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"a legend which no-one belives" Come now. Many people believes this. I have changed it to 'a legend which no ELF believes' because that is actual fact. Saimdusan

Yes gods do not have classes as such... Although she is a "Healer"Template:Cite...Baggins

She's also a warrior, a mother, and a thousand other things. GODDESS.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 19:59, 2 January 2007 (EST)

Nah they didn't make her a warrior, she never fights according to the lore LOL. A mother isn't really a class ;).Baggins 20:08, 2 January 2007 (EST)

You're missing the point entirely. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:10, 2 January 2007 (EST)

Just having fun playing with you ;).Baggins 20:45, 2 January 2007 (EST)

Is "Awesome" an available character class? -- User:Kirkburn/Sig 20:48, 2 January 2007 (EST)

I know "Epic" is for certain classes, but "Amighty" might be possible, ;), :D. By the way she is an "85th-level...Healer" with a "challenge rating if 92", of course those gameplay mechanics will stay out of the article :p. But there isn't anyone any higher as far as I remember when I scanned through that numerical RPG stuff. :p Boring as hell, and I don't understand what half the stuff means, or care to...20:54, 2 January 2007 (EST)

Difficulty is, She isn't almighty, not quite. Even so, She's never been seen in corporeal form. Unlike the gods in most Wizards of the Coast RPGs. I point out again that the Warcraft RPG reads more like a D&D campaign setting. And "healer" doesn't make sense. A cleric in the D&D/NWN sense would, but not healer. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 00:26, 3 January 2007 (EST)

A note about the artist, AD

I utterly loathe that image of Elune- but it's official, so it stays. --Ragestorm 16:36, 17 December 2006 (EST)

It is apparently the work of Allen Dilling he was an artist hired to do artwork for Warcraft III, and World of Warcraft, and has done artwork for Blizzard for the RPG as well. I do not know if he's an employee of Blizzard's or a freelance artist.Baggins 17:21, 5 January 2007 (EST)

I don't care if Metzen drew is personally, it sends totally the wrong impression; Great Goddesses are never portrayed as chibi!--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:31, 5 January 2007 (EST)

No, no don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with criticizing the artwork, I was just letting you know the pedigree behind it.Baggins 20:36, 5 January 2007 (EST)

Nehh, I wouldn't really call it 'chibi'. I mean, it doesn't look chibi, and in my opinion, it's better than the two pictures of a moon and a statue modelled after a stock Night Elf there were before. --Super Bhaal

It's an eyesore, it has a chibi face, and it suggests one of the most powerful beings in Azeroth is a cheap rip-off of the Aphrodite character on Xena. And sign your posts. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:26, 13 January 2007 (EST)

Alrighty, signing posts. Would you like me to remove it, since it's creating all these 'problems'? I mean, like you said, 'it's official', but you're one of the higher-ups, so if you think it's killing the page... --Super Bhaal 16:27, 13 January 2007

Keep it, imo, it is official. We can keep all artwork critiques in the talk page where it belongs. If you hadn't had put it up I would have.Baggins 16:21, 13 January 2007 (EST)

I am being totally honest when I say I wouldn't dream of removing it. It's official, it's professional. I just don't like it. I don't like 18th century portraits, but I hardly think the Met should scrap their exhibition!--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 18:44, 13 January 2007 (EST)

ROTFLOLBaggins 18:45, 13 January 2007 (EST)

Sir, it is Blizzard. They do this kind of thing a lot. Live with it. --SWM2448 16:33, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

Did you even read what he said? He is living with it! I agree Rage, it's fugly. Especially since she doesn't seem to be covered, like, I dunno, AT ALL! Saimdusan 22:43, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

what the heck do you mean it's awful? lol she's HOT. why would you say therwise? i think it should definately stay it's incredible i think the should have shown it in more detailt too. great pic.--Rahnumed 21:11, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Captain Objectification. Look, laughably skimpy paladin armor is one thing. This is a damn deity. This is Varda. She is Glithoniel Ever-white, glory of the starry host, not a Sailor Moon villain. Please. There must be another official picture of Elune out there. Bluemalkin (talk) 23:49, 5 January 2009 (UTC)Bluemalkin

I agree that it's a nice picture, but as far as extra detail goes I think Samwise Didier was busy with other art. She's an eternal, and can afford to wear little to nothing. I mean, look at Archimonde. He wore nothing but a loincloth and shoulderpads that would make the cast of Dynasty jealous.

They could have really underdressed her like with the picture of Tyrande ( who wore less and nobody's griping ) from the same book...as for her lack of armor, it's a fantasy game for cryin' out loud! Grom Hellscream didn't wear anything but pants and a shoulderpad and according to Shadows & Light he had a +5 mithril full plate of fortification; Uther looked like he was wearing a t-shirt and a bunch of rags and he had +5 adamantine full plate of fortification...hell, Illidan doesn't have anything on but pants and a huge belt. --Super Bhaal 00:45, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Define "chibi".--Austin P 01:01, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Child-bodied. Potato1 (talk) 21:52, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Just a myth?

This Elune stuff is weird, one one side there is god like beings who shape worlds and all that and the lore recognizes the world as round and the stars as burning balls of gas, on the other it has Elune being some mysterious goddess and the stars somehow changing from balls of burning gas to the souls of night elves or something.

Is it possible that Elune and the night elf religion is just that, a set of myths, and the priestly powers that NE priests wield is just the force...sorry, "The Light" in another form?.

I guess I'm still getting to grips with this situation where incredibly powerful immortal beings are the ones interfering, shaping and all that, and the heavens themselves seem dominated by Titans, Burning Legions and Light loving Naaru, yet there is also honest to god (forgive the pun) Gods yet they don't seem to do much else apart from exist somewhere in some abstract function.

In Forgotten Realms, The gods could interfere, in some cases could die, but were still gods, whats Blizzard wanting to achieve?, I get the impression on one side they want a fantasy flavored sci-fi universe wide war, yet on the other they are trying to make room for abstract un-interfering gods. Are they more powerful then Titans?, why do they chose to not interfere with the world?, how can Titans be traveling the universe wielding powers beyond contemplation yet gods that are confined to small worlds and certain aspects and portfolios can exist and yet be considered gods where Titans aren't?. As a personal opinion alone, I'de love for Blizzard to be more sure in their lore about the status of the divine. While as a cultural quirk I don't mind a bunch of forest dwelling humanoids worshiping the moon (we didn't mind doing it for thousands upon thousands of years) I wouldn't mind knowing where gods fit into the grand scheme of things. If Titans and the Burning legion aren't spiritual or divine and aren't gods, then is there a proper hell? proper demons? real life evil gods?. Its like theres two mythologies trying to occupy the same niche, it does my head in. :P

In short, I'de like to know if the Titans fluff is "real" and the other religious mumbo jumbo is mostly just cultural flavorings?, on one account we have a god like stag creating the world and nature, and getting his jiggy on with the moon to birth Cenarius, while on the other hand we have a primal world ruled by old gods and elemental servants, with godlike (yet somehow not gods) Titans defeated the old gods who apparently held total dominion over ancient Azeroth, and shaping it into their own designs. It feels like theres conflicting lores competing for one world. It could be that Elune and Malorne were "good" old gods who stayed out the way so to speak, but it doesn't awnser the fact that theres a universe of worlds where these gods aren't worshiped, but don't exist. As I said, as cultural religious flavourings its all fine, but in a fantasy where gods and their powers are manifest upon a world, it kind of presents problems.

--Nurizeko

Elune has displayed (and the Warcraft encyclopedia confirms) that she is her own being; she specifically shielded Tyrande in the War of the Ancients. She can't be the Light at all, unless you've seen a paladin rain starshards down. The answer to most of the above is "we don't know." The titans have apparantly been retconned from "gods" to godlike," all I can really say on the subject.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 09:18, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

Hmm, apparently the Titans have challenge ratings ranging from 65 to 77; Elune on the other hand is a 92. I hope that sheds some light on your question. --Super Bhaal 03:57, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

Personally, I don't buy that Tyrande being "shielded," and "starshards," are proof of Elune's existence. Although it doesn't give us any reason to believe so, I have a theory that Elune is merely a figment of Night Elvish imagination. To me, that's a Metzen-esque twist. Besides, there are no real deities in Azeroth. The Loa Gods don't seem to be... Gods. I mean, we KILL Shadra. Not an avatar of Shadra. We kill SHADRA.

We rebind Myzrael, we take can take down C'thun (where does it say he's weakened, anyway?), we kill Shadra, and sooner or later, we're going to be meeting the Titans. (-> Ulduar/Uldum, maybe?) Also, the "Light," isn't so much an abstract force, as it is a bunch of sigil-like aliens granting Humans (and then other races, subsequently) they've never contacted with otherwise, the power to heal and resurrect and such.

There really isn't anything that is abstract in WarCraft. And if there IS something, it doesn't remain that way for long. --Yaki 04:30, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

According to the RPG Elune is the only "real" or "true" God/dess, while all other Eternals are just, demigods or less.Baggins 05:06, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Granted, the RPG isn't very definitive in lore and storyline. I mean, Teron Gorefiend, amirite? --Yaki 05:26, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Depends, if its Brann, or other in-universe source, they give out several possible theories and never claims any specific one is definitely right. Brann has only given one theory for Teron Gorefiend, and he gave at least two other opposing and contrasting theories as well, for why it might not be Teron (Sargeras or some unknown being). In-universe sources having opposing views is similar to opposing theories given in World of Warcraft by various characters as well. As for the "Elune" being the only "true" or "real" God, that is mentioned in the RPG (in more encyclopedic style rather than in-universe for the most part), but its hardly the only source for that comment. Warcraft Encyclopedia brings it up as well. In anycase RPG is under Metzen's control and he is on its staff, like any other source material.Baggins 05:31, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, it could all get clear if, instead of thinking about Elune as religious stuff, just take her NE idea as that. The most certain is that Elune is the light and the God-mother all in one, its just the diferent races sees her in diferent ways (religious stuff). It becomes much acepptable whe you confront Malorne NE and tauren tales. Elune wanted to create Cenarius (well, or just to **** with Malorne, who knows), so she convince the Taurens, as the Earth-mother to hunt it. Or not...--Orcnoel (talk) 19:49, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

No sources have called Elune the light. I hate to be the party pooper but we pretty much know exactly what Elune is. What the NE believe is not simply their perception, but the reality (with one or two small exceptions such as her sleeping in the former well). The tauren myths are just that: myths, they don't have to be anything more, nor do they have to be justified to make sense.Warthok Talk Contribs 21:22, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Watch the language, please, Orcnoel. You can phrase that without resorting to R-rated language. Tiraline (talk) 21:34, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Old God(ess)?

Just a thought since most of the old gods have there own cults (E.G Cthun the aquir and Ragnoras' dark iron dwarves). What if the Night elves are actualy worshiping an OLD GOD??? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The last Alterac (talk · contr).

1) Sign your posts, please. 2) this is not a forum, the discussion pages are for discussing edits to the articles, and 3) Elune has diametrically opposed all previous schemes of the Old Gods and appears to be far more benign than all of them combined- if she is one of them, she's done a complete 180. -_Ragestorm (talk · contr) 13:58, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

If Elune was an old god her lieutenant would probably be Therazane for obvious reasoms. Therezane is the most benevolent of the elemental lords, and druids still revere her. She seems almost completely opposite of what we know of the old gods and elementals in general. Considering that the various elementals are at war with each other, could the Old Gods been at war with each other before the Titans showed up? This would open up the possiblity that perhaps if Elune was an Old God and the only benevolent one, she may have sided with the Titans, thus establishing the connection between her people's druids and Therazane.Baggins 16:21, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

This would mean that the Old Gods themselves don't conform to the elemental pentarchy, as Elune clearly isn't earth-based. The night elves believed that Elune slept beneath the Well of Eternity during the day, which is likely the legend that would arise if she were the Old God imprisoned/dwelling beneath the Well. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 17:39, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

A couple of those responses I've heard were like. "Yeah Right" and ironically in the same post "Maybe she was like a good/not evil old god". I want either flat out nubish response or something compelling (The flat out nubish response is so we can laugh at the idiocy). What I have hear is just unhumourous hypocritical (Generaly hypocrites are humorous in there acts) work with sympathy and idiocy --The last Alterac 03:31, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Huh?Baggins 05:31, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

^ what he said.Warthok 06:24, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Short answer: Yes, it might be possible, but probably not. Long answer: No. --Sky (t · c · w) 06:31, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and put this in as speculation. Further discussion on the topic itself should be moved to the analysis page, discussion on editing the subsection should stay here Oakpack4 (talk) 01:58, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Troll god?

Going by the theory that the Night Elves were a tribe Dark Trolls who were mutated by the Well of Eternity, could Elune be one of their "gods" (Animal aspects, Hakkar, etc. - you know what I mean), and their perception of her was altered as they changed and years went by? Assuming that other Dark Troll tribes follow her as well, the fact that the presumably war-like and violent Shadowtooth Clan allied with the Night Elves willingly during the Battle of Mt. Hyjal makes more sense, having the same religion and what not. --Solbur (talk) 18:27, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Makes alot of sense, considering WCIII events and all that. I could see this as a possibility, considering alot of primitive cultures worship the moon. Hdrsa (talk) 19:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Zim'torga is very similar to elune--Ashbear160 (talk) 18:45, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Elune as a Naaru

The WoW Insider article was self-admitted theorycrafting and a photoshopped screenshot, NOT fact. It does not belong in the article. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:55, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Or, in a video I often like to post... --Joshmaul (talk) 19:05, May 3, 2010 (UTC)