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Maybe work on a "cheap" guide to 300 skill? --Dracomage 15:37, 23 October 2006 (EDT)

Looks quite cheap to me reflecting how easy gems will be to get :p --Tinkerer 15:45, 23 October 2006 (EDT)
Depends how you're defining cheap. The expensive part right now is definitely the Azerothian diamonds at the late end. I'm going to be looking through some other people's spreadsheets and making modifications based on that to try and not need 50 Azerothian diamonds. Otherwise...yeah. What's your standard of cheap? --Mithuata 15:40, 23 October 2006 (PDT)
Yes, those last tiers look horribly expensive. Especially the gems being used. Is there no skill-ups availible from making jewwels for sockets? (Or are they even more expensive?) --Dracomage 14:55, 24 October 2006 (EDT)
There are no skill ups for making socketable gems until 300+ that I've seen. I believe this is because existing gear in the game (ie, stuff before level 60) isn't being redone to include sockets. After 300, you can skill up by making socketable gems, but you'll need materials from outland to do it (and thus, can't buy a bunch to prepare for it). --Mithuata 15:34, 24 October 2006 (PDT)
from 1-120 i've deviated a lot,, seems you need to make a bunch of extra bronze settings earlier, and copper wite (since you need 40 later anyway) , plus yellow recipes still give plenty of skill.  - CJ talk / cont  05:35, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
Looking at it, what if you made 25 Onslaught Ring instead of 25 Glowing Thorium Band at the end. I am not sure where the Onslaught Ring pattern drops, or if it is easy to get. 25 Onslaught Rings would take 200 Thorium Bars, 50 Powerful Mojo and 50 Essence of Earth. For a guild running ZG the Powerful Mojo isn't an issue, and for a guild running Molten Core the Essence of Earth is not an issue. It requires twice the Thorium of leveling up via the Glowing Thorium Band method, but if you plan to get your Azerothian Diamonds by mining Thorium you may have the Thorium before you get all your diamonds anyway. I guess this path would only be cheaper (timewise) if you were already running ZG and Molten Core. --Eltari 13:03, 25 October 2006 (AEST)
I'm reluctant to have the skill up guide rely upon drops that are only available within raids. The reason being, come expansion time, two things will be true. First, people will be running ZG and Molten Core significantly less, as they will be focused on the new content. Second, even if ZG/MC was still being run often, I'm assuming 20 to 50% of your guild is going to be switching to jewelcrafting. If 4 to 20 people are all looking to get those items from the guild bank, very few are going to be able to get them. But yeah, the 50 Azerothian diamonds part is the real problem spot. I'll see if I can fix that this morning. --Mithuata 05:09, 25 October 2006 (PDT)
I agree with the skill guide not relying on items found in raids. Both Powerful Mojo and Essence of Earth (which I was relying on) can be farmed outside of raids, they are just plentiful if you run ZG and MC reguarly. Having given it some more thought, I don't think it would be wise to change it to rely on one set of drops. I'll have a look when I get home at the changes you have made, but I feel that it is an improvement. Getting a little bit of everything may be easier than getting a lot of a few things. I agree with you that ZG/MC will be run a lot less when BC comes out. Our Raid Leader has already indicated all AQ20/ZG and MC runs will be stopped. In planning to use items from those raids, I am planning to use the few months I have (while we are still raiding) to stock up. I hadn't considered 20 people all after the same items from the bank though. I'll give that some more thought. Brilliant guide BTW. --Eltari 13:44, 26 October 2006 (AEST)
Could add a list to get 300-375, as the new skill limit is a lot higher in BC, i don't much see the reason to have a 0-300 guide ;) CJ 08:17, 25 October 2006 (EDT)
At this point, a list to get you from 300 to 375 wouldn't do anything for you. Getting up to 375 requires materials available only in in Outland, so even if the information was posted, you wouldn't be able to stockpile anything to max out your skill. I'm also not sure on the rarity of gems in Outland either, which makes it harder to predict an "affordable" way to hit 375. This will, of course, change come January. As a side note, I changed things out at the 280+ range to try and ease the hit to the pocket book (no more 50 Azerothian Diamond requirement!). I'm not entirely sure that I've really made it better however, as Emeralds and Sapphires aren't exactly easy to find either. Comments or suggestions at that point would be useful. --Mithuata 05:35, 25 October 2006 (PDT)

Not sure if this is important or needs to be mentioned somewhere. Most of the items you are making you can learn at the trainer (I haven't checked them all), but I do know that The Jade Eye is a "Limited Supply (1)" recipe from Tradegood vendors in the major cities. I am not sure about others, but I am planning on leveling from 1 to 300 in a single sitting if at all possible, and having to stop half way because I don't have a particular pattern could be a pain. I can't think of a better (cheaper) thing to level at that point, so perhaps a note against those items which aren't learnt at the trainer, with details at the bottom of the table for where they can be found. The two I can find which require vendored patterns are below, there could be others. --Eltari 16:08, 1 November 2006 (AEST)

  • The Jade Eye - Tradegoods vendors in Ironforge and Undercity. Jewelcrafting Supplies at Silvermoon City and The Exodar - Limited
  • Heavy Iron Knuckles - Vendors in Hillsbrad Foothills (Southshore and Tarren Mill) - Limited
Thanks Eltari. I went ahead and added notes to the guide to indicate those two patterns are not learned from the trainer, and included the locations that you have here. I've been meaning to go through and figure out what is gained from a trainer and what isn't, but I hadn't had the time up to this point. Maybe in a few days. Whatever the case, thanks for the help! --Mithuata 07:02, 1 November 2006 (PST)

This pattern of leveling will not work. The skill required for Solid Stone Statue has increased from 155 to 175. Further, Dense Stone Statue has move up from 205 to 225. These each leave a dead zone where you can not make the next required pattern.

I went ahead and filled in the gaps with 5 Golden Rings and 15 Aquamarine Signets, as well as some Mithril Filigres (or whatever they're called). There shouldn't be anymore gaps in the build order at this point, but it's a bit more expensive than the stone version. Required materials should be updated too, but I could be a bit off on the exact numbers (if someone has the time to double check it). --Mithuata 16:00, 5 November 2006 (PST)
Checked the materials:
- I count only 250 (not 260) Thorium needed. 195 from the Thorium Setting, 40 from Simple Opal Ring, 5 from Glowing Thorium Band and 10 from Emerald Lion Ring
- Emerald Lion Ring is listed as needing "Emerald", where I think it needs "Huge Emerald". The quantities are right
- Sapphire Pendant of Winter Hight requires "Blue Sapphire", currently listed as "Sapphire"
- You make 70 Delicate Copper Wires for 20 skill points at the start, but only use 60 of them later on. --Eltari 13:47, 7 November 2006 (AEST)

Going through this again (honestly, it is not that I have no life, it is just.... anyway).

  • You have 20 Silver Bars put aside for making 10 Elegant Silver Rings. According to thottbot (and my memory) Elegant Silver Rings only take 1 bar each. So you can save 10 bars there. (confirmed)
  • You have the Jade Eye listed as 1 Jade, 1 Elemental Earth each, however thottbot now says it takes 1 Jade and 2 Elemental Earth
  • You list the "Golden Ring", I believe this has been renamed to "Golden Ring of Power" (based on the mats you use to craft it) and the jewelcrafting level required to craft it has been lowered to 180. It is now orange at 190 (according to thottbot) and therefore will not get you to 210 as you originally planned (confirmed. Now available at 180)

I am not able to confirm the mats needed for the Jade Eye. My Jewelcrafting isn't high enough ... yet. --Eltari 15:53, 6 November 2006 (AEST)

Hey Eltari. Thanks for catching those. I went ahead and updated the article with the proper amount of Thorium needed, changed the materials for Huge Emeralds and Blue Sapphires, dropped the number of the delicate copper wires down to 60. Also, dropped the Silver Bars for the Elegant Silver Rings down to 10, increased the Elemental Earths from 20 to 40 for the Jade Eye, and completely removed the Golden Ring from the build order entirely. To get from 205 to 210, I doubled the number of Citrine of Rapid Healings made. Thott still says that the Citrine is orange until 210, so just dropping the Golden Ring out should work out. I don't have access to the live beta, so I have to rely on secondary sources to get my information, so if you find anything in the Beta which contradicts this, please feel free to update the guide as appropriate. The build order should be working now. --Mithuata 08:06, 7 November 2006 (PST)
Further update. In an effort to get us down from needing 40 opals, I've dropped us from 20 Simple Opal Rings to 15 Simple Opal Rings in the 260 range. In their place, are 5 Truesilver Healing Rings, which I suspect will be cheaper in the long run. As always, any optimizations would be appreciated. --Mithuata 11:08, 7 November 2006 (PST)

Alternate Skill path to 300Edit

Posted by Sprawl on Vnboards Original Post

Here is the list of best case scenario and recommended amounts of materials for 1-300 Jewelcrafting:

  • 7g 12s 80c for training
  • 180-240 Copper Bars
  • 50-75 Malachite
  • 100-140 Silver Bars
  • 40-60 Shadowgems
  • 100-140 Bronze Bars
  • 75-90 Jade
  • 90-120 Elemental Earth
  • 120-180 Thorium Bars
  • 30-45 Star Rubys
  • 30-40 Large Opal

Acquire the above materials and then go to the Jewelcrafting trainer in Silvermoon / Exodar. You shouldn't have to leave once you start.

Apprentice:

  1. Learn Apprentice Jewelcrafting for 90c
  2. Buy a jeweler's kit for 7s 20c
  3. Craft 70 Delicate Copper Wire from 140 Copper bars (you will need at least 70 Delicate Copper Wire)
  4. You should now be level 50
  5. Learn Malachite Pendant for 90c
  6. Craft 10 Malachite Pendants from 10 Delicate Copper Wire and 10 Malachite
  7. You should now be level 60

Journeyman:

  1. Learn Journeyman Jewelcrafting for 4s 50c
  2. Learn Inlaid Malachite Ring for 90c
  3. Craft 20 Inlaid Malachite Ring from 40 Malachite and 40 Copper Bars
  4. You should now be level 80
  5. Learn ring of Silver Might for 5s 40c
  6. Craft 50 ring of Silver Might from 100 Silver Bars
  7. You should now be level 130

Expert:

  1. Learn Expert Jewelcrafting for 45s
  2. Learn Ring of Twilight Shadows for 7s 20c
  3. Craft 20 ring of Twilight Shadows from 40 Shadowgems and 40 Bronze Bars
  4. You should now be level 150
  5. Learn golden dragon ring for 10s 80c
  6. Craft 30 Golden Dragon Ring from 30 Jade 60 Bronze Bars and 60 Delicate Copper Wire
  7. You should now be level 180
  8. Purchase Design: The Jade Eye from Gelanthis (the supplier with the 3 trainers, if you're Alliance you lose) for 22s 50c
  9. Craft 45 The Jade Eye from 45 Jade and 90 Elemental Earth
  10. You should now be level 225

Artisan:

  1. Learn Artisan Jewelcrafting for 4g 50s
  2. Learn Thorium Setting for 31s 50c
  3. Craft 45 Thorium Setting from 90 Thorium Bars (you will need at least 45 Thorium Settings)
  4. You should now be level 255
  5. Learn Ruby Pendant of Fire for 36s
  6. Craft 30 Ruby Pendant of Fire from 30 Star Ruby and 30 Thorium Setting
  7. You should now be level 285
  8. Learn simple Opal Ring for 90s
  9. Craft 15 Simple Opal Rings from 30 Large Opals, 15 Thorium Setting and 30 Thorium Bars
  10. You should now be level 300

Posted by --Dracomage 14:01, 8 November 2006 (EST)

I'm not opposed to using alternate skill up paths, like this one. However, I'm not entirely sure that this one provides any clear benefit over the current build order that we've got. At first glance, there's at least three downsides I can see with going with this route. First, it relies quite heavily on yellow-skill ups. That means the unlucky player could gather all the necessary materials, attempt to skill up, and due to unlucky yellow builds, not get 300 skill and have to interrupt mid-way through. The current article doesn't have that problem, because it relies almost exclusively on yellow skill ups. Second, it requires massive quantities of a small number of items instead of small quantities on a large number of items. It's been my experience while collecting my own supplies that getting 10 Azerothian Diamonds, 10 Huge Emeralds, 10 Blue Sapphires, 20 Jades, etc. is significantly easier to get than 40 star rubies. Finally, you'll notice that this guide actually says "If you're Alliance, you lose." I think a more general guide (like the one we have right now) works better to avoid these problems. If there's something we can learn from this particular guide to refine our own, I'd be all for including it into our guide. I also went ahead and put a link to this build in the additional sources section. However, at this time, I don't see a need to re-write our guide to fit with this one. --Mithuata 06:00, 8 November 2006 (PST)
Mithuata, I do not disagree with your view. I just wanted to post an alternate path in case people are looking for diffirent options. (And yes, I know its Horde biased). --Dracomage 14:01, 8 November 2006 (EST)
With the exception of the comment "f you're Alliance you lose" I don't feel it is Horde biased. The Jade Eye can be bought at both Silvermoon City and The Exodar (as well as Ironforge and Undercity) meaning that either Horde or Alliance could follow the above guide. (Unless there is something else I am missing). I agree with the issue of relying on yellow skillups though, if you are collecting the mats in advanced the last thing you want is a bit of bad luck which means you need to go back into collecting phase again. I also agree that it is easier to get small quantities of a lot of things than large quantities of a few things. I'd like to see the current guide with some 'alternate paths' in it. For instance, at the start we craft 10 Tigerseye Band. But it would be just as good to craft 10 Malachite Pendant. Or 5 of each, depending on what gems are available. I thought about adding such alternatives as footnotes, but there are so many that it would just get cluttered. If I can think of a way of nicely illustrating it, I'll let you know --Eltari 10:59, 9 November 2006 (AEST)
Looking at thottbot today, I noticed a "Diamond Focus Ring". Skill turns yellow at 285 and it only requires 1 Azerothian Diamond, 1 Thorium Setting (compared with 1 Blue Sapphire, 2 Essence of Undeath, 1 Essence of Water, 1 Thorium Setting for the "Sapphire Pendant of Winter Hight"). *IF* the recipe is easily obtainatble, it may be a cheaper alternative to 5 of the Pendants. Something to keep an eye on. --Eltari 11:05, 9 November 2006 (AEST)
From personal experience on the beta the "Diamond Focus Ring" is trainable at 265. Goes Yellow at 285.
Eltari, I just want to confirm before I make the change. The Diamond Focus Ring is learned from the trainer, and isn't a design drop or anything of that nature? If it is, I'll go ahead and swap the Diamond Focus Band for 5 points between 280 and 285 to help reduce the overhead a bit. --Mithuata 08:50, 11 November 2006 (PST)
Confirmed. Diamond Focus Ring is learnt from the trainer (no recipe involved). However, this is in the current version of the beta, and can change (as you are well aware). --Eltari 9:55, 13 November 2006 (AEST)
Optimization - Rather than creating 15 Aquamarine Signet, create 10 Aquamarine Signet and 5 Aquamarine Pendant of the Warrior (which becomes available at skill 220). This saves 10 Aquamarine and 10 Flask of Mojo. It costs an extra 15 Mithril Filigree, however you created 30 earlier, and don't use any further on, so they would otherwise be vendored or wasted. --Eltari 11:42, 9 November 2006 (AEST)
Made the Aquamarine changes. That was a good catch, glad you saw it. I'm waiting on the Diamond Focus Ring change until I can figure out where the pattern comes from. The only place I can find reference to it is on Thott, which doesn't give a location. None of the other guides I can find mention it. If you do find it, either let me know, or go ahead and make the changes to the main article. Those skill points are pretty expensive as they are now. --Mithuata 14:07, 9 November 2006 (PST)
Issue 290 - 300. Not sure when the change was made but Onslaught Ring, Sapphire Pendant of Winter Night and Glowing Thorium Band are all yellow now at 290 (was 300). When I got there (I got to 300 a few days ago) I could not find anything from the trainer that was orange (guarenteed) from 290 - 300. In reality this didn't matter too much. The additional points from the Thorium Settings had me well ahead, however, I would recommend if you are stockpiling in advance you have enough for another 4 - 5 Rings, Bands or Pendants. Knowing what I know now, the way I'd personally do this is by having as much Thorium Ore on hand as possible. 5 Thorium Ore can be prospected for gems (at around ~280 skill), from my limited experience I have found this yeilds 0 - 2 gems, though I have had more cases of 2 gems than 0. The gems have been Azerothian Diamonds, Blue Sapphire, Large Opals and Star Ruby. There is also a chance (I have read 10%) of prospecting an Outlands gem from Thotium Ore. I have personally prospected 1 Outlands Gem from Thorium Ore mined in EPL, so I know it can be done. Blizzard may change it again, but I think the best we can recommend is people follow the guide (it did work) and just remember to keep some extra mats of the 290 - 300 stuff available in the case of unlucky skillups. --Eltari 10:22, 13 November 2006 (AEST)
Thanks Eltari. I went ahead and put the diamond focus band in the build order, and made a comment regarding the 290-300 issue. I'll keep an eye out to see if there is a way around the 290+ range, but in the mean time, we'll just leave it as it is, with a note about the limitations in that range. Thanks for all your help and comments, you've really done quite a bit of work to make this guide viable. I appreciate it a lot. --Mithuata 07:01, 13 November 2006 (PST)
This may have changed from the beta, but currently Emerald Lion Rings are not trainable until 290, and go orange at 300, therefore making the 290-300 grind entirely based on orange skill-ups. In addition, the mats for Emerald Lion Rings are considerably cheaper than those for Sapphire Pendants of Winter Night, and entirely obtainable via mining. By eliminating the pendants and doing Glowing Thorium Bands at 285 and Emerald Lion Rings at 290, you save a lot of time and money by not having to farm or buy essences, which can be rare and very expensive. I've gone ahead and made a couple corrections to the guide to reflect all this. - Dark T Zeratul 07:21, 15 February 2007 (EST)

Jewelcrafting has undergone a revamp with the 2.1 patch, reducing materials in some cases and adjusting skill levels in others. I have updated the recipes on this page to reflect the materials changes but the skill levels need some reworking. One major suggestion I have is replacing Heavy Iron Knuckles with Pendant of the Agate Shield, which is orange up to 150, when you can start on Mithril Filigree. Kjpodsia 14:15, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and made that change and quite a few others by way of housekeeping. Some items in the list still bother me but I found a place to draw the line. The ultra-conservative skill-up assumptions for yellow recipes (as I mention in the Notes) are another concern but one I will leave for now.Kjpodsia 04:54, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Revise as part of a more general powerleveling article. Edit

User:TeeSon5 marked this for speedy deletion as obsolete. I would point out first that when Jewelcrafting was first introduced, the ultimate cap was 375. I would prefer that this article either expanded to include the 300-375 and 375-450 brackets, or to have a 300-450 guide separate from this with links between the two.

If nothing else, building a new leveling guide out of the ashes of the old retains the history of the old. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:35, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

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