A New Hero
A new hero!? Simply Varian Wrynn after he escaped from his captors... These are my two cents!!! --N'Nanz 18:13, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- It may be Varian or it may not be. It hasn't been confirmed. However, as I understand it, patch 2.3, has continued the Missing Diplomat quest line, and is leading towards Varian being connected to Alcaz Island again. However the quest line stops before one can raid the island to find out what's being hidden there. But it seems to hint that Varian is going to end up back in the dungeon again, this time behind the naga.Baggins 18:18, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes but in the quest line it seems the "prisoner" escaped and only few of his ownings were found. However... it was only a bet, no? Do you accept? :p --N'Nanz 18:22, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- Sure he may have escaped for a time, but this doesn't preclude the possibility that he'll get recaptuerd later on, and taken to Alcaz Island, where the quest line ends up currently. Although there is one more issue no one has thought of, the water of Southfury River flows south into Dustwallow Marsh, and over a waterfall. So its unlikely that someone who shipwrecked in Dustwallow Marsh is going to go up river, and if he somehow managed that feat it would have to be explained. Why would someone take the time to make a difficult climb up a waterfall, and work against the flow of the river to go north, when he could have just headed to Theramore.Baggins 18:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- Remember he suffers of memory loss, he can't know where Theramore is. Maybe he was escaping from somethink/somebody in that direction, opposite to Theramore, maybe in that condition he was escaping from that very safer place in the region. --N'Nanz 18:59, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- In that condition I doubt he'd be able to climb a waterfall, let alone travel against the river current. In anycase current should have taken him to Theramore, if was anywhere near bay where that river empties into. That doesn't mean he'd know what Theramore was, but just that it would be more likely for him to end up there, since the mountains around the bay would be incredibly difficult to climb. There are other problems in that area, such as nasty sharks, threshadons, mak'krura, snapping turtles, murlocs and other wildlife. So it would be more difficult to swim up a huge bay, just to reach a waterfall so he could climb up the waterfall against the current, and work his way up river against the current in his condition.
- Also Theramore is a very big city, like a population of around 10,000 people. He probably should have been able to see it in the distance. In anycase I have to ask where did the ship crash exactly? That also should be mentioned in this discussion, in trying to figure out how far he had to swim to get to Southfury River.Baggins 19:19, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I checked apparently the shipwreck was between Alcaz Island and Theramore and Dreadmurk. That's a considerable distance in order to swim north past Algaz Island up to Southfury River. He probably could have reached Northwatch Hold a bit easier, than the Southfury River too. If this is Varian, then it opens up alot more questions and logistical issues.Baggins 19:28, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Baggins you seem to think this may not be Varian, but cleary imo it is. If you read the Stranger in a Strange land outline of the comic giving a brief reading of the first comic you'll read that Broll offers up an orc meditation remedy, and the man has a brief flash of memory -- he's a child, alone in a burning and collapsing city this cleary confirms that it is Varian as the orcs burnt and destroyed Stormwind during the first war when he was only a child, Lothar then lead the exodus to Lordaeron. The human is also well trained as Rehgar mentions, more then likely trained by Lothar. i dont see why blizzard would introduce a completely new unknown human to the story when Varian has the background and potenial to be the greatest human hero and his story was never finished. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jimilee53 (talk · contr).
- Cleary confirms? Not quite. It is enough to have a speculation part, but unless Blizzard 100% says it, it is not confirmed. I do sort of think so too, though. The 2.3 stuff was a hint/prequel? --SWM2448 02:43, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
- No, I have a feeling it might turn out to be him, how else to explain the lion on his belt buckle, or the dream sequence of the city burning around him (although we do know of other burning cities)? Even still I point out certain problems Blizzard has created as far as logistics, that will need to be explained. However, we can't say for certain who it is until Blizzard states who is.Baggins 06:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
IMO the 2.3 stuff is a prequel that will lead to how he lost his memory. But we don't know nothing until the next novel will go on press (where Lo'Gosh will take back his memories) --N'Nanz 09:52, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I think it would be kinda cool if it was him. Maybe in future games, books etc, he'll be like the new Lothar :) Warchiefthrall 20:34, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
#2
Five page preview is now avaialble at MTV: [1] Looks like Lothar during the flashback. Could lend credence to it being Wrynn, or it could somehow be the missing Turalyon, if you think about it.. Webrunner 15:32, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
From my point of view this more or less confirms it's Varian Wyrnn, there's little doubt the old man in the preview for #2 is Anduin Lothar and that they are escaping from Stormwind to Lordearon on the boat (also in the previous issue it shows Stormwind burning), the reason it couldn't be Turalyon is because he was 18-20 years old when he first met Lothar and that was in Lordearon. Genova 06:01, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Varian Wrynn?
Issue #1 depicts a town burning and the most logical choice is Stormwind followed by Stratholme but being the fact that Lo'Gosh is a small boy in the flashback and in the present a grown man and Stratholme burned only like 3 years before it has to naturally be Stormwind
Issue #2 shows Lo'Gosh as a boy with Anduin Lothar on a boat and Lothar is talking about losing a War but how things heal in time, so this confirms that it was Stormwind and they just lost the First War and are retreating to Lordearon
also the other reasons Lo'Gosh could be Varian is he grew up with Lothar, Uther the Lightbringer, Daelin Proudmoore and he was even good friends with Arthas, so if Lo'Gosh does turn out to be Varian there's no need to explain how he got to be such a great fighter
also Metzen said Lo'Gosh would become the Alliance's leader, so he would have to hold some diplomatic qualities (the Alliance is very political and wouldn't just throw the Leadership to just anyone) the Menethil family welcomed Varian Wyrnn after the First War and grew very close and the Menethil family even helped him rebuild Stormwind after the Alliance started to fall apart but Varian was one of the few who vowed to remain with the Alliance regardless of what shape it was in
when the Menethil family fell apart during the Third War the Alliance basically lost their overall leader, Stormwind naturally feels it should take up Lordearon's place and Varian certeinly is the next in-line for leadership next to Turalyon
this is just my two cents though, if anyone feels different about it they are more then welcome to speak their mind ;) Genova 06:20, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
I think issue #2 more or less confirms it's Varian. Mind you, I think that picture of Lothar is terrible. Warchiefthrall 12:02, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
So when Lo'Gosh's name and such is revealed and it MAY clearly state he is Varian (so the doubters will have no qualms about who he is anymore)does that mean that the Lo'Gosh and Varian page will be merged? like it may be some rough work fusing two things into one ya know. Genova 19:10, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, they will be merged at that point. Unless of course people want it to go the route of Katrana Prestor, or Daval Prestor. Kind of a non-spoiler page.Baggins 19:12, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- To make it somewhat similar to those pages, I've added a spoiler warning to the speculation section.Baggins 01:32, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Great idea Baggins, the fact his "Speculation part" said "King Wyrnn" before was probably to big of a spoiler and needed to be more subtle and need a slight spoiler warning, there is so many hints it's Varian Wyrnn it would be more outrageous and shocking if it WASN'T him at the moment
I hope when issue #3 comes there's something big enough that it would confirm it's Varian
Baggins, are you or Ragestorm going to handle fusing or connecting the Varian and Lo'Gosh articles if it comes to it when it's revealed? cause it may need a professional re-write and may be rather rough, I would but I'm a Wowwiki newb and would probably just screw something up. Genova 00:50, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
- I'll do what I can but I don't actually have the comics. I've been going by second hand accounts.Baggins 00:56, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Just wanted to point out Issue #3 preview came out a couple days ago http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/01/11/exclusive-a-sneak-peek-at-world-of-warcraft-issue-3
more Hints linking Lo'Gosh to Varian it would seem. Genova 04:11, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I just read issue 3 preview on worldofwarcraft.com, and it seems obvious to me that Lo'gosh is actually king Wrynn, specially after seeing how that defias guy refers to him as "the one we took", a reference to The Missing Diplomat questline and its continuation IMO. I find also noticeable that this preview is the first one to appear in the official WoW webpage.--Morgaur 16:06, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I wonder if this is also setting up a plotline in Wrath of the Lich King? We've learned of what's happening in Northrend but what of the Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms. Either way this story is getting more and more intriguing. (Omega2010 21:09, 23 January 2008 (UTC))
It's said that Bolvar Fordragon is moving to Valgarde in Northrend, whether it's still unconfirmed, I highly doubt they're just gonna leave Anduin alone with Lady Prestor in SW. And if Varian returns to SW for WotLK, several important Alliance chain quests will have to change or be removed and replaced with others, first of all The Missing Diplomat, so it's likely that things in the Eastern Kingdoms are going to change at least to some degree. Besides that, it was said in an interview that WotLK will develop the lore for Tauren, Trolls, Gnomes, Dwarves and Humans. For Tauren it means finding the Taunka, for Trolls it could have something to do with Ice Trolls, Gnomes and Dwarves will probably uncover some secrets of their past in Ulduar, and for Humans, we know of the return of the Silver Hand, but, who knows? It could also include the "return of the King". It should also be noted that the end of the comic (12 monthly issues = november 2008) fits aproximately some speculated dates for the WotLK release.--Morgaur 13:57, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Yup, I think you've hit the nail on the head there. I'm certain that once this arc finishes we'll be having a new King in Stormwind. Warchiefthrall 11:04, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- My two copperpieces: Why did noone, no matter what race they met, notice -Hey, you're the guy from the goldcoins-?--Maibe 17:43, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
- Agree with Sandwichman. As far as we know, no one in Kalimdor knows how Varian Wrynn looks like, except for the defias that kidnapped him. And the people that appears in Alliance coins are more probably heroes from the past wars such as Anduin Lothar.--Morgaur 19:35, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Name
Anybody else noticed the fact that Thrall is an orc with a human name, and Lo'Gosh is a human with an orc name? Intentional? Probably. Xavius, the Satyr Lord 10:15, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, more interesting is that Thrall is a disparaging human name (Slave), Lo'gosh is a honorific orc name (Ghost Wolf) due to his honorable combat skills. In my opinion Since Thrall too was a honored gladiator, this explain the xenophobic attitude of Alliance and the reputation based on honor of the Horde. --N'Nanz 10:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- The name "Thrall" has more to do with the attitude of a single human (Aedelas Blackmoore) than with the entire race, remember Taretha Foxton? There's an interesting story in HPG about a human knight that fought Thrall when he was still a slave, just to try his strength. When his corpse is identified between the casualties of the battle of Theramore, Thrall tells Jaina that that knight taught him about respect. The real problem with the Alliance/Horde relationship is that there always were individuals (as Blackmoore, or Garithos) that behaved as real assholes, spoiling every hope for peace.--Morgaur 19:35, 23 February 2008 (UTC)