Talk:Faceless one

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Ugh.. am I just crazy? I remember these things being nasty slime/tentacle things in the Frozen Throne.. not humanoid mindflayer-looking things. Of course I'm only running off memory, so I have no doubt that I'm totally wrong. I think I'll be playing through the entire Warcraft series later on so I can reaffirm my faulty memory. --Anticrash 12:05, 29 Dec 2005 (EST)

You're not wrong. The image sure does look like one of the Unbroken from WC3:TFT. Could they be the same thing? Never heard of the Faceless Ones.

--Fandyllic 1:33 PM PST 29 Dec 2005

take a look at [1]

--LemonBaby

I've seen that link before LemonBaby, thats why I'm so confused. --Anticrash 00:09, 30 Dec 2005 (EST)

I replayed the campaign in the Frozen Throne and confirmed my suspicions. I had no recollection of the Faceless Ones being members of the Unbroken race. All I had recalled were the large tentacles, which I realize now are apparently appendages of the Forgotten One that emerge from cracks in the floor throughout the map. I don't know where I got slime from...

So I read somewhere that the Old God Cthun lies buried within the planet, and awaits his rebirth in Ahn'Qiraj. Since the Faceless/Forgotten One(s) were buried beneath Northrend, it makes sense that they are somehow connected to the Old Gods (who were imprisoned deep inside the earth by the Titans). Since the Faceless/Unbroken are buried with the Old Gods, its logical that they'll be making an appearance in one of the Ahn'Qiraj instances when the Hand and Mouth of C'thun show up. --Anticrash 10:05, 30 Dec 2005 (EST)

I think what you mean by "slime tentacle things" may be this (sorry, kinda hard to see): [2]

Or this (at the bottom of the page): [3]

--Gilmat

Contents 1 Silithus and The Faceless One 2 Faceless and Unbroken 3 Servants of C'thun 4 Arthas's Mission 5 Naxxramas 6 Draenei 7 Let's settle this 8 Qiraj to Nerubian 9 Forced Evolution by the Old gods 10 Faceless Ones in WoW WotLK 11 Pwnerpwner's Inference 12 Trolls

Silithus and The Faceless One

Do you remember in Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne, One of the Campaign with Maiev ? She enter the Tomb of Sargeras with Naisha. There is many flash about the story, etc etc. At the end, she meet Illidan in the last room, and there is a big monster... a big Mouth who spawn tentacle ! There was also Faceless one with that strange creature. If you check WoW Model viewer, there is some monster called "The Mouth of C'thun" and the "The Hand of C'thun". The hand of C'thun is a kind of Tentacle like in the Warcraft 3 Campaign with Maiev. I guess the Faceless one are like the Silithis... a Creature who mutated because of the influence of the Old Gods. --Shatiana 19:26, 29 Dec 2005 (EST)

Faceless and Unbroken

In the Undead missions, The Faceless Ones and the Unbroken were the same race, and were identical apart from skin color (Faceless Ones were a dark purple, Unbroken were almost pink) and size. as for the Old God connection- let's see what Blizzard comes up with! Faceless Ones in Ahn'Qiraj would definetly be an interesting plot twist.- Ragestorm, Head Bookkeeper

Servants of C'thun

"The Faceless Ones, we have come to find, were the servants of the Old God, C'thun."

What's the source for the above claim? I can't find anything verifying it.--Aeleas 12:58, 24 March 2006 (EST)

The Faceless Ones, we have come to find, may be the servants of the Old God, C'thun. How they came to be in Northrend is unknown.

If there's nothing concrete backing this, I think it would be best to remove it. There is a lot of speculation around the beings Arthas encountered and C'Thun or the other Old Gods, but until we have something concrete, I think it's best to keep speculation separate. --Aeleas 12:13, 6 April 2006 (EDT)

Arthas's Mission

I don't remember anything about maiev encountering them but I do remember Arthas and Anu'burak blundering into them along with dozens of tentacles. Shortly there after they first encountered the faceless ones. Is it just me or do these creatures REALLY make one think of H.P. Lovecraft. The simularities between C'Thun and Cthulhu (not many except the name and sleeping god persona) makes me think Blizz wants to believe the old gods (and C'Thun in particular) rule over the faceless ones.--Darkling235 20:21, 26 April 2006 (EDT)

Naxxramas

Is it just me or does this seem like a faceless one http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/imageviewer.html?/info/underdev/1p11/,images/,18,18,http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/1p11/roadtodamnation3.html

looks to me like some sort of fungal golem. Faceless Ones tend to look like they're made of tentacles, and so far we've only seen them with skins of blues and pinks. also, Faceless One eyes are triangles of solid color. And I don't think they're that large. Even so, lore-wise, why would Faceless or Unbroken be in Naxxramas? --Ragestorm 21:00, 28 April 2006 (EDT)

I'd have to assume Arthas has raised at least a few of them. With the Forgotten One beaten down at least temporarily I'd be surprised if he hadn't recruited some of them.--Darkling235 15:40, 30 April 2006 (EDT)

• Naxxramas was in Lordaeron prior to Arthas encountering the Faceless Ones.
• Faceless Ones might not be able to become undead
• If Arthas bothered to reanimate them, that means he respected them enough to do so. There was no hint in the campaign that he was impressed enough to do so.
• The Upper Kingdom, where most of the Faceless Ones lived, was cut off by the cavequake at the end of that chapter. The Inner Kingdom caved in prior to that, when the Forgotten One died.

--Ragestorm 13:50, 1 May 2006 (EDT)

Draenei

Is it only me, or do the features of the Faceless Ones remind you awfully much about the Draenei? They are blue, they are bipedal, they have the same "pig-feet", they have the facial tentacles, they seem to be about the same proportions as the (uncorrupted) Draenei. All those similarities lead me to ponder whether the Faceless Ones actually can be a corrupted state of Draenei, like the Lost Ones and the Broken. --Davaeorn 11:57, 11 May 2006 (EDT)

Ummm... I don't really see it- anyway, recall that the Faceless Ones were regarded as legends by the Nerubians, no young race themselves. This would mean that the Draenei would have had to A) have found Azeroth in the distant past and B) have landed their long enough to leave their descendants, but to have still fled to Draenor. While this could link the two, it is not likely because any world with the slightest trace of Draenei magic would have been Burned by the Legion- Kil'jaeden would not have allowed any Draenei to survive by any means. --Ragestorm 16:33, 11 May 2006 (EDT)

But then again, the Legion haven't been able to burn Azeroth as of yet, and seeing how few of those Faceless Ones we've seen in the Warcraft mythos, we can safely say that if any kind of migration of these creatures would have been minor to say the least - perhaps insignificant enough for the traces of magic to be cloaked by the likely much greater magical powers of a more potent and numerous civilization. Since we do not know when they appeared on Azeroth (still in the theory of them being originally Draenei), we cannot either pinpoint which that civilization would have been, but perhaps the Gurubashi Empire or even the highborne.

I still see striking physical resemblance :) --Davaeorn 05:05, 18 May 2006 (EDT)

On another note, they might even have been in their original forms upon arriving on Azeroth, and twisted later on as a result of their allegiance with the Silithid and C'thun. If this is the case, they can safely have escaped Kil'Jaedens wrath by being proteges of the former mentioned. Perhaps this was choosing the lesser evil. --Davaeorn 05:11, 18 May 2006 (EDT)

Or, they are not even Draenei, but Eredar. We do not know if the Legion and the Old God works towards a common goal, or have any kind of bond or alliance. If they do, exchange of forces can't really be ruled out. There can be hundreds of other possible scenarios as well. --Davaeorn 05:32, 18 May 2006 (EDT)

While I must disagree with you, I commend you heartily for actually posing theories instead of just saying, "well, look at them!" ;-P If the War of the Ancients books are canon, which they probably are, Krasus seems to be aware that the Old Gods and the Legion are not friends, if not directly at odds. The Old Gods aren't obsessed with the Burning of all worlds in the Nether. in terms of mental processes, the Eredar would be unlikly to take on any new forms that limit their magic, and the Draenei would probably consider joining with the darkness of the Old Gods an affront to the Light- though I'll admit that there's room for anything, as the lore is nearly nonexistent. --Ragestorm 07:12, 18 May 2006 (EDT)

There's no reason to assume that, should the faceless ones have connections to the Draenei, that they had to have come before the Nerubians. Anyway... The tentacles on the Eredar/Draenei look vestigial in nature, much like a human appendix. That along with the other physical similarities leads me to believe that there is a connection between the Faceless and the Eredar/Draenei. Besides that, the parallels between the title "Unbroken" and "The Broken" branch of the Draenei adds even more evidence to a connection. Just an observation, the Unbroken seemed subservient to the other Faceless during 7.3 in the campaign, showing up with one Faceless surrounded by 4 Unbroken and other such matchups. Another thing, I was recently reading the WotA series and I noticed a number of connections to the Old Gods: Azshara and the Highborne being transformed into Naga by the OG, Neltharion being corrupted... I just had a crazy thought, would it be possible for the Forgotten One to be a creation of Deathwing in the image of the Old Gods that corrupted him, with the Faceless Ones as his minions? The Faceless and Forgotten seem to have been revealed when Illidan split Northrend, even the king of Azjol-Nerub did not recognize them, calling them legends. It is known that Malygos resides in Northrend, is it possible that Deathwing was trying to finish what he started? Or perhaps he was only trying to create a new Old God, maybe even as a vessel for the other Old Gods to inhabit. God, speculation drives me mad. Perhaps in the next Expac.

First of all, sign your posts, please. The implication is that the Faceless predate the Nerubians by virtue of Anub'arak's reaction. The Neltharion connection does work, but again, we have the issue of time: as Azol-Nerub predates the War by centuries at the least, anything beneath Azol-Nerub would have to be older still (as you pointed out, Illidan inadvertently released them). As for the Unbroken, there's bee no evidence of them at all. --Ragestorm 13:12, 31 July 2006 (EDT)

I was just wondering about the timeline bit. What if the faceless ones / unbroken are descendands of the eredar, but of the original original ones. What if Kil'jaeden and Archimonde were not the first to experiment with portals? What if other eredar went to Azeroth before Sargeras found Argus (perhaps this portal activity was even the magic which attracted Sargeras in the first place). Perhaps they were just sucked into the portal and the next moment they found themselves on an entirely different planet, without civilization, perhaps they just made the wrong friends (C'thun, or another old god) in their quest for survival and over time they were turned into their current state. Or perhaps one of the primitive insectoid races (whichever one it was...) put them under ground, where they were morphed into faceless ones.

Obviously this is a lot of speculation...but it would be a possibility...and imo more likely than "the draenei using the exodar theory" --HEMA 18:13, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

Let's settle this

Once and for all: where does it say there is a connection between the Faceless Ones and the Old Gods?--Ragestorm 21:58, 20 December 2006 (EST)

I don't think it says this anywhere, but if the connection between the forgotten one and C'thun is true, the fact that the forgotten one controlled them makes it almost certain they are related to the old gods. ~Gamerxl

And where is the connection between the Forgotten and C'Thun confirmed? --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 22:55, 14 February 2007 (EST)

I don't know whether this is official, but Blizzard has a spotlight campagin on TFT A user made this and apparantly Blizzard thought it (and it's lore) was good. You play with various dwarves and fight faceless ones, who serve the old gods.

here's the link: http://www.battle.net/mod/mapvault_archive2.shtml

Been a while since I played it, think chapter 2 features some notes on the faceless ones, whereas the 3rd chapter really is about the faceless ones...

Note: there are various other custom campaigns for TFT, also set in Azeroth, which often feature (partially) incorrect lore and so far none of those have been a spotlight map...makes one wonder...

--HEMA 16:23, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

Mod/Mapvaults are player submitted maps and mods, and player made descriptions, but don't represent Blizzard authorized lore.Baggins 16:17, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

Baggins beat me to it. Just because Blizz liked the campain, doesn't mean it's in any way approval of the story. Kirkburn talk contr 16:19, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

I know the maps are player submitted...but I figured blizzard would only allow users to do so if they liked the map, and in this case if the lore is consistant... --HEMA 16:25, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

Naw its more about liking the maps, not about necessarily about the lore. Many of the submitted maps have little or to no lore, or have silly stories that nothing to do with lore. But Blizzard would post up whatever background the authors had for the maps to explain the content of the files.Baggins 16:33, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

As for a list of maps Blizzard claims as their own maps rather than just being fan mods/maps see;[4]Baggins 16:42, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

Qiraj to Nerubian

This is of course speculation, but I think it bares mentioning. So far you have two races both of which came from the Aqir. You have the head of the Qiraj in C'thun, and a similiar powerful creature of the Nerubians in The Forgotten One. You have the main body of the Qiraj in the Silithid Tanks while you have the Nerubians as the main bulk of the Nerubian empire. I believe that The Faceless Ones are simply the Nerubian equivelant of the Silithid Gladiators.

As has been the trend in the other castes, you can see a distinct visual similarity between Gladiators and Faceless Ones. They both share the broad upper body that tappers down into a smaller set of legs, a set of dual pointed toes, and lastly both have a much larger right arm compared to their left. --Sylvania 22:31, 16 February 2007 (EST)

Forced Evolution by the Old gods

In Ahn'Qiraj there are two distinct races that are seen. The silithid and the the Qiraji. The qiraji are C'thuns favoured minions. Sentient and with a purpose. C'thun found the silithid thousands of years ago and forcefully evolved some of them into the Qiraji to serve as Overlords. Exaclty how they control the silithid isn't entirely clear, likely some form of mental domination power given to them by the Old god. The Qiraji however are not 'controlled' by C'thun. They serve the Old god willingly and carry out its bidding.

So from this the Old gods have demonstrated the ability to change nearby lifeforms into desired shapes/forms to serve whatever purpose. Not all of these creatures created are as servitors. Sometimes the Old gods will create entities to represent their disdain for mortal lifeforms in general. Ouro the sandworm for example is one such creature. A monstrous critter created as a mockery of life. The same could be said for Viscidius but there is little to no information to support this. Ouro is easily a match for C'thun in terms of power and in game difficulty, but is probably too stupid (Doesnt carry the sentience that the Qiraji do) to know any better.

The faceless ones of Azjol'nerub are likely the sentient servitors of the Old god buried there, much like the Qiraji are the servitors of C'Thun. However its possible the 'Forgotten one' that Arthas and Anub'arak defeated Is a montrosity created by the Old god as a mockery of life. Its resemblance to the Old god C'thun is hard to dismiss, but the odds of a weakened hero with a small band of minions defeating an Old god are slim to none. its' possible its existance is comparable to that of viscidius or Ouro in ahn'qiraj. A monstrosity based on local lifeforms, empowered and warped to the Nth degree. The Faceless ones bare a nasty tentacle like appearance and there were tentacles being spawned all throughout the deeper caverns of Azjol'nerub in wc3:tft. There may yet be other lifeforms deep beneath the old kingdoms of Azjol'nerub that have yet to be seen.

Of course it is just as likely the forgotten one is simply the Old god buried beneath the ruins and is in fact dead at the hands of Arthas and Anub'arak. If it was not the old god however, it leaves open the possibility of the Old god being added as a possible raid boss in future expansions. Ideally Azjol'nerub would be a massive (on a whole new scale) underground dungeon with 3 major hubs. The upper kingdoms, dominated by undead and lorded over by Anub'arak. The lower kingdoms, Controlled partially by the remaining free nerubians and dwarven forces. And lastly the deep caverns beneath the kingdoms, controlled by the faceless ones serving the Old god and further inhabited by horrors not yet seen in the warcraft universe. This would give blizzard room to play around with some new monster ideas at the very least. Thraks66 03:04, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Faceless Ones in WoW WotLK

will we be able to se Faceless Ones in WotLK?? 16thDay 23:04, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Unannounced so far, but given that we will certainly be visiting Azjol-Nerub a fair amount, I say the liklihood is extremely high. Kirkburn talk contr 23:39, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Pwnerpwner's Inference

Long ago, there were five Old Godss who ruled the world with their Elemental minions. When the Titans came to Azeroth, a horrific battle between the gods ensued, resulting in the death of many Titans and even two of the Old Gods themselves. They shackled the others deep beneath Azeroth's surface, one in what would become Tirisfal Glades, another beneath the center of the continent, and the last to the far north. Then, they created the Well of Eternity at the center of the continent they shaped into perfection: Kalimdor. However, one of the two left for dead didn't fully die. A group of massive insects emerged from the ether of the Well, and moved at once into the west. There, the Old God found them and gifted some, and the Aqir were born, insectoid to rule over the more primal Silithid. Extreme expansionistic and incredibly evil, they took over the lands of the west, causing trouble to the Trolls. Another great war was fought, resulting in the destruction of Azj'Aqir and the splitting of the Aqir race. When the race split, some fled south and some fled north. The ones in the south were once again enslaved by the Old God, who they named C'thun. But the ones in the north escaped such a fate, building the massive underground city of Azjol-Nerub and becoming the arachnoid Nerubians. The Nerubians had 20,000 years to perfect their technological skills and arcane abilities and stood unchallenged in both. Though when the Night Elves came and grew superior in their magical skills, the scholarly Nerubians were still considered by far the most advanced race on Azeroth until the coming of the Lich King... In the chaotic battle between the powerful Nerubians and Scourge, the city was ultimately collapsed, killing many of both. However, their corpses were only reanimated as Crypt Fiends, and, in the case of the Nerubians' high lawmaker Spiderlord caste, Crypt Lords. Even after that, Illidan used a spell from Dalaran to try and destroy Icecrown Citadel, but was stopped. However, these quakes opened up tunnels in the areas still held by the Nerubians in Azjol-Nerub... And out came the Faceless Ones, monstrosities from the Old Gods! Looking far back into the command structure of the Faceless Ones, you'd find that they're spawned and controlled by a group of Old God-like deities called the Forgotten Ones. <WARNING. LORE STOPS HERE AND MY INFERENCE BEGINS.> But farther back, there exists the Old God chained in the north, whom the Forgotten Ones spawned from... Soon, the Nerubians and "mysterious force" made a truce. The Nerubians would provide the Old God with much needed magic skills, whereas it would provide them with the brute force and protection of the Faceless Ones. They came to call this Old God the Nameless One, as it did not have a name. Now, the alliance between the two is powerful enough to topple even the Scourge...

Trolls

I saw that someone speculated that these might be related to the draenei, but i think that trolls might be more accurate, they share some similarities: Both have two toes, three fingers and share at least some facial similarities. As we dont know where trolls came from (assuming elves evolved from trolls and not the opposite way), maybe trolls evolved from the faceless? Titan cleansing mayby? Trolls have always had a minor relation to old gods, so why not? --Treetar (talk) 15:04, 7 May 2008 (UTC)