Talk: Bookfooter

Revision as of 11:53, 7 June 2010

Warcraft Legends has appeared at Amazon.com source. Should it still say "likely" in the template? Kimera757 23:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Split?

It is getting to the time when the template should be split into types (with an overall one linking the main "type" pages)? Kirkburn talk contr 15:21, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with this. It's getting way too big with all the books, comics etc. --g0urra[T҂C] 08:52, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Replace by Template:Bookfooter.

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 11:53, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Update?

How long does it take for a change on this template to start showing up on articles that have this template in them? Rolandius (talk - contr) 04:21, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Others

Should this template only include books under the Blizzard Franchise / Roadmap? There quite a few WoW programming books out there. And others non-official books like The Battle for Azeroth: Adventure, Alliance, and Addiction in the World of Warcraft --Ramu50 (talk) 21:22, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Warcraft / World of Warcraft tags

I think it's pretty unnecessary to divide the sources depending on their license name (Warcraft/World of Warcraft). This includes the RPG. If you insist on labeling the RGP, you should label the novels, too, nope?

And, for god's sake. There's something called preview. If you realize your latest editions fuck the template up, leaving tons of blank space that before were properly used, fix your edition.

And i miss group 5, too.

--Lon-ami (talk) 18:20, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Notes

First do not threat people with banning.

Sorry I didn't sum up the info. My point being is that should we just reduce the template down to this:

I mean seriously this is most messiest template in Warcraft considering they are still other franchise Template:Games. I am thinking if the contents really need to be kept, create a footer template instead. The MMO stuff was just pure commenting. I went somewhat overboard on the D&D stuff, but seriously if it is a fork D&D form, then some of information should be indicated, either in footnotes, title or the "dash" as shown below.

--Ramu50 (talk) 05:34, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Template:Books is reserved for official books.

Hacking World of Warcraft (book) is not an official publication.

Persisting in this way might lead you to a provisory or permanent ban.

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 16:16, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Edit: No one is threatened, you are being explained the why.

Ramu you aren't being threated, you are just being told what may happen if you try and add that book again. Now i'm having trouble understanding what the point of that long disjointed post is. Is it that the RPGs are a DnD format? We know that, but that's irrelevant. The are official blizzard licenced products.Warthok Talk Contribs 17:46, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

If 11 million players isn't "massively multi-player" and "internet connection required" isn't "online" I'm not sure what what an MMO would be.

Howbizr^(t·c) 5:21 PM, 24 Jul 2009 (EDT)

Ramu50 i disagree on all counts. I don't think the template is too messy, i can read it just fine. And none of the books on there are another franchise, they may follow a format based on another game, but they are all as "warcraft" as the MMO itself. "hacking world of warcraft" is not. It has nothing to do with the nature of the matierial or the contents within. It has everything to do with blizzards stamp of approval. I'm pushing for the template to be left as is.Warthok Talk Contribs 06:57, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I think the fact that Hacking World of Warcraft is on WoWWiki may be a problem. If it is on here then some people will want it to be in the book template. Rolandius

(talk - contr) 07:25, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Aye i agree. Let me take back something i said. The template could use some clean-up. But not in the form of removing items, maybe just shortening names.Warthok Talk Contribs 07:48, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Sort of like Template:Games? Rolandius

(talk - contr) 07:54, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

The template is fine as it is. It includes all the official books that can be bought, and their main group in case of anthologies, trilogies and series. It's fine as it is, IMO.

If I had to remove something, it would be the game guides, cause there are like 15 or more of them, and are just about gameplay.--Lon-ami (talk) 11:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

WoW comic cancellation

Now that the WoW comic has been canceled/converted into graphic novels, shouldn't those changes be reflected on the template?

See source here: http://comics.ign.com/articles/105/1055759p1.html PSH aka Kimera 757 (talk) 14:57, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

It's not cancelled, they are just releasing the compilations directly instead of going issue by issue. The announced issues will still be there once the graphic novel goes on sale. The difference is we won't be able to buy the issues separately.

I would leave it as it is, until we get more information on the format of those graphic novels. After all, these issues are the only information we have.--Lon-ami (talk) 17:43, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Online Shortstories

Shouldn't the online short stories (Unbroken, Road to Damanation etc.) be added? Aedror42 (talk) 14:47, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed for an "Online shortstories"

Unbroken, Road to Damnation, War of the Shifting Sands, can't remember of another

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 15:01, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

Let me see... there is the 3 you mentioned... then there is The War Effort (On the Official Site), Glory (On the Official site), and then there is the short stories of the World of Warcraft Official Strategy Guide/World of Warcraft Master Guide, Second Edition (Although they aren't online short stories) which doesn't appear on the list. Aedror42 (talk) 15:10, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

I think only the "published book" were to be added to this template.

If not, we should add the Legends stories and a lot of other stuff.

In my opinion, the template is fine without the unpublished short stories. Just lick "short stories" to see them.--Lon-ami (talk) 21:24, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

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+Warcraft Legends has appeared at Amazon.com [http://www.amazon.com/Warcraft-Anthology-1-Various/dp/1427807221 source]. Should it still say "likely" in the template? [[User:Kimera757|Kimera757]] 23:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
-==Types==
-*[[Template:Bookfooter/Novel|Novel]]
+== Split? ==
-*[[Template:Bookfooter/Manga|Manga]]
-*[[Template:Bookfooter/Comic|Comic]]
+It is getting to the time when the template should be split into types (with an overall one linking the main "type" pages)? {{User:Kirkburn/Sig4}} 15:21, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
-*[[Template:Bookfooter/Warcraft RPG|RPG]]
-*[[Template:Bookfooter/Art|Art]]
+:I agree with this. It's getting way too big with all the books, comics etc. --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 08:52, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
-*[[Template:Bookfooter/Atlas|Atlas]]
+::Replace by [[Template:Bookfooter]].
+::{{User:A'noob/sig}} 11:53, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
+==Update?==
+How long does it take for a change on this template to start showing up on articles that have this template in them? [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Talk">talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Contributions">contr</span>]])</small> 04:21, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
+== Others ==
+Should this template only include books under the Blizzard Franchise / Roadmap? There quite a few WoW programming books out there. And others non-official books like [http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/books/Battle-Azeroth-Adventure-Alliance-Addiction-Bill-Fawcett/9781932100846-item.html?ref=Search+Books%3a+%2527world+of+warcraft%2527 The Battle for Azeroth: Adventure, Alliance, and Addiction in the World of Warcraft] --[[User:Ramu50|Ramu50]] ([[User talk:Ramu50|talk]]) 21:22, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
+==Warcraft / World of Warcraft tags==
+I think it's pretty unnecessary to divide the sources depending on their license name (Warcraft/World of Warcraft). This includes the RPG. If you insist on labeling the RGP, you should label the novels, too, nope?
+And, for god's sake. There's something called preview. If you realize your latest editions fuck the template up, leaving tons of blank space that before were properly used, fix your edition.
+And i miss group 5, too.
+--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 18:20, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
+== Notes ==
+* First do not threat people with banning.
+{| <!-- Template --> class="navbox collapsible collapsed" style="text-align: left; border: 0px; margin-top: 0.2em;"
+|-
+! style="background-color: #112A44;" | D&D genre discussion
+|-
+| style="text-align:center;" | Contents
+|-
+| style="border: solid 1px silver; padding: 8px; |
+Evidence of Warcraft is a D&D genre is here. Well D&D as a form of games might be more correct, as inclusion of different doesn't really pertains to D&D as a genre. I refers things like massive selection of characters class with further development, development using subgenre of fantasy and user interface. They tend to deal with dragons and sometimes a Gothic mood.
+===Source===
+([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sword_and_sorcery Article] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Fantasy Template:Fantasy]), and they aren't speculative fiction. Blizzard also took caution in publishing the book as Warcraft:The RPG NOT Warcraft:The "MMORPG."
+:Don't argue with me on this one on definition of MMO, its off-topic. I am researching this part by trying to categorize a lot of MMO games into different genres.
+(Wikipedia currently uses: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Multiplayer_online_games Multiplayer-Online games] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Video_game_genre Video Game (genre)], but the majority of MMO players don't agree (cf see their talk page).
+Just because it is a biggest played game doesn't make it a MMORPG. My current guess would be WoW and Warhammer are subforms of D&D  that can revolutionize how future game is developed in online. (Note: I am still learning on Warhammer, don't know as much). Currently Community-driven development and medias involvement with Minigames and eCash network medias is most popular.
+===Development===
+* Note I am guessing they are more of merchandising as oppose to franchising.
+[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_creatures_in_Dungeons_%26_Dragons Manual of Monster in D&D], aka a fork. D&D do not publish books under their brand simply to earn money, they publish it, because it has similarities in their [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:D%26D_character_classes class] development.
+ A Dungeon Master serves as the game's referee and storyteller, while also maintaining the
+ setting in which the adventures occur.
+There is clear evidence that Blizzard is utilizing the comics serve as the main storyline narration and culture introduction. As the Comics deals with the conflict between Elf and Orc,
+future of Emerald Dream and story from Warcraft II (King Varian rise) leading to Secrets of Uldular.
+Minor stories include
+The Ashbringer continues from Sunwell Trilogy of what happens to Orb of Ner'zhul while the Manga every 1st story (from Book 1~ 4) deals with Trag, possible new agent of Lich King. The Manga explains what happen in the Scourage (Book 1: The Journey + Book 2: Warrior Divided + Book 3: Crusaders's Blood).
+*Family Values explain fate of future Dreani.
+*Miles to Go explains companionship and shamanism.
+*The Thrill of the Hunt seems to indicate that Warcraft Hunter are just about a gun and classic  Bounty Hunter and Soul Hunter which is what happens in a lot modern manga. Thus I am guessing that explains Booty Bay and South Seas probably has none of that sort.
+*An Honest serves likewise to Miles to Go, as very few games explain exactly what the heck are history, culture...etc of smiths, nevermind explaining what is the between a smith, -wright and journeyman.
+Book 3: Crusader's Blood ([[Varimathras]]) and [[Balnazzar]] in Ashbringer and [[Kathra'Natir]] in Comics all hint at Dreadlord and Doomguard involvement in ?Wow:Expansion Pack 4 or future patches.
+The Druidism, Shamanism and Warlock in Legends / Manga are important. One of the D&D goals is to play the game as if you are part of it, because the class are based on realities, you will feel like in another dimension and not just in another MMO environment which tend to very genre specific (e.g. if you look at Martial Arts MMO they tend to be very boring, other than The Matrix Online).
+--[[User:Ramu50|Ramu50]] ([[User talk:Ramu50|talk]]) 16:12, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
+|-
+| style="text-align:center;" | Footnotes
+|}
+----
+Sorry I didn't sum up the info. My point being is that should we just reduce the template down to this:
+{{navbox
+|name=Books
+|title=Warcraft [[:Category:Books|books]]
+|group1=[[Novel Guide|Novels]] and<br />[[short stories]]
+|list1=[[Warcraft Archive|Archives]]{{·}} [[War of the Ancients Trilogy|War of the Ancients]]{{·}} [[Cycle of Hatred]]{{·}} [[Rise of the Horde]]{{·}} [[Tides of Darkness]]{{·}} [[Beyond the Dark Portal]]{{·}} [[Night of the Dragon]]{{·}} [[Arthas: Rise of the Lich King|Rise of the Lich King]]{{·}} [[Stormrage (novel)|Stormrage]]
+|group2=[[Manga]]
+|list2=[[The Sunwell Trilogy|The Sunwell]]{{·}} [[The Dragons of Outland]]{{·}} [[Warcraft: Legends]]{{·}} [[Death Knight (manga)|Death Knight]]
+|group3=[[Comics]]
+|list3=[[World of Warcraft (Wildstorm comic)|World of Warcraft]]{{·}} [[World of Warcraft: Ashbringer|Ashbringer]]
+|group4= [[Warcraft The Roleplaying Game|RPG sourcebooks]]
+|list4= [[Timeline (RPG Books Chronology)|RPG Timeline]] : ([[Alliance Player's Guide]]{{·}} [[Horde Player's Guide]]{{·}} [[Lands of Conflict]]{{·}} [[Lands of Mystery]]{{·}} [[Dark Factions]])
+&nbsp;&mdash; [[Dungeons & Dragons Warcraft The Roleplaying Game|D&D Warcraft The RPG]]{{·}} [[Alliance & Horde Compendium]]{{·}} [[Shadows & Light]]
+&nbsp;&mdash; [[Manual of Monsters]] ([[Monster Guide]]){{·}} [[Magic & Mayhem]] ([[More Magic and Mayhem]])
+|group5 = Others
+|list5  =  [[WoW Atlas]] ([[WoW Atlas: Burning Crusade|Burning Crusade]]{{·}} [[WoW Atlas: Wrath of the Lich King|Wrath of the Lich King]]){{·}} [[Cinematic Art of World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King|Cinematic Art of WoW: Wrath of the Lich King]]
+}}
+:I mean seriously this is most messiest template in Warcraft considering they are still other franchise [[Template:Games]]. I am thinking if the contents really need to be kept, create a footer template instead. The MMO stuff was just pure commenting. I went somewhat overboard on the D&D stuff, but seriously if it is a fork D&D form, then some of information should be indicated, either in footnotes, title or the "dash" as shown below.
+--[[User:Ramu50|Ramu50]] ([[User talk:Ramu50|talk]]) 05:34, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
+:[[Template:Books]] is reserved for official books.
+:[[Hacking World of Warcraft (book)]] is not an official publication.
+:Persisting in this way might lead you to a provisory or permanent ban.
+:{{User:A'noob/sig}} 16:16, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
+::Edit: No one is threatened, you are being explained the why.
+:Ramu you aren't being threated, you are just being told what may happen if you try and add that book again. Now i'm having trouble understanding what the point of that long disjointed post is. Is it that the RPGs are a DnD format? We know that, but that's irrelevant. The are official blizzard licenced products.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 17:46, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
+::If 11 million players isn't "massively multi-player" and "internet connection required" isn't "online" I'm not sure what what an MMO would be. {{User:Howbizr/sign}} 5:21 PM, 24 Jul 2009 (EDT)
+Ramu50 i disagree on all counts. I don't think the template is too messy, i can read it just fine. And none of the books on there are another franchise, they may follow a format based on another game, but they are all as "warcraft" as the MMO itself. "hacking world of warcraft" is not. It has nothing to do with the nature of the matierial or the contents within. It has everything to do with blizzards stamp of approval. I'm pushing for the template to be left as is.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 06:57, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
+:I think the fact that ''Hacking World of Warcraft'' is on WoWWiki may be a problem. If it is on here then some people will want it to be in the book template. [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Talk">talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Contributions">contr</span>]])</small> 07:25, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
+::Aye i agree. Let me take back something i said. The template could use some clean-up. But not in the form of removing items, maybe just shortening names.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 07:48, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
+:::Sort of like [[:Template:Games]]? [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Talk">talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Contributions">contr</span>]])</small> 07:54, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
+:The template is fine as it is. It includes all the official books that can be bought, and their main group in case of anthologies, trilogies and series. It's fine as it is, IMO.
+:If I had to remove something, it would be the game guides, cause there are like 15 or more of them, and are just about gameplay.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 11:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
+== WoW comic cancellation ==
+Now that the WoW comic has been canceled/converted into graphic novels, shouldn't those changes be reflected on the template?
+See source here: http://comics.ign.com/articles/105/1055759p1.html [[user: PsiSeveredHead|PSH aka Kimera 757]] ([[user talk: PsiSeveredHead|talk]]) 14:57, December 20, 2009 (UTC)
+:It's not cancelled, they are just releasing the compilations directly instead of going issue by issue. The announced issues will still be there once the graphic novel goes on sale. The difference is we won't be able to buy the issues separately.
+:I would leave it as it is, until we get more information on the format of those graphic novels. After all, these issues are the only information we have.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 17:43, December 20, 2009 (UTC)
+==Online Shortstories==
+Shouldn't the online short stories (Unbroken, Road to Damanation etc.) be added? [[User:Aedror42|Aedror42]] ([[User talk:Aedror42|talk]]) 14:47, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
+:Agreed for an "Online shortstories"
+:[[Unbroken (story)|Unbroken]], [[Road to Damnation]], [[War of the Shifting Sands]], can't remember of another
+:{{User:A'noob/sig}} 15:01, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
+::Let me see... there is the 3 you mentioned... then there is [[The War Effort]] (On the [http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/1p9/wareffort.html Official Site]), [[Glory (story)|Glory]] (On the [http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/1p9/wareffort.html Official site]), and then there is the short stories of the [[World of Warcraft Official Strategy Guide]]/[[World of Warcraft Master Guide, Second Edition]] (Although they aren't online short stories) which doesn't appear on the list. [[User:Aedror42|Aedror42]] ([[User talk:Aedror42|talk]]) 15:10, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
+:::I think only the "published book" were to be added to this template.
+:::If not, we should add the Legends stories and a lot of other stuff.
+:::In my opinion, the template is fine without the unpublished short stories. Just lick "short stories" to see them.--[[User:Lon-ami|Lon-ami]] ([[User talk:Lon-ami|talk]]) 21:24, March 14, 2010 (UTC)