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Naga and the Old Gods
"Many of the Highborne were transformed into the Naga, who serve the Old Gods still." Where does this connection come from? The Naga were created from the Highborne elves by the destruction of the Well of Eternity according to the official lore. Where is the connection to the Old Gods mentioned? --Fandyllic 5:34 PM PST 29 Mar 2006
- Okay I did some research and it looks like Blizzard left out some of the Naga lore on the worldofwarcraft.com site and it was filled in by the books.
- From Richard A. Knaak Q&A Interview Part 2 - War of the Ancients Trilogy on BlizzPlanet.com:
- 2. There seems to be some confusion among fans. In the Lore forums, the discussion is whether Azshara struck a bargain with the Old gods or not. Whether the Old gods turned Azshara and her highborne into Naga, as their new servants.
- Knaak: Yes, it was decided by Blizzard that the Old Gods were the reason for Azshara and her ilk becoming Naga. They wanted to tie the Old Gods in, better to the world.
- So the implication is that the Naga owe the Old Gods for helping them survive the Great Sundering and the Maelstrom. --Fandyllic 5:48 PM PST 29 Mar 2006
Sulfuron
Sulfuron is not an Old God. It's Ragnaros personal fortress in fire part of the elemental plan as said by Sainterre (blizzard french localisation). http://forums-fr.wow-europe.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-localisation-fr&t=14492 --Atanor 04:40, 31 Jan 2006 (EST)
He's right: "Sulfuron is not a being, but a place. It's the personnal stronghold of Ragnaros in the fire elemental plan" --Veher18 21:28, 03 Feb 2006 (EST)
The Misplaced One
I always thought, that there were originally five. Three were imprisoned, one felt in Darkshore and one, C'Thun, was thought to be fallen, but still lives. So there is no "Misplaced One"
--LemonBaby 17:08, 3 Feb 2006 (MEZ)
The Origin of the Silithid and Qiraji
This section needs to be updated with new info from Lands of Mystery-Baggins 08:06, 11 April 2006 (EDT)
Deathwing and the Black Dragonflight
Are the black dragons still under the influence of the old gods? Or was their influence broken when the Demon Soul was destroyed? If so, then the dragons should have regained their sanity...
Old Gods before the Titans
Supposedly, the Old Gods were not always old. Were they called anything different while they were still running the world?
yes, they were called the Gods--Truckman1 15:26, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
...what?
Ok, the Old Gods did NOT create the Burning Legion. Maybe they took advantage of the First Invasion, but that's very different. Also, the Forgotten One that Arthas and Anub'Arak fought hasn't been confirmed as an Old God yet. Most likely it's related in some way to C'thun or one of the other Old Gods, but I doubt it's actually an Old God. Finally, what's all this mishmash about invading Nozdormu's realm? I assume that comes from the alternate timeline in one of those book type things, which I haven't read, and thus can't assurt any amount of authority over. So I'm leaving that in. But I'm taking out the other stuff I mentioned. --Mikaka 13:50, 16 December 2006 (EST)
The Forgotten one was implied to be an Old God in Lands of Mystery, IIRC.Baggins 13:59, 16 December 2006 (EST)
- Don't be so hasty, Blizzard can still make "the Forgotten One" the sixth Old God, unknown before, or one of the three left alive. Or sixth, unknown before, now dead, Old God. :) Anything is possible until the release of the official lore. --Sul'jin 06:23, 4 January 2007 (EST)
- There's also the possibility that it was a "piece" of an Old God - this is a theory I've hard discussed, that the Old Gods were able to leak out pieces of themselves into the mortal realm, physical manifestations of themselves, as it were, but not the Old God himself.
- Wait... but that could mean C'Thun was never actually defeated in the first place... *gasp*
Elementals and the Old Gods
As we know, the Elementals are controlled by Old Gods. Each 4 Elementals (fire, water, wind, earth) have only 1 leader, but there are (were) 5 Old Gods, and they were unified. So with only 1 Elemental Lord for each Elemental, each Old Gods must have controlled 1 Elementals only, right?(Do you understand?) Means that 4 Old Gods control 4 Elementals (each Old God control 1, as I said), but that leave 1 poor Old Gods didn't control anything! As unified being, they should destroy each other, and the weak one(that didn't control anything) should have been destroyed by other Old Gods, right? Or could it be that there is 5th Elemental that controlled by this Old Gods? Or each Old God control more than 1 Elemental(If it's true then each Elemental will have more than 1 Elemental Lord, its funny to think Ragnaros has a rival)? Or this Old God is the leader of the Old Gods(well, they're unified)? Or what? --Malygos 03:56, 4 January 2007 (EST)
- I believe it has been hinted that all the Old Gods could control all 4 elementals. They shared control.Baggins 04:00, 4 January 2007 (EST)
- They had greater issues to deal with than "who is going to control the elementals now". It didn't matter, they were unified, they had the same purpose, so it didn't really matter. --Sul'jin 07:34, 4 January 2007 (EST)
- Yeah, they were too busy with their war of cosmic proportions to whine about whose turn it was to command the forces of evil :)
- I feel your basing your statments on asumtions on the WoW univers. First of there has never been stated what can and can not been seen as a Element. Maybe the Light and Shadow powers of the univers are just as much a element of the world.
And life and death most, I think, be seen as magical elements in any case.
Second of to asume that the Old Gods where united or fighting one another is... Well rather big step if you ask me. I mean if they are unified how can we guess how they think? But then agen what do I know...
And third, Im not sure the Old God can be dissmissed as just evil. I think there fare more complicated. --Burgrsch 10:47, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Deletion
Discuss deletions, or tag items with the {{fact}} tag.--Sky 03:43, 23 January 2007 (EST)
doesn't it already say that one god was killed in the beginning of the article. why is is being repeated then. Noman953 03:46, 23 January 2007
- Thanks for clarifying. Can you add a note at the history screen next time you delete something? xD --Sky 03:48, 23 January 2007 (EST)
More Old Gods?
In TBC, there's a quest in Shadowmoon valley which will have you stop those Dark Conclave guys' summoning ritual. Apparently what they're summoning is using the C'thun's model, and it's a "Summoned Old God". See the links below(Thank Yub on SoL): [1] (Scroll down and see) [2] (The quest) --Xlandhenry 03:13, 3 February 2007 (EST)
- It was a last ditch effort to stop Gul'Dan. The draenei were not the only ones getting killed by the orcs. The Dark Conclave was formed to stop the Hand from being formed... and failed. They now exist in undeath continueing the ritual. This old god being summoned into Outland may have something to do with Anzu.--SWM2448 19:28, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Strength
How strong are the Old Gods in comparison to the Titans, it is stated that the battle between the Old Gods and the Titans took "eons", and that C'thun himself managed to kill one of the Titans, although the question I would want to see answer the most is, how would Sargeras compare to the Old Gods, a freind of mine says there was a mention about his strength in relation to them in the "war of the ancients" trilogy, and that if all of the remaining old gods returned, that even Sargeras would "beg for death" as my friend put it. Hordesupporter 03:08, 5 February 2007 (EST)
Hmmm... But C'thun was killed during the second War of the Shifting Sands by Alliance and horde warriors. Forgotten One may be an Old God because of his control over the Faceless Ones and his similiarity to C'thun. He was killed by Undead. So, different sources give different explanation to it. I join to your request to WoWWiki. WoWWiki memebers, please say what do you think about it! (I'm not from English-speaking land, please correct my mistakes in articles that can occur) Mardook 12 February 2007
- In all of the cases mentions (C'Thun killed/imprisoned in the War of the Shifting Sands, Arthas killing the Forgotten One and players killing C'Thun), the Old Gods in question (assuming the Forgotten One is an Old God) were in a regenerative state, having been weakened by some previous conflict, and were just making their way back onto the world stage. It isn't quite clear, then, how strong they would be at full power. However, given the pre-historic lore about the Titans, it's safe to say that the Old Gods gave them a rough time, at the very least. Sargeras is only one Titan, so a plethora of Old Gods might prove difficult for him personally. // Montagg (talk · contr) 09:37, 12 February 2007 (EST)
Ok. For example, lore mentions that Titans attacked each single Old God together by combined power ad that just one Old God was completely killed, but it was mentioned that it was killed in face-to-face combat with the Titan. And i have another question. In this article was written that 3 imprisoned Old Gods (presumed Old Gods under the Maelstorm, in Tirisfal Glades and the Forgotten One) I quoting: "corrupted some of the Highborne, and used them to lure the Burning Legion to Azeroth" and "invaded Nozdormu's realm and managed to open a rift in time, that, as they had planned, tossed some beings back through time, beings that would change the way the war of the ancients took place, and give Sargeras a new chance to enter the world, and therefore them a new chance to set themselves free. Their plans were although again crushed by the very same Malfurion Stormrage". May be Xavius' (who seems to make first contact to Sargeras before other Highborne in both War of the Ancients timelines) contact to Sargeras was arranged by the Old Gods? And, if the Sargeras' entering to Azeroth was profitable to Old Gods in reason that destruction of Azeroth could return this world into its primitive chaotic state (as it was befor creation of it by the Titans) that could set them free, could Sargeras and the Burning Legion stop or defeat the Old Gods (if they will be setted free they will not be in their weakened state)? Please, answer this questions. I have edited this article and the article about Old Gods speculations. Thanks to Montag. Check my changings for the number of the gramar errors Mardook 12 February 2007
- I will leave those questions in more formidable hands, mainly Ragestorm's -- the head Bookkeeper. My lore skill isn't high enough yet. // Montagg (talk · contr) 18:49, 12 February 2007 (EST)
- We know that most, if not all, of the War of the Ancients was orchestrated by the Three. Whether or not they actually organized Sargeras's contact is unknown. Knaak (who appears to be writing under the assumption that there are Three Old Gods in total) suggests that the power of the Old Gods can be defeated with relative ease by the combined power of all five Aspects, who are extensions of the four most power titans. This would mean that the Pantheon was able to subdue them with relative ease. Krasus mentions that "should the Three be unleased, even the Legion's master will be hard-pressed to stop them," implying that Sargeras could theoretically defeat them, but with difficulty. WIth the full force of the Leigon behind him, the battle would probably be made somewhat easier. I don't ever recall a "beg for death" statement. I'm separated from my books at the moment, but I can give citations by next week, if needed
- A few things I want to make perfectly clear:
- 1) there is no documented association between the Old Gods and the Faceless Ones beyond the Forgotten One, which leads me to
- 2) to my eyes, the Forgotten One resembles C'Thun about as much as a [human] resembles a [Howler Monkey]. I do not accept this as viable evidence to suggest that the Forgotten One is an Old God.
- 3) not as loud, but a minor note: the number of the Old Gods is unclear- though most sources put it at five, Knaak says three. This is taken to mean that three continue working together, one is C'Thun, and one is dead. It is also mentioned (though I have not heard the dialog myself) that one of the Three, or else the dead one, is behind the Nghtmare.
- It's possible, I admit that, but my point was that the evidence everyone uses is just not viable- the entire association between the Old Gods, Hakkar, and the Faceless is based on one person squinting at the Forgotten and C'Thun.
- SInce the Old Gods are actual gods and not godlike beings (ie, the titans), I don't think it's a "same race" sort of relationship, but perhaps (given the Nerubians' evolutionary path) an extension of C'Thun, or a golem made in his image. Exactly where the Faceless Ones come in, however, I'm not certain.-_Ragestorm (talk · contr) 16:30, 13 February 2007 (EST)
- The Warcraft Encyclopedia implies that C'Thun (and by extension, the rest) is a true god, as is Hakkar. By "implies" I mean that articles are not up yet.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 16:41, 13 February 2007 (EST)
Sargeras would be "hard-pressed"? My freind made the "beg for death" comment after reading the book, he might of misinterpeted Krasus's comment. We really have a difficult time comparing the strength of the old gods to the titans, we know C'thun managed to defeat a titan, although we have never been told whether this was a weak titan or strong titan (by titan standards), C'thun is implied to be in a weakened state but exactly how much of his full power he an use is unknown, presumably if he was at full power he would be stronger then almost all demons, but maybe not Sargeras. Hordesupporter 19:34, 13 February 2007 (EST)
- It's an underlying lack of information about just how powerful they are in comparison. Like I said, I can get a citation on Sargeras next week. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 21:55, 13 February 2007 (EST)
"They corrupted some of the Highborne, and used them to lure the Burning Legion to Azeroth. Many of the Highborne were transformed into the Naga, who serve the Old Gods still." What does it mean? Mardook
- The Burning Legion is attracted to magic use on a high scale. Thus, in order to lure the Burning Legion to Azeroth to deal with the dragon aspects, the Old Gods corrupted some Highborne so they would use a lot of magic and get the Burning Legion's attention. As the Highborne tried to summon Sargeras into the world, the Well of Eternity exploded, sending many to the bottom of the ocean. There, they were transformed into Naga (presumably by an Old God, though never explicity), and some still serve the Old God(s). // Montagg (talk · contr) 09:29, 14 February 2007 (EST)
- Er.. where is that quote even from? :S Don't recall seeing it, and it's new info to me.. so i'm in disbeleif atm. --Zealtalkcontrweb 21:34, 14 February 2007 (EST)
So wait, if there are 5 Old Gods, and 1 is dead, so that becomes four. C'thun became "free" so that leaves 3 imprisoned. But there are 4 Old God leutenets(ignore my horrible spelling) and none seem to be the same element as C'thun(which element he is, I don't know)This leaves 1 of the leutenets with no Old God to serve. So does the Warcraft World has 5 elements??? EvilSniper
- Earth, Air, Fire, Water, Wilds. There aren't actually elemental beings representing Wilds, which is analogous to life, nature, and soul. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:21, 5 March 2007 (EST)
What element would C'thun be then? Wilds? Or Earth? Those two seem the most likely... Wait, do the Old Gods have to be connected to the elements at all? User:EvilSniper 22:06, March 12 2007
In The War of the Ancients, Krasus says that if anyone has a chance to stand up against the Old Gods, it would be the Dragon Aspects, thus the reason the old gods divided them. However, from what I have read, it seems that one Old God is more powerful than one Titan. If the Titans gave only part of their power to the Dragon Aspects, they must be weaker than the Titans. How could the five aspects have any chance against the three Old Gods? User:EvilSniper 7:55, May 24, 2007
- The fve aspects would have no chance, no chance at all. The Three would destroy them with nothing but a distracted flicker of thought. According to the Sundering (War of the Ancients trilogy) they "ruled over a bloody chaos of which even the lords of the burning legion could not imagine", and that they sought to create "the key that would open the gates of their prison [the demon soul]... and if that happened, even Sargeras would find himself pleading for the peace of death." From passages such as this, we can ascertain that should the Old Gods return, a single titan would be destroyed in an instant... if the Old Gods did not keep him around for their personal pleasure of torturing him.
It was from the author's point of view. Think about it, the Titans give the Five Aspects power to protect the world, they will make sure they can handle the Old Gods, also this is the reason Old Gods corrupt Deathwing.
Master3 14:38 Aug 10 2007
I have a question. You guys are mostly talking of the old god's strength combined. "The Three would destroy them with nothing but a distracted flicker of thought." So, what is one old god's strength comparitavly to people like the Pantheon titans, regular titans, etc.?Jclipps 01:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)Top Gun
One for one the old gods are more powerful than any one of the weaker titans. But compared to Sargeras or the High Father of the Pantheon, one of the more powerful titans, the titans power might prove superior.
- The old gods, like the titans, might overestimate their power. They might genarally belief that they are invincible even though they are defeated by the titans. It did not really took an 'army' of titans to imprison the old god.
- Remember Sargeras is the 'Champion' of the titans. He can very well be the mightiest of them. The old gods had underestimated his powers.
- The dragon mage, Krasus comment in the War of the Ancient Trilogy is his own point of view. He had overestimated the Aspects and the Old Gods powers. Remember he had not battle Sargeras one on one. He did not even have sources on his powers. This is evident one the following comments:
1.) ' Combined, surely all five of the aspects represented a force capable of DEFEATING the elder beings.'-The Sundering Pg 157.
2.) ' Had Krasus sought to strike Sargeras directly, either in the chest or head, the result would have been LAUGHABLE.'-The Sundering Pg 324
To make it clearer, the object mentioned by Krasus that time was the Demon Soul, the object cappableof enslaving ALL dragons save Deathwing.
The Demon Soul had the enchantment of the Old Gods indirectly it seems. The combined power of the Demon Soul cannot hurt Sargeras. By using simple logic, it can be concluded that Sargeras is stronger than a old God even two or three of them.
Of course all the accounts given by Krasus might be false since he had not interacted with either Sargeras or the Old gods.
As mention in the Titans page each titans have a sphere of power. Sargeras's sphere might be Sheer power since vivid accounts are given of how powerful he is. Thats why he is more powerful than the Old Gods.
To sum it up:
Great Titan (eg. Sargeras, High Father) > Old Gods > Dragon Aspects Combined
This is such a confusing subject. I think that there should be one solid answer for what the Old Gods can and cant do. Even in the War of the Ancients Trilogy, Knaack seems to be jumping around with how strong they are. Maybe it was like as someone mentioned earlier that Sargeras, Krasus, and the Old Gods were either under- or over-estimating their own and the others powers so we don't know for certain what each can do. But one example of the jumping around is where it's mentioned (I believe by Sargeras) that if he came into Kalimdor that not all the dragons in the world would be able to stop him. Then Krasus mentions that the combined might of the Aspects should be enough to defeat the Old Gods. Then there are the comments used before by other people like Peregrine that Sargeras was nothing compared to the Old Gods. I think my brain's about to explode trying to sort this out. Jclipps 23:11, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
- The problem isn't that Knaak can't decide how strong they are, it's that the characters don't know how strong they are. All of them are using what little information they have to try and make a decision. Sargeras is likely over-confident and arrogant when he claims the Aspects could not defeat him. Similarly, Krasus may be overestimating his race's power when he says the Aspects could defeat the Old Gods. Other characters know different amounts about the Aspects and the Old Gods and come to different conclusions accordingly. Until we get a definitive statement of their power from someone who's in a position to know, we can't make one solid answer about what they can and cannot do. -- Dark T Zeratul 10:36, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
- Still, the Old Gods must have been a mighty power indeed, to contend with the likes of the Titans, and to pose enough of a threat to create a vast war. ~My rage bar is blue and I start the fight pissed - Peregrine 04:21, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
- I think what Krasus meant about the aspects being able to defeat the old gods, is that they would be able to stop the old gods plans before they could free themselves. Just my opinion though. JarHed (talk) 20:17, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
4/3 Old Gods alive?
It is possible that the Forgotten one that in Frozen throne you face in Undead Campaign could be an Old God... 1. He bears a STRIKEING Resemblence to C'thun 2. He is beneath the Earth, Old Gods are beneath Earth! 3. He is VERY powerful, and has Tentacles like C'thun So there are currently TWO Old gods still alive, after you Raid and Slaughter C'thun for his Epics! 4 Gods before Arthas, 3 Gods after Arthas, 2 Gods after AQ Opened —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shiniki (talk · contr).
- I dont realy like your post its been discuced too many times.
- You misspelt earth (Earth is a planet earth = soil)
- I agree with the fact that the forgotten one might be only part of cthun (Maybe it is only its toe unless the old gods have genders then it will be a he/she) --The last Alterac 08:01, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
- So? What if the Forgotten One was an Old God? That doesn't mean four were alive before, it means only one is alive now. ~Peregrine - Master Chief FTW! 15:56, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Old Gods Strength
Assuming this is cannon in the War of the Ancients Trilogy, the watching Old Gods are narrated as at least BELIEVING they can swat Sargeras like a fly once he steps through the portal. They back this statement up by mentioning it had taken an army of titans to imprision them last time.
Assuming the book is canon this probably resolves that debate that in their "natural form" (unlike C'thun or maybe the forgotten one), a form the old gods still believe they can recover, the old gods are far more powerful than the Titans, especially since Sargeras before his fall was considered one of their greatest warriors.
It is possible to claim that the reason they are so confident they can defeat Sargeras is because they outnumber him 3 to 1 and were simply of comparable power to him but the actual phrasing they use toward Sargeras is rather contemptuous in the book, implying they think he's nothing compared to them. --Darkling235 15:44, 4 May 2007 (EDT)
- Just because they're omnipotent doesn't mean they're omniscient. It's quite a difference. Pzychotix 02:24, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Lets not forget that C'thun can be killed by 40 men, HOWEVER lets not also forget that he was stricken down and that he is on his last thread from death mustering all his life, He is basically like your old folks who are sitting there in there hospital bed...But following all that the Old Gods have...C'thun was overcome by the Titan who "Killed" him only due to the fact that a level 70 Warrior can infact go down by 15+ level 60 Players...Or after a gate is rammed so much it finally breaks...But lets look at all the things the Old Gods have, Neptulon, Ragnaros...Billions of Elemental Servants...Neptulons Krakens...The Naga...Azshara...
Basically Neptulon is supposed to be very powerful, Same with Azshara...The Numbers at the Old Gods command and infact there own power are far more then we may realize, If one Titan could kill C'thun then thats basically just thwarting the entire war off! Go send 5 Titans and be done with it all...The War was freakin Huge!
And I personally doubt that they planned to "Swat" Sergeras like a fly, Knowing that he is corrupted and was once a very powerful titan...The Old Gods would probably use him, As they tried to use him to break there chains during Azshara's fall via Illidan, He would probably appear in the Elemental Plane...Get mad...Break out somehow or strike a deal with the Old Gods...The Old Gods are cunning and scheming and dont really use brute force...
But seeing that everything that they have is far more then we realize...Millions of Faceless Ones if not billions, Naga, Twilight Hammer Cultist, Dark Iron Dwarves, Elemental Servants, Trillions of Sentient Insectoids, "Creatures" Of the Deep...
Lets look at there big bad people... Themselves alot more where kinda alive when the War took place... Faceless ones ranging from MC Trash in difficulty to Hakkar or beyond... The Naga Queen Azshara, and her matron Lady Vashj, Vashj is not as powerful as Azshara yet she is a BC Raid boss that is very powerful...So Azshara will probably fart and Illidan will blow off into the twisting nether... Illidan, He is more of a 50/50 pawn for them...As he listens to them in the War of the Ancients, Sides with the Naga...etc Neptulon the Tide-Hunter, The power fullest of all the Elemental Lieutenants...With the exception of Ragnaros the Fire-Lord who is easly Downable the Son of the Windseeker Thunderaan is nearly the same power as Ragnaros, So id imagine the Earth and Air Lieutenants are far more powerful then Ragnaros... All of Neptulon's little horrors such as the Kraken and etc...
And even when the future comes there are Billions of Qiraj everywere, Infinite Dragonflight, There numbers are that of the Burning Legion! They probably can beat Sargeras... User:Shiniki/Shiniki
- It is not a fact that the Infinite Dragonlfight serves the Old Gods, nobody can identify either their masters or their goals. ~ Peregrine
Well, this doesn't really have to do with the old god's strength, but you gotta remember that when Ragnaros was summoned Shiniki, that his power was greatly depleted, and it is most likely that he's more powerful than the windlord at his full strength. The book im getting this from says that Therazane isn't "far more powerful", only a little bit. Jclipps 01:48, 13 September 2007 (UTC)Top Gun
Sargeras would probably win. Look at what he got:
- Infifnite amount Demon called the Burning Legion that was tested against COUNTLESS worlds?
- Kil'jeaden, the ever sceming one?
- Sargeras himself, Destroyer of the Worlds, Enermy of all Life, Dark Titan !
Sargeras is the champion of the Titans he probably can defeat the Old Gods. And of the Old God really was that powerful and had BILLIONS of minions why not go to conquer other worlds like what Sargeras did?
And INFINITE is a lot lot lot more than simply BILLION. -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tohjohn (talk · contr).
"Kathune" deleted?
Double you tee eff, why was it deleted?
- "Kathune" is "C'Thun" spelled phonetically, not a separate entity. - Egrem--SWM2448 23:06, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
How do you know this?
- How do you know that it's a new entity? Secondly, that info isn't released except through WoW Model Viewer, and it's datamined info. Pzychotix 23:40, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't know that it's a new entity, but we don't know that its not either. Should I maybe post that on Old Gods speculation instead of Old Gods?]
- At the very least, it's a name that's found through datamined methods. Please keep that in mind when posting about stuff you find while you scour the files for information. It's the same reason why Zul'Aman isn't filled with all the info and speculation we find in there. —Pzychotix (talk · contr) 13:40, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Old God in Northrend
http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/08/04/blizzcon-day-2-wow-lore-and-quests-panel-liveblog/
From the Lore and Quests Panel at BlizzCon:
"One of our jobs as adventurers is to explore Ajol;Nerub to see what is there. We will find something bigger and ancient and... ok it's obviously one of the old gods. Ok, we've already let that out of the bag. (laughter)"
This suggests that the Forgotten One fought by Arthas and Anub'arak was probably an Old God after all. Egrem
- Yeah, I don't think there's been much doubt about that for a while now. :P I hope we get to fight more than a C'thun clone though. I wonder if the "new" old god will be given a weird name like C'thun or will he just be "The Forgotten One". -- Raze 01:54, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I heard people also using the plural term when speaking of the old gods coming out in the expansion. So, if the forgotten one is to be the old god in Northrend, what of the other one('s)? There have been rumors that the large space on the left side of Tirisfal Glades was actually going to be an instance that led to another old god. Jclipps 01:57, 13 September 2007 (UTC) Top Gun
- So far there's been absolutely no hint or suggestion of anything other than the one in Azjol'Nerub. Doesn't look like there'll be others, but hopefully we'll learn more about the other Old Gods in there somewhere. (If Blizzard decides to put some actual story into it!) -- Raze 02:06, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
I remember seeing or hearing about how there might be an old god in Tirisfal, but here's what I found: It is possible that one of the imprisoned Old Gods is located beneath the Tirisfal Glades. When the high elves first landed on the Lordaeron continent, they encountered a strange force. Forging inland, the high elves founded a settlement within the tranquil Tirisfal Glades. After a few years, many of them began to go mad. It was theorized that something evil slept beneath that particular part of the world, but the rumors were never proven to be true. Whould you call this a hint or just some creepy thing put down? Jclipps 02:48, 13 September 2007 (UTC) Top Gun
- Depends whether or not that line comes from an official source. Some to think of it I may have read something similar to that, though it could have been fan-made. -- Raze 04:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
- The quote is indeed official. See Tirisfal Grove. Kirkburn talk contr 17:03, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Then I just guess it's up to Blizzard to implement it or not into the game. Jclipps 03:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
- Dangnabit, if Blizzard doesn't go through with The Forgotten One being an Old God by wonderful fanfiction will be a retcon... blast! *shakes fist* ~Peregrine Faithbearer 01:50, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Anzu
Can someone who did the druid swift flight form quest chain confirm that Anzu the Raven God has something to do with the Nightmare? A lot of dialog is said in in-game events, not is citeable quest text. From what I gather, the chain involves hunting what sent a raven spirit to attack the druids in Moonglade.--SWM2448 21:20, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
- There's nothing much at all about it from NPC dialogue, it's all in the quest chains. Pretty much, Anzu is refered with similar descriptions and titles as Old Godes and you discover he is the one that caused the Nightmare. You eventually kill him with the implication the Nightmare ending. Something not many people realize, pretty much eliminates most Emerald Dream ideas. I've poked Baggins to flesh out the Anzu and Nightmare and ED pages with the info before, but it's not been done yet. All the relevant quest info is however floating around on WW already. --
- i dont remeber that questline stating anything about anzu being the cause of the nnightmare, from what i can think of or he was of, the nightmare paws, he was corrupted by the nightmare. also what the heck is a self proclaimed raven god from the outlands doing on the emerald dream of azeroth.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ashbear160 (talk · contr).
Are the Old Gods really "that" evil?
- Non-editorial Discussion moved to Talk:Old Gods/Analysis. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 04:17, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Any Idea on Their Prison?
This question just occured to me and now I'm really curious. Does it say anywhere what the Old God's prison is? I know they were super weakened, but what would be able to hold them? Surely they would have at least gained some strength back after so many millenia of waiting. Maybe this is just one of those questions that we'll never know, but if anyone has any ideas, speculations, proof, or thoughts on this I would appreciate hearing them. Jclipps 22:52, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
- My personal speculation is that they are either contained within the depths of Uldum, or they are held in some sort of inter-dimensional plane locked beneath the earth. ~My rage bar is blue and I start the fight pissed - Peregrine 03:04, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Same, Perhaps that there are portals to the inter-dimensional plane that the Titan's used to lock them away, then sealed the Portal into a backwards fortress filled with guards and other things to keep the portal supressed? --Shiniki 22:28, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Interest in Other Worlds
Well I have seen many people here claiming the Old Gods had no interest in any world aside from Azeroth. However, to quote A'Dal:
One in partiucular, a servant of the Old Gods known as Harbinger Skyriss, seeks to usher in his masters' vision of conquering all of the worlds in the universe.
Proof that the Old Gods did, indeed, pose a threat to all of existence. ~My rage bar is blue and I start the fight pissed - Peregrine 18:29, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Old Gods' allies
No section on allies of Old Gods? Rolandius 
(talk - contr) 05:44, 20 June 2008 (UTC)