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Major Overhaul
Honestly the entire article should now be cleaned up. Both the biography and the comic synopses should be merged into a single biography to remove the repetition in the content. There is no need to have two biographies. There is also no reason to have sections based on individual issues now that everything has been released. It can all be set up chronologically. Also there is no reason to discuss the flashbacks as flashbacks they could be inserted into where they take place chronologically, with only a nod that he a flash back to that point in time in later sections.Baggins (talk) 02:39, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
- I think the article is starting to shape up fairly well. It looks a lot nicer than all of the other city leader's imo. Tevri (talk) 11:22, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- Note that as of April 29th, I am removing the "cleanup" tag. As said in my edits, I think that the article is leaps and bounds better than it was when the tag was put there. While I'm sure there are small things that could be fixed up, I don't think it warrants the tag any longer. Especially with how the Thrall and other racial leaders have been as of late (for example). We have sources cited, we have accurate information, we have things in chronological order, no red links, most of it is concise, and there are good images (and not too few or too many). Tevri (talk) 20:49, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Archived
The discussion page was getting very bloated, especially with dead forum-like postings that had nothing to do with the article. I have archived the page. I'm sure that in the coming months there will be plenty new updates with King Varian Wrynn to discuss. Tevri (talk) 00:47, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
NPCBox
I updated the NPCBox a bit. "Lo'Gosh the Ghost Wolf" isn't really his title per say, it's an alias. It's mentioned a few times later in the article, so I removed it for now, but perhaps there's a way to add "Aliases" in the box? Or, the intro to the article could read: "Varian Wrynn, also known as Lo'Gosh the Ghost Wolf, is the son of the late...." I prefer a simple box-fix though. I also threw in his aggro (hostile to Horde, friendly to Alliance) -- I'm fairly certain all other racial leaders have that. And, I added a few of his known friends: Bolvar Fordragon (deceased), Valeera Sanguinar, Tirion Fordring, and Broll Bearmantle. Tevri (talk) 17:58, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
- In addition, I'd like to hear what else people think this article needs to lose that "cleanup" tag. Tevri (talk) 02:28, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Bolvar is presumed to be deceased actually, due to what Alexstraza said at the Wrathgate. Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart (talk) 02:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- I think the evidence shows that Highlord Bolvar is not dead, however, I don't think we can really get too much into that with this page. Where it says "deceased" next to Bolvar's name in npcbox, I'll link this section of the Bolvar article for people wanting to know more: http://www.wowwiki.com/Bolvar_Fordragon#Fate_of_Bolvar. We can update the article to say "Undead" if an when the time comes. Tevri (talk) 18:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Varian is Right
does anyone else wanna add the facts that were found in the Wowinsider Article "Varian is Right"? I already added the three people he has lost because of the Horde.--
Maelstrong 21:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
- If you want to, you do it. They will be removed if they become too fan opinion based.--SWM2448 21:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
- All facts relevant to King Varian and his distaste for the Horde's faction are currently in the article (the orcs murdering of Llane Wrynn, the Forsaken and the Wrathgate, the Forsaken and Lordaeron, the orcs and Broken Front, the orcs and Warsong and so on and so forth). All the information in the opinion article is correct, but not needed - we don't need to restate what's already been said. Also, I think the sentence is a bit unnecessary. Tevri (talk) 00:31, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
It would be more convincing if an admin removed it.--Maelstrong 01:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- I wasn't trying to convince anyone, I was simply stating my opinion -- and I think it's a correct one. It isn't really a note or a piece of trivia either; Llane's death is very early in the biography, Highlord Bolvar's is in the NPCBox...the information added again just seems superfluous to me. Tevri (talk) 04:03, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- That article explains his mindset perfectly, to my mind. However, wowinsider isn't Blizzard, and psychoanalysis is not part of what we do here. Yes, Varian's opinions are rarely justified, and it's good to see someone actually explaining his mindset for once- as the audience, we have the gift of clarity: we know that Jaina and Rhonin are right and that people like Varian and Garrosh need to move on, and we often forget that in the world itself, things aren't that simple.
- Anyway, back to the actual topic. I don't think that we need a "trivia" note about how many people he's lost to the Horde, it's all elsewhere in the article. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 04:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- I do disagree on the point of King Varian's distrust for the Horde; I don't think that 'moving on' is realistic after all that's happened. There is point when blind peace isn't the answer. The Horde (orcs and Forsaken specifically) have easily caused the deaths of more Alliance members than the Scourge and Yogg-Saron combined. It seems to work out that as far as the average Alliance person is concerned, they both are very dangerous, with leaders just as dangerous as the Lich King (i.e. Sylvanas, who wants to wipe out all life on Azeroth), not to mention the Horde actively occupying a human capital. Meh, but this isn't a forum. Bottom line, we shouldn't let the page devolve into an analysis of his beliefs. Well, there's the Admin if you really needed it Maelstrong. Tevri (talk) 06:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Geez, we dont want no "Hitler was right" articles to wowwiki. Just forget it. Noobi666 (talk) 07:27, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- Honestly, that was completly out of line. Tevri (talk) 17:34, 27 May 2009 (UTC)