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Deathwing
Title	The Destroyer, Aspect of Death, The Worldbreaker, The Black Scourge, formerly Neltharion the Earth-Warder; see more below
Gender	Male
Race	Black wyrm (Dragonkin)
Level	?? Boss
Affiliation(s)	Black Dragonflight, Twilight Dragonflight, Old Gods; (Formerly) Dragon Aspects, Horde of Draenor
Occupation	Aspect of the Black Dragonflight, (Formerly) Guardian of Azeroth
Location	Deepholm / Twilight Highlands
Status	Eternal, Active
Relative(s)	Sintharia (former prime consort), Nefarian, Onyxia, Sabellian, Barthamus, Neltharaku (children)
Alignment	Chaotic evil

Revision as of 10:54, 16 May 2011

Not to be confused with Đeathwing.

For strategy on the future encounter, see Deathwing (tactics). For Warcraft II stats, see Warcraft II Units.

Deathwing the Destroyer,^[2] formerly known as Neltharion the Earth-Warder, is one of the five Dragon Aspects and leader of the black dragonflight. Thousands of years ago, Neltharion was empowered by the Titans with dominion over the earth and the deep places of Azeroth. However, driven mad by the Old Gods, he turned against the other Aspects during the War of the Ancients. Among both mortals and dragons his name has become one whispered with a feeling of fear and contempt.

The black aspect involved himself in the Second War, adopting the form of Lord Daval Prestor in order to destroy the Alliance from within. He also managed to turn his greatest enemy, Alexstrasza, into a slave of the Horde, with which he later allied himself. After a series of setbacks, culminating in his defeat at the hands of the other Aspects, Deathwing retreated to the elemental plane of Deepholm to recuperate. From there, he observed his former mate Sintharia's experiments with the twilight dragonflight in Grim Batol. He now continues his late consort's work.

Though believed dead by many, Deathwing made his return in World of Warcraft: Cataclysm, the third expansion to World of Warcraft, and his wrath constituted a pre-release event known as the Shattering, which changed the world of Azeroth permanently. The world continues to reel from the effects of Deathwing's return as he flies over Azeroth to randomly cast his flame.

Deathwing has control over the land and its fathoms, including lava. Like the rest of his dragonflight, lava features prominently in his attacks. He also has the ability to withstand extreme temperatures, such as those within volcanoes.

Biography

Early history

Neltharion was originally the mighty black wyrm chosen by the titan Khaz'goroth to be one of the five Dragon Aspects, with domain over the earth and the deep places of the world. In peaceful times, Neltharion was renowned for his wisdom and power, and he became known as Neltharion the Earth-Warder, a great protector of the land. Malygos the Spell-Weaver, the Aspect of magic, was his closest friend.

Then came the madness that destroyed Neltharion's mind, changing him and his kind forever and leading to the creation of the powerful item known as the Dragon Soul, later the Demon Soul. The inner-voices of the Old Gods convinced him that he could have power beyond his imagination if he served them. The voices made him paranoid of even his own black dragonflight. Neltharion began to yearn for a world dominated by his black dragonflight — a world in which the other dragonflights ceased to exist and Ysera and Alexstrasza would be his petty slaves for mating.

The Old Gods convinced Neltharion to create the Dragon Soul. With the help of goblins, Neltharion created a simple golden disc made of his blood and forged in the goblins' cauldrons and anvils deep beneath the earth. Empowered by Neltharion's magic, the simple disc was magically shielded so that the other Dragon Aspects could not see within it. There was an evil within the disc, some taint of the Old Gods, though what exactly it is not known.

War of the Ancients

When the Burning Legion entered Azeroth during the War of the Ancients, Neltharion saw the opportunity to complete his Dragon Soul. Guided by the voices of the Old Gods, he first captured demons of the Burning Legion, and added their powers to the Dragon Soul. Neltharion then convinced Malygos to help him with the other Dragon Aspects. All of them agreed to give a portion of their powers to the Dragon Soul, including all dragons of their dragonflights. Neltharion proposed that the Dragon Soul disc could be a weapon of great power to destroy the demons of the Burning Legion. Unknown to the rest, Neltharion was the only one who did not give of his powers to the Dragon Soul.

Neltharion, the Dragon Aspects and their dragonflights flew toward Zin-Azshari where the night elves held the demons at bay. The dragons awaited Neltharion's first attack. He grabbed the Dragon Soul and by channeling his destructive power through it destroyed thousands of demons with one swing of radiant magic. The Dragon Aspects watched in horror as Neltharion also killed hundreds of night elves and other allies along with the demons.

Neltharion revealed the depths of his betrayal at last. Now with the disc at his command he wanted all races and the demons to see his power and to bow to him. The Dragon Aspects attacked Neltharion in an attempt to take the Dragon Soul from him and to reason with him in hopes of determining the cause of his perfidy. Malygos' blue dragonflight surrounded Neltharion, but with a swing of the Dragon Soul, most of the blue dragons perished. The next swing of the Dragon Soul paralyzed all dragonflights and the Dragon Aspects in mid-air, rendering them unable to move or speak. Neltharion then struck out at the Dragon Aspects and their dragonflights, destroying many and scattering them far across the land.

Neltharion's betrayal struck a great blow to the Aspects, and their fear of being destroyed like the blue dragonflight kept them in seclusion. In desperation, the Aspects shielded themselves and hid to become undetected even by each other.

Rise of the Destroyer

DeathwingLegends — Deathwing in *Warcraft Legends*

The growing corruption in Neltharion's heart warped his body, as the angelic dragon began taking a more demonic appearance, similar to how Sargeras changed to a more demonic form after his corruption. Neltharion's body cracked open, revealing his molten heart, and magma and fire flowed off his chest. His eyes became aflame in red, demonstrating the magnitude of his power and the depths of his evil. Thus was Deathwing the Destroyer born, and the Dragon Soul was renamed the Demon Soul.

Deathwing returned to his lair beneath a mountain. His proximity to the Demon Soul was ripping his body apart, so the goblin smiths forged an armor of adamantium to serve as a vessel to contain Deathwing's raging powers and keep them in check.^[3] Only the adamantium plates kept the power from destroying his body.

The Old Gods had manipulated Deathwing into creating the Demon Soul, but their true intention was that the demons would inform their lord Sargeras of the great power of the weapon used against them. Sargeras would no doubt want the Demon Soul to power the gateway that would let him enter Azeroth. By using the Demon Soul to amplify the gateway, the three Old Gods hoped to escape their prison beneath the planet.

However, Malfurion Stormrage used the Emerald Dream to find Deathwing's lair and stole the Demon Soul from the black dragon, who tried to pursue the thief in vain. Illidan and Varo'then captured Malfurion and took the Demon Soul back to Zin-Azshari, to Mannoroth the Destructor, the general of the Legion's armies. It was used to power up the portal that would allow Sargeras to enter Azeroth.

Deathwing tried one last time to recover the disk, when it was being used by both Sargeras and the Old Gods, and actually succeeded in reaching it. Deathwing was almost destroyed in the attempt, but after he got the Demon Soul, an enormous surge of power made him lose his grip on the disk, and sent him spiraling far away from the portal.

After the Burning Legion was defeated, the Dragon Aspects sealed the Demon Soul with their energies, so that Deathwing should never be able to manipulate the Demon Soul. The artifact was hidden in an undisclosed location by Malfurion at the request of the Dragon Aspects. No longer in possession of the artifact and now unable to use it, Deathwing vowed to destroy most life and to wreak havoc on the planet. With his powers over earth, Neltharion caused volcanoes to rise along with the destruction already caused by the Well of Eternity's implosion, sinking most of Kalimdor below the ocean.

When he succumbed, Neltharion ceased to exist, taking up a new name and a bitter purpose. He became Deathwing and his subjects were placed beneath the iron rule of a tyrant. Upon his irrevocable shift to evil, he turned against his destiny, and his mind unwound, causing suffering wherever he could.^[4]^[5] He himself chose Deathwing as his title, to better show his contempt and intentions for the lesser creatures around him.^[6]

Certain legends surrounding Deathwing claim that as the Earth-Warder, Deathwing shaped the land so the races would not go to war over land and resources. When he went mad, Deathwing lowered the mountains and allowed the races to intermingle. He ruined fertile land and destroyed other terrain so that the races would be forced to fight for food. Deathwing's efforts gave birth to an occupation that has remained with all races since then: war.^[4]^[5]

Second War

HeroDeathWingWC2 — Deathwing in Warcraft II.

Deathwingartwar2 — Deathwing as depicted in the Warcraft II manual.

Deathwingcinematicwar2 — Deathwing in a Warcraft II cinematic.

Ten thousand years later, during the Second War, Deathwing discovered the Demon Soul's location. Although he couldn't wield its power because of the enchantment placed upon it by the Dragon Aspects, he realized that he could manipulate someone else to do so. Eventually, he found the perfect pawns: the orcs of the Dragonmaw clan. Through visions, Deathwing led the chieftain of the clan, Zuluhed the Whacked, to find the Demon Soul. Zuluhed in turn gave the Demon Soul to the warlock Nekros Skullcrusher. Nekros had no clue as to the power he was wielding, but was able to tap into enough of its power to capture and enslave Alexstrasza and her consorts in order to breed dragons for the Horde.

Kryll, a goblin servant of Deathwing, was sent to infiltrate the Dragonmaw clan and to serve Nekros Skullcrusher. Nekros ended up being manipulated by Kryll into doing Deathwing's bidding. The goblin served as an "advisor" to Nekros, whispering ideas to the orc in order to further Deathwing's aims.

After Ner'zhul reopened the portal to Azeroth, his forces were approached by Deathwing. He offered his own children for assistance in exchange for safe passage to Draenor. They agreed and Deathwing helped them prepare for several key battles to steal two artifacts from the Alliance in order for Ner'zhul's newly reformed Horde to create new portals to other worlds. They then fled back to the Dark Portal to Draenor. Deathwing believed the world would be a relatively safe haven for his offspring and secreted away a cache of black dragon eggs there. While at his great mountain lair, he was attacked by the forces of the Alliance Expedition, who destroyed several of his eggs.^[7] Deathwing was temporarily defeated but survived.

Having escaped back to Azeroth, Deathwing ended up in a fight with some of the archmagi of Dalaran and feigned defeat, falling into the sea, where most of the council assumed at the time that he died.^[8] He was not dead, however, and he took a human guise, pretending to be a heroic noble named Lord Prestor in an effort to be declared king of Alterac, where he could manipulate the Alliance from within.^[9]

Soon after Ner'zhul recklessly opened multiple portals on Draenor, the magical stress tore the planet apart. The energies released in this catastrophe altered Deathwing's eggs, resulting in the nether drakes: partially corporeal and partially ethereal dragons who possess the ability to shift between the astral and physical planes. Without Deathwing's guidance, these otherworldly nether drakes are just now finding their own way among the blasted ruins of Outland.

Lord Prestor and the battle of Grim Batol

Main article: Lord Daval Prestor

Deathwing, posing as Lord Prestor, managed to make himself popular with King Terenas and the kings of the Alliance nations, and for a while had strong influence in the decisions of state. Using subtle magic, he was able to ensnare the minds of the human leaders and forced them to grant him the title of king of Alterac.^[10] He also managed to trick King Terenas into giving him the hand of his daughter, Calia Menethil. His ultimate goal was to obtain a high level of power and influence within the Alliance, so he could destroy it from within.

Deathwing began his campaign against the Alliance by pitting the kingdoms of Lordaeron, Stromgarde, Gilneas and Kul Tiras against the Kirin Tor of Dalaran - who Deathwing considered threats to his new identity. The only one to ever fully uncover the truth about his identity was the dragon mage Krasus, the mortal form of Korialstrasz. However, the Kirin Tor were able to discern that he was a powerful being hiding in a human form, and tried to devise a way to stop him.

The orcs of the Dragonmaw clan at Grim Batol kept their hold over Alexstrasza, even though the bulk of the Horde had already been defeated. Deathwing tried to frighten the Dragonmaw orcs into believing that the humans were attacking Grim Batol, so that they would move Alexstrasza and her eggs north to Dun Algaz; this left her eggs vulnerable. Deathwing hoped to steal Alextrasza's latest cache for himself to create a new dragonflight; though bearing the crimson scales of the Dragonqueen, they would be raised by Deathwing and carry his hatred for the mortal races.

Deathwing used his pawns to manipulate the mage Rhonin, who had been sent to Grim Batol by Krasus, as part of a plan to free Alexstrasza. He saved the young mage several times, and helped him reach Grim Batol, hoping that his appearance inside the mountain fortress would further convince Nekros to flee from it. Though the orcs were convinced and began leaving Grim Batol, Deathwing's attack on the caravan, however, failed. Nekros tried to use the Demon Soul on Deathwing, but was unsuccessful due to the disk having no power over the black dragon. He then sent Tyranastrasz, old and sick, to stop the Deathwing, but he failed and was killed.

At the behest of Krasus, the three remaining free aspects, Malygos, Ysera and Nozdormu, grudgingly decided to come out of their lairs and attack Deathwing. However, due to the power they had given to the Demon Soul, they were no match for the black leviathan. But Rhonin was able to steal the Demon Soul from Nekros, freeing Alexstrasza in the process. Furthermore, he discovered its weakness and destroyed it, releasing all the powers of the dragons who had given their power ten thousand years earlier. Deathwing was sent retreating with four very angry, fully-empowered Dragon Aspects on his heels, though he managed to elude them in the end. Lord Prestor vanished when Deathwing was forced to go into hiding, and Deathwing's influence over the nobles disappeared along with him.

In World of Warcraft

This section concerns content related to the original World of Warcraft.

Onyxia and Nefarian, offspring of Deathwing and masters of the black dragonflight in the absence of their father, have tried to control the world. Onyxia followed in her father's footsteps by taking the Prestor name to attempt to manipulate the Alliance. She posed as a human counselor named Katrana Prestor for the new child King of Stormwind. Nefarian, meanwhile, posed as a human named Lord Victor Nefarius, Lord of the Blackrock Mountain in the Burning Steppes. He was able to enslave the Blackrock Clan orcs who served him on the top of the mountain, the Blackrock Spire.

Wrath of the Lich King

This section concerns content related to Wrath of the Lich King.

YoggNeltharion — Neltharion in his human form, as seen in Yogg-Saron's mind chamber.

Deathwing first made his debut in World of Warcraft as a cameo appearance during the battle against the Old God Yogg-Saron, inside Ulduar. He appears in human form and under his original name of Neltharion, and is featured along with all the other Aspects in a flashback that depicts the creation of the Dragon Soul, ten thousand years earlier.

This was Deathwing's first official appearance in a Warcraft game since Warcraft II: Beyond the Dark Portal.

Cataclysm

This section concerns content related to Cataclysm.

Deathwing Cataclysm 3 — Deathwing as depicted on Cataclysm Official Website

File:Deathwing001.jpg

Deathwing in his current in-game human form.

Deathwing human art — Artwork of Deathwing in his human form.

Cataclysm marked the return of Deathwing and his wrath constituted a world-changing event known as the Shattering. He plays a part in a number of quests as well as the achievement [Stood in the Fire] and will also be the final boss encounter of the expansion. He is the last of the Dragon Aspects to appear in dragon form in the game, and will be the second one that can be confronted by raids (the first being Malygos).

Deepholm

Hidden away inside the Temple of Earth is the Stonecore, locked in the heart of Deepholm. It was here inside this mysterious domain that the corrupted Dragon Aspect Deathwing waited, recovering from the wounds of his last battle against the forces of Azeroth. As he bided his time until he could reforge the world in molten fire, the Twilight's Hammer toiled over him, forging a new armor of elementium plates that were then hammered to the Dragon Aspect's skin to hold his tormented body together.^[11]^[12]

Awakening

In recent years, the whisperings of the Old Gods have gotten worse; the Old Ones' dread power steadily increased as C'Thun and Yogg-Saron stirred from their ancient slumbers, and the growing influence of the Old Gods has magnified Deathwing's power ten-fold. From within his lair in the elemental plane of Deepholm, Deathwing has awoken from his slumber and literally erupted into the world. His explosion into Azeroth was so powerful that it tore a rift between the Elemental Plane and Azeroth and caused earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, and floods, reshaping the very face of the world. No region has remained untouched in the wake of the devastating Shattering.

Random attacks

Following his explosive escape from Deepholm, Deathwing cast a deadly shadow over the people of Azeroth. Deathwing randomly chooses zones to attack; a blackened sky is the only warning before every living creature caught in his approach is consumed by his terrible fire and killed. Dying in this manner also rewards the [Stood in the Fire] achievement. Deathwing will continue strafing random zones "until his ruinous reign is brought to an end."

The Badlands

The main storyline quest of the Badlands in Cataclysm is centered around Rheastrasza and her research of the black dragonflight and of a way of purifying them. She has captured the black dragon, Nyxondra, and forces her to lay eggs for the experiments. She feels pity for the black dragon, but knows it is for the greater good. After succeeding in creating a purified black dragon egg, she constantly moves around to avoid being found by agents of the black dragonflight, who want to destroy the egg. In the quest [47] Rheastrasza's Gift, she is killed by Deathwing, who was after the egg. The egg he destroyed, however, was not the purified one, but Rheastrasza's own egg.

There is also a quest chain involving Theldurin the Lost and his friends telling rather tall tales about how each of them defeated Deathwing.^[13]^[14]^[15]

Mount Hyjal

At the beginning of the storyline, Deathwing summons the Firelord, Ragnaros along with his fire elemental servants into the world of Azeroth, aided by his mortal followers, the Twilight's Hammer clan with the ultimate goal of destroying Nordrassil.

Uldum

During the Uldum storyline it is revealed that Deathwing enlisted the aid of Al'Akir and his air elemental minions to do his bidding. The Tol'vir, native residents of Uldum have joined his ranks as well, seduced by the promises of power and removal of the Curse of Flesh. He also sent his mortal minions, led by Commander Schnottz to gain control of the Maker's Terrace and reconfigure it into a weapon of mass destruction.

The Twilight Highlands

In Twilight Highlands the Horde fleet is ambushed, undefended, by Deathwing and his twilight drakes. Though Garrosh is personally able to fend one such drake off, his ship itself suffers massive damage and falls into the ocean below. The remainder of the fleet suffers a similar fate, crashing down into the sea.

Deathwing is later seen in the Twilight highlands quest chain. After beating back his Twilight dragon minions, the player along with Alexstrasza and her son Calen, use a sanctified circle of life to lure Deathwing to their location so Alexstrasza could destroy him once and for all. The plan quickly falls apart as Deathwing proves to be more powerful then they realize. After a quick dialogue, Deathwing and Alexstrasza face each other above Grim Batol, shadowing the events of Day of the Dragon.^[16] After a long battle, Alexstrasza and Deathwing spiral out of sight, with Deathwing spitting a stream of magma. Alexstrasza, severely wounded, lands near the entrance and tells the player, along with Calen, that Deathwing was dead. Soon after however, Deathwing rises above the hillside, wounded, but not nearly as bad as Alexstrasza. The player then flees with the near-dead Alexstrasza as Calen distracts Deathwing long enough for them to escape. Deathwing then leaves as, according to Calen, he was wounded more then he let on and needed time to heal. ^[17]

Flight of the Blue

Following the death of Malygos, the Blue Dragonflight are torn between two possible new leaders - Kalecgos, and Arygos. Ultimately, it is revealed that Arygos has entered into an alliance with the Blue Dragonflight's original despoiler, Deathwing, in order to become the new Aspect of Magic - and Deathwing, though eager to see him overthrow Kaelcgos, warns him not to repeat the mistakes of his father.

Their plot ends in failure, however, as Tarecgosa sacrifices herself to save Kalecgos from Arygos' assault, and Arygos flees Coldarra - swearing that Neltharion will destroy them all.

Personality

While Deathwing was once a benevolent entity, he is now completely evil. He hates all mortal races, and wishes to kill them all. He's also utterly insane, most notably shown when he had the Demon Soul. Deathwing was attached to it, such that even when warned by the goblin alchemists who made his first armor that the Demon Soul's energies would kill him if he kept it with him too long, it wasn't enough for him to let go of it, and was only willing to part with, temporarily, when reminded that it would likely be stolen from him if he was dead.

In spite of his insanity, Deathwing does display a degree of cunning. Although he hates mortals, he is apparently willing to tolerate them if it can prove of any help in his plans, though inevitably he will do away with them when they have outlived their usefulness.

Despite Deathwing's overall loathing of mortals, he has respect for, and perhaps even a fear of, Medivh, stating in Day of the Dragon, that he would never willingly face Medivh in combat, though this might have technically been fear of the portion of Sargeras that was locked inside Medivh.

Description

The massive monstrosity before you rises up like a black, crag-covered mountain of scales and hide. The head is a spade-like terror spiked with cruel red eyes that shine with a frightening malevolence. Rivulets of lava and magma are visible beneath the great wyrm’s scorched scales.^[4]

Combat

Deathwing is a terrifying opponent who is as cruel as he is vicious. He cares nothing for honor or nobility, striking with whatever weapons and cunning he has at his disposal, reveling in causing earthquakes and ripping open volcanic fissures. He often sends his minions into combat while he surveys the battlefield, striking at whatever weaknesses he discovers.^[4]

Names and titles

Lord Daval Prestor II in the *World of Warcraft* Beta — likely depicting a son. He was replaced by Onyxia.

He is usually referred to as "Deathwing" by the majority of beings. Only a few mages, night elves and dragons still call him "Neltharion". However, over the years Deathwing has been given many names, including, but not limited to:

Neltharion the Earth-Warder
Neltharion the Betrayer
Deathwing the Black
Deathwing the Destroyer
Deathwing the Worldbreaker
Xaxas (used by the night elves; "chaos", "fury" or "elemental fury" in Darnassian).^[18]
Blood's Shadow (used by the orcs)^[19]
Lord Daval Prestor/King Prestor the First, ruler of Alterac.^[20] (human disguise)
The Black Scourge (used by the other Dragon Aspects)
The Dark One^[6]
Death Aspect/Aspect of Death
Blackwing Greatfather (used by the gronn)
The Unmaker of Worlds

Memorable quotes

War of Ancient Trilogy

"You will learn to show respect. You are in the presence of my glorious self, I, Neltharion. I am the Earth-Warder. You will treat me with the reverence I deserve."
"You know me... but I do not know you. You would speak against me... make the others see me as you do... you would have them distrust their comrade of old... their brother... You will not be allowed to spread any of your malicious falsehoods..."
"For it to be as it must, yes." (responding to Ysera question about the Dragon Soul's glow)
"It is done! All that which must be given has been given, I now seal the Dragon Soul forever!"
"Yes, and you will press him time and time again with it, will you not?" (in a discussion about whether Nozdormu should be granted more time for his choirs or not)
"No! I will say what will be done from here on! I, not you, Alexstrasza! Be silent!"
"After I have slain all of you, I shall take your eggs, Alexstrasza, and create my perfect world!"

Beyond the Dark Portal

"My children! My children, murdered! Come forward, disgusting, cowardly wretches, murderers of defenseless infants, and know torment and madness before I devour you whole! Who will be the first to be blasted to ashes?" (yelling at the gronn)
"Puny mortals! I have had many names throughout history, all of them spoken with dread: Neltharion, Xaxas, and many more. Yet you shall know me best as Deathwing, for so I am! I am the bane of life, the darkness within history, the lord of death, the master of destruction. And I tell you now, and so it is true, that this world is mine!"
"You may have won this battle, I give you that. But hear this, and hear it well. I have seen you, mage."

Day of the Dragon

"I am power incarnate! You are nothing but shadows of the past!"
"Have you not been through enough? Will you continue to fight what you cannot defeat?"
"What are they to me - or, for that matter, even you? I will never understand that!"
Deathwing: I have faced the ravages of time, the curse of nightmares, and the mists of sorcery, thanks to the others! What weapons do you bring?
Alexstrasza: Life... hope... and what they bring with them...
Deathwing: Then you're as good as dead already!

Night of the Dragon

"The Day of The Dragon is over, its night is almost upon Azeroth...and after the night has swept away the old fights...there shall come new dawn... the dawn of my new world..."

Cataclysm Cinematic

Deathwing narrates the Cataclysm cinematic as his armor is reforged in Deepholm. As it nears completion, various areas of Azeroth began to tremble, until Deathwing explodes from Deepholm causing the Shattering. Deathwing flies around the world to Stormwind City where the cinematic ends.

Pain... Agony.... My hatred burns through the cavernous deeps. The world heaves with my torment. Its wretched kingdoms quake beneath my rage... But at last... The whole of Azeroth will break... ...And all will burn beneath the shadow of my wings...

Cataclysm

End? Me? Life-Binder, you think life is yours to take away? Life is weak! Mortal! Fleeting! Fragile! Death is final, death is eternal, death... is my realm. Look upon me, and you see death incarnate: The Unmaker of Worlds!

The sun has set on this mortal world, fools. Make peace with your end, for the Hour of Twilight falls!

Lord of the Clans

Deathwing2 — Thrall's encounter with Deathwing.

During the cancelled Warcraft Adventures: Lord of the Clans game, Thrall would have met with Deathwing in order to match wits.^[21] Whether this is still part of the lore remains to be seen, but it seems unlikely given that no source mentions a meeting of the two and other lore sources since have contradicted the possibility. The fact that Deathwing was seen smoking a hookah was blamed on a "miscommunication".^{[citation needed]}

Trivia

Deathwing is featured in the Cataclysm login screen, standing atop two Stormwind towers.
At BlizzCon 2010, the cinematic artists said that they designed Deathwing with the idea that he had a 1,200 foot wingspan in mind.
The companion pet [Lil' Deathwing] is the special companion given to those that own the Collector's Edition of the Cataclysm expansion.
Deathwing is pictured on the [Darkmoon Card: Death].
Deathwing can be recognized by his mandible, which resembles that of Zilla of the 1998 movie Godzilla, and the colossal blade on the end of his gigantic tail.
His voice resembles that of Black Doom from the 2005 SEGA game, Shadow the Hedgehog.
Deathwing has the highest health in the game currently, with 858,000,000 HP.

Videos

Cataclysm Intro Cinematic	Deathwing fly over the world

Deathwing vs Alexstrasza in Grim Batol	Deathwing vs Alexstrasza in Grim Batol, take two

Gallery

Artwork of Alexstraza and Deathwing locked in combat.
Deathwing's Humanoid form, for a quest in the Badlands.
Mount Hyjal
Deathwing uses the Shadowflame.
Garrosh and Varian fighting Deathwing in his human form.
Concept art
Concept art
In the Cataclysm login-screen.
In the cinematic, used as background on Battle.net during the expansion's release to normal servers.

References

^ Shadows & Light, 92
^ Monster Guide, 39, 41
^ At BlizzCon 2009 it was said that Deathwing's plate armor was made of iron.
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d Shadows & Light, 93
^ ^a ^b Manual of Monsters, 29
^ ^a ^b Day of the Dragon, 135
^ Shadows & Light, 57
^ Day of the Dragon, 3
^ Shadows & Light, 94
^ Lands of Conflict, 34
^ Blizzard Entertainment. An ancient evil lies dormant within Deepholm, the domain of earth in the Elemental Plane. (English). ''World of Warcraft: Cataclysm. Retrieved on 2009-08-25.
^ http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/cataclysm/features/stonecore.html
^ Quest:The Day that Deathwing Came
^ Quest:The Day that Deathwing Came: The Real Story
^ Quest:The Day that Deathwing Came: What Really Happened
^ Quest:Enter the Dragon Queen
^ Quest:Battle of Life and Death
^ Day of the Dragon, 136
^ The Well of Eternity, 101
^ Day of the Dragon, 87
^ Bill Roper. Warcraft Adventures. PC Gaming Graveyard 3. GameSpot. Retrieved on 2007-08-15.

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Talk: Sylvanas Windrunner

Revision as of 10:54, 16 May 2011

Contents

Biography

Early history

War of the Ancients

Rise of the Destroyer

Second War

Lord Prestor and the battle of Grim Batol

In World of Warcraft

Wrath of the Lich King

Cataclysm

Deepholm

Awakening

Random attacks

The Badlands

Mount Hyjal

Uldum

The Twilight Highlands

Flight of the Blue

Personality

Description

Combat

Names and titles

Memorable quotes

War of Ancient Trilogy

Beyond the Dark Portal

Day of the Dragon

Night of the Dragon

Cataclysm Cinematic

Cataclysm

Lord of the Clans

Trivia

Videos

Gallery

See also

References

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+{{Distinguish|Đeathwing}}
-{{Talkheader}}
+{{about||strategy on the future encounter|Deathwing (tactics)|Warcraft II stats|Warcraft II Units}}
-Archived discussions: [[Talk:Sylvanas Windrunner/Archive1]], [[Talk:Sylvanas Windrunner/Archive2]]
+{{Npcbox
+| image = Glowei Deathwing.jpg
+| name = Deathwing
+| titles = The Destroyer, Aspect of Death, The Worldbreaker, The Black Scourge, formerly Neltharion the Earth-Warder; [[Deathwing#Names_and_titles|see more below]]
+| gender = Male
+| race = Black wyrm
+| creature = [[Dragonkin]]
+| level = ??
+| type = Boss
+| health = 858,000,000
+| occupation = Aspect of the Black Dragonflight, (Formerly) Guardian of Azeroth
+| location = [[Deepholm]] / [[Twilight Highlands]]
+| relatives = [[Sinestra|Sintharia]] (former prime consort), [[Nefarian]], [[Onyxia]], [[Sabellian]], [[Barthamus]], [[Neltharaku]] (children)
+| affiliation = [[Black Dragonflight]], [[Twilight Dragonflight]], [[Old Gods]]; (Formerly) [[Dragon Aspects]], [[Horde of Draenor]]
+| faction = Neutral
+| alignment = [[Chaotic evil]]<ref name="S&L 92">''[[Shadows & Light]]'', 92</ref>
+| status = [[Eternal]], Active
+}}
+'''Deathwing the Destroyer''',<ref name="MG">''[[Monster Guide]]'', 39, 41</ref> formerly known as '''Neltharion the Earth-Warder''', is one of the five [[Dragon Aspect]]s and leader of the [[black dragonflight]]. Thousands of years ago, Neltharion was empowered by the [[Titan]]s with dominion over the earth and the deep places of [[Azeroth (world)|Azeroth]]. However, driven mad by the [[Old Gods]], he turned against the other Aspects during the [[War of the Ancients]]. Among both mortals and dragons his name has become one whispered with a feeling of fear and contempt.
-==Race/Creature==
-She is a Forsaken (Humanoid). The creature part does not seem to show up so I guess you have to write both Race type and Creature type in the Race section when you edit for some reason, unless I am missing something with this template. If you put "formerly" High elf then you will have to put "formerly", and then the race, of every Forsaken and Undead that exists in lore. Unless she turns back back into a High Elf, I think Forsaken fits as her "race" pretty well. [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Talk">talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Contributions">contr</span>]])</small> 09:33, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
-:Forsaken is a faction. Undead is a condition. High elf is her race. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 09:45, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
-::Incorrect. Forsaken is a faction and a race. Undead is a creature type. High elf is a race type of which she is no longer. [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Talk">talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Contributions">contr</span>]])</small> 09:51, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
-:::Rolandius, before you start an edit war, I strongly recommend you consult the admins about this. This is a discussion we have had before. Forsaken is a faction, not a race. She is still a high elf, albeit an undead one. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 10:00, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
-::::I thought it was agreed by everyone that Forsaken was a faction while forsaken was a race? Ok, I am not reverting your stuff on purpose and I will not edit this page any longer until someone sorts it out. I was just following WoWWiki which lists forsaken as a race unless I am missing something. If you just look at any page of a character who is found in those lands of the Forsaken the article lists their race as Forsaken and not Human or High Elf. This would mean we have to change every NPC from Forsaken to whatever their previous race status was and that will be about 100 pages maybe, I am not sure. Also, WoWHead lists her new model as a Humanoid unless they are wrong. Vereesa Windrunner would be an example of a High Elf not Sylvanas.[[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Talk">talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Contributions">contr</span>]])</small>
+The black aspect involved himself in the [[Second War]], adopting the form of Lord '''[[Daval Prestor]]''' in order to destroy the [[Alliance of Lordaeron|Alliance]] from within. He also managed to turn his greatest enemy, [[Alexstrasza]], into a slave of the [[Horde]], with which he later allied himself. After a series of setbacks, culminating in his defeat at the hands of the other Aspects, Deathwing retreated to the [[elemental plane]] of [[Deepholm]] to recuperate. From there, he observed his former mate [[Sintharia]]'s experiments with the [[twilight dragonflight]] in [[Grim Batol]]. He now continues his late consort's work.
-:::::For the purposes of infobox information, "Undead" is listed as a condition. It can also be creature type, but that's mostly for game mechanics. Sylvanas's status should therefore be "undead", instead of "acitve." The "active" status is reserved for gods (or god-like beings), demigods, and powerful demons.
-:::::As for Race versus creature type, Race is lore, creature type is in-game. --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 20:23, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
-::::::Last I heard Sylvanas was in-game also. This would make her a Humanoid like most of her followers and her classification on WoWHead. Does this mean we have to change all the Forsaken (Humanoid) on WoWWiki to something else now? If her status is Undead then the Undead part in her race infobox is just redundant either way. As I said before, most of the forsaken are Undead high elves or Undead humans but we don't put that in their infobox. Sylvanas seems to be the only article on here not following procedure. [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Talk">talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Contributions">contr</span>]])</small> 01:33, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
+Though believed dead by many, Deathwing made his return in ''[[World of Warcraft: Cataclysm]]'', the third expansion to ''[[World of Warcraft]]'', and his wrath constituted a pre-release event known as the [[Shattering]], which changed the world of Azeroth permanently. The world continues to reel from the effects of Deathwing's return as he flies over Azeroth to randomly cast his flame.
-:Last I checked, this was WoWWiki, not WoWHead. As for race versus lore, "Forsaken (Humanoid)" isn't her "race", it's the convention that has (apparently, as I've never seen a discussion on it) sprung up to deal with actual race versus some form or another of in-game classification. You'll note that most NPCs are classed this way, though it makes little sense to me.--[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 04:35, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
+Deathwing has control over the land and its fathoms, including lava. Like the rest of his dragonflight, lava features prominently in his attacks. He also has the ability to withstand extreme temperatures, such as those within volcanoes.
-::I thought that was how people figured out, for example, if a satyr was a Demon or for some reason Blizzard made it a Humanoid, or Mechanical, etc. was by checking WoWHead. Unless you went looking for every single NPC in the game and clicked on them, but WoWHead seems faster and easier.
+== Biography ==
-::I didn't say her race was Forsaken (Humanoid). I said her race status was Forsaken and creature status was Humanoid as per template. In the infobox, it  would read Forsaken (Humanoid). Just look at any NPC aligned with her and it says race=Forsaken and creature=Humanoid usually. In the infobox, it reads as Forsaken (Humanoid). Isn't that what the template is there for? Or is this a different template for Sylvanus? Now her sister Veressa would be a High elf (Humanoid). This infobox makes it seem like Veressa is just like Sylvanas but they aren't. If you put too much info like Undead/former High elf/Humanoid/Forsaken/Banshee/Ghost it gets a little convuleted. If we followed the other 98% of the NPCs on WoWWiki her status should say Forsaken (Humanoid). Her "Undead" info is already in the Status area of the infobox and the information that she was a former Night elf and Banshee would be in her main page. Whatever you think it should be like I will go with it, but  I am just wondering why her page isn't following all the other NPC pages. Unless this template is different and does not show "Creature type" but instead shows "Race type" and "Former Race type"? If so, then you were right from the beginning and I just got mixed up between different templates.[[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Talk">talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Contributions">contr</span>]])</small> 04:59, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
+=== Early history ===
+Neltharion was originally the mighty [[black wyrm]] chosen by the [[titan]] [[Khaz'goroth]] to be one of the five [[Dragon Aspect]]s, with domain over the earth and the deep places of the world. In peaceful times, Neltharion was renowned for his wisdom and power, and he became known as Neltharion the Earth-Warder, a great protector of the land. [[Malygos]] the Spell-Weaver, the Aspect of magic, was his closest friend.
+Then came the madness that destroyed Neltharion's mind, changing him and his kind forever and leading to the creation of the powerful item known as the Dragon Soul, later the [[Demon Soul]]. The inner-voices of the [[Old Gods]] convinced him that he could have power beyond his imagination if he served them. The voices made him paranoid of even his own [[black dragonflight]]. Neltharion began to yearn for a world dominated by his black dragonflight &mdash; a world in which the other dragonflights ceased to exist and [[Ysera]] and [[Alexstrasza]] would be his petty slaves for mating.
-:::She's got the same template, but it doesn't seem to be showing creature type as a separate field for some reason... Creature type is an in-game thing, while race is what her actual race is. All the main groups are relegated to humanoid, all dragon-related beings are relegated to Dragonkin. They should be separate fields, so "<race> (<creature>oid)" isn't the way I want to go. As for the undead high elf, it's a clarifier, there's no separate field for that.--[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 05:08, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
+The Old Gods convinced Neltharion to create the [[Dragon Soul]]. With the help of [[goblin]]s, Neltharion created a simple golden disc made of his blood and forged in the goblins' cauldrons and anvils deep beneath the earth. Empowered by Neltharion's magic, the simple disc was magically shielded so that the other [[Dragon Aspect]]s could not see within it. There was an evil within the disc, some taint of the Old Gods, though what exactly it is not known.
-::::I tried awhile ago to put Creature type but it wouldn't show up in the page and I don't know why since the other NPCs work. Okay, so we use clarifiers for NPCs that are found both in lore and in-game? I will have to remember that. Why do we have the "Status" part of the infobox though if we are already saying she is Undead in the "clarifier" part of the infobox? I thought the "Status" would be Active like [[The Lich King]]'s article on WoWWiki. It says Status=Active. Like WoWHead, the Creature status for him is Undead and the Race is Human/Orc. If we use the Sylvanas page as an example, then The Lich King's page should say something like Scourge (former Human/Orc Undead) Status=Undead. It seems like his page makes more sense than Sylvanas' page though as an example for the template and her page should look like his does now. I am confused. [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Talk">talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Contributions">contr</span>]])</small> 05:37, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
+=== War of the Ancients ===
-:The clarifier is more due to her undead status- Anub'arak, for example could be listed as "undead Nerubian". "former high elf" could be a better way to put it, I suppose, if you want to avoid redundancy. Also Sylvanas, unlike most forsaken, used to be a high elf, while most of them were humans. The Lich King is a god or demigod-like entity, hence, he uses the "Active" status.--[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 14:39, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
+[[File:Deathwing.jpg|thumb]]
+When the [[Burning Legion]] entered [[Azeroth]] during the [[War of the Ancients]], Neltharion saw the opportunity to complete his Dragon Soul. Guided by the voices of the Old Gods, he first captured demons of the Burning Legion, and added their powers to the Dragon Soul. Neltharion then convinced [[Malygos]] to help him with the other Dragon Aspects. All of them agreed to give a portion of their powers to the Dragon Soul, including all dragons of their dragonflights. Neltharion proposed that the Dragon Soul disc could be a weapon of great power to destroy the demons of the Burning Legion. Unknown to the rest, Neltharion was the only one who did not give of his powers to the Dragon Soul.
+Neltharion, the Dragon Aspects and their dragonflights flew toward [[Zin-Azshari]] where the [[night elves]] held the demons at bay.  The dragons awaited Neltharion's first attack. He grabbed the Dragon Soul and by channeling his destructive power through it destroyed thousands of demons with one swing of radiant magic. The Dragon Aspects watched in horror as Neltharion also killed hundreds of night elves and other allies along with the demons.
-::I thought I read somewhere in the RPG where it said many Forsaken are, besides former Humans, also former High elves due to the Scourge going through Quall'thalas and all those High elf lands and converting many of them into Undead. [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Talk">talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Contributions">contr</span>]])</small> 04:40, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
+Neltharion revealed the depths of his betrayal at last. Now with the disc at his command he wanted all races and the demons to see his power and to bow to him. The Dragon Aspects attacked Neltharion in an attempt to take the Dragon Soul from him and to reason with him in hopes of determining the cause of his perfidy. Malygos' blue dragonflight surrounded Neltharion, but with a swing of the Dragon Soul, most of the blue dragons perished. The next swing of the Dragon Soul paralyzed all dragonflights and the Dragon Aspects in mid-air, rendering them unable to move or speak. Neltharion then struck out at the Dragon Aspects and their dragonflights, destroying many and scattering them far across the land.
-*Just to adress the issue, Sylvanas was called the only leader to not be her race. But what about Velen? BobNamataki 23:38, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
+Neltharion's betrayal struck a great blow to the Aspects, and their fear of being destroyed like the blue dragonflight kept them in seclusion. In desperation, the Aspects shielded themselves and hid to become undetected even by each other.
-There is no need to be an edit war here. The [[Forsaken]] are both a Faction and a Race, Forsaken being conscious undead. Their state is undead, and they have abandoned their living race in acceptance of their undeath. However, Lady Sylvanas is a High Elf in the state of Undeath. She is not Forsaken, she is an Undead Elf. The Forsaken following her are more accurately characterized as Forsaken Undead, and as I said before the Forsaken are simply conscious Undead with a solid will and control over their own minds. --[[User:Vaelkyrix|Vaelkyrix]]
+=== Rise of the Destroyer ===
-==Something notable maybe?==
+[[File:DeathwingLegends.jpg|thumb|Deathwing in ''Warcraft Legends'']]
-As of now, Sylvanas' new model is the only one in the game that shows her hair while wearing hood like that, think we should like make a note of that or not? I know it's stupid...but I notice the tiniest details sometimes--[[User:Saphiredragon89|Saphiredragon89]] ([[User talk:Saphiredragon89|talk]]) 04:55, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
-:It's a custom part of her model itself, not a separate piece of equipment, so I'd say no, not really. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 07:29, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
+The growing corruption in Neltharion's heart warped his body, as the angelic dragon began taking a more demonic appearance, similar to how [[Sargeras]] changed to a more demonic form after his corruption. Neltharion's body cracked open, revealing his molten heart, and magma and fire flowed off his chest. His eyes became aflame in red, demonstrating the magnitude of his power and the depths of his evil. Thus was Deathwing the Destroyer born, and the Dragon Soul was renamed the [[Demon Soul]].
-== Why can't we keep the picture? ==
+Deathwing returned to his lair beneath a mountain. His proximity to the Demon Soul was ripping his body apart, so the goblin smiths forged an armor of adamantium to serve as a vessel to contain Deathwing's raging powers and keep them in check.<ref>At [[BlizzCon 2009]] it was said that Deathwing's plate armor was made of [[iron]].</ref> Only the adamantium plates kept the power from destroying his body.
-[[Image:Sylvanas_model_comparition.jpg|thumb]]
-Well that, I have some reasons why to keep it:
-* It is an official model.
-* This was discussed on blizzcast.
-** It is an official picture taken from Blizzcast.
-* Other articles have their beta models: [[Deathwing]], [[Garona]], [[Valeera Sanguinar]].
-* So that people who didn't knew about the beta model have the oportunity to see it.
-* There are fanarts in the article, why an official picture has to be removed?
+The Old Gods had manipulated Deathwing into creating the Demon Soul, but their true intention was that the demons would inform their lord [[Sargeras]] of the great power of the weapon used against them. Sargeras would no doubt want the Demon Soul to power the gateway that would let him enter Azeroth. By using the Demon Soul to amplify the gateway, the three Old Gods hoped to escape their prison beneath the planet.
-Now tell me why it should left out of the article. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos|talk]]) 04:05, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
+However, [[Malfurion Stormrage]] used the [[Emerald Dream]] to find Deathwing's lair and stole the Demon Soul from the black dragon, who tried to pursue the thief in vain. [[Illidan]] and [[Varo'then]] captured Malfurion and took the Demon Soul back to Zin-Azshari, to [[Mannoroth the Destructor]], the general of the Legion's armies. It was used to power up the portal that would allow Sargeras to enter Azeroth.
-:For one thing, the original and current models are already in the article. If this is just you wanting the beta picture, I believe an individual one was already uploaded and should probably be placed in the gallery. We are not, as you seem to be  impling attempting to supress any knowledge of beta models. As to it being on BlizzCast, it isn't our job to document or post everything official coming out of Blizzard. The article has more than enough pictures anyway. --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 04:27, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
+Deathwing tried one last time to recover the disk, when it was being used by both Sargeras and the Old Gods, and actually succeeded in reaching it. Deathwing was almost destroyed in the attempt, but after he got the Demon Soul, an enormous surge of power made him lose his grip on the disk, and sent him spiraling far away from the portal.
-I believe the old model pictures should be removed individually and this one placed as an "Evolution of Sylvanas"--[[User:Gurluas|Gurluas]] ([[User talk:Gurluas|talk]]) 22:21, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
+After the Burning Legion was defeated, the Dragon Aspects sealed the Demon Soul with their energies, so that Deathwing should never be able to manipulate the Demon Soul. The artifact was hidden in an undisclosed location by Malfurion at the request of the Dragon Aspects. No longer in possession of the artifact and now unable to use it, Deathwing vowed to destroy most life and to wreak havoc on the planet. With his powers over earth, Neltharion caused volcanoes to rise along with the destruction already caused by the [[Well of Eternity]]'s implosion, sinking most of [[Kalimdor]] below the ocean.
-== What does she consider herself as? ==
-I'm just wondering, if she died when Blood Elves were High Evles, does she still consider herself a High Elf, or a Blood Elf? ~~Battm7~~
+When he succumbed, Neltharion ceased to exist, taking up a new name and a bitter purpose. He became Deathwing and his subjects were placed beneath the iron rule of a tyrant. Upon his irrevocable shift to evil, he turned against his destiny, and his mind unwound, causing suffering wherever he could.<ref name="S&L 93" /><ref name="MoM 29">''[[Manual of Monsters]]'', 29</ref> He himself chose Deathwing as his title, to better show his contempt and intentions for the lesser creatures around him.<ref name="DotD 135">''[[Day of the Dragon]]'', 135</ref>
-:She considers herself a Forsaken. --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 06:27, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
+Certain legends surrounding Deathwing claim that as the Earth-Warder, Deathwing shaped the land so the races would not go to war over land and resources. When he went mad, Deathwing lowered the mountains and allowed the races to intermingle. He ruined fertile land and destroyed other terrain so that the races would be forced to fight for food. Deathwing's efforts gave birth to an occupation that has remained with all races since then: war.<ref name="S&L 93"/><ref name="MoM 29"/>
-::Did she gave the forsaken their name? [[User:BobNamataki|BobNamataki]] ([[User talk:BobNamataki|talk]]) 23:19, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
+===Second War===
-:::Yes, in TFT she declared herself, Varimathras and their loyal troops as the Forsaken. She says: "The capital city is ours, but we are no longer part of the Scourge. From here on out, we shall be known as the Forsaken." in [[A New Power in Lordaeron]] [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos|talk]]) 01:27, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
+[[File:HeroDeathWingWC2.gif|thumb|Deathwing in Warcraft II.]]
-::Also, she was a High Elf but now considers herself a Forsaken. Even though the Blood Elves split, there are still High Elves. However due to her being the Ranger-General of Silvermoon, she would probably join the blood elves? BobNamataki 23:40, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
+[[File:Deathwingartwar2.JPG|thumb|Deathwing as depicted in the Warcraft II manual.]]
+[[File:Deathwingcinematicwar2.JPG|thumb|Deathwing in a Warcraft II cinematic.]]
+Ten thousand years later, during the [[Second War]], Deathwing discovered the Demon Soul's location. Although he couldn't wield its power because of the enchantment placed upon it by the Dragon Aspects, he realized that he could manipulate someone else to do so. Eventually, he found the perfect pawns: the orcs of the [[Dragonmaw clan]]. Through visions, Deathwing led the chieftain of the clan, [[Zuluhed|Zuluhed the Whacked]], to find the Demon Soul. Zuluhed in turn gave the Demon Soul to the warlock [[Nekros Skullcrusher]]. Nekros had no clue as to the power he was wielding, but was able to tap into enough of its power to capture and enslave [[Alexstrasza]] and her consorts in order to breed dragons for the Horde.
+[[Kryll]], a goblin servant of Deathwing, was sent to infiltrate the Dragonmaw clan and to serve Nekros Skullcrusher. Nekros ended up being manipulated by Kryll into doing Deathwing's bidding. The goblin served as an "advisor" to Nekros, whispering ideas to the orc in order to further Deathwing's aims.
-== Speculation ==
-I have heard the speculation on more than one occasion that Sylvanas was romantically involved with Nathanos at one point. At first I wrote it off, but the more I thought about it, the more sense it made. For one thing, they are both two almost inherently negative people who speak of each other in a very positive light. Furthermore, they seem to have an unswerving devotion to each other even in undeath. He even seems to worry about what she thinks about him in two separate quest texts. Now that I think about it, both of her sisters were romantically involved with human men at some point. [[User:Lckyluke372|Lckyluke372]] ([[User talk:Lckyluke372|talk]]) 22:17, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
+After [[Ner'zhul]] reopened the portal to Azeroth, his forces were approached by Deathwing. He offered his own children for assistance in exchange for safe passage to [[Draenor]]. They agreed and Deathwing helped them prepare for several key battles to steal two artifacts from the Alliance in order for Ner'zhul's newly reformed Horde to create new portals to other worlds. They then fled back to the [[Dark Portal]] to Draenor. Deathwing believed the world would be a relatively safe haven for his offspring and secreted away a cache of black dragon eggs there. While at his great mountain lair, he was attacked by the forces of the [[Alliance Expedition]], who destroyed several of his eggs.<ref>''[[Shadows & Light]]'', 57</ref> Deathwing was temporarily defeated but survived.
-I've had the same suspicions for the same reasons, though i came to it from the opposite starting point. I noticed Alleria's and Veressa's hook ups and started to wonder about Sylvanas when the one and only human ranger-lord (later champion of the forsaken) popped into my head. Kinda a special privallage ;). After looking at the quest texts i suspect the same.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 01:45, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
+Having escaped back to Azeroth, Deathwing ended up in a fight with some of the archmagi of [[Dalaran]] and feigned defeat, falling into the sea, where most of the council assumed at the time that he died.<ref>''Day of the Dragon'', 3</ref> He was not dead, however, and he took a human guise, pretending to be a heroic noble named [[Lord Prestor]] in an effort to be declared king of [[Alterac]], where he could manipulate the Alliance from within.<ref name="S&L 94">''Shadows & Light'', 94</ref>
-==Faith?==
-What is Sylvanas' attitude towards belief? Is she an advocate of the [[Cult of Forgotten Shadow]] or does she maintain a vestige of ranger druidism? May be worth mentioning in the article proper. Strength and Honour [[User:Horderoyale|Horderoyale]] ([[User talk:Horderoyale|talk]]) 07:38, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
+Soon after [[Ner'zhul]] recklessly opened multiple portals on Draenor, the magical stress tore the planet apart. The energies released in this catastrophe altered Deathwing's eggs, resulting in the [[Nether Drake|nether drakes]]: partially corporeal and partially ethereal dragons who possess the ability to shift between the astral and physical planes. Without Deathwing's guidance, these otherworldly nether drakes are just now finding their own way among the blasted ruins of [[Outland]].
-She is, by all accounts, non religious. She is noted as not subscribing to the Cult herself, but not taking any stance against it.[[User:Tweak the Whacked|Tweak the Whacked]] ([[User talk:Tweak the Whacked|talk]]) 07:32, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
+=== Lord Prestor and the battle of Grim Batol ===
-== Heartbreaker ==
+{{main|Lord Daval Prestor}}
-Is it me, or does the song "Heartbreaker" by Pat Benatar fit Sylvanas a lot? Lyrics [http://www.lyricsfreak.com/p/pat+benatar/heartbreaker_20104787.html here].
+Deathwing, posing as Lord Prestor, managed to make himself popular with [[King Terenas]] and the kings of the Alliance nations, and for a while had strong influence in the decisions of state. Using subtle magic, he was able to ensnare the minds of the human leaders and forced them to grant him the title of king of Alterac.<ref>''[[Lands of Conflict]]'', 34</ref> He also managed to trick King Terenas into giving him the hand of his daughter, [[Calia Menethil]]. His ultimate goal was to obtain a high level of power and influence within the Alliance, so he could destroy it from within.
-''Your love is like a tidal wave, spinning over my head'' Arthas' love for his army, and his creations
-''Drownin me in your promises, better left unsaid'' Would she not have preferred to not hear the promises Arthas made- that they would win and kill all that she loved?
-''Drownin me in your promises, better left unsaid'' I'm ignoring this line...
-''The invincible winner, and you know that you were born to be'' Arthas: Too high on his horse, right?
+Deathwing began his campaign against the Alliance by pitting the kingdoms of [[Lordaeron]], [[Stromgarde]], [[Gilneas]] and [[Kul Tiras]] against the [[Kirin Tor]] of [[Dalaran]] - who Deathwing considered threats to his new identity. The only one to ever fully uncover the truth about his identity was the dragon mage [[Krasus]], the mortal form of [[Korialstrasz]]. However, the Kirin Tor were able to discern that he was a powerful being hiding in a human form, and tried to devise a way to stop him.
-A: This is not a forum
-B: No
-[[User:Horderoyale|Horderoyale]] ([[User talk:Horderoyale|talk]]) 02:06, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
+The orcs of the Dragonmaw clan at [[Grim Batol]] kept their hold over Alexstrasza, even though the bulk of the Horde had already been defeated. Deathwing tried to frighten the Dragonmaw orcs into believing that the humans were attacking Grim Batol, so that they would move Alexstrasza and her eggs north to [[Dun Algaz]]; this left her eggs vulnerable. Deathwing hoped to steal Alextrasza's latest cache for himself to create a new dragonflight; though bearing the crimson scales of the Dragonqueen, they would be raised by Deathwing and carry his hatred for the mortal races.
-== Changed succession boxes a bit. ==
+Deathwing used his pawns to manipulate the mage [[Rhonin]], who had been sent to Grim Batol by Krasus, as part of a plan to free Alexstrasza. He saved the young mage several times, and helped him reach Grim Batol, hoping that his appearance inside the mountain fortress would further convince Nekros to flee from it. Though the orcs were convinced and began leaving Grim Batol, Deathwing's attack on the caravan, however, failed. Nekros tried to use the Demon Soul on Deathwing, but was unsuccessful due to the disk having no power over the black dragon. He then sent [[Tyranastrasz]], old and sick, to stop the Deathwing, but he failed and was killed.
-Hey, I just put down another succesion box here and one on Varimathras' page to show that he usurped her and she later retook the Undercity. Feel free to remove and/or edit. [[User:Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart|Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart]] ([[User talk:Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart|talk]]) 22:10, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
+At the behest of Krasus, the three remaining free aspects, [[Malygos]], [[Ysera]] and [[Nozdormu]], grudgingly decided to come out of their lairs and attack Deathwing. However, due to the power they had given to the Demon Soul, they were no match for the black leviathan. But Rhonin was able to steal the Demon Soul from Nekros, freeing Alexstrasza in the process. Furthermore, he discovered its weakness and destroyed it, releasing all the powers of the dragons who had given their power ten thousand years earlier. Deathwing was sent retreating with four very angry, fully-empowered [[Dragon Aspects]] on his heels, though he managed to elude them in the end. Lord Prestor vanished when Deathwing was forced to go into hiding, and Deathwing's influence over the nobles disappeared along with him.
-== What's her purpose? ==
+== In World of Warcraft ==
-I know she's the leader of the Forsaken and has helped free the minds of many undead. But in the bigger picture, won't she just become another villain? Her goal, other than killing the Lich King, is to do what he's attempting now. She's using the Horde's trust to further her goals, and leading up to the events of WotLK, convinced Thrall that the plague she was actually having her Royal Apothecary Society make was a 'cure' for their undeath. Unless having her eyes opened that she's still a fragile, little, naive, arrogant elf and had a change of heart from UC being taken by her most trusted companions and being proven weak... she'll just become the next Lich King, only less than half as powerful. What's gonna happen AFTER Wrath is done? Is she actually gonna try to make the Forsaken a cure? Or go back to trying to wipe out all life and dominate but just get slaughtered in the process? Thrall will continue making a place for the Orcs in the world of Azeroth. Cairne still has Magatha Grimtotem to worry about and leading his people. Vol'jin has yet to claim the Echo Isles back as the troll city. (Given that in-game, it's landmass would need to be increased to sustain one) --[[User:Mykael Mourningsun|Mykael Mourningsun]]
+{{wow-section}}
-: I was about to post this here. I agree with you, Sylvanas is a potencial future enemy for the Horde, she IS, indeed, a really dangerous creature, and like you said, I also believe she will be the "next" Lich Queen.
+[[Onyxia]] and [[Nefarian]], offspring of Deathwing and masters of the black dragonflight in the absence of their father, have tried to control the world. Onyxia followed in her father's footsteps by taking the Prestor name to attempt to manipulate the Alliance. She posed as a human counselor named Katrana Prestor for the new child King of [[Stormwind (kingdom)|Stormwind]]. Nefarian, meanwhile, posed as a human named Lord Victor Nefarius, Lord of the [[Blackrock Mountain]] in the [[Burning Steppes]]. He was able to enslave the [[Blackrock Clan]] orcs who served him on the top of the mountain, the [[Blackrock Spire]].
+===Wrath of the Lich King===
-:: The new Epilogue in the hardcover Ashbringer comic makes it pretty clear Sylvanas did not know a thing about the plague Putress was making. There really were just 2 factions within the Forsaken which were the ones actually loyal to Sylvanas and those loyal to Varimathras and the Burning Legion. We really do not know whether she actually wants to kill all life or if all the early quests even in vanilla WoW were actually just using her name for Varimthras' plan. Course a conversation like this doesn't really belong on a talk page. [[User:Leviathon|Leviathon]] ([[User talk:Leviathon|talk]]) 02:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
+{{wotlk-section}}
-:::Yet in Rise of the Lich King, she personally oversees Faranell testing the plague on both a human and a Forsaken criminal (easier to obtain than actual Scourge), and thinks, "At last, Arthas, you will pay for what you have done. '''The humans who spawned such as you shall be slaughtered'''." -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 03:21, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
+[[File:YoggNeltharion.jpg|thumb|Neltharion in his human form, as seen in [[Yogg-Saron]]'s mind chamber.]]
-::::Take the epilogue, and the Arthas novel, with a grain of salt each. Both seem contradict each other. Just be happy she's gracing Undercity with her presence.--[[User:TheUltimate|TheUltimate]] ([[User talk:TheUltimate|talk]]) 03:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
+Deathwing first made his debut in ''[[World of Warcraft]]'' as a cameo appearance during the battle against the [[Old God]] [[Yogg-Saron]], inside [[Ulduar (instance)|Ulduar]]. He appears in human form and under his original name of Neltharion, and is featured along with all the other [[Dragon Aspects|Aspects]] in a flashback that depicts the creation of the [[Demon Soul|Dragon Soul]], ten thousand years earlier.
-:::::I don't think Sylvanas will be the next Lich King,but her goals are different from the Horde...[[User:Malygos Helper|Malygos Helper]] ([[User talk:Malygos Helper|talk]]) 10:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
-What about this? [[Black Iron Golem]]. [[User:Pudim17|Pudim17]] ([[User talk:Pudim17|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Pudim17|contr]]) 12:25, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
+This was Deathwing's first official appearance in a Warcraft game since ''[[Warcraft II: Beyond the Dark Portal]]''.
-:Take it to the forums, please.--[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 13:26, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
+=== Cataclysm ===
-== Rise of the Lich King information ==
+{{cata-section}}
-Ok, Rise of the lich king shows how dark Sylvanas is...she kills children, openly expresses her desire to kill everything alive, and shows her love for the devasting effect of the New Plague *which kills everything of coarse*. and she shows her affiliation with the Royal Apothecary Society by overseeing creation of the New Plague alongside them.
+[[File:Deathwing Cataclysm 3.jpg|thumb|left|Deathwing as depicted on [http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/cataclysm Cataclysm Official Website]]]
+[[File:Deathwing001.jpg|thumb|Deathwing in his current in-game human form.]]
+[[File:Deathwing human art.jpg|thumb|Artwork of Deathwing in his human form.]]
+''[[World of Warcraft: Cataclysm|Cataclysm]]'' marked the return of Deathwing and his wrath constituted a world-changing event known as the [[Shattering]]. He plays a part in a number of quests as well as the achievement [[Stood in the Fire]] and will also be the final boss encounter of the expansion. He is the last of the [[Dragon Aspects]] to appear in dragon form in the game, and will be the second one that can be confronted by [[raid]]s (the first being [[Malygos]]).
-This information shows great detail into her character, motives and connection with the RAS and new plague and should be in this article. I would add it but I have no idea where to add it and I rather not move things around. So perheps someone with more experience  and has read the novels would know what to do.
+==== Deepholm ====
-On a personal level, I just want to say I hope these Rise of the Lich King things can be put on because. I'm tired of people saying "Sylvanas is Good". [[User:Blue Ranger|Blue Ranger]] ([[User talk:Blue Ranger|talk]]) 22:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
+Hidden away inside the [[Temple of Earth]] is the [[Stonecore]], locked in the heart of [[Deepholm]]. It was here inside this mysterious domain that the corrupted Dragon Aspect Deathwing waited, recovering from the wounds of his last battle against the forces of [[Azeroth (world)|Azeroth]]. As he bided his time until he could reforge the world in molten fire, the [[Twilight's Hammer clan|Twilight's Hammer]] toiled over him, forging a new armor of [[elementium]] plates that were then hammered to the Dragon Aspect's skin to hold his tormented body together.<ref name="cataclysmsite">{{ref web|url = http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/cataclysm/index.html |title = An ancient evil lies dormant within Deepholm, the domain of earth in the Elemental Plane. |accessdate = 2009-08-25|author = [[Blizzard Entertainment]]|work = ''World of Warcraft: Cataclysm |language = English}}</ref><ref>http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/cataclysm/features/stonecore.html</ref>
-:I'm not entirely sure she wants to kill ALL the living. And remember, she did lament what would happen if it fell into the wrong hands, so she clearly recognized that there were more sinister possibilities. What happened at the Wrathgate, for instance, was probably not what she was intending. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 03:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
+====Awakening====
-I just feel we should show more of the connection between Sylvanas, New Plague and the RAS *Or at least show what she does and thinks in the novel*.
+In recent years, the whisperings of the [[Old Gods]] have gotten worse; the Old Ones' dread power steadily increased as [[C'Thun]] and [[Yogg-Saron]] stirred from their ancient slumbers, and the growing influence of the Old Gods has magnified Deathwing's power ten-fold. From within his lair in the elemental plane of [[Deepholm]], Deathwing has awoken from his slumber and literally erupted into the world. His explosion into Azeroth was so powerful that it tore a rift between the Elemental Plane and Azeroth and caused earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, and floods, reshaping the very face of the world. No region has remained untouched in the wake of the devastating [[Shattering]].
+====Random attacks====
-Currently a person could read these articles and think 'Sylvanas had nothing to do with the New Plague really" but in reality she ordered it to be made and formed the RAS herself and even oversees experiments on races with them *which isn't in the articles from what I can tell*. And though she may not wanna use it on EVERYTHING, we should stress she wants to kill the Scourge and the Humans at least. [[User:Blue Ranger|Blue Ranger]] ([[User talk:Blue Ranger|talk]]) 06:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
+Following his explosive escape from Deepholm, Deathwing cast a deadly shadow over the people of Azeroth. Deathwing randomly chooses zones to attack; a blackened sky is the only warning before every living creature caught in his approach is consumed by his terrible fire and killed. Dying in this manner also rewards the {{achievementlong|Stood in the Fire}} achievement. Deathwing will continue strafing random zones "until his ruinous reign is brought to an end."
+====The Badlands====
-:All i'm going to say is proceed with caution (whoever does it, i'm going to pass). I think it's a loaded subject and very easy to get over passionate about and have the truth be presented n a less than neutral light. Just be sure that such information goes in her biography section. Keep it seperate from the Battle of the Undercity piece in the WoW section. Relation between the two at this point is still speculative, regardless of peoples personal opinions on the matter.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 09:14, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
+The main storyline quest of the [[Badlands]] in Cataclysm is centered around [[Rheastrasza]] and her research of the black dragonflight and of a way of purifying them. She has captured the black dragon, [[Nyxondra]], and forces her to lay eggs for the experiments. She feels pity for the black dragon, but knows it is for the greater good. After succeeding in creating a purified black dragon egg, she constantly moves around to avoid being found by agents of the black dragonflight, who want to destroy the egg. In the quest {{questlong|Neutral|47|Rheastrasza's Gift}}, she is killed  by Deathwing, who was after the egg. The egg he destroyed, however, was not the purified one, but Rheastrasza's own egg.
+There is also a quest chain involving [[Theldurin the Lost]] and his friends telling rather tall tales about how each of them defeated Deathwing.<ref>[[Quest:The Day that Deathwing Came]]</ref><ref>[[Quest:The Day that Deathwing Came: The Real Story]]</ref><ref>[[Quest:The Day that Deathwing Came: What Really Happened]]</ref>
-::Sylvanas isn't bad,nor she is good:she never knew what Putress did until the betrayal.And,remember,that she hates demons,so she will never fight at the same side of the Burning Legion,that entered in Undercity.It is right that she is making a new  plague,but it doesn't proof that she wants to be such evil as the Lich King.Her goals are always said by her and by the Forsaken:She wants to have her veangance upon the Lich King,and,once it is done,give a place in the world to the Forsaken.That she likes to kill every creature is normal as she is now an undead.[[User:Malygos Helper|Malygos Helper]] ([[User talk:Malygos Helper|talk]]) 11:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
+====Mount Hyjal====
-:::Nipping this in the bud. This isn't the place for this discussion, this is for discussing changes to the article. Take it to the forums.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 13:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
+At the beginning of the storyline, Deathwing summons the Firelord, [[Ragnaros]] along with his fire elemental servants into the world of Azeroth, aided by his mortal followers, the [[Twilight's Hammer clan]] with the ultimate goal of destroying [[Nordrassil]].
+====Uldum====
-::::Warthok, with respect. this IS about changing and adding new information to the article. I'm just not sure where or how to add this properly from the novel. Perheps it should be added below Wrath of the Lich King but before Battles for Undercity. My point of this section is: Rise of the Lich King novel went into good detail into her character and story connection with the Forsaken and RAS. And should somehow be written into this article or at least have it's own section in the article. I KNOW I shouldn't write or add anything about Sylvanas, because I am a bit biased towards her. But someone else who can keep it neutrel can. [[User:Blue Ranger|Blue Ranger]] ([[User talk:Blue Ranger|talk]]) 17:36, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
+During the Uldum storyline it is revealed that Deathwing enlisted the aid of [[Al'Akir]] and his air elemental minions to do his bidding. The [[Tol'vir]], native residents of Uldum have joined his ranks as well, seduced by the promises of power and removal of the [[Curse of Flesh]]. He also sent his mortal minions, led by [[Commander Schnottz]] to gain control of the [[Maker's Terrace]] and reconfigure it into a weapon of mass destruction.
+====The Twilight Highlands====
-:::::Blue...that was in response to Malygos helper. Your post was about editing the article, that's great. Malygos was getting into the subject itself. That's why it was indented after his post. See [[WoWWiki:Talk_page_guidelines#Formatting]] Use : to indent your responses. I fixed yours accordingly.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 23:51, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
+In [[Twilight Highlands]] the Horde fleet is ambushed, undefended, by Deathwing and his twilight drakes. Though [[Garrosh]] is personally able to fend one such drake off, his ship itself suffers massive damage and falls into the ocean below. The remainder of the fleet suffers a similar fate, crashing down into the sea.
+Deathwing is later seen in the Twilight highlands quest chain. After beating back his Twilight dragon minions, the player along with [[Alexstrasza]] and her son [[Calen]], use a sanctified [[circle of life]] to lure Deathwing to their location so Alexstrasza could destroy him once and for all. The plan quickly falls apart as Deathwing proves to be more powerful then they realize. After a quick dialogue, Deathwing and Alexstrasza face each other above [[Grim Batol]], shadowing the events of Day of the Dragon.<ref>[[Quest:Enter the Dragon Queen]]</ref>
-Character traits aside, there are some interesting discrepancies that the novel presents about her form. On pages 233-234, Arthas kills her and raises her much the same as in Warcraft III (No altar), and her body is loaded/flung onto a meat wagon (But not fired from it). Later, on pages 273-274, it is revealed Arthas locked her body in an iron coffin to torment her, and she did not get it back until right before the "[[Sylvanas' Farewell]]" interlude (How she gets it is not stated). Her body is oddly (The novel uses that word) said to have no wounds (and possibly little-to-no rot).--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 22:58, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
+After a long battle, Alexstrasza and Deathwing spiral out of sight, with Deathwing spitting a stream of magma. Alexstrasza, severely wounded, lands near the entrance and tells the player, along with Calen, that Deathwing was dead. Soon after however, Deathwing rises above the hillside, wounded, but not nearly as bad as Alexstrasza. The player then flees with the near-dead Alexstrasza as Calen distracts Deathwing long enough for them to escape. Deathwing then leaves as, according to Calen, he was wounded more then he let on and needed time to heal. <ref>[[Quest:Battle of Life and Death]]</ref>
-: From what I remember  (I've forgotten parts of the novel already?)  that part was pretty ambiguous.  Remember that she did "black out", and Golden might have deliberately excluded descriptions of where Sylvanas came back because she knows we like talking about stuff like that.  --[[User:Super Bhaal|Super Bhaal]] ([[User talk:Super Bhaal|talk]]) 03:30, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
+====Flight of the Blue====
-== New Voice Actor? ==
+Following the death of [[Malygos]], the [[Blue Dragonflight]] are torn between two possible new leaders - [[Kalecgos]], and [[Arygos]]. Ultimately, it is revealed that Arygos has entered into an alliance with the Blue Dragonflight's original despoiler, Deathwing, in order to become the new Aspect of Magic - and Deathwing, though eager to see him overthrow Kaelcgos, warns him not to repeat the mistakes of his father.
+Their plot ends in failure, however, as [[Tarecgosa]] sacrifices herself to save Kalecgos from Arygos' assault, and Arygos flees [[Coldarra]] - swearing that Neltharion will destroy them all.
-It seems Sylvanas has even been given a new Voice actor or at had her lines re-recoreded. I stopped by her room and clicked on her, and I was surprised to find a diffrent voice then normal. [[User:Lego3400|Lego3400]] ([[User talk:Lego3400|talk]]) 06:30, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
+== Personality ==
-:: Is Sylvanas still voiced by [[Piera Coppola]] even after the [[Patch 3.2.0]]? [[User:TherasTaneel|TherasTaneel]] ([[User talk:TherasTaneel|talk]]) 11:57, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
+[[File:Deathwing Cataclysm.jpg|thumb|Deathwing]]
-I doubt it, since this voice actor was of a much lower quality.--[[User:WoWWiki-Odolwa|WoWWiki-Odolwa]] ([[User talk:WoWWiki-Odolwa|talk]]) 16:32, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
+While Deathwing was once a benevolent entity, he is now completely evil. He hates all mortal races, and wishes to kill them all. He's also utterly insane, most notably shown when he had the Demon Soul. Deathwing was attached to it, such that even when warned by the goblin alchemists who made his first armor that the Demon Soul's energies would kill him if he kept it with him too long, it wasn't enough for him to let go of it, and was only willing to part with, temporarily, when reminded that it would likely be stolen from him if he was dead.
+In spite of his insanity, Deathwing does display a degree of cunning. Although he hates mortals, he is apparently willing to tolerate them if it can prove of any help in his plans, though inevitably he will do away with them when they have outlived their usefulness.
-: Its definately different, and I totally agree that the new voice actor has nothing on [[Piera Coppola]]. I also thought Varimathras sounded different. Did anyone else notice? [[User:Scarletsorcerer|Scarletsorcerer]] ([[User talk:Scarletsorcerer|talk]]) 16:41, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
-::[[Varimathras]] have sounded different ever since they've changed his model. But Anyway, so all agree it is not Piera Coppola any more, then who is it? [[User:TherasTaneel|TherasTaneel]] ([[User talk:TherasTaneel|talk]]) 18:57, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
+Despite Deathwing's overall loathing of mortals, he has respect for, and perhaps even a fear of, [[Medivh]], stating in ''Day of the Dragon'', that he would never willingly face Medivh in combat, though this might have technically been fear of the portion of Sargeras that was locked inside Medivh.
-==Hallow's end==
-The Dark Lady minimum HP=2,8M? Her minimum HP is 730k, as Hallow's end uses her old model at the wickerman, she there also has old stats, i'm going to put this in the article if you don't mind (you're free to delete it)[[User:Malygos Helper|Malygos Helper]] ([[User talk:Malygos Helper|talk]]) 10:47, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
+==Description==
-== Battle for the Undercity quotes ==
+:''The massive monstrosity before you rises up like a black, crag-covered mountain of scales and hide. The head is a spade-like terror spiked with cruel red eyes that shine with a frightening malevolence. Rivulets of lava and magma are visible beneath the great wyrm’s scorched scales.''<ref name="S&L 93">''[[Shadows & Light]]'', 93</ref>
+==Combat==
-Could an enterprising soul please add the things she says during the Battle for the Undercity to her quotes list? I'd do it myself but I'm unsure where to find them and after hearing them once can't remember them exactly. IMO she says some very cool stuff during her fights/conversations. [[User:Metalmunki|Metalmunki]] ([[User talk:Metalmunki|talk]]) 00:29, November 7, 2009 (UTC)
+Deathwing is a terrifying opponent who is as cruel as he is vicious. He cares nothing for honor or nobility, striking with whatever weapons and cunning he has at his disposal, reveling in causing earthquakes and ripping open volcanic fissures. He often sends his minions into combat while he surveys the battlefield, striking at whatever weaknesses he discovers.<ref name="S&L 93"/>
+==Names and titles==
+[[File:Daval Prestor.jpg|thumb|Lord Daval Prestor II in the ''World of Warcraft'' Beta — likely depicting a son. He was replaced by [[Onyxia]].]]
+He is usually referred to as "Deathwing" by the majority of beings. Only a few mages, night elves and dragons still call him "Neltharion". However, over the years Deathwing has been given many names, including, but not limited to:
+*Neltharion the Earth-Warder
+*Neltharion the Betrayer
+*Deathwing the Black
+*Deathwing the Destroyer
+*Deathwing the Worldbreaker
+*Xaxas (used by the [[night elves]]; "chaos", "fury" or "elemental fury" in [[Darnassian]]).<ref>''Day of the Dragon'', 136</ref>
+*Blood's Shadow (used by the [[orcs]])<ref>''[[The Well of Eternity]]'', 101</ref>
+*Lord Daval Prestor/King Prestor the First, ruler of Alterac.<ref>''Day of the Dragon'', 87</ref> (human disguise)
+*The Black Scourge (used by the other [[Dragon Aspects]])
+*The Dark One<ref name="DotD 135"/>
+*Death Aspect/Aspect of Death
+*Blackwing Greatfather (used by the [[gronn]])
+*The Unmaker of Worlds {{Cata-inline}}
+==Memorable quotes==
-== Why was my removal of something removed? ==
+===War of Ancient Trilogy===
-The reason I removed those 1 and a half paragraphs was because apon reading it, it seamed like a load of rubbish with the mention of "Uther's Ghost". I don't care if it was a quest chain or something, people should really take concideration on what they ad.--[[User:The last Alterac|The last Alterac]] ([[User talk:The last Alterac|talk]]) 02:06, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
+*"[[Eredar|You]] will learn to show respect. You are in the presence of my glorious self, I, Neltharion. I am the Earth-Warder. You will treat me with the reverence I deserve."
-:So you're basically saying that you don't care if you removed official information because it sounds like bullshit to you? That's seriously not the right way to go about doing things. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 02:09, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
+*"You know me... but I do not know [[Korialstrasz|you]]. You would speak against me... make the others see me as you do... you would have them distrust their comrade of old... their brother... You will not be allowed to spread any of your malicious falsehoods..."
+*"For it to be as it must, yes." ''(responding to Ysera question about the Dragon Soul's glow)''
+*"It is done! All that which must be given has been given, I now seal the [[Dragon Soul]] forever!"
+*"Yes, and you will press [[Nozdormu|him]] ''time'' and ''time'' again with it, will you not?" ''(in a discussion about whether Nozdormu should be granted more time for his choirs or not)''
+*"No! I will say what will be done from here on! I, not you, Alexstrasza! Be silent!"
+*"After I have slain all of you, I shall take ''your'' eggs, Alexstrasza, and create my perfect world!"
+===Beyond the Dark Portal===
-It didn't sound official at all, in fact; it sounded superficial.--[[User:The last Alterac|The last Alterac]] ([[User talk:The last Alterac|talk]]) 02:24, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
+*"''My children!'' My children, murdered! Come forward, disgusting, cowardly wretches, murderers of defenseless infants, and know torment and madness before I devour you whole! Who will be the first to be blasted to ashes?" ''(yelling at the gronn)''
-:As the guy who wrote said "bullshit", I must ask where you've been the last two months. What was written was essentially what happened. Sylvanas encounters Uther's ghost. Uther warns her the Lich King's on his way, that he can only be destroyed at the Frozen Throne, so on and so forth. Basically a mirror of what he said to Jaina - it's the same event, the same general story (the Lich King is coming, you can't beat him here, you gotta kill him at the Frozen Throne), just a different listener.
+*"Puny mortals! I have had many names throughout history, all of them spoken with dread: Neltharion, Xaxas, and many more. Yet you shall know me best as Deathwing, for so I am! I am the bane of life, the darkness within history, the lord of death, the master of destruction. And I tell you now, and so it is true, that this world is ''mine''!"
+*"You may have won this battle, I give you that. But hear this, and hear it well. ''I have seen you, [[Khadgar|mage]].''"
+===Day of the Dragon===
-:And before you decide to insult me, as you have with others in the past, know this: I make sure to check my sources before writing such things. My source, in this case, is playing as a Horde character in the Halls of Reflection on several different occasions, both live and in the PTR. The information I added here was based on the actual dialogue between Uther and Sylvanas. Check [[Quest:Frostmourne (Horde)]] - as in most cases with in-game dialogue events linked to quests, a full transcript of the dialogue is there. I added this quest and dialogue, based on screenshots I took in the PTR, back in November, and (having reliably checked - with two different Horde characters) it has not changed since then.
+*"I am power incarnate! [[Alexstrasza|You]] are nothing but shadows of the past!"
+*"Have [[Alexstrasza|you]] not been through enough? Will you continue to fight what you cannot defeat?"
+*"What are they to me - or, for that matter, even [[Alexstrasza|you]]? I will never understand that!"
+*'''Deathwing:''' I have faced the [[Nozdormu|ravages of time]], the [[Ysera|curse of nightmares]], and the [[Malygos|mists of sorcery]], thanks to the others! What weapons do [[Alexstrasza|you]] bring?<br />'''Alexstrasza:''' Life... hope... and what they bring with them...<br />'''Deathwing:''' Then you're as good as dead already!
+===Night of the Dragon===
-:Just because you can't be bothered to read it does not disprove it. --[[User:Joshmaul|Joshmaul]] ([[User talk:Joshmaul|talk]]) 03:15, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
+*"The Day of The Dragon is over, its night is almost upon [[Azeroth (world)|Azeroth]]...and after the night has swept away the old fights...there shall come new dawn... the dawn of my new world..."
+=== Cataclysm Cinematic ===
-:Alterac wasn't that you who said he would never edit again and then asked to be banned? Yea that was good, you should have stuck with that. What are you trying to say with "I don't care if it was a quest chain or something, people should really take concideration on what they ad."??? What alternative universe are you living in that you think official information wouldn't or shouldn't be added?{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 04:30, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
+Deathwing narrates the Cataclysm cinematic as his armor is reforged in Deepholm. As it nears completion, various areas of Azeroth began to tremble, until Deathwing explodes from Deepholm causing the [[Cataclysm (event)|Shattering]]. Deathwing flies around the world to [[Stormwind City]] where the cinematic ends.
+:''Pain... Agony.... My hatred burns through the cavernous deeps. The world heaves with my torment. Its wretched kingdoms quake beneath my rage... But at last... The whole of Azeroth will break... ...And all will burn beneath the shadow of my wings...''
-Okay, lets go ahead and end this conversation before it gets out of hand. {{User:Coobra/Sig4}} 06:15, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
+===Cataclysm===
-To be honest, it was Zeratuel's arguament that persuaded me the most. The rest of you guys were merely redundant.
+*{{text|yell|End? Me? Life-Binder, you think life is yours to take away? Life is weak! Mortal! Fleeting! Fragile! Death is final, death is eternal, death... is my realm. Look upon me, and you see death incarnate: The Unmaker of Worlds!}}
-My only defence is; Suspencion of disbelief has failed me, but now for me to rant: How would you guys like it if I edited Muradin's article so it no longer says he died because we never heard "Our hero has fallen", huh huh? You would of all called me blinking mad.--[[User:The last Alterac|The last Alterac]] ([[User talk:The last Alterac|talk]]) 06:51, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
+*{{text|yell|The sun has set on this mortal world, fools. Make peace with your end, for the Hour of Twilight falls!}}
-As for  Warthok's comment: this is a wiki, and one of the things wikis must do is preform NPOV. Now this wiki is clearly biased in that only works liscensed by Blizzard are considered canon. --[[User:The last Alterac|The last Alterac]] ([[User talk:The last Alterac|talk]]) 06:57, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
+== Lord of the Clans ==
-:I'd counter that, but i don't think anyone can make a better case against yourself than that last comment you just made did. Do you honestly not understand how fundamentaly wrong and misguided your thinking is, npov or not?{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 07:00, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
+[[File:Deathwing2.jpg|thumb|Thrall's encounter with Deathwing.]]
+During the cancelled ''[[Warcraft Adventures: Lord of the Clans]]'' game, [[Thrall]] would have met with Deathwing in order to match wits.<ref>{{ref web |url= http://www.gamespot.com/features/pcgraveyard/p3_01.html |title = Warcraft Adventures |accessdate = 2007-08-15 |author= Bill Roper |work = PC Gaming Graveyard |publisher = GameSpot |pages = 3}}</ref> Whether this is still part of the lore remains to be seen, but it seems unlikely given that no source mentions a meeting of the two and other lore sources since have contradicted the possibility. The fact that Deathwing was seen smoking a hookah was blamed on a "miscommunication".{{fact}}
+== Trivia ==
-That. Is. Enough. It's pretty obvious that we're keeping the passage, so if you two want to continue this, do it on usertalk. Or if you'd like to discuss WoWWiki's functions, the forums. The matter of changes to this article is closed.--[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 14:05, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
+* Deathwing is featured in the Cataclysm login screen, standing atop two Stormwind towers.
+* At BlizzCon 2010, the cinematic artists said that they designed Deathwing with the idea that he had a 1,200 foot wingspan in mind.
+* The companion pet [[Lil' Deathwing]] is the special companion given to those that own the [[Collector's Edition]] of the [[Cataclysm]] expansion.
+* Deathwing is pictured on the [[Darkmoon Card: Death]].
+* Deathwing can be recognized by his mandible, which resembles that of Zilla of the 1998 movie ''Godzilla'', and the colossal blade on the end of his gigantic tail.
+* His voice resembles that of Black Doom from the 2005 SEGA game, ''Shadow the Hedgehog''.
+* Deathwing has the highest health in the game currently, with 858,000,000 HP.
+==Videos==
-I agree with Ragestorm, about the obviousability of the keeping of the paragraphs. And no I do understand how fundermently wrong and misguided my view is, and can't you take a joke, seriously? As that's what my comment of the NPOV is clearly is.--[[User:The last Alterac|The last Alterac]] ([[User talk:The last Alterac|talk]]) 12:00, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
+{| class="darktable" style="text-align:center; float:left;"
+! Cataclysm Intro Cinematic !! Deathwing fly over the world
+|-
+| <youtube>Wq4Y7ztznKc</youtube> || <youtube>1CLSnc-vB0U</youtube>
+|-
+! Deathwing vs Alexstrasza in Grim Batol !! Deathwing vs Alexstrasza in Grim Batol, take two
+|-
+| <youtube>NVeB931rR9s</youtube> || <youtube>VktesjvGc9o</youtube>
+|}
+{{clr}}
+==Gallery==
-== Post-Death of the Lich King  ==
+<gallery orientation="none" captionalign="left">
-Frostmourne contained the souls of those it killed, and Sylvanas was raised as a Banshee by the Lich King, her soul contained within Frostmourne. The Lich King has been killed and Frostmourne has been destroyed. What happens to her soul, and, more importantly, what happens to '''''her''''', now that her soul has been freed?
+File:Magazine2CoverArtwork.jpg|Artwork of Alexstraza and Deathwing locked in combat.
-[[User:Dashade|<font color="firebrick">'''Ðash'''</font>]] †<small>God is dead</small>† <sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[Dashade|Home]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup><sub><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User_Talk:Dashade|talk]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sub> 06:07, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
+File:Deathwing Humanoid Form.jpg|Deathwing's Humanoid form, for a quest in the Badlands.
+File:Deathwing Mount Hyjal.jpg|Mount Hyjal
+File:DWusingSF.jpg|Deathwing uses the [[Shadowflame]].
+File:Garrosh and Varian fighting Deathwing.jpg|Garrosh and Varian fighting Deathwing in his human form.
+File:Deathwing head concept art.jpg|Concept art
+File:Deathwing head concept art2.jpg|Concept art
+File:Cataclysm Login No text.jpg|In the Cataclysm login-screen.
+File:It'sABusyDayForBattleNet.PNG|In the cinematic, used as background on [[Battle.net]] during the expansion's release to normal servers.
+</gallery>
+==See also==
+*[[Warcraft II Units#Deathwing|Deathwing's Warcraft II statistics]]
+*[[Deathwing timeline issue]]
+== References ==
-Consdiering being a Banshee requires your soul (As they are a type of ghost) she was never trapped in Frostmorne [[User:Lego3400|Lego3400]] ([[User talk:Lego3400|talk]]) 16:50, July 6, 2010 (UTC)
+{{reflist|2}}
+==External links==
-== Sylvanas & the Dark Lady ==
+<!-- Read http://www.wowpedia.org/Wowpedia:External_links before posting your links here.
-OK so i have seen it stated that Sylvanas is also known as the Dark Lady however in the Forge of Souls, after Sylvanas finishes her speech she says "Dark Lady watch over you." It seems strange for her to say that if she truly is the Dark Lady but could the Dark lady actually be more of a deity rather than her own title or does anybody know? [[User:Solfaris|Kupo!]] ([[User talk:Solfaris|talk]]) 14:54, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
+Links that do not conform to the rules will be DELETED.
+Repeat violations may result in a BAN.
+Have a nice day. :) -->
+{{Succession|None|'''[[Black dragonflight|Patriarch of the black dragonflight]]'''|[[Nefarian]]}}
-:In TFT, it's pretty obvious they're referring to Sylvanas herself. The majority of Warcraft's dark characters are male, and I doubt she was referring to Azshara. It's probably an error on the part of whoever wrote that particular text. --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 15:16, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
+{{Succession|{{NPC||Nefarian}}|'''[[Black dragonflight|Patriarch of the black dragonflight]]'''|Incubent}}
+{{Succession|None|'''[[Black dragonflight|Ruler of the black dragonflight]]'''|[[Nefarian]] and [[Onyxia]]}}
+{{Succession|{{NPC||Sintharia}}|'''[[Black dragonflight|Ruler of the black dragonflight]]'''|Incumbent}}
+{{Succession|[[Nekros Skullcrusher]]|'''[[Grim Batol|Ruler of Grim Batol]]'''|Incumbent}}
+{{Dragonflightfooter|Black Dragonflight}}
-::''"Dark Lady watches over your"'' seems to be a common farewell sentence among the Forsaken, obviously refering Sylvanas. As to why does she speak of herself on the third person I have no idea...
+{{Old Gods}}
-::{{User:A'noob/sig}} 15:25, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
+{{Main characters}}
+[[Category:Black dragons]]
-:::Maybe she is suffering from megalomania :P  [[User:Aedror42|Aedror42]] ([[User talk:Aedror42|talk]]) 15:50, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
+[[Category:Game characters]]
+[[Category:Major characters]]
+[[Category:Unique models]]
+[[Category:Unique voices]]
+[[Category:Warcraft II units]]
+[[Category:Warcraft: Day of the Dragon characters]]
+[[Category:Warcraft: War of the Ancients Trilogy characters]]
+[[Category:World of Warcraft: Beyond the Dark Portal characters]]
+[[Category:World of Warcraft: Night of the Dragon characters]]
+[[Category:Shadows & Light]]
+[[Category:Monster Guide]]
+[[Category:Lands of Conflict]]
+[[Category:Warcraft Adventures]]
+[[Category:Featured Articles]]
+[[es:Alamuerte]]
-::::That wouldn't be entirely surprising given the circumstances (although that makes her even more like Kerrigan), though they haven't set it up. --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 15:59, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
+[[fr:Aile de mort]]
+[[nl:Deathwing]]
-== Potential Death? ==
+[[ru:Смертокрыл]]
-After reading the conversation between her and Garrosh about the Forsaken gaining Val'kyr, Garrosh stated :"Remember, Sylvanas, eventually we all have to stand before our maker and face judgment. Your day may come sooner than others..." AFTER stationing High Warlord Cromush to "guard" her. Pretty sure this is going to mean that Garrosh will take Sylvanas out if she tries anything, and since she's still using the New Plaugue even after Garrosh told her not to( not sure if Garrosh knows, but he'll find out eventually), I think we are going to see a new Forsaken leader. And with so many Kor'kron already stationed there, an overthrow wouldn't be to hard.
-:Eh, I wouldn't be so sure about that.  The Forsaken aren't like other races, their leader can't just be replaced.  Sylvanas is the reason most of them are no longer Scourge.  Just look at the Horde in general.  From what we've seen, Thrall voluntarily makes Garrosh warchief, and that in itself incites chaos - **SPOILER** the death of Cairne Bloodhoof and the expulsion of the Trolls from Orgrimmar (and damn near their withdrawl from the Horde).  With the strength of the Plague, the Val'kyr, and all the Forsaken adventurers across the world, it would be much easier for Sylvanas to overthrow the Kor'kron within the Undercity.  As to Garrosh actually killing her?  Not only would that incite chaos within the Undercity (remember, she means a lot to the Forsaken), but it would cost Garrosh 1/5 of the Horde.  I think he's just vocalizing what most people think - there's not much love for the Forsaken among the living races - to many they're creepy, sneaky, and disturbing, and I'm sure lots of people would be thrilled if they went away, but they are an important asset to the Horde.  Garrosh doesn't have the forces to maintain control in Kalimdor ''and'' Lordaeron.  If Garrosh "removed" her, the Forsaken would most likely rebel against the Horde, and then there would be war on three fronts.  Garrosh, while hot-headed, is smart, and would not want that. [[User:Vund223|Vund223]] ([[User talk:Vund223|talk]]) 20:15, July 9, 2010 (UTC)