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Agreed on the merging, and while we're at it, delete Dwarven Flying Machine. There are only two helicopter-like machines - the Gnomish Flying Machine and the Dwarven Gyrocopter - no Dwarven Flying Machine ;-)--Tinkerer 11:02, 28 September 2006 (EDT)

Dwarven Flying Machines exist.--SWM2448 23:18, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Look, the problem here is ambiguity. Clearly in Warcraft lore, technology is evolving but the terminology is not. In the real world we have designators to identify specific lineages and models of aircraft. The people at Blizzard have simply not been helpful enough to create an established name system to identify different makes and models of aircraft, and nobody in the fan community is willing to acknowledge any ad-hoc numbering scheme. So far, the closest we've come is to try to cling to a naming scheme like this:

  • Gnomish Flying Machine- Warcraft II
  • Dwarven Gyrocopter - Reign of Terror
  • Dwarven Flying Machine - Frozen Throne and WoW
  • Gnomish Biplane & Bomber - WoW
In the real world they might follow more like this using the US Tri-Service Designation System:
  • OSH-1 Gnomish Flying Machine - Warcraft II
  • AH-2 Dwarven Gyrocopter - Reign of Terror
  • UH-3 Engineer Flying Machine - Burning Crusade
  • UH-3A Epic Engineer Flying Machine - Burning Crusade
  • YFV-1 Dwarven Flying Machine - Frozen Throne
The V indicates the tilt-wing configuration which disappeared in WoW
  • F-1 Dwarven Flying Machine - WoW
  • OA-2 Gnomish Biplane - WoW
  • B-3 Gnomish Bomber - WoW
  • ACV-4 Gnomish Gunship - Lich King
  • CZ-1 Goblin Zeppelin - WoW
  • CZ-2 New Goblin Zeppelin - Lich King
  • ACZ-3 Goblin Gunship - Lich King
This gives meaningful and unambiguous identifiers to every vehicle so they can be differentiated from each other. But it also means going outside the normal established lore. It's a situation where the lore is intentionally ambiguous, to our inconvenience.
Piroko (talk)
Did not you already post that here and then remove it?--SWM2448 21:38, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
Magic 8 ball says yes. My bad. Piroko (talk) 17:32, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
It is not bad. I really just wanted to note that just in case it became spam. It isn't. Well, this is a more relevant place for it.--SWM2448 21:21, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup Edit

I've revamped the Flying machine page extensively to clean it up. Piroko (talk) 17:36, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

That is a lot of revamp...[1]--SWM2448 21:38, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
It was a mess. Flying machines are becoming more and more commonplace in the gameworld and so it's easier to try to discuss them by focusing on races because at least the number of races that make flying machines is reasonably stable. The article was degenerating into a list. Piroko (talk) 19:35, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
While I appreciate your response, I am trying to understand your thought process. Originally a page about the dwarven versions seen in WCIII, TFT, and WoW, this page was turned into a disambiguation by Baggins, and then turned into its main incarnation by you, where it focused on the concept of and development of flying machines (while being a bit of an uncited mess largely based on assumption). Your basic layout was kept through the many subsequent spelling/grammar corrections and factual additions by other users, and it never became very list-like (unless you count the addition of a few sections added around this edit). Rolandius, might have 'broken' the article during his group of edits (the most major changes I see), but he did not really do anything beyond the one paragraph, and that was not even very major.
Now, your recent series of edits undid your own development angle and focuses far more on actual design and physics than your original series of additions (that mainly just had the autogyro comment in that respect). I do not see how it is better, as the page was rather race-oriented as it was, albeit with a more historical angle and the word 'development' in the headings (which, again, you added). It is still a bit of a mess.--SWM2448 23:58, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Yes. It is. Honestly I'd rather see flying machines broken up along the lines of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Aircraft but unfortunately there's not enough actual codified information on each type of flying machine to fill a page, and wowwiki is interested in verifiable lore information, which Blizzard has not created in sufficient detail. Piroko (talk) 16:06, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
I see. No, Blizzard sadly has not. Perhaps I was too hostile. The future of this page still seems ambiguous.--SWM2448 21:21, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

4th picEdit

I noticed that the fourth picture is not of a Turbo Charged Flying Machine, its actually just an engineer's normal flying machine. This is not correct and should be removed or fixed.

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