Talk: Thrall

Snowsong?

Why is Snowsong, Thrall's frost wolf mount, black? This had to have been a conscious decision in WarCraft 3, as regular Far Seer's mounts are white. So... uh..

Anyone?

--Wasted 02:33, 29 June 2006 (EDT)

It's simply never been explained. Perhaps female wolves of that species turn black after whelping. It's possible that it isn't the original Snowsong, but a black-furred namesake. More likely Blizzard decided that Thrall would look more impressive on a black wolf and hoped no one would notice that Snowsong was supposed to be white. --Ragestorm 06:19, 29 June 2006 (EDT)

Thrall's HP

Does anyone know how much HP Thrall has in WoW? Thanks.--StormtalonX

Wow wow wow Ragestorm. Isn't Thrall killable ingame ?--K ) (talk) 04:19, 19 November 2006 (EST)

By the same token that Sylvanas or Tyrande or the other racial leaders are: in PvP realms, and not as part of the plot. --Ragestorm 10:41, 19 November 2006 (EST)

Ingame joke ?

Thrall is indeed ... the Shaman King !--K ) (talk) 10:00, 30 September 2006 (EDT)

???????--Ragestorm 21:47, 30 September 2006 (EDT)

Thrall is the Warchief of the Horde, let's say he's the King. And he's a Shaman. Therefore he's the Shaman King.--K ) (talk) 03:46, 1 October 2006 (EDT)

And Blizzard would put in a joke related to a slightly obscure anime because...?--Ragestorm 22:22, 1 October 2006 (EDT)

Slightly obscure ? Man, it's one of the mos popular mangas in the world ! I totally see why !--K ) (talk) 04:28, 2 October 2006 (EDT)

Anime is evil and corrupting, so blizzard would never put a reference to it in their games. Their sense of humor isn't that sick... is it?--Sandwichman2448 20:39, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

LOL... Thrall the Shaman King... well, he DID summon the spirit of fire in... is it cycle of hatred i forgot which novel. --Invin Dranoel 06:39, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

Thrall and Jaina comments

It's pure speculation, so keep it that way. There's no point adding a section about whether they get married because it's irrelevant and going widly into the realm of 'ooh, what if this happened' -- Kirkburn (talk) 15:52, 3 October 2006 (EDT)

White Punch Card : I had seen it before but I think it's a joke. However we can keep it here.--K ) (talk) 09:19, 10 October 2006 (EDT)

That's a clever in-joke. The marriage thing was speculation, and rancid speculation at that- though I sense a good plot for fanfiction. --Ragestorm 18:57, 10 October 2006 (EDT)

NEVER! JAINA IS MINE!!! Imagine what the guys in Kul Tiras would do if they actually get married! It would be the start of the FOURTH WAR!!! --Invin Dranoel 06:43, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

No, Jaina is mine. And, moreover, her own father even had a child with a High Elf, so even if the Orcs are ugly interracial marrying shouldn't be a problem.--K ) (talk) 08:29, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

I'd advise you to think VERY carefully before continuing that conversation- Jaina neither knows nor cares that either of you exist. Kul'tiras vs. the Horde. More like the Fourth Skirmish than an actual war. One does wonder, though... it would heal certain breachs. Let's save it for another expansion hence, or Warcraft IV, people.--Ragestorm 11:38, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

:P I was kidding (was Invin ?). Anyway I don't think it would be a big deal.--K ) (talk) 16:50, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

WC3 > WoW?

"However, in the WoW version, Thrall doesn't even care about his Peon subjects and is shown to be more aggressive and more unfriendly towards his warriors. "

What's the source for this? This statement seems completely unfounded. ESPECIALLY given that he will greet the player's character, a nobody, warmly. --Pure.Wasted 16:32, 3 October 2006 (EDT)

I've removed that section - it doesn't agree with anyinformation I've ever come across, nor appears to make sense. (PS. New comment sections go at the bottom of pages, please) -- Kirkburn (talk) 17:02, 3 October 2006 (EDT)

Woops. Will keep in mind. :) --Pure.Wasted 18:02, 3 October 2006 (EDT)

It just gets confusing sometimes :P Thanks! -- Kirkburn (talk) 19:12, 3 October 2006 (EDT)

I think whoever wrote it might've gotten the idea from the PvP rank book you can purchase, which details how the Horde military is structured, and shows the greatest rank down to the lowest ("as should be"). I either Overlord Saurfang or that other guy wrote it, and as well all know, those two are major hardasses.--Grid 18:08, 25 November 2006 (EST)

Chris Metzen does not voice Thrall

See [1], near the bottom, and other sources. -- Kirkburn (talk) 21:10, 7 October 2006 (EDT)

TV.Com is not an official source. Anyone can edit it. I've heard the WC3 Cinematics DVD mentions Metzen as the voice of Thrall. Which is FAR more official. Can we get confirmation either way?--Aldrius 17:36, 7 October 2006 (EDT)

Nothing accurate on IMDB )-':--K ) (talk) 19:15, 7 October 2006 (EDT)

Info from BC

In BC, we learn more about Thrall, as the horde reconnects with the orcs left in outland. I would post this info on the main page, but i dont have the patience to make it neat and orderly. I can post what ive found here, and hopefully someone with more wiki experiance can post it all nice and pretty-like.

After a long quest chain, thrall returns to outland, to his home in nagrand. We find out that Greatmother Geyah is Thralls Grandmother, although it is not stated on which side. His mother was pregnant with him When they crossed into Azeroth. His given name is Go'el.

It is also revealed that Grom was the first orc to drink Manoroth's blood, and this knowladge is the cause of Garrosh's apathy.

chaztheweird 12:40 23 October 2006 (CST)

Screenshot of Captive Orc

I don't think that screenshot of the orc from the background of the Orc Prologue mission selection screen is Thrall. You see the same orc in grunt gear standing in the Barrens for the Orc Campaign mission selection screen.--Grid 18:14, 25 November 2006 (EST)

Agreed.--Ragestorm 18:27, 25 November 2006 (EST)

I suppose Thrall is greener than that Orc, and Thrall is a little bald.--Malygos 13:21, 4 January 2007 (EST)

He also has blue eyes and long braids.--Zexx 14:47, 4 January 2007 (EST)

Thrall's Orcish Name?

Holy crap this is big news. Where was this information revealed? I was under the impression that he couldn't have one since his parents were killed before his Naming Day, making him yet an unnamed babe. Was he recently given one in honor?--Grid 01:27, 26 November 2006 (EST)

His father had one in mind before they went to Azeroth. You can read about the whole thing here (it's down a ways) -- Maenos 02:54, 26 November 2006 (EST)

okay, am I the only person who thinks its an uncanny resemblance to Kal'el aka Superman? Please tell me. . . -- Erissia

Nope, I've also thought this from the very moment I've read the word "Go'el".--K ) (talk) 20:34, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

When I first saw the name Superman is the first thing I thought of. :) --Sandwichman2448 20:39, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

Thrall's brother?

so i was talking to some NPCs in BC, and i noticed one, Nazgrel, had this to say:

"Still, he is my warchief and my blood-brother."

What makes that really confusing, is Nazgrel is a Mok'Nathal, meaning he could only be thrall's half-brother. Is there some orcish tradition/custom that would make a non relative a blood-brother, or could this be a relative of thrall? --Chaztheweird 02:20, 4 December 2006 (EST)

BC says he's a Mok'Nathol? Cause he was always orc previously.Baggins 02:24, 4 December 2006 (EST)

He sure looks like a Mok'Nathal. Much larger than a normal Orc, about twice the hight of an undead.

He's the same size as an Orc in the current game. Is he still in Gromassh Hold?Baggins 02:38, 4 December 2006 (EST)

While he looks the same as he does in live, he sure looks like a Mok'Nathal in BC. Much larger than a normal Orc, about twice the hight of an undead, almost identical to Rexxar in body shape and size. After reading the wikipedia info on nazgrel and his past, i dont think this means that they are related, but has more of a "borthers in battle" aspect. --Chaztheweird 02:50, 4 December 2006 (EST)

He is in the main building in Thrallmar --Chaztheweird 02:51, 4 December 2006 (EST)

That doesn't make much sense plotwise though, since in Frozen Throne Nazgrel was certainly an orc, and Rexxar says he's the "Last son of the Mok'Nathal" in the story. I'm sure if Nazgrel was Mok'Nathal, Rexxar would have been able to tell. Are you sure this isn't just one of those over sizing of characters to point out that they are an uber bad Boss to fight(for Alliance/PVP)? Like all those weird oversized human bosses, Taelen Fordring for example :p...Baggins 03:01, 4 December 2006 (EST)

Its quite possible, tho it doesn't seem like it. Even thrall is 'normal' height in the game. As far as Rexxar being the last, their is a whole village of Mok'Nathal, so at the very least, Rexxar is not the last, tho he is probably unaware. Blizzard has not been particularly religious at times with regards to lore, this could possibly be a miss-step, intentional or unintentional.

He was the last son of Mok'Nathal on Azeroth, there was nothing said about his status in Outland. I was looking at some pictures of Mok'Nathal of the Mok'Nathal Village, its hard to tell exactly but they don't look any bigger than a normal sized orc, and they all have brownish skin, like the Nagrand orcs.Baggins 03:18, 4 December 2006 (EST)

Nazgrel is not a half-ogre/Mok'Nathal. He was an orc from the moment he was introduced in, in Lord of the Clans. He's not Thrall's biological brother, half or otherwise. Blood-brother to orcs is similar to "brother-in-arms". Thrall had a similar relationship with Hellscream.--Ragestorm 09:55, 4 December 2006 (EST)

Thrall is not normal orc height. He is easily the height of a normal tauren, and about a head taller than my orc hunter. If you want proof I can take screenshots, or simply make an orc alt and run up and compare yourself to him. This is consistent with his portayal in lore, where he is easily the biggest orc out of all his peers, larger than even the late Doomhammer.

As Ragestorm said, blood-brothers are a war bond orcs form between each other when serving in the same unit. Broxigar had a similar relationship to his own peers. A blood-brother is someone who you fight, and therefore bleed with, together.--Grid 12:28, 4 December 2006 (EST)

Thrall in BC

So, Thrall is the only Hero NPC (not to say Racial Leader) to move to the Outland in BC? So if anyone in the Alliance wants to kill him, he gotta get BC expansion first... Anyone knows if any of the Leaders or other important NPC's from the Alliance moves into the Outland? And is he's coming back some time later to the Orgrimmar, or is he leaving his newfound nation without his guidance and such? --Sul'jin 15:37, 4 January 2007 (EST)

Maybe you're having him confused with Thrallmar or Rexxar? Thrall stays in Orgrimmar. He only visits Outland once to meet his grandmother and show the younger Hellscream that his dad was a badass.--Zexx 15:47, 4 January 2007 (EST)

Oh, so he does go back. That's what I wanted to know actually., thanks. --Sul'jin 15:58, 4 January 2007 (EST)

Being a Mage its kind of funny to see this but there are two Thralls in WoW, one in his Throne Room and the other in Nagrand and yes both are there at the same time, very strange but funny Skorg 02:25, 27 January 2007 (EST)

Controversy

Note: This is 100% speculation.

Thrall is known for being an uncorrupted orc, but strange enough he has green skin, in the upcoming expansion Burning Crusade it was shown orcs with brown skin meaning that they were never corrupted, meaning either he ever drunk the blood of mannoroth or one of his parents done it. His father Durotan never drunked the blood because of opposong to it as for his mother it was shown she was against (possibly she might have felt to the temptation and was forgived by Durotan). In the book Warcraft: Lord of the clans which followed Thrall's life since he was a baby it was never shwo that he actually drank it but Grommash Hellscream during Warcraft III: The Reign of Chaos he sai to Thrall "Can you feel it Thrall? It's just like the old days" indicatin that Thrall drunked the blood (but that is impossible) another theory is that of staying so much time aroud the corrupted orcs he micht have felt the negative energies become to lose his skin from brown to green. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Manuelwow (talk · contr).

I moved this here from the article page. Discuss first before inclusion, please. -- User:Kirkburn/Sig 15:21, 5 January 2007 (EST)

Well from that sort of speculation ANYTHING is possible, but it is most likely UNTRUE. The skin of all orcs who are in the vicinity of warlock magics turn green. This is why the Frostwolf Clan, who were expressly forbidden to drink the blood of Mannoroth by Durotan, and also Orgrim Doomhammer who also refused received a change in skin color as well. It just happens more slowly than those who drink the blood directly, who receive an immediate change. The latter theory is the most likely one, and the phenomena itself is not a theory, it is true and proven in Rise of the Horde.--Zexx 15:30, 5 January 2007 (EST)

I think this is addressed in the orc article; orcish skin turns green from exposure to warlock magic (whether or not the orc is a practitioner), it's like radiation (and presumed to be hereditary). --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 16:07, 5 January 2007 (EST)

"Can you feel it Thrall? It's just like the old days" - Remember that this sentence doesn't say exactly that Thrall ever drinked the Blood of Mannoroth. It just implies that Grom felt "like the old days". He might have said that just because he got overexcited with fighting the humans, or, more technically speaking, it could just be a minor mistake made by Blizzard. --Sul'jin 16:10, 5 January 2007 (EST)

I'm more inclined to believe that Grom forgot Thrall wasn't there. Still, Sul'jin is correct- there are no errors, confusions, controversies or retcons here.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 16:51, 5 January 2007 (EST)

I sadly believe it's Blizzard losing their own plot again...(see "sargeras,draenei&eredar-a tragic comedy in 4 acts" and "The Blue Flight over the years- not a cookbook" for details...)--Maibe 17:40, 5 January 2007 (EST)

Blue flight retcon? What? -- User:Kirkburn/Sig 17:48, 5 January 2007 (EST)

That's what I meant. The number of blue dragons that were there between the sundering and the battle at Grim Batol. DotD states there was Malygos who believed himself to be all alone. Perhabs there were a few older blues living and hiding as well, I shall look up the quote about it... (it went something along the lines of -some of the elder that still live...-. Then AQ came and suddenly Malygos' heir shows up...I doubt the spellweaver would send his heir away to rsik his life no matter what. And he would know he's alive. Then, even before that, with war of the ancients two things are stated: First, Neltharion/Deathwing killed every blue dragon except for Malygos, as the book states even old dragons had to follow the call to fight. Second, Krasus saved a good 2 dozen of eggs. And then Sunwell Trilogy: Suddenly there is a good handful of blue dragons. Good, the flight after Grim Batol might be explained with the eggs and Alexstrasza's power to bring back some of the dead...but still...--Maibe 04:03, 6 January 2007 (EST)

Which makes it not a retcon, but an advancement (and deepening) of the storyline in my eyes. Blizzard are very concious of saying that all of the info does not deal in absolutes, but is written from different perspectives; i.e. what one person may believe is true, may not entirely be correct (especially when some people go and mess with the timeline ;) -- User:Kirkburn/Sig 10:04, 6 January 2007 (EST)

• grin* I know...but...geeses...why can't they finally agree on one timeline and plot ;_;--Maibe 12:36, 6 January 2007 (EST)

Gods gods, would you people quit it? "Can you feel it Thrall? It's just like the old days" means the same thing as if your grandfather took the wrong dosage of medication and said he felt twenty again! If you're starting to see retcons and plot holes in something as insignificant as this, then I suggest you retire from the WarCraft universe.

<and apoligies for any offense taken, not the comments>--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:35, 5 January 2007 (EST)

Regarding the blue dragon thing, there where Blue Dragons since Warcraft III(i.e.: Sapphiron). Saimdusan 04:42, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

Quotes

I added a quote section, could someone please ass his aggro quotes? I also forgot(just at the moment) his other greeting: something something, blalaalal what is it you wish? I added this section because it was in Jaina's article and I found it interesting.