Talk:Language
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Demonic and Eredun
Demonic and Eredun may not necessarily be the same language (especially in light that we now know that Eredar did not start out as demons). More facts are needed.Baggins 18:29, 11 May 2006 (EDT)
Also, the Draenei were Eredar, so they probably have not abandoned their native tongue. What else could their language possibly be? Abbert 21:18, 11 May 2006 (EDT)
- Most likely Eredar, but probably not, "Demonic"(or we would have a race that could understand use of Demonic in the game, and would not be affected by Curse of Tongues).
- Those are most likely two seperate languages. But then again blizzard could give us "Draenei" as its own language.Baggins 19:52, 11 May 2006 (EDT)
- That would be kinda cool, because then the dranei would also understand the random demonic gibberish of imps, although they might not be warlocks. Is there any other way to see what those crazy imps are saying? Abbert 19:51, 24 May 2006 (EDT)
- Something to consider when asking if the Draenei speak the same language as the Eredar, is that languages change. The Eredar joined the burning legion several thousand years ago, so odds are, while some of their words would still be the same, changes would have occurred, causing them to speak very different dialects (sort of like the difference between modern English and Olde English) Moreover, with the seperation, the Eredar language would have also changed while it was apart from the Draenei Dialect. It might be compared to differences between Spanish, French, and Latin. Same root language for them all, but taken different directions by time, space, and cultural events. NocturnalKaos 21:03, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Just translate by some random funny curse and shit talking like "if I wasn't enslaved I'd kick your ass". Well, that's what they mean even while speaking common/orcish--Kirochi 18:32, 24 May 2006 (EDT)
- Well, here's for Eredun, sixth paragraph : Deeply relieved, Velen gathered the other eredar who had thus far refused to join Sargeras. Naming themselves the draenei, or "exiled ones" in the Eredun language, the renegades barely escaped from Argus, with the Burning Legion only moments behind. Kil'jaeden was furious with what he felt was Velen's betrayal, and the demon vowed to hunt Velen and the rest of the draenei to the ends of the cosmos if need be..
Abyssal, Undercommon, Draenei, Old Darnassian and Idran
Those languages are mentioned in the RPG... Other than that there isn't much information on the languages.
The "Draenei" language is used only by those from Outland and Swamp of Sorrows. Old Darnassian, or as its described, "old dialect of Darnassian" is mentioned in one of the short stories in one of the books. Idran and Abyssal are mentioned in chapter 3 within some character synopses.
Baggins 09:50, 3 September 2006 (EDT)
Seeing as Draenei speak Draenei in BC, I've decided to remove the redundant information from lower section. Because Blood Elves speak Thalassian in BC, I've noted that, and I've moved the Sindassi/Blood Elves info down to lower section.Baggins 20:04, 2 November 2006 (EST)
Do we need all these languages ?
Yeah, Bookkeeper speaking here. Can you imagine Wikipedia listing [[Dog (language)]], [[Insect (language)]], [[Potato (language)]] ? This seems preposterous, as languages aren't given a great importance at all in the Warcraft universe but the impersonation of a game barrier to trans-faction communicating. I'm not denying the importance of writing here what the RPG books tells us ; I'm just expressing what I've thought after I experienced the bogus feeling of a "wasted page".--K ) (talk) 17:06, 21 November 2006 (EST)
- I agree with your sentiment, except that lately I have started to deny the importance of writing what the RPG books tell us. While I was excited about the prospect of the wiki being a comprehensive Warcraft resource in the past, I've slowly been coming to hold the opinion that the broad scope we've been aiming for is having significant negative consequences for the quality of the articles.
- Creating a site that integrates all sources of Warcraft lore is a noble goal, but in practice creates a site that isn't of much practical use for someone interested in the lore as it appears in WoW, and not the substantially different version that appears in the RPG. While the creators have said they were intent on creating a comprehensive, consistent universe in all of its diverse expressions, the unavoidable fact is that the medium affects the message. The expression of the Warcraft universe between the MMORPG and the RPG is very different, and while it's an interesting exercise to try to create an integrated repository of lore, I think it significantly lowers the utility and understandability of the articles for people coming from a WoW background.
- More critically, by reducing the accessibility to the reader, we also greatly reduce the pool of qualified potential editors, limiting it to only those who are very familiar with the RPG. I've seen other fan-based wikis with a narrower scope, and correspondingly higher quality of articles, and I don't think that's a coincidence.
- Basically, I think this article is a good example that WoWWiki could be a much stronger as WoW resource than it could ever be as a Warcraft resource.--Aeleas 20:53, 21 November 2006 (EST)
- Quote: "Can you imagine Wikipedia listing [[Dog (language)]], [[Insect (language)]], [[Potato (language)]] ? This seems preposterous..."
- What on earth can you mean? Wikipedia has numerous articles on such things.
- Etc, etc, etc.
- The languages in the wowwiki article are spoken by sentient creatures, not animals and plants. And if we were to limit the information on the site to WoW, we'd have to remove previous Warcraft games, books, comics, etc as well. The RPG is as valid a source of info as any other official Blizzard-released material. Varghedin 12:37, 22 November 2006 (CET)
- There's no reason why each source couldn't be evaluated on its own merits. I agree that the RPG is a valid source of information and canon lore, but I think we should be aware of the drawbacks to its inclusion.--Aeleas 11:15, 22 November 2006 (EST)
Alphabet
So all the writing systems in WoW are alphabet based? --Voidvector 22:00, 1 January 2007 (EST)
- Hmm, old question but I'll bite... I don't think WoW goes much into what form of writing each language is using, although a few quests might describe the script being used. The RPG defines individual types for each language on some tables in the Warcraft RPG, and World of Warcraft RPG main rule books (these are listed on the tables here), as well as further descriptions within the main text (these are also listed on the tables where applicable). Some of the other listings on the tables are likely speculation, if not picked up from the WoW itself.Baggins 08:22, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Ogres
Is there any source that names the Ogre language? Is it simply called 'Ogre'? It should have its own entry, given the relative prominence of Ogre names around the world. ---- 
Varghedin talk / contribs 09:28, 18 April 2007 (EDT)
Its' Low Common. There is no "ogre" language, as of yet. Although Ogres have been known to learn Orc, and Common as well. Their names probably come from Orcish words most likely. Although thow it could be from certain dialects of Low Common.Baggins 09:43, 18 April 2007 (EDT)
how to translate any language
Have two computers that have WoW downloaded to them, have two accounts (they don't both have to belong to you), have two characters (different speicies is manditory) within "say" range,turn language to language you wish to translate, say something you know is in the launguage (For when I translate dwarfven, I use city names) go to their computer or have them say in coomon what you said, it should be gibberish but you aren't done yet, put it in your language again, and it will come out in real words of whatever langauge your Wow is set to for the other person(in my case, English.) Dun modr comes out as "red stone".
- Some Alliance member said this to me "me lo ve you" as I was running away from them. I think the method you just said is the way to translate. Allies also say "uden" alot. I'm assuming its a curse word, because in battlegrounds I always kill some alliance members and that's what they say to me before they die. extremedeath
Armory lists languages!
Just wanted to make a note here that the WoW Armory lists "Languages" as one of the statistics you can view on a per-character basis. So Blizzard obviously still sees that as a valuable part of the game, because they took the time to put that section into the Armory. It is a bit pointless really, because you can say straightaway from a character's race what their language statistics are. But maybe Blizzard are going to do something with languages after all...Kidburla 20:40, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
...or maybe the way the way Armory takes data from the game it has to take language data as well. Language has always been a statistical data in game even if it doesn't actually function (you can't learn new languages or improve known languages).Baggins 20:47, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Known words on foreign tongues
Some of the NPC (and PC) voices speak the languages of their people, some of the examples from the Blood Elves are "Anaria shola," when you initiate interaction with one of them (a vendor, for example), from the Night Elves, you can use "Ishnu-alah," in the same circumstances. Thanks to the official WoW site, I know that the Blood Elf is telling me to "Speak your business," while the Night Elf is greeting me by saying, "Good fortune to you." What I'd like to know are the translations of the Orcish for similar things, for example, the words/phrases:
Lok'Ra! Lok'Tar! Thrallhal! Zug,Zug
These in particular are commonly used by the orcs I've encountered. I haven't noticed too much with other races (NPC or otherwise) if they have specific words or phrases, but I'd be equally interested in them as well. Does anyone know more about this sort of thing? Am I even asking in the right area?
I also wondered if the translated phrases of Darnassian and Thalassian should be included on the language page, as it's some of the few examples we have of actual translations from the native tongue to the common. I found it quite interesting that Dun Modr translated to Red Stone! Makes me wish I could try that out with other dwarven words. NocturnalKaos 21:33, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Grammar on languages?
Would it be possible to make sense out of the phrases we have on languages and make some form of rules on it (highly speculated of course)? If we could have knowledge of grammar on the languages the benefits would be quite alot I suppose, especially for a roleplaying community or even for players with increased curiosity. And over all, a way to further enhance this world of Azeroth.
