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Comment on the Vykurl being the only known group of halfgiants. Ogres are sometimes refered to as a race of Draenor's giants, and they've interbred with atleast two races. Would mok'nathal and half ogre half humans also count as half giants?Tweak the Whacked 20:24, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Being referred to as Draenor's giants and being an actual giant are different things. Ogres may be large, and they may be considered giants compared to the other denizens of Outland, but they are not actually giants. Giants live on Azeroth, and were the creation of the Titans, i.e. Mountain Giants, Frost Giants, etc. -- Dark T Zeratul 22:10, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, collosi are considered true giants. By every account I've seen fungal giants are considered true giants. One might argue that giants in warcraft are more elemental in nature, mountain giants being made of rock and so forth, but sea giants, and all giant concepts for northrend seem to be very biological. Who's to say the titans didn't create the gronn(who later became corrupted or some such), who in turn created the ogres? After all, the titans seeded *all* worlds, not just azeroth.Tweak the Whacked 04:39, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
The Titans ordered many worlds throughout the cosmos, but by no means were they responsible for all of them. Thus there's no reason to assume that Draenor was Titan-influenced. -- Dark T Zeratul 12:58, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

No reason not to assume Draenor was titan influenced either. Fact that Draenor and Azeroth have such a large number of similar, and even the same creatures(wolves) seems to support it. Presence of collossi, confirmed mountain giants, seems to prove it if nothing else.Tweak the Whacked 19:40, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

As the universal language "Common" was spoken by both the people of Azeroth and Draenor prior to the opening of the Dark Portal; it seems likely that there is a factor which links both worlds i.e. the Titans. ---- Battlegroup RoundIconVorbis AvailablequesticonTalk ActivequesticonContribs 19:23, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
In any event, we're getting away from the real issue: are ogres giants or not, and if they are does that make the mok'nathal half-giants? -- Dark T Zeratul 21:31, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

In the rpg, ogres are said to be a breed of giants. Although as far as individuals they range between medium humanoids, large humanoids, up to giants as far as game mechanics go. If one follows their growth rates they can get as large as 25 meters or so, tall as any Azeroth giant.Baggins 04:23, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

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