Talk: Culling of Stratholme (instance)

Mal'ganis?

Any chance we might come across him in addition to Arthas? Something tells me one of the objectives ( in addition to a bloodbath ) will be to keep Mal'ganis from throating Arthas. --Super Bhaal 23:31, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

That answers that! Internets to Leviathon. However, wouldn't "hinder" be more appropriate? Mal'ganis didn't kick until Arthas went to Northrend. --Super Bhaal 18:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Why are we helping Arthas?

I guess the Bronze Dragonflight has yet a good explaination to why we are gonna help Arthas. Wouldn't we be better of if Arthas was killed that day by Mal'ganis? In that case much evil acts would had been avoided from Arthas' later existance as Death Knight. The only good thing I can think of is that Arthas tipped Illidan about the Skull of Gul'dan and Tichondrius. Maybe Tichondrius' death was the key to the Legion's downfall? Well, we will just have to wait and see. --Odolwa 23:12, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

If Arthas hadn't killed all those people, there'd be even more undead running around Lordaeron, and it would probably have fallen a lot sooner. --Super Bhaal 23:16, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

And what would that matter? It wouldn't change anything in the long run. --Odolwa 20:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Killing what must have been 3/4 of 25,000 people might not have seemed to do much. But if you think about what would have happened if those people hadn't died before they got the chance to uh...die, and the "spread on contact" nature of the plague, you'd probably have even more dead people running around Lordaeron, and by the time Arthas came back they probably would then have been strong enough to run into Hillsbrad or Aerie Peak, or even Khaz Modan and Stormwind, kill even more people, and once everything was all nasty and rotted head to Kalimdor and finish up.

So, would you rather be "pretty scummy" and help some madman with a hammer and a book neutralize your ( future ) enemies, or be "really scummy" and let the Burning Legion and the Scourge claim a bunch of corpses to use for whatever they wanted? The Bronze Dragonflight has been telling us to do the "right thing" so far: keep Medivh from getting killed, help Thrall escape Durnholde, hinder Archimonde's ascent... --Super Bhaal 21:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

If Stratholme wasn't slaughtered, Arthas would never have gone to Northrend to become the Lich King, and thus Naxxramas wouldn't exist. Maybe this instance is part of the attunement for the new Naxxramas (wishful thinking here >_>) Jeoh talk · stalk  10:18, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I fail to see how the existance of Naxxramas can be a good thing.. --Odolwa 13:06, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I think we Help Arthas for the same reasons we battle the Infinite dragonflight in other instances: if they change any event the bronze dragonflight should lose the control over time itself, leading to an unknown (we don't know if worst or better but surely more chaotic) future (aka present). The Bronzes say:" Ok, many horrible thinks happened on Azeroth but we still rule it in order to give to the population a future as good as possible." --N'Nanz 13:43, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Naxxramas existed well before Arthas was turned. It's the citadel of Kel'Thuzad, not the citadel of Arthas. :)

This is the current timeline:

• Arthas destroys Stratholme, prevents Mal'Ganis from resurrecting the population.
• Arthas travels to Northrend and gains Frostmourne.
• Arthas kills Mal'Ganis.
• Arthas becomes a Death Knight, kills his father and Uther, destroys Lordaeron and Quel'Thalas, and resurrects Kel'Thuzad.
• Kel'Thuzad summons Archimonde.
• Jaina and Thrall travel to Kalimdor, meet up with the night elves.
• Arthas leads Illidan to the Skull of Gul'dan. Illidan consumes its power, becomes a demon, kills Tichondrius, and kinda screws up the Legion gameplan.
• Archimonde is defeated at the Battle of Mount Hyjal.
• Illidan attacks the Frozen Throne, causing the Lich King (and Arthas) to lose strength.
• Sylvanas creates the Forsaken and destroys the Dreadlord Insurgents.
• Illidan takes over Outland.
• Arthas arrives in Northrend (again), traverses Azjol-Nerub, battles Illidan, and defeats him.
• Arthas becomes the Lich King.

Now this is what I think would happen if Arthas were killed:

• Mal'Ganis destroys Stratholme, raises everyone as Scourge.
• Lordaeron still collapses, though Uther would probably survive. Maybe.
• No one takes up Frostmourne - because there's no one quite as "conflicted" (and thus, easily swayed) as Arthas was. Well, maybe Muradin might find it, but he'll be smart - he realizes the blade is cursed, he doesn't touch that crap.
• The Scourge (probably under Mal'Ganis) destroy Quel'Thalas, resurrect Kel'Thuzad, etc.
• Kel'Thuzad still summons Archimonde.
• Jaina (probably) and Thrall still go to Kalimdor and meet the night elves.
• Illidan doesn't get led to the Skull of Gul'dan (as that was Arthas' doing), therefore he does not absorb its energies and screw up the Legion gameplan.
• Kil'jaeden probably destroys the Lich King, either personally or through some intermediary (probably not Illidan, though).
• Archimonde absorbs the energies of the World Tree.
• The Burning Legion destroys the world.

To quote the philosopher Miller: "That's just my opinion, I could be wrong." --Joshmaul 20:00, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

If Arthas defeated Illidan at Icecrown, why is he still "alive" (killable) at the Black Temple? --  Shandris  talk / contribs 10:46, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Not sure if this is a straight answer to your question or not, but...I think someone said in some other article that Blizzard/Metzen/Longcat wanted Illidan to die, but decided to keep him alive due to his large fanbase.

They probably also kept him to further the story in Outland or something, although if he'd have kicked I'm sure Vashj'd still be pining for Azshara, Kael'd still give Kil'jaeden a call, Akama'd still be babysitting Maiev ( well, either that or he'd decide "you guys suck I'm going home" ), and Maiev would...somehow escape and jump on Arthas for kill-stealing or something. --Super Bhaal 11:11, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

i think its simple, we either help the Bronze Dragon flight or the time line will get affected, they might lose control over time and events, and that will lead to unknown results, which makes sense that keeping things as they are safer. another thing, i think that the existence of the lich king is important, there are the ppl of azeroth (alliance and horde), the legion, and the lich king and his forces, if one went missing, it will be simply a fight between 2 forces, which will lead to direct results, but when we have those three and illidan screwing things in outland we have more complex and enjoyable story, so "why not?" :P --lucifersama 15:51, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

yea, it is simple. if one considers the time paradox simple. basicly, if we don't kill arthas, the world will look different. and by different, it means that we who go back in time to kill arthas, wouldn't exist and be able to go back in time to kill arthas. thus, the world would "end" in a time paradox. instead, we have to keep arthas alive, e.g. not alter history. as simple with keeping arthas alive as rescuing thrall from durnholde. with the idea of time altering and traveling, it'd even be possible that history is and always was us going back in time to help arthas. of course it wasn't the very first time (as time, as it is, wouldn't go on until we're able to go back then) but once it was the "second time", it'll be as it was the first time too.. do i make any sense? User:Taurmindo/sig 11:07, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

It's not we who take the initiative to go back in time, it's a mission given to us by the Bronze Dragonflight. They wouldn't send us back in time only in order to prevent ourselves from not existing, they have a grander scheme in their heads. And no, history have not always been like this, it's been altered by the time of Wrath of the Lich King.--Odolwa 11:41, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Illidan was never retconed alive. Blizzard did not have enough time to do that cinematic. So he never died he was just mortaly wounded. (The same could be said for Lothar and he may still be alive in black rock spire with a huge bandage)--The last Alterac 05:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Well did guys play the Culling and try to fail? If you do ,Malguis will send his undead army to crush the human base and tell Arthas: "Looks like you are not as strong as the Dark Lord thought." So Lich King must have other plans. If Arthas get killed, the Lich King will change his plan, delete the warning on the sword, let the dwarf Muradin pick up the sword. Then the situation will get worse. --Master3, 5 November 2007(UTC)

Stratholme Zoo

Unlike most places in Azeroth Blizzard has been very consistent about the city's structure. It would be a shame if they removed the Zoo from Rein Of Chaos. (BTW. Why is there a thunder lizard there? arnt they supost to be in the barrens)--The last Alterac 05:07, 5 November 2007 (UTC)