Template talk:Main characters
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Aspects
Why aren't characters such as the remaining Aspects on here? --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:35, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
They were not technically in-game, therefore not main characters.--SWM2448 20:38, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
Adding
Can I add High Tinker Gelbin Mekkatorque to the list?-Airiph 16:44, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
- Mmmm... I'd have to say no. He has no established lore prior to his introduction in WoW. --Sky (t · c · w) 16:53, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Ok.-Airiph 16:55, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Template intention
Yeah, er, it was a bit of a mistake when I created this template, as I was originally going to make it just WC3 characters, but that was a silly (and somewhat unworkable) restriction. I would say that the best idea for this is that it covers all Warcraft characters with major game roles, and that the name is changed. Thoughts? Kirkburn talk contr 22:34, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Align
Was there a reason it was left aligned rather than kept centered? 
{T•C) 06:54, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- I was bored, and wanted it to look a little bit more like wikipedia's navboxes. Speaking of which, I need to finish skinning navbox. Sigh. --Sky (t | c | w) 06:57, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Teron Gorefiend
Teron Gorefiend, being the only 'notable undead' on the Undead template, playing a major role in the Shadow Council as well as the Second War and numerous events with the Karabor, including his service to Gul'dan, Orgrim Doomhammer, Kil'jaeden, and his recent relation to Illidan all as possibly the most powerful Death Knight, not to mention his exploits stealing artifacts for the portals in Outland and his attempt at stealing the Eye of Dalaran. Furthermore, he seems to strike fear into the hearts of the Undead. There is no dispute here about his renown nor his exploits, he is entwined deeply with the story, so he is definitely a major character. The major issue I see is that it is too hard to categorize him, for he always seems to only be on his own side... He could easily be categorized under Horde (least likely), Illidari (for his appearence in Black Temple), or even Burning Legion (for his service to Kil'jaeden and Gul'dan). Omniferous (talk) 05:53, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
- I added (presumed) after his name, because it is not sure why he is siding with Illidan, and even if he is he may not technically be a member of the Illidari. Feel free to revert this if you want. Omniferous (talk) 01:39, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Sha'tar/Army of the Light
The Sha'tar and their allies seem to be deeply involved with current lore - Sunwell Isle, Shattrath City and so on. I think that there should be a separate line with characters aiding the Sha'tar like: A'Dal, Akama, Voren'thal, Ishanah, Lady Liadrin, M'uru . What do you think of this?Dakovski (talk) 18:35, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
- While Blizzard is definetly edging towards that (since the characters' introduction), I'm reluctant to do that with this template at this time, largely because of the ones you listed, Akama is the only person who's featured in sources other than WoW (not counting the TGC). While they're all certainly significant characters, I would argue that only Akama and possibly Liadrin have much in the way of character development that one would associate with a "main character." That said, there are others on the template who are in a similar situation, so I guess my answer is "not sure."--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 19:16, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Chen in Horde section
OK, we've had Chen Stormstout as a character that was helping the Horde in the same manner as Rexxar, and Rexxar is listed behind "Horde". Should we have Chen in Horde section? Severin Andrews 12:14, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Overhaul
I've protected this until we decide for certain who we're changing, adding and whatnot. So, let's discuss. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 12:42, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I think that every character with 
from the Major characters list should be on this template as well as most with an 
. I see some minor characters on the template that need to be removed - Sen'jin for example is only mentioned in the demo campaign of Warcraft 3; and if Brox and Halduron are to be kept, some other characters if their stature should also be included, say Shandris who is also a sentinel general similar to Halduron. You can even put Garithos and Rend Blackhand. There should be, however, some kind of border and requirements if this is to be a good list, I think.Dakovski (talk) 14:37, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
- I agree. Both this page and the Major characters list need an overhaul. I'll agree to Sen'jin's removal, he appears in only three missions of a demo (though the events it tells are still canonical). Shandris should definetly be on this list as she is featured prominently in WotA, but Garithos, to my knowledge has never been seen outside of TFT. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 15:10, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Maybe split this into two templates - major and important characters. "Important" list would be longer and less restrictive, including characters who are still important, at least for their races - like Sen'jin, Halduron or Garithos - but couldn't be considered major. What about this?
And "others" section would be good, as good as including C'Thun - one of the five guys who have major impact on Azeroth's prehistory. Severin Andrews 18:32, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
- That would clutter up the pages of major characters even further.
- Anyway, proposed criteria for "main character", each character will have to be examined:
- 1) Appears in multiple sources
- 2) Part of the story is told from their point of view
- C'Thun, I think would not be considered a "main character" because his personal story isn't one that's told a lot and he doesn't feature significantly enough.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:49, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
- They are responsible for nearly every problem in the Warcraft Universe, but usually do things indirectly or at a distance. There is little 'Hey look at me! Here is my backstory! I did this!' with them, except for C'Thun (who really only appears for a bit) and some in the WotA trilogy.--SWM2448 22:14, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
- I pass through human characters from the major characters list to see which suits the criteria:
- Arthas - RoC, TFT, Arthas, WoW
- Medivh - TLG, WC2, WC3
- Lothar - WC1, WC2, ToD
- Uther - WC2, WC3, ToD
- Khadgar - WC2:BDP, TLG, ToD, BtDP
- Jaina - WC3, CoH, WoW
- Aegwynn - TLG, CoH
- Kel'Thuzad - WC3, seperate story about him - "Road to Damnation"
- Varian Wrynn - Comic
- Tirion Fordring - Of Blood and Honor
- Rhonin - DotD, WotA, Night of the Dragon
- Not sure about king Terenas
All these are characters from two or more games/novels and should be on the template. Others, like Antonidas, Danath, are not so important in my opinion.Dakovski (talk) 13:44, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- I've tweaked a bit with your list if that's all right (revert if you want) Terenas, Antonidas, Danath, maybe on a separate list for major supporting characters? They're quite important and prominent lore-wise (Antonidas was apparently a sleeper hit in terms of popularity). I also quibble with Fordring, but now that I think about it, he is one of first paladins. I'd also approve:
- Turalyon- WC2x, ToD, BtDP
- Maybe we should organize by race instead of just faction?-Ragestorm (talk · contr) 13:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- Here are my two cents. Firstly, if we listed every major character by race, it may take up slightly more space then the existing template, and some races have very few major heroes or major characters. However, there are several characters that do not quite fit into a faction that is listed (e.g akama isn't truly illidari) So this method may help. ANd about which characters should be in the template. Here's an idea. We put a vote on every hero's talk page who may have a place on the template, and we vote to see if they should be on here.Warden Shadowsong (talk) 14:03, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- Nice idea but that's going to take too long, and just because a character is popular doesn't mean that they're a main character, see the aforementioned Antonidas, and Rommath. Re the races, I think we could order by faction, then by race, though just by race would work, too.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- Do you think that there should only be certain people, like bookkeepers who should be able to make changes to the template, and that they should decide it all? Seeing as you lot have probably the best understanding of characters, you would know best if someone should be on the list or not, and would also not be biased towards popular or against less well know but just as important characters.Warden Shadowsong (talk) 20:17, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- The Bookeepers are being overhauled as well, so this discussion is open to anyone who has an opinion. The template is now sysop-only protection, I'd like to leave that indefinetly to prevent people from adding whatever characters they like the most. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:33, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Here's my suggestions, since it's uneditable. Add Tirion Fordring to Alliance. One of the first Paladins, now wields the Ashbringer, Arthas seems to think he's important, leader of the argent crusde, had his own book, etc... Remove Terenas (or add the other kings, which i don't recommend). Remove Aegwyn. Remove Rommath, maybe Halduron too, and Sen'jin. Maybe add Magatha (robably not) and Garrosh and Liadrin. Change dragon aspects to just dragons and add Korialstrasz and maybe Kalecgos, maybe Onyxia too (lets see what the comic does with her first maybe). Change Ancients to Eternals (?) and add Azshara, remove Aviana, Aggmaggan, and the bear brothers. Move Medivh to that section. I'm not married to any of these ideas though, feel free to convince me otherwise.Warthok Talk Contribs 22:45, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
I disagree with adding Tirion to Alliance. Though he does favor Alliance, and he was part of the Alliance prior to helping Eitrigg in Blood and Honor, he is now Highlord of the Argent Crusade; a strictly neutral faction, that takes both Alliance and Horde help (though, I have to admit, a lot of the earlier quests that give Argent Crusade rep are Alliance-only).
Personally, I think we should make a "Neutral" section, then add notable neutral characters to that (such as Tirion Fordring or Darion Mograine; they're not Dragon Aspects, but they're not Horde or Alliance either, so making a new neutral section would make sense).
It's a kinda dumb idea, I know, but it's worth consideration I think. Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart (talk) 20:16, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
- A neutral faction section might work, but that depends on how many characters we can add that we can consider "major characters", which is part of our original issue. How many besides Tirion.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 21:29, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
- Quite a few of may have a arguement or two in favor of Alliance (one Horde), but lets see: Khadgar, Maiev, Malfurion, Medivh, Rhonin, Garona.
Azshara again
I think they should put Azshara in the Ancient row, it is even mentioned in its own article that shes an Ancient. (A with mayus) --Andersmusician$ 06:01, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I just want to note that Azshara's link points to the region, which I think it should not. CzB (talk) 17:54, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Brann Bronzebeard
I think we should add Brann Bronzebeard to the list. He's got the template on his page, and he apparently was the one who wrote the Warcraft RPG books (WoW-wise, anyways). If writing a great deal of books that are used as citations doesn't make you a main character, I don't know what does. Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart (talk) 02:11, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
- I would disagree because of his late appearance and little involvement in the the overall storyline- though he's had lot's of adventures, he hasn't really done anything lore-making. On the other hand, I'd agree because of the sheer volume of his writings. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 03:03, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Putress
I vote Putress be added. Although he was a late character to be added, his actions caused massive ramifications having killed Bolvar, aiding Varimathras in taking UC and obviously building the New Plague. I'd assume he would be a Horde character like how Varimathras is at the moment technically. Blue Ranger (talk) 03:23, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Garrosh Hellscream
I vote Garrosh Hellscream be added. Not only is he the son of Grom Hellscream, but he is also a major character in the Hero of the Mag'har quest chain, and also the leader of the Warsong Offensive. Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart (talk) 03:31, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
- I was thinking the same, though my reasons for him being added is that his story is expanded from his introduction as a man ashamed of his father's actions and in learning of his father's redemption he takes pride in his family name. His status as lord of the Warsong Offensive is a facter combined with his later attitude that show cases his fury and the fact that his previous sense of shame has prevented him from learning from his father's actions makes him an interesting character. --Sairez (talk) 21:12, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Of course though, the only people who can edit this template seem to have abandoned its discussion page. I asked for Garrosh to be added right before 2009 came, and I'm only NOW being responded to in February, and by someone who can't edit it. Same's more or less going on with Putress ('cept no one's answered it yet).
Admins, if any of you see this, PLEASE don't abandon this page. I'd like it if you at least CONSIDERED the ideas on here. If it's not good, that's fine, if it is, well then it SHOULD be added here. Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart (talk) 20:11, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
- I'll add Garrosh, but not Putress, and I'd like more opinions on Brann --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 21:24, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Alliance Suggestions
Magni held significant importance during the Second and Third Wars and made Ashbringer. Brann fought during the Second War, has befriended nearly every race and plays a vital role in discovering the origins of his brethren. Bolvar ruled Stormwind for several years, helped Varian return to his throne and waged war against the Lich King. Blue Ranger (talk) 01:13, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Some suggestions...
Much like Blue Ranger before me, I believe Brann Bronzebeard should be on this list. As should the Old Gods - while it can be argued that individually they (Yogg-Saron, C'thun)) do not belong on this list, the Old Gods as a collective whole have had major influences on the development of Azeroth and the mortal races and as of late have been being brought more into the spotlight as major antagonists in the world of Warcraft. They should at least be under Ancients/Eternals. --Nihil Morari (talk) 22:15, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I can see why admin are having a hard time deciding if Brann should be added. Its mostly because WotLK was Branns first appearence in Video Media and was first mentioned by Murodin in Warcraft III.
But enough about that, hes seen in the Secerts of Ulduar, leading an assult on Ulduar and discovering Yogg-Sarons awakened and what not. I vote Brann should be added, I believe he deserves a spot on the Main Character Template.
Maybe you could even add High Overlord Saurfang( forgot how to spell his first name, but i'll check the page again later)--
Maelstrong 22:45, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Wasn't I the one who suggested Brann?
I've been forgotten... /sniffle Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart (talk) 01:58, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
- Initially you were, and since then, your proposal had had a corpus of support for a suggestion I think has merit. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 13:54, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
If a neutrel section is created Rhonin, Tirion Fordring, Darion Mograine and possibly Khadgar should at least be on there (But I strongly disagree with Khadgar). I also disagree with Brann and Jaina.
Jaina rules an Alliance capital and is apart of the Grand Alliance. She may be on better terms with the Horde but she is still Alliance. Blue Ranger (talk) 22:52, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Varimathras
shouldnt Varimathras be moved to Burning Legion? On the major characters page hes listed only in Burning Legion and we discover that he was still with the burning legion even after he "joined" sylvanas. Plus he never really did anything that helped the horde at all, the Wrathgate and Battle for Undercity says it all.--Maelstrong 19:56, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
- Let's not discuss the major characters page for now... But yes, I suppose it's fair to move him to Burning Legion.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 13:55, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Azshara...AGAIN
As another person stated prior, the Azshara on this template points to the region, even though it should point to Azshara herself. 
Big, furry, and insane (Have a conversation with the homocidal furry!) (Come and stalk me! ...No, wait, please don't.) 03:26, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
- Perhaps the region is the Eternal!
- Or not. Fixed and alphabetized.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 17:53, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Spelling
The "Warcraft Universe" part should be spelled "Warcraft universe". Rolandius 
(talk - contr) 09:32, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Genn Greymane
Well, he leads the Worgen/Gilneas(confirmed from the official), he was established in Warcraft 2, starred in multiple novels and is a faction leader. Blue Ranger (talk) 23:06, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
- I would not say he "starred" in multiple novels. He was certainly mentioned several times.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:09, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, that's true. and he was a little on the side-lines through most of the "Big Events". But he was an original Alliance Leader and will be a Current Leader, plus the main site says they're building him into a main character (at least for the expansion), he's arguably one of the few Alliance characters that's been in the lore for a while that hasn't died or turned evil. Blue Ranger (talk) 23:21, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
- I'd say his inclusion based on faction leaderness and website mention, and his history is enough, I wouldn't oppose it. If we do add him, should it be now, or after Cataclysm is released? It may seem silly to wait, but he isn't in-game. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:41, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I'd vote now. Cataclysm readers and fans will be going to be his article frequently, it'll be nice to show people there's a list of high-profile characters who play a role in the universe. Blue Ranger (talk) 20:10, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Neutral Characters
Lore Characters are one of the most pivitol aspects in Warcraft, however many importent characters choose a Neutral-alighnment over the Alliance and Horde. Tirion Fordring and Darion Mograine are probably good examples of this. So I suggest below the Alliance and Horde section to create a 'Neutral" catagory. This will help Wowwiki readers with reading on lore characters. Blue Ranger (talk) 20:33, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
- I agree on principle, but you've begun to touch upon why the template was locked in the first place- it's rather subjective as to who should be considered a main character and placed on this template. While I'd agree to Tirion Fordring, I wouldn't agree with Darion. Addendum: if we do add a neutral section then several characters would be moved. to reflect more current alignments.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 00:35, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
