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Issues about Jaina's personal relationships discussion at Talk:Jaina Proudmoore/Relationships.

Contents 1 Random stuff 2 Last surviving heir? 3 Current position 4 Quotes 5 Cycle of Hatred 6 Jaina as ruler of Dalaran? 7 2.3 PTR quests (Missing Diplomat continuation!) 8 Weak Leader 9 Removed Fan art 10 English appearence?

Random stuff

About that Quest at the end of TFT: TO Tame a Land. I never saw the extentions for that, i checked back into Blizzard and they still haven't show anything. Even though if you look up on Jaina's father there is a picture showing him in Warcraft III. I have NEVER seen him in the game. ~ Kailex

Blizard did release them. It should be avaliable with the download of one of the patches for TFT. Adm. Proudmoore appears and has dialogue there. 'Tis a shame he couldn't lay the past to rest (hence the chapter name, "Old Hatreds") but he went down fighting ("A Blaze of Glory"). --Ragestorm 07:05, 9 August 2006 (EDT)

Uh. It was the bonus campaign in TFT. Patch up, and go play it. Pzychotix 11:22, 9 August 2006 (EDT)

Lol... it must really suck to be Jaina. All her past boyfriends got screwed. One became the greatest Evil ever known to Azeroth. The other became a magic addict. Not just that, Half the world thinks she is in love with an Orcish warchief named Thrall. Here is the kick. Right now, none of them are human. Arthas is now undead right? He may not have died but he is the Lich King now eh? --Invin Dranoel 00:10, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

A) the situation isn't anything to lol about, it's rather sad. 2) This has all been noted in the article. C) What's wrong with elven-mage relationships? 4) I wouldn't call it half the world, and it would by unfair to say that he doesn't return the affection. Zed) this is an encyclopedia, not a forum. Discussion should be moved to analysis or usertalk. --Ragestorm 00:57, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

Is Jaina a Faction Leader? That is, if killed does she give an HK: Leader ? Or do you not get anything for killing her? --Theschief 20 October 2006 (EDT)

Your query is addressed in the section on her role in WoW. Sign your posts, please.--Ragestorm 23:37, 20 October 2006 (EDT)

Last surviving heir?

I edited the part that mentioned Jaina being the last surviving heir of the founders and leaders of the Alliance, since doesn't she have two siblings, (one brother - Tandred Proudmoore, and a half-sister - Finall Goldensword) who are both currently alive?

Finnal chance to be heir to "Lord Admiral" position may not be as likely, since for one rumors that she Daelin's illegitimate daughter may or may not be true(according to Alliance Player's Guide), and the fact she is an illegitimate daughter may actually hurt her chance for the line of the throne dependent on how Kul Tiras culture views illigitimacy.

Tandred is definitely another surviving heir. Its unclear how many sons and daughters Daelin had, we know his eldest son was lost with the Third Fleet.Baggins 17:45, 2 December 2006 (EST)

I just read the bit about Jaina having a shot at being Highlady of the Alliance. If anything, her heritage gives her a chance of becoming the leader of Kul Tiras, but not the whole Alliance, unless Kul Tiras becomes the main Alliance nation, A position that Stormwind is holding in place of Lordaeron. Being a highly skilled mage with ties to Dalaran, she also has a chance of leadership with that nation. But, we must remember that in normal royal lines, preference is given to the eldest son to be ruler, so Jaina's out of luck with Kul Tiras unless 'something' happens to her brother. Based on Magocracy page on Wowwiki, Dalaran is ruled by a council of arch-mages, the Magocrats, and are elected democratically. Because we don't know Dalaran's current status, we are unsure of whether the Magocracy has been replenished. If not, then Jaina may be allowed a seat on the Magocrat Council. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by G3n0c1de (talk · contr).

According to the APG, Theramore is the official Alliance capital, since it's the "heir" to Lordaeron - so Jaina already IS leader of the Alliance remnants. Stormwind just doesn't like that and tries to build it's "own Alliance" on the eastern continent, probably due to Katrana Prestors influence. --Tulon 16:00, 21 Septemper 2007

What??? Ellethwen 01:41, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Current position

I ran by Theramore today and noticed Jaina's sitting outside just kinda.. hanging out with her friends. Any idea why Blizzard changed her position? // Montagg (talk · contr) 21:06, 1 February 2007 (EST)

Did you try talking to them? They might have an answer. By "friends," do you refer to Tervosh and Pained?--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 22:05, 1 February 2007 (EST)

Yeah, those two. Although, if I tried talking to them, they would probably kill me. Horde ~> // Montagg (talk · contr) 22:46, 1 February 2007 (EST)

Ah. Well, there might be some reason- or else they've reprogrammed NPCs to act like real people, who do need a walk now and again. Tervosh is her advisor, so he'd be there, and Pained, well, the theories about her are rather interesting- in both cases, they'd accompany her. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:15, 1 February 2007 (EST)

There's an Alliance quest that has them teleport outside Theramore Isle to apprehend a traitor and hand out the quest reward. You probably walked by before they despawned. - Dark T Zeratul 03:53, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Quotes

This page mentions "aggro" and "greeting" quotes for Jaina, am I to assume this is refering to WoW? I know important characters in lore, even if their not faction leaders, say unique quotes when clicked on, and I think they say something unique when a player of the other faction enters their aggro range. (I remember this one time a dwarf entered Grommash Hold in Orgrimmar, and Vol'jin said something like "For the Darkspear Tribe!".) Hordesupporter 00:06, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

I think that some of those are from WCIII.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 00:08, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

Well... i'm fairly certain the important characters say something unique once the player aggros them, ca we put those quotes on their pages? I'm dieing to hear what all of them say, espically Sylvanas, my favorite warcraft character. Hordesupporter 01:04, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

<shrug> I don't see why not. It would be nice to include some of her more memorable lines from WC3, though...--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 08:26, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

Cycle of Hatred

Where in the book does it indicate that the warlocks are either Eredar or Satyrs? I've read through it numerous times, and I can't recall any mention of their specific features. --Austin P 07:27, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

It mentions that they have hooves. Of the hooved races who are described as "warlock" those two are the most likely. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 09:18, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

You wouldn't know which page or which part of the story, would you? --Austin P 16:39, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

Don't have the book in front of me, but the hooves would have been mentioned at some point during the battle with Zmodlor- I think Aegqynn glimpsed them through the smoke or something like that. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 17:11, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

Checked, and there's nothing of the sort. The Warlocks features are not described, only that they wear hoods. --Austin P 18:02, 12 May 2007 (EDT)

That might be the source of the confusion then. Go ahead and remove the species line, then. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:56, 12 May 2007 (EDT)

Jaina as ruler of Dalaran?

Shouldn’t Jaina be one of the ruling members of Dalaran? Its stated in the article that she is the most powerful human sorceress alive.--Blooddealer 03:15, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

Magical aptitude doesn't automatically make one part of the Kirin Tor. There are many other qualifiers. Now, they'd probably let her in if she wanted, but I suspect that her position as head of Theramore Isle would eliminate that possibility. - Dark T Zeratul 03:49, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

She has too many duties in Kalimdor to drag herself to their meetings (she is not quite powerful enough to assume leadership of the group), but yes, there is a position on the Kirin Tor if she so desired. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 08:24, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

Thanks for the answers guys! :P --Blooddealer 11:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, Jaina was Antonidas' protegee, so she probably would have become a member of the Kirin Tor if not for the fall of Dalaran. Saimdusan 07:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I have a question .....do u think she knows Kael"Thas betrayed his own people to the Burning Legion if yes what do u think her reaction would be?Well i think we'll know someday since A'dal said Kil'Jaeden is heading towards Azeroth .....Kael is with the Burning Legion right?Think it would be great if there will be an event with Kael and Jaina don't you?-Marakanis

Jaina is the most powerful sorceress in Azeroth at this point of time. But there are still many magic users in the world that are stronger than her (And have higher positions than her prior to Dalaran's Fall). Khadgar and Rhonin would be better candidates, Khadgar having studied under the Naaru, becoming more powerful than ever, and Rhonin, having closer contacts to Dragon Aspects and their Dragonflights than Jaina. Also, it would be important to note that in Warcraft's Medival setting, sexism may have played a part. I think that Jaina really doesn't have much to do in Theramore. With Thrall's pledge of peace, and her own sizable military, (Security and Diplomacy is pretty much covered), Theramore Isle being the only Alliance sea route avaiable to the Eastern Kalimdor (Economy covered), I don't see how much responsibility she has. --Invin Dranoel 05:30, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

You'll find that ruling any sort of territory, be it a villiage or an empire, is a lot of work. In particular, she can't surrender Theramore to another Alliance nation, as there's no way she can be sure the new ruler will continue her policies. Also, the Kirin Tor already have a capable leader. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:47, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

But that guy's power and political ties is no where as diverse as Jaina, Rhonin or Khadgar. Still, 40 years... this man have seen some tough times. --Invin Dranoel 12:27, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

"Protecting Theramore"? She just stands there in the tower doing nothing. I think she vill be the subleader of Dalaran in WOTLK, that's a more honorable role than defending a city no one will be interacting with. Theramore might be smaller capital but people are questing there only for a couple of levels. She might well find a suitable replacer for herself. I believe that she, as well, wants to be where all the action is going to take place – in the arctic wastes of Northrend. --  Shandris  talk / contribs 09:43, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you ( especially since Antonidas took such a shine to her ), but something's telling me either Rhonin, Khadgar, Krasus, BIGMIKE, or Ansirem Runeweaver'll be the ones calling the shots there ( I'm sure I've said this elsewhere, by the way.  :D? ). Jaina's probably too busy making peace talks with Thrall to go there and if she had someone take her place god only knows what'd happen ( "So Thrall! I got a letter from Jaina and she said you're dumb and she laughed when she heard Grom died." ). If anything I'm sure the Alliance players will be asked to saunter over to Theramore to pick up a couple of "kick Arthas' ass plz kthx" quests, or maybe Theramore'll be destroyed and everyone there'll have to go to Northrend?

EDIT: Oh I like how most of the points I just brought up were mentioned. My bad. --Super Bhaal 09:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, interesting thought.... I've never understood why Jaina lost her alliance with the Horde (orcs, trolls and tauren in WC3); why is she friends with the Alliance, especially the humans of Stormwind who have not much to do with the Lordearon humans? She deserves better.

Maybe Theramore could be teleported and become a floating subcity of Dalaran? At least she would still rule the town :P If she is so powerful as they say, she might as well teleport (Mass Teleport spell in the RTS series) herself and her town to Northrend. --  Shandris  talk / contribs 11:56, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Nah, she's too environmentally friendly to yank an island out of the sea like that. If anything she'd hop a boat. --Super Bhaal 16:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Teleport would be most likely. Ragestorm is right. Ruling any country, whether small or large, is a huge responsibility. Not to mention with Defias just landing in the area, with Onyxia's lair just nearby. Jaina has pretty big concerns. --Invin Dranoel 01:11, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually I'm pretty sure the Defias connection has been in Theramore the entire time, they just got around to finishing the quests, :p... It was hinted on way back in some of the earlier quests..--Baggins 01:13, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

2.3 PTR quests (Missing Diplomat continuation!)

Sticking this here since I don't want to mess with an article about a storyline character.

The Missing Diplomat quest chain continues:

Jaina Completes:

•  [] Jaina Must Know

Jaina Starts:

•  [] Survey Alcaz Island
•  [] Warn Bolvar!

Bah. Server crashes just before I port back to Theramore... Will update with the conclusion. --k_d³ 21:39, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Sweet.Baggins 21:25, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Weak Leader

Obviously Jaina has a very friendly relationship with the Horde and even aloowed them to kill her father.

This would show why she would not be the right choice for leading the Alliance, the Horde can push her around and she doesnt possess the capabilities for a "Peace Through Strength" policy.

I think we should add that but maybe under a speculation sub section

-Dunnsworth 04:49, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

WTF? Her father blantantly broke the peace treaty by attacking them, and provoking them to kill him. Jaina wants peach between Horde and Alliance. Horde does not push her around. Have you even played a Horde char? --Eman91 16:19, 2008-02-20

Actually she wants there to be peace between the Horde and Alliance. That's actually one of the reasons why she is considered one of the stronger leaders. Most of the others just want to kill the Horde, and not think twice about it. So no, your speculation would not be allowed too much "opinion" involved.Baggins 05:33, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

The Horde isn't "pushing her around", they are her friends. Cycle of Hatred is a good read about this. --Xavius 08:26, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Jaina is not being "pushed around."  She simply would like to see an official truce drawn. (To tell the truth, it's likely that Thrall would agree with her on this.)  And her father was a seriously disturbed little man.

Of course, there are people who will see any would-be peacemaker as "weak."  However, I'd really like to see the individual—short of another boss character—who could push Jaina around without an army and/or raid group backing them up.
Qit el-Remel (talk) (contrib) 09:39, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Removed Fan art

Warthok Talk Contribs 20:35, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

English appearence?

I'm English myself, and I'm confused. How does Jaina look English excatly?Alliance mage 22:58, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

The offending passage has since been removed. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 02:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)