highborne heard and answered the calls of the Burning Legion and worked to bring them to Azeroth. Around this time a few of the Night Elves became Satyrs in their usage of fel magics. Not all Satyrs are former NEs but they were the first of the Satyr race. I am still a bit unclear if all Satyrs are indeed former NE due to contradictory Blizzard sources.

After the sundering (the time when Azeroth's one continent was blown apart and either become new continents or sank to the bottom of the ocean) Queen Azshara and her closest followers became the first Naga (even though she herself is more of an octopus/krakken creature than the standard human top fish bottom model)

The remaining Night Elves decided to forsake the arcane for worship of nature and banished (or they chose to leave) the remaining Highborne who sailed from Kalimdor to Azeroth where they founded their new home in which they could continue their practice of the arcane arts. At this time they changed their names to High Elves and gave up the NE worship of night which accounts for their pale skin. They also lost the nigh-immortality enjoyed by the NE race (NE can be killed but otherwise they live forever).

After the decimation of Silvermoon most of the High Elf race was eliminated. They were also robbed of their main source of arcane energy. Sunstrider manipulated the majority of the remaining HE who by changing their race name to Blood Elves to honor their fallen bretheren and promising them new sources of arcane magic through his alliance with the Naga and Illidan. He also used the racism of a few humans to make them believe that the Alliance(human) had failed them. A small population of High Elves saw through Sunstrider's promises and held to the Alliance while overcoming their arcane addiction.

As the Burning Crusade story arc progressed it was brought to light that Sunstrider's true loyalty was with the Burning Legion and that in his madness he was creating Fel Elves through the consumption of demon blood.

So from this I would state the following with confidence:

1. Highborne were Night Elves. Hence this guy should be a Night Elf since he is still alive from the time of Azshara's rule. 2. Highborne became Naga, Satyr and High Elves. Each of these new races significantly changed from their original Night Elf characteristics. 3. Night Elves who abandoned the arcane remained Night Elves. Illidan would be an exception to this as he was imprisoned instead of changed. 4. Blood Elf does not repesent an ethnic change in the High Elf race as it is a given name by the ruler of the majority of the remaining High Elves. 5. High Elves still remain and are the same as BE. In game there are some differences in models between HE's that existed before the BC expansion. This is probably due designer laziness and does not represent actual racial differences. 6. Some Blood Elves did become Fel Elves after drinking the blood of a demon.

So I am not sure if this guy could technically be a BE as the term exists in WOW. He is more like Illidan pre Warcraft 3:Frozen Throne in that he is a NE that has continued his practice of the arcane. I have noticed in some other instances that differences in media repesentations of Warcraft canon are either retconned or may be the product of an author/licensee being given incomplete concepts upcoming in WOW and other Blizzard first party products. It seems even more prevalent with the Draenei back story.Woadun (talk) 2009-01-01

Woadun, looking at the conversation and knowing a few of the contributors, i'm sure everyone here is well versed in elf lineage. Some users were trying to simply find a way the terms could "bend" to include Athrikus because of a situation that is most likely simply a flat out error. The root of this discussion is not the fact he uses magic, is a warlock, what a highborne and a high elf is, where to draw lines, and how to classify him, etc.... The problem is he has already been classified, in two different ways. He's a night elf in one source, and a blood elf in another, and a few members are trying to justify the discrepency, while others are content to call it an inconsistancy on the part of the rpg. An editorial mistake.Warthok Talk Contribs 03:57, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

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