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The Combat Rating entry states that every 3.94 points of expertise rating grants one expertise. I don't know what the source is, however an edit should be made, I think. The actual Expertise required given that figure is 88.256, or 89, rather than 88. Paw 09:09, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I made an adjustment to this page, to reflect that races which receive Expertise bonuses as a racial will only receive that bonus when equipped with a weapon of that type. If this is not notable, feel free to remove. Suzanne 11:36, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

When dual-wielding does the offhand also receive the racial expertise bonus (e.g. Orc Shaman)? For example, Axe+Mace - does the mace get +5 expertise for an Orc?

Yes, the orc would get +5.
No, it does NOT. You can see this in the character tab ingame. A different expertise value will be listed for each weapon. - Alltat (talk) 23:23, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

›› Arideni т 15:18, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect. Main Hand and Off Hand have seperate Expertise Ratings. Both Main Hand and Off Hand get the full benefit of any Expertise Bonuses from items, but in the case of an Orc weilding an Axe and a Mace, the Axe would have 5 more Expertise.Suzanne (talk) 21:53, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Link to the is dead. Kuchulainn 01:19 24 February 2010 (EST)

Chart overkill Edit

The huge "expertise caps" charts seem rather pointless. All talents and racial bonuses are now included in the expertise number(s) shown on the character tab, so there really isn't any reason for any charts beyond "you need this much to get rid of dodge, and this much to get rid of parry". At most, include a list of talents, racials and glyphs that grant expertise. - Alltat (talk) 23:23, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Too convoluted and missing some info Edit

I'm not an unintelligent guy (though I am tired) but I found this article very difficult to follow for, and therefore apply to, my level 47 Combat Rogue main. Even combined with the expertise calculator at For a start, there's no mention of the unmodified base chance a mob has to dodge and/or parry, that I can see. The only figures I found were at, which states 5% unmodified base chance to dodge, +0.2% per level above your toon's. Can this be confirmed or denied? The article I link to is from 2008. Apart from that, the article is generally written from the point of view of a high-level character, which is not always helpful. Even then, it's often unclear which level toon is being referred to. Basically the whole thing needs tidying up so that it's more readable by a layman—which, let's be fair, is the whole point of this wiki: to enlighten laymen! :) Enigbo (talk) 05:36, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Druid dps cap Edit

I believe that the number for druids in the dps cap table is wrong. 214 was the old exp cap (without Primal Precision), so I think the author just missed that one. The evidence is, because of a messed up calculation, I took 208 exp rating on my druid and this resulted in 27 expertise.

Digits in Expertise Rating Edit

When it says "every 7.688690185546875 points of expertise rating grant 1 expertise," why are there so many digits beyond the decimal point? I changed it before so that it rounded off to the hundredths place and read "7.69" rather than the whole number, but someone changed it all back.

The use of so many digits seems horribly distracting and pointless. Does anyone really need to be that precise in calculations? Given that the number of expertise points we use from gear are on the order of hundreds of points, it doesn't make sense to go out that far in terms of digits.

The number of digits is a bit insignificant to the overall article, I know. But I found the over-precision to be really distracting from the overall article.


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