Talk:Velen

Mural

I just wondered could blizz be suggesting somthing with this mural...

Could this be Velen himself??

File:Eredarmural.jpg

Velen??

Entirely possible- when first released, I thought is was Khadgar. He does look wise, I suppose. Might as well add the picture and then remove it when he have actual images. --Ragestorm 13:14, 31 July 2006 (EDT)

Very good find there. --Tampler

Very possible. If you look closely, you can see it is a priest. He is wearing the tier two preist shoulders and robes. Unlike normal eredar, he has the glowing crest above his head. He looks to be old and wise, as a Draenei leader should. This could be Velen. --User:Velenrulz

It's official. An alpha model view screeny has been leaked, showing Velen in this priest armor and everything else. I will not link it due to the ESA ban, but i will say that if you find it, you will be VERY impressed. --User:Velenrulz

Velen's Appearance and Age

What about the Draenei Mage on the Burning Crusade home Page??That could be Velen and the Blood Elf next to him could be Kael.The issue of Age is also at hand as Velen lived 10,000 years ago,but he would remain like Kil'Jaedan and Archimonde and Have no real show of age.We will have to wait for Blizz to confirm this though. User:Hammerdin

True, it's possible. And Velen is more than twenty-five thousand years old. It's probably a more powerful version of the same anti-aging spell used by the Guardians. --Ragestorm 17:35, 28 August 2006 (EDT)

Maybe The Draenei in general is Blessed like the Night Elves to Have Immortality,Possibly Granted by the Naaru or Some Other Worldly Force(Dragonflight maybe) Due to their Extreme Intellegance and Ingenutiy.---Hammerdin

Scale back a bit on the capitals. That's more than possible, although I'm not certain the the Dragonflights are a viable source for such an option. They were the most advanced race upon Azeroth at the time of the Old Gods' imprisonment, and that is the reason they were chosen to recieve such powers. But yes, it could be an arcane spell or the blessing of the Naaru. --Ragestorm 18:28, 28 August 2006 (EDT)

Sorry...I like capitals.....Didn't the Eredar live on Argus though?Also its confirmed that Kil' and Arch got thier immortality from the Burning Legion.It may be that the Draenei themselves where blessed by both the Naaru and the Dragonflight due to thier resistance to corruption and dedication to the Holy light.-Hammerdin

Yes, so your suggestion about the Naaru is quite likely. But the Draenei didn't even know the Dragonflights existed until Deathwing showed up on Draenor 25,000 years later- Dragons are native to Azeroth. --Ragestorm 20:28, 28 August 2006 (EDT)

Yes..Maybe some naaru will be present in Exodar or around Azuremyst as quest givers or paladin trainers.Seems only fitting since the naaru have led them this far.Quite possibly a naaru might have an important place in Exodar as a boss.Maybe it is also that while on Argus,the Eredar learned about the Dragonflight but were not blessed because of thier affiliation with the burning crusade.-Hammerdin

I've told you about six times: the Eredar didn't find out about the dragons until the War of the Ancients, 15,000 years after their corruption. The draenei, not for 25,000. The Dragons do NOT exist anywhere other than Azeroth and Outland, unless they were exported in the last decade. --Ragestorm 21:11, 28 August 2006 (EDT)

Ok ok ok ok ok ok!The Eredar did not know about the dragons until 15,000 years after thier corruption and the Draenei 25 thousand.....its just that we know that blizz likes to change the story abit during the process of making a game.Maybe this Article should be moved to the Draenei discuss page,its kind of gone of track of the velen theme.-Hammerdin

Eh. :/ if anything, Bliz seems pretty adamant about sticking to existing lore. They don't retcon much unless they really have to. Pzychotix

Anyway, what's the point of anticipating retcons? If we start seeing retcons around every corner, then what's the point of the lore, anyways? --Ragestorm 06:01, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

I think the only draenei who's almost immortal is Velen...maybe the others just have a long life. I think Velen was blessed by the naaru to become immortal so he could lead his race to a safer future. --Orkk

Sounds reasonable. Sorry about stating about anticipating retcons. Velen is probably the only one of the draenei immortal. Its also a theory is that draenei have such long lifes is because of thier connection to the light. -Hammerdin

Jessera of Mac'Aree is roughly 25,000 years old at the least, and he doesn't seem like anyone of particular import. I'm going with the theory that all draenei in general are immortal or at least extremely long-lived. ----  Varghedin  talk / contribs 15:22, 7 February 2007 (EST)

no you idiot he isen't immortal-knwo why? cus i led a raid and we killed him and everything in the damn exodar. sorry you were wrong he's strong but not immortal.

Game model picture

- - -has posted a picture of Velen's model. Looks very official in my opinion. Click "creatures", and he's the first of the second row in the big batch of pictures.

Really now. Most of us here are well aware of the various model pictures roaming the intertubes, but we don't need to help spread them even further. We're not some bleeding edge tabloid you know. Pzychotix 22:21, 5 September 2006 (EDT)

#1, Sign your posts. #2, where the hell (pardon my french) is " creatures" ?????? I'm eager to see the pic of velen even if its fake,at least it will give us an idea of what he might look like.-Hammerdin

If you must see a picture, check the page history. Do not post more links on here please -- Kirkburn (talk) 21:10, 10 September 2006 (EDT)

Hey fellas, i just uploaded Prophet Velen's picture from the Closed Beta. --Pulyx 18:45, 20 October 2006 (EDT)

What is that armor supposed to be? It looks like Tier 2, but with noticable differences. Could that be the Tier 4 armor for priests? --Joshmaul 20:22, 21 October 2006 (EDT)

Actually, like almost all racial leaders, they have "unique" equipment. We've seen the Priest tier4. And it's pretty different from it. --Pulyx 11:25, 23 October 2006 (EDT)

Article Name

The current beta NPC is "Prophet Velen", so this article should be moved to that name following the rules for NPC articles. It can probably wait until the expansion is live and it's official though.--Aeleas 20:07, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

If that's the way it appears in the release, then I guess we'll rename after the release, just be sure. Not sure why "Prophet Velen" is better than "Velen," though. I suppose they knew what they were doing. --Ragestorm 20:36, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

"Prophet Velen" as in-game name is not reason enough to rename the article. "Prophet" is just a title, and regardless of what he's called in-game, I believe this article should be called just "Velen". If we're going to call it "Prophet Velen", then we would be contradictive not renaming other articles: "Archdruid Malfurion Stormrage" or "High Priestess Tyrande Whisperwind", wouldn't we? For all characters of this importance, I would say name-(surname) in article, name-(surname)-title in infobox. --NerdKnight Xavier 04:16, 18 February 2007 (EST)

It's also a matter of whether they appear in none-RPG lore sources or previous games- if they do, then we should just give the name and no title (which will appear in the first line of the article and the infobox. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 09:18, 18 February 2007 (EST)

Velen’s voice

I’ve met Velen himself and was quite disappointed when I heared his voice. However, in the MPQ-Files, there is an existing voice for Velen, but not used in game. Is this a bug or could this be intended? Unfortunately, I don’t have an US account, and the EU forums don’t have a bug forum. Could someone with an US account post this in the bug forum? --Iggey 12:36, 7 February 2007 (EST)

Reference to Babylon 5?

The name sure is a lot alike the Mimbar religious figure Valen (SP?) from Babylon 5. Is it just me who thinks so? Torte 10:50, 17 February 2007 (EST)

You mean the Prophet Valen, the Minbari leader who was blessed by the beings of light, the Vorlons, to lead his people in the fight against the Shadows? A people who were highly technological, religious, and seemed to use crystals everywhere? Naaah, Blizz would never make a pop reference that obvious! :P

In all seriousness, though, yes, I think this may be another pop culture reference. Dunno for a fact, just the similarities are there. In addition, one of the in-game events in the Tomb of Lights quest is straight out of an episode of B5... -Tharion_Greyseer 3:53am, 4 march 2007 (EST)

Would Velen Stand a Chance?

I really, really love it how they've been labelling Velen as Kil'Jaeden's Arch-Enemy. That sort of rivalry sends tingles down my spine =D Seeing a confrontation between Velen and Kil'Jaeden is definately one of my most anticipated lore moments, right up there with the return of the Lich King. Just wondering though, if Velen and Kil'Jaeden fought, who would win? Kil'Jaeden's powers were strengthened initially by Sargeras and I'm sure they're growing with each passing moment. Similarly, Velen would've gained a lot of knowledge from the Naaru... but is that enough? What do you guys reckon? Maarz

Really tough to say; I think that's what they've been going for. Since we don't actually know the exact powers both of them have, it's impossible to say. Kil'jaeden has knowledge and mastery of the arcane second only to the titans and gods themselves. Velen's affinity for holy magic probably is probably comparable; Velen also has Spirit's Song, the single most powerful of the Ata'mal crystals. btw, we's like it if you use your full signature (four tildes, so that your name comes with the date and time). --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 09:33, 4 March 2007 (EST)

My bad, known about this site for ages but only just started posting on it. Next time I'd appreciate it if you told me how to do it =D --Maarz

Type "~ ~ ~ ~" without the spaces. that'll automatically put your username with the date and time. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 09:11, 7 March 2007 (EST)

Thanks man =D --Maarz 00:15, 8 March 2007 (EST)

If it came down to it. In a battle between Kil'Jaedon and Velen it would end in the demise of Velen. Velen is both immortal and not. He has grown old in time and physically is quite weak and compared to Kil'Jaedon's strength is nothing. When it comes down the Arcane and Daemonic Magicks of Kil'jaedon versus the Holy Light and Arcane Power of Velen it is still in Kil'Jaedon's favor. Velen has the Spirit's Song but sadly I do believe the crystal can rival the power of Kil'Jaedon nor can Velen himself. The crystal itself is one of the strongest fragments of Ata'Mal but still is a fragment. When Ner'Zhul offered some of these crystals to Kil'Jaedon he could care less about them and allowed the orcs to use them in their battle against the draenei long ago. In the Twisting Nether and from their invading of thousands of worlds - Kil'Jaedon has grown strong. Kil'Jaedon is more cunning and lightly stronger in the arcane way then Archimonde. It took the combined armies of the Horde, Alliance, and Nature itself to defeat Archimonde. Velen himself cannot perform magic to increase his body to that extent and probably can only scratch Kil'Jaedon with his abilities. If Velen had the power of Kil'Jaedon he would of defeated the orcs himself during the war between Orcs and Draenei. If Velen had such great powers of light he would of saced countless lives with his magnificant power. But sadly Velen isn't gaining much stronger or younger. --Shaha

Physically, Kil'jaeden would be stronger. No doubt Velen is the wiser one and he forges his own plans against the Burning Legion. While Kil'jaeden is obsessed with his demonic army, Velen makes new plans to defend himself, now that the draenei are a part of the alliance...--Iggey 17:37, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

I wouldn't bet on Velen being wiser; Kil'jaeden is not Archimonde, he's very cunning and extremely devious. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:31, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

Excuse me? How can you even discuss something like this? Velen is obviously a strong mage due to the eredun affinity for magic and his being one of their triad. Velen is obviously a cross between a priest & paladin of the holy light(They never really highlight the difference) and thus has strong holy magic. He is also more than 25000 years old and very obviously a close confidante of the Naaru. This should be enough for Velen to be the one of the strongest present NPCs on Azeroth. I think that he even learnt a bit of Shaman lore and rites from Nobundo for several reasons, including the fact that he would probably love speaking to the spirits. In fact several fact if you look for them point towards that. Not the least of it Velen's Vision itself. That vision proves one of three things, 1. that he has a natural affinity for visions, 2. that the naaru(or the light) somehow knew of the Nobundo development and informed Velen in a cryptic vision(Thus making the source of Velen's Visons as the light.) or 3. that the spirits themselves informed him. Taking this he becomes one of the strongest mages, one of the oldest priest/paladin of the light, and a possible shamanistic connection. This should make him strong enough to probably defeat people like Illidan & Azshara and definitely a match for Kil'jaeden. Anuragsahay 09:27, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

Maybe so, but as mentioned by Ragestorm, Kil'jaeden is far more devious and cunning than Archimonde. If this were a Warhammer-type game (which, rumor has it, Warcraft was originally supposed to be), Archimonde would probably be a manifestation of Khorne (the Chaos God of War), as he practically relied on brute force tactics, while Kil'jaeden would be more in line with Tzeentch, the Chaos God of Magic - a powerful sorcerer and a devious schemer, manipulating the strands of Fate in order to further his own goals. As for Velen - it's likely that he would stand a chance against Kil'jaeden in a contest of arcane mastery, but Kil'jaeden has more than a few tricks up his sleeve. If these two were to go head-to-head, Velen may find himself dealing with more than he bargained for. But that's just me. --Joshmaul 06:53, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

Seeing as how it isn't Warhammer any longer, I think it's safe to say that those calculations are no longer in the equation, as it were. I think that Kil'jaeden and Velen are probably evenly matched in terms of overall intelligence and overall power levels (obviously, their fields of magic are complete opposites). Since we've never seen either of them in an actual fight, we have no idea. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 09:24, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

I understand that it's not Warhammer. I do play both. *grin* But there are similarities in thinking to the Chaos Gods: Archimonde tended to be more "KILL!" and Kil'jaeden more "Hmm, how do I really screw with this guy?" *shrug* As I said, Kil'jaeden may have a few tricks up his sleeve. But then I thought for a moment - so could Velen. After all, you don't spend 25,000 years in exile without learning a few tricks. --Joshmaul 11:37, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

Kil'jaeden would win fortunately he's a coward. Zarnks 05:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

<raises eyebrows> and what's your evidence for that? --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 12:25, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Velen can be defeated ingame. Kil'jaeden has equal power to Lich king/Arthas who beat Illidan who is more powerfull then Velen. Theres no really no question,Kil'jaeden is the most powerful warlock who ever lived,while Velen is more of a leader then a fighter. Zarnks 07:11, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

So what that he can be defeated in-game (same as all factions bosses - it's a game mechanic)? Kil'jaeden isn't in the game. Provide proof to back up your facts, not "what I think". User:Kirkburn/Sig3 15:27, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Kil'jaden has always been portrayed as one of the most powerful beings. The only way I can see Velen winning is if he somehow outsmarts Kil'jaeden or pulls of a miracle like Hellscream Zarnks 17:56, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Sure, let's conveniently ignore that he outsmarted Kil'jaeden for thousands of years and leap to the core of the matter: Velen has been protrayed in one (1) book, and one (1) game. And even then not as a huge part. Of course a warmonger is portrayed as powerful - he's the enemy! Hardly makes for an exciting game if you're going against something described as a wet flannel ... User:Kirkburn/Sig3 18:14, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

This is fight is purely relying on their combat ability and wit right. Ki'jaeden is the right hand of Sargeras,he has tons of brute strength. Velen was able to be captured by orcs, can't restore the broken, couldn't defeat the orcs. Kil'jaeden was corrupted entire races, never lost a fight, and is now known to be extremely wily but cowardly, he's called the deciever for a reason. Zarnks 18:21, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

We have little idea of what Velen is capable of in a fight. Do we allow Kil'jaeden to have minions? Do we therefore allow the naaru to aid Velen? This is why it's a silly line to take that one side would "definately" win. Velen pretty much allowed himself to be captured, some Broken and Lost Ones don't want to be restored, and the draenei had not the numbers nor the will to destroy the orcs. Seriously, don't delude yourself (or others) that the draenei want the orcs dead. Finally, spend more time when typing your comments. User:Kirkburn/Sig3 19:01, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

From what I have seen its mainly the broken that want the orcs dead. I'm not saying Velen is weak,but in a one on one fight,Kil'jaeden would win. If Velen was given all of A'dal's power,he would have a greater chance of winning. Zarnks 19:21, 16 July 2007 (UTC)