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| + | The '''Council of Three Hammers''' is the regency that rules the [[Ironforge|Kingdom of Ironforge]] following the [[World of Warcraft: Cataclysm|Cataclysm]] and the petrification of King [[Magni Bronzebeard]]. The Council is so named because it is comprised of representatives from each of the three [[dwarf|dwarven]] clans of the [[Eastern Kingdoms]]: |
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| + | *the [[Bronzebeard clan]] by Magni's brother [[Muradin Bronzebeard]] |
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| + | *the [[Wildhammer clan]] by [[Kurdran Wildhammer]] (earlier builds featured [[Falstad Wildhammer]] instead) |
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| + | *the [[Dark Iron clan]] by Magni's daughter [[Moira Thaurissan]], the widow of [[Dagran Thaurissan|Emperor Dagran Thaurissan]], as queen-regent to her son [[Fenran]]. |
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| − | |} ''Again, welcome!'' --[[User:Warchiefthrall|Warchiefthrall]] ([[User talk:Warchiefthrall|talk]]) 09:49, 28 June 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | == WC3 info == |
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| − | I am not against your mass adding of Warcraft III information, on the contrary, I am all for it, but can you please keep it slightly separate from other information (RPG, WoW, ect.) and add proper citation to it using {{t|Ref game}}? Thank you.--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 23:44, 19 October 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | :Ok, no problem, i will use that template if you want. I'll see my contribution and try to cite everything i have added. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos#top|talk]]) 00:05, 20 October 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | == Fanart == |
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| − | Re your question, the general convention is that fanart is all right on a page as long as it isn't in an infobox or headlining. If massive amounts of fanart are being posted (and we usually only reproduce fanart Blizzard has already displayed), a separate gallery (see [[Sylvanas Windrunner]] as an example) can be created. In the case of [[Scourge]], however, I think it's fine to leave it there for now, as it's the only one on the page.--[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 21:50, 21 November 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | :Ok, thanks for the answer Ragestorm, I didn't knew about that. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos#top|talk]]) 22:15, 21 November 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | == The Citations == |
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| − | Ohh ok. But I'm still not sure how to add it. |
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| − | == Thanks == |
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| − | Thanks for the help |
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| − | --[[User:Crimsonknight17|Crimsonknight17]] ([[User talk:Crimsonknight17|talk]]) 07:08, 1 December 2008 (UTC)Crimsonknight17 |
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| − | *Thanks for the help with Notable humans! [[User:Seric 22|Seric 22]] |
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| − | ==Fix link== |
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| − | Cool! I missed that. [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Talk">talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Contributions">contr</span>]])</small> 11:25, 14 January 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ==Dog citations== |
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| − | The jackal and wild dog are cited at the top of the page.{{cite|MGWS|9}} The sentence is a bit wrong I think as the source does not say "They include small wild canines including, coyotes, jackals, and wild dogs." but says that coyotes, jackals, and wild dogs can use the same stats as a dog if you want. Unless that is supposed to mean they are dogs? I don't think so. As for the white hound, I am not sure who added it or where it comes from. [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Talk">talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Contributions">contr</span>]])</small> 11:36, 14 January 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :Thank you for the answer, then I will add the citations to the jackals and wild dogs to avoid confusion, also thanks to the rename you made to the article they can be included. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos#top|talk]]) 17:51, 15 January 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | == Warcraft 3 quests == |
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| − | Include any information you have about them in their respective campaign articles. {{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 23:05, 25 January 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Ok, I didn't knew if it was right to leave them in the mission article or make their own article. Now on I will add the quest to their mission acticle. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos#top|talk]]) 00:08, 26 January 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | == "The Betrayer" image == |
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| − | I just checked the Sons of the Storm... though it resembles Sargeras more than Kil'jaeden. |
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| − | :Maybe what we can do is to make an article for [[The Deceiver]], I remember seeing some mobs and places in WoW with that title and then we can add that image. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos#top|talk]]) 04:08, 4 February 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | == 3rd hand citations == |
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| − | Regarding your comment about adding citations for [[Sylvanas Windrunner]], I understand your perspective, but technically citing content that points to pages on WoWWiki is actually worse, if those pages don't have references themselves. [[BlizzPlanet]] is a [[Blizz]]ard authorized lore source. If you're going to point to pages at WoWWiki as sources, like [[The Dark Lady]], those pages need to have external source citations and refs. --[[Image:gengar orange 22x22.png]] [[User:Fandyllic|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Fandyllic</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Fandyllic|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Fandyllic|contr]])</small> 1:03 PM PST 29 Mar 2009 |
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| − | :Ok. After cheking blizzplanet I see that you're right, if we link to Blizzplanet in the missions articles the people can see the full transcript of the mission that wowwiki lacks. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos#top|talk]]) 20:46, 29 March 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ::I'm not saying that you should link to Blizzplanet articles, but if you link to local WoWWiki articles, make sure they link to Blizzplanet or somewhere that might be considered an external source. My concern with your refs were that some of them pointed to missing articles or articles without external sources. You do good stuff, so keep doing it. --[[Image:gengar orange 22x22.png]] [[User:Fandyllic|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Fandyllic</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Fandyllic|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Fandyllic|contr]])</small> 4:25 PM PST 29 Mar 2009 |
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| − | :::Yeah, I think I get it. My mistake was that I sourced a link that hadn't the information cited and even red links. Next time I'll check if it is linked to an external link with the transcription of the mission and if it doesn't have I will add it. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos#top|talk]]) 04:16, 30 March 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | == Link == |
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| − | Thanks for the link correction, I missed that one I guess. [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Talk">talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Contributions">contr</span>]])</small> 05:57, 30 March 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | == Loot Tables == |
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| − | If you're referring to the loot tables for the Black Temple trash mobs, then I removed them because: |
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| − | * They were out of date compared to the data from other websites. |
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| − | * They didn't drop any noticeable unique loot (trash epics don't count because most of the trash mobs there can drop the same loot). |
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| − | * If the table was to be updated, it would require an immense amount. For example, Wowhead.com has records of the [[Aqueous Lord]] dropping roughly 200 items. And since the values would constantly keep changing, I figured there was no point in keeping them. |
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| − | I'm sory if you feel like I messed it up, but I thought it was appropriate to remove. Hope you understand. [[User:Reddwarf1928|Reddwarf1928]] <small>([[User talk:Reddwarf1928|<span title="Reddwarf1928's Talk">talk</span>]])</small> 03:52, 31 March 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | : Ok, thanks for the explanation, if they were out of date then I think you made the right thing. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos#top|talk]]) 04:10, 31 March 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ==Lost ones== |
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| − | Ok we have a problem, and its not your fault as best I can tell. Basically what's happened is that huge sections of information have been stripped from the article, info relating to Lands of Conflict and Manual of Monsters. Citations have been broken, and information has been taken out of context of those sources. Ok, while the info from those sources and some of the other Harborage quests don't overlap perfectly, part of this has to do with the fact that Lands of Conflict and Manual of Monsters was discussing the Fallow Sanctuary Lost Ones, not the Harborage. It was discussing the crazy ones only, they had enough sense to be able to call themselves "Lost Ones" but not enough sanity to interact with other races peacefully. They were violent and aggressive attacking anyone (obviously not the Harborage draenei). Basically someone came by stripped out the details and tried to merge the two accounts, without the understanding that previous source wasn't even touching on Harborage history. The info needs to be reinserted, citations fixed, and seperated into seperate sections if need be. Essentially the same situation that occurred [[centaur]] and [[Man'ari eredar]] pages. I suppose since the LoC and MoM info was specifically categorized under "draenei" it should probably be moved to a subsection of that article, with links back to the lost ones article, and only the "Lost Ones" specific referenced inserted in that article.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 22:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :I see, you have made a good solution by adding the another background in the draenei article, moving Draenei Lost Ones to just Lost Ones and Broken draenei to just Broken would also help to clarify everything, and I suggest a final solution, we can also separte the tribe called Lost Ones from the race with the same name; something similar to what I made with [[Tuurem]] and [[Tuurem (Lost Ones)]]. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos#top|talk]]) 23:18, 3 May 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ::Ok, one more issue can "Lost one" be lower case? Most examples that I can find its in an npc title. Lost Ones could get its own page I suppose, but I'm not sure there is enough info for more than a stub... and stubs should be avoided.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 23:26, 3 May 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :::MoM and LoC put uppercase, and all of the quests I checked in WoW are also uppercase. And about the stub, I can work in it, if you want I can start with information of LoC and MoM and then update it with the quests of WoW. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos#top|talk]]) 23:41, 3 May 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :::Ok, if you think there is enough to make an article, go ahead. [[Lost Ones]], should suffice (use inpage disambig).[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 23:55, 3 May 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | == Thanks == |
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| − | Thanks for the tip :) [[User:RalOrtTal|RalOrtTal]] ([[User talk:RalOrtTal|talk]]) 04:01, 4 May 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | == RE: Aprendix 3 == |
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| − | I'm combining all the texts into one single article. Don't worry, the information will be back. --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 18:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :Ok, thanks for the answer. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos#top|talk]]) 18:25, 26 May 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Appendix Three again: I'm sorry about that; I realized that the way you formatted it was the best way and I take no credit in reverting it to your version. I added the {{t|tocright}} template to it instead of your Table of Contents solution, and instead shortened down the deamons header. --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 10:54, 15 June 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | == Braelyn Firehand == |
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| − | In [[Quest:Cenarius' Legacy]], she mentions being from [[Jaedenar]] and a "master", so she appears to be one of the Shadow Council.--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 01:58, 31 May 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :How could I miss that?! Sorry for that and thanks for the source :) [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos#top|talk]]) 02:09, 31 May 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | == RE: Refgame template == |
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| − | I don't know about you, but I think that using the template for information from World of Warcraft is redundant; as you know this is wiki is mostly about World of Warcraft, it would be usually used for information from the RTS games and others. --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 15:26, 31 May 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :More or less, yes. --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 15:43, 31 May 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | == Kael'thas' Forces == |
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| − | "Defeated by heros of Outland"? Will there be another page saying he dragged himself off to [[Magisters Terrace]] then? Other than that, yay for the new page. [[User:TherasTaneel|TherasTaneel]] ([[User talk:TherasTaneel|talk]]) 00:43, 22 June 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | == Just a note == |
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| − | Do not forget that "Warmaul clan/tribe" is not a "proper name". When you create the article with this name, you create the article "tribe" under the namespace "Warmaul clan". |
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| − | {{User:A'noob/sig}} 22:38, 23 June 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :Yes, I noticed it shortly after I moved it. Sorry for the problems. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos#top|talk]]) 22:44, 23 June 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ::[[Orcish / Common Dictionary]]. {{=)}}--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 22:48, 23 June 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :::Yep, It should go for a Orcish-Common Dictionary or something close to its in-game name. |
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| − | :::Because you got an un-needed "< Orcish" under it. Same for Common / Orcish Dictionary. |
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| − | :::{{User:A'noob/sig}} 22:50, 23 June 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | You ask about what i ment with WL2. That means Warcraft: Legends Volume 2, more exacly Miles to Go. [[User:Noobi666|Noobi666]] ([[User talk:Noobi666|talk]]) 11:58, 27 June 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | why did you delete the night elves from the "other races" section of the [[burning legion]] when it clearly shows in the "command structure" section a night elve?- grumbletroll |
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| − | As written on [[Illidan_Stormrage_(tactics)#Quotes]], Akama says after you kill Illidan: "The Light will fill these dismal halls once again. I swear it." hinting he took control of the Temple. I have never done the raid myself, and I doubt it becomes a friendly place afterwards, but it seems that he is the new master. Is it speculation?--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 22:17, 9 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :I see, neither I have done it, well I think it's basically telling what was put in the article. But I think it should be added back with the {{[[Template:Ref game|Ref game]]}} template, specifing this quote of Akama. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos#top|talk]]) 22:39, 9 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ::Hm... gOurra was against using ref game to cite WoW... Your thoughts?--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 22:42, 9 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :::I think that he was against using it just for quests, but not for quotes. I'm not sure about it though. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos#top|talk]]) 22:54, 9 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :::I think a normal "<nowiki><ref>[[Illidan_Stormrage_(tactics)#Quotes]]: "The Light will fill these dismal halls once again. I swear it."</ref></nowiki>" would suffice here. --{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 22:57, 9 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Done, I couldn't add the reference in the box at it's below the reflist, but I added the citation to the biography section. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos#top|talk]]) 23:24, 9 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ==Illidan== |
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| − | Demon is not a race. It is a creature type. I agree that he is a kind of demon, but that is not his race just like someone like [[Archimonde]]'s race is not demon. Illidan is a Night elf hybrid of something. That is like changing everyone with "Race=Human" to "Race=Humanoid" ins't it? [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Talk">talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Contributions">contr</span>]])</small> 05:14, 18 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :Yes, I realized this after cleaning up the demon article, the encyclopedia considers him an "Unique demon", so I'll add that to the articles. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos#top|talk]]) 19:49, 18 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | == RE: Removing captain and lady words == |
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| − | Not only, but all, many exemple already existed, I'm just keeping up. :) |
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| − | {{User:A'noob/sig}} 19:27, 21 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | == permaban discussion == |
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| − | Wierd... Usually I get a "you are stomping on someone else's edit" message. I didn't get one that time. Fortunately, SWM saw it. --[[User:Eirik Ratcatcher|Eirik Ratcatcher]] ([[User talk:Eirik Ratcatcher|talk]]) 23:29, 21 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :Earliest ratcatcher edit: Feb 1 2007. "But that's not important right now." - {{wplink|Airplane!}} --[[User:Eirik Ratcatcher|Eirik Ratcatcher]] ([[User talk:Eirik Ratcatcher|talk]]) 23:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ::About the first commentary, very strange indeed, I hadn't noticed but just thanks to SWM who saw it and corrected it quickly. About the earliest edit I didn't knew, as the welcoming wasn't automatic at that time the date isn't accurate, thanks for the clarification. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos#top|talk]]) 23:42, 21 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :::No worries. And, I don't know that the welcoming is automatic even today. Pcj might know. --[[User:Eirik Ratcatcher|Eirik Ratcatcher]] ([[User talk:Eirik Ratcatcher|talk]]) 23:55, 21 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | There is no "real" difference from using <nowiki>"<br>"</nowiki> and <nowiki>"<br />"</nowiki> |
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| − | The second one comes from XHTML, the last norm of web programming: an opened tag must be closed, but br is an opening and a closing tag, so it gives a <nowiki>"<br />"</nowiki>. That's why it's the form to use. Now <nowiki>"<br>"</nowiki> works, because HTML (old one) has been built to be '''very''' permissive. |
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| − | Being a programmer myself, that's why you see me switch one for another quite often xD |
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| − | {{User:A'noob/sig}} 21:19, 24 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :Grr! conversations in two places... I suppose for immediate feedback, it works, but every now and then you get a goob like me... --[[User:Eirik Ratcatcher|Eirik Ratcatcher]] ([[User talk:Eirik Ratcatcher|talk]]) 22:59, 24 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | == Licensing fanfic == |
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| − | The fanfic wasn't a choice on the upload-licensing option so I didn't know it existed, do you know a list somewhere for which exist? [[User:TherasTaneel|TherasTaneel]] ([[User talk:TherasTaneel|talk]]) 23:37, 25 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ::and...by the way...even though people might do whatever to an image, isn't it always copyright of the original owner? [[User:TherasTaneel|TherasTaneel]] ([[User talk:TherasTaneel|talk]]) 23:41, 25 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :::I'm not sure about this. I just knew that it had to be marked as fanfic but about the copyright I don't know. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos#top|talk]]) 16:47, 26 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | == What is it? == |
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| − | Do you know what this creature is called? [[Image:ss018.gif]] The Far Seer in Warcraft III can use the spell "Feral Spirit" to summon a Spirit Wolf, Dire Wolf, or Shadow Wolf depending on level. The confusing part is that none of those three are blue like in that image, yet the image is on the same entry as Feral Spirit. [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Talk">talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Contributions">contr</span>]])</small> 04:55, 27 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | == Pluralization == |
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| − | They can be if it is the name of their clan, tribe, race, etc. For example, Blizzard says "Dark Irons", Wildhammers", Bronzebeards", etc. when speaking of them in sentences in lore. [[User:Rolandius|Rolandius]] [[Image:Paladin.gif|25px]] <small>([[User talk:Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Talk">talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rolandius|<span title="Rolandius's Contributions">contr</span>]])</small> 03:55, 2 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | == Picture == |
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| − | Hi, I actually don't remember exactly where I got it, but I do remember it was somewhere on the blizzard.com/blizzcon/ page. {{unsigned|Rgelera}} |
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| − | == Night Elf vs. Troll argument == |
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| − | I understand your point, and I don't want to get banned either |
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| − | But I warn you, if this develops into a debate war, we could have a problem ;P |
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| − | On the same page that you sent me, it also provides a Night Elf opposing argument. On the page that I sent you is conflicting information, which means that it could be the fault of Blizzard, and neither of us. On the page discussing the Furbolgs, it says that they originally shared the forest with Night Elves, bringing us further back in time, past the time of the Titans, possibly. The reason why this is possible is because there is no sure date for the creation of the Night Elves, and the first Sundering is only described as 10,000 years before Warcraft I. The Well of Eternity page states that the old gods sapped energy from the well (according to some sources, of course), so it is a possibility. The Troll page says that the creation of the Night Elves from the Trolls is a theory that ultimately has not been proven. |
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| − | P.S. Sorry for the earlier post. I forgot to make a new title. |
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| − | P.S.2 There is no evidence (from Blizzard or elsewhere) that the Trolls were Nocturnal. {{unsigned|Ding!}} |
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| − | :There's no evidence that they ''weren't'' and changed their habits. Blizzard has deliberately left the whole issue ambiguous. Neither of you are on track for a ban, but continued hostilities will result in such an action. |
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| − | :Incidentally, the general race descriptions have since all been contradicted or retconned. Generally, the newest lore, even when it isn't explicitly stated, overrides the old one, though errors do happen. --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 23:58, 27 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | == Cenarius == |
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| − | Didn't someone confirm that while the Tauren think they were the first, the night elves were ''actually'' the first? Then again, someone probably retconned that out later...--[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 00:03, 28 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :Now that you mention it I remember, it is the citation in the Cenarius article, here is the link: [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=43884861&pageNo=4&sid=1]. Maybe the tauren article needs some changes, but I don't have any of the War of the Ancient Trilogy books, so I can't help much. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos#top|talk]]) 00:20, 28 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ::No mention or indication of Tauren druids in WotA. They basically show up with no discussion on classes or culture. The only major druidic contradiction is that it's the only source that suggests Malfurion is not the first mortal druid (Cenarius mentions others), while most others agree that he was either the first ever or the first night elf druid. I think the Tauren having earlier druids might have been an RPG addition that was rectified in a blue post or something. --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 01:15, 28 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :::Ok, so the novel doesn't bring much info. I'll see if I can source and change that section to make it more consice. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos#top|talk]]) 06:02, 29 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | == If what you posted is correct... == |
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| − | Then this pushes the origins of the Night Elves further back in time, or pushes the evolution of Druidism forward in time, making it one (if not the) newest form of Magic in World of Warcraft. |
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| − | Blizzard really needs to get their lore straight. {{unsigned|Ding!}} |
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| − | :Well, I can tell that the info I put is sourced, so, it should technically be considered correct; but, as all people, I can made mistakes. |
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| − | :And I don't really get what you were trying to say about the newest magic in World of Warcraft; I'm not sure if it is, but I don't think that this is contradicted in any other source. If you are talking about the night elf-tauren first to known druidism retcon that's what I am talking about with Ragestorm in the above discussion. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos#top|talk]]) 06:02, 29 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | == In response == |
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| − | On clicking the Kaldorei link, it mentioned that they could be Dark Elves (non trolls), and early concept maps had "Dark Elf Lands" near mount Hyjal. Also, a fourth elven dialect is spoken on Mount Hyjal. I'll just let you read it: [[Dark elf]] |
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| − | Also, from an evolutionary standpoint, the Trolls do not posess noticeable Night Vision, like the Night elves, and seemingly the Draenei (sorry if I spell Draenei wrong, their name confuses me). On top of that, some changes were just too extreme to happen (2 toes and 3 fingers to 5 and 5? Really...) Also, I have read that the Trolls do indeed worship a Sun God, and the Night Elves do not. {{unsigned|Ding!}} |
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| − | :Dark elves are almost certainly an earlier developmental name for the night elves- there is no way of reliably including them in any major lore theories. The changes wrought to turn troll into night elf could quite easily have been that extreme; recall that the Well of Eternity is essentially ''liquid magic''- there's no way of knowing what it could do. Night elves don't worship a sun god, but trolls do, so they can't be related? By that logic, the Romans cannot be considered a part of western civilization because they worshipped a sun god and modern western nations don't. Religious and cultural practices are rarely a good indicator of what cultures led into others. --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 20:30, 28 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ::Well, Ragesmtorm is very complete, I just like to add that I had read the dark elf article long ago, but didn't add that info to the discussion for the reason Ragestorm said. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos#top|talk]]) 06:02, 29 August 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | == Forsaken using the light == |
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| − | (my bad on the signing) |
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| − | The official source stating that the forsaken "cannot use the light" is the RPG |
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| − | None of the source you listed are official |
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| − | [1] At what point does it say that the npc is using the light? It is a holy priest (forgotten shadow). |
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| − | [2] Healing =/= using the light. Again using the forgotten shadow to heal him. No where does it say you are using "the light" to heal the npc. Re-read the forgotten shadow article. It talks about knowing the light many times. This simply means learning about the virtues of the light and the healing arts. It also explicitly says forsaken cannot use the light, they just learn of it. |
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| − | [3]TGC is not an official source. They can do whatever then want in it. |
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| − | If you want to specifically counter info with a cited official source you had better use one of your own. I will continue to delete that line until you can show me where any official Blizzard source says "Forsaken can use the light". [[User:Pyrolight|Pyrolight]] ([[User talk:Pyrolight|talk]]) 23:54, September 2, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | == Changed to meet in the middle == |
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| − | You misunderstand what "knowing the light means". It is stated in the "Forgotten Shadow" article as understanding the nature of it. Never does it say understanding means using. The Forsaken heal through the forgotten shadow. You are basically saying one bar of the information contradicts the other. That doesn't make sense. You can't have the forsaken using the light to heal, then in the same article it saying they can't use it at all. |
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| − | As I say you have to show where in that quest text is says using. As example. I could understand Islam, doesn't mean I believe in it or practice (use) it. |
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| − | I left the last source as fair is fair but I did qualify that it is not considered canonical. |
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| − | Mainly I just don't want people saying "look here is proof the forsaken can use the light" and it's official (when it is not) and also when there is a cited official source saying no they cannot. |
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| − | [[User:Pyrolight|Pyrolight]] ([[User talk:Pyrolight|talk]]) 00:04, September 3, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Why are you not using the Orcish crest but a 3-D Orc in the portrait? [[User:BobNamataki|BobNamataki]] ([[User talk:BobNamataki|talk]]) 19:34, October 3, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | This isnt [[Elite Footman]] [[Image:Elite Footman face.jpg]] or this [[Image:Elite Footman.jpg]]. |
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| − | I dont know where you see these elite footman. |
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| − | [http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/4387/wc3scrnshot101009215918.jpg Real elite footman]. |
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| − | I think that portrait is form Admiral's Elite Guard or image of Capitan Thornby as he was stationed outside of Vol'jin's new base camp. [[User:Snake011|Snake011]] ([[User talk:Snake011|talk]]) 21:30, October 10, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Yes agread. There are 2 tipes of these solgers in 2 maps. So i will use them bought in artice. [[User:Snake011|Snake011]] ([[User talk:Snake011|talk]]) 21:57, October 10, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Hi Benitoperezgaldos. I see that icons on page. Those are same icons joined together as Hero's have them on [[Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos]] and [[Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne]]. I just refreshing them for best qualitlity since i notice that many users use pictures with low quality on pages. [[User:Snake011|Snake011]] ([[User talk:Snake011|talk]]) 18:13, October 11, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ::I am having trouble finding 2 of abilityes so since you are helping me add this ability icon [http://classic.battle.net/war3/nightelf/units/keepergrove.shtml Force of Nature] in [[Cenarius#Statistics_of_Cenarius_at_Level_10_from_Warcraft_III|Cenarius]] and this |
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| − | [http://classic.battle.net/war3/undead/units/shade.shtml True Sight] in [[Magtheridon/W3 Stats]]. Tks again [[User:Snake011|Snake011]] ([[User talk:Snake011|talk]]) 02:26, October 12, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | "This image is from the continent, not of the world." Which was known to be Azeroth at that time. But it's been moved to the Eastern Kingdoms‎ maps instead. [[User:TherasTaneel|TherasTaneel]] ([[User talk:TherasTaneel|talk]]) 18:12, October 23, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :The reason that I removed that image is because, if we start adding images like that, then it would become like before I separate the articles and people would then merge them again when they are supposed to be different things. Besides, we don't really know what does that image intended to be, as Azeroth was only used for the kingdom and not for the world nor the Eastern Kingdoms in ''Warcraft: Orcs & Humans''. I suggest to move it to the article about the kingdom of Azeroth as Orcs & Humans actually refered to the kingdom and not to the other terms. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos#top|talk]]) 18:26, October 23, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | ::hmm, you're probably right, either note the kingdom of Azeroth in the image discription in its current location, or move it, you decide. [[User:TherasTaneel|TherasTaneel]] ([[User talk:TherasTaneel|talk]]) 18:36, October 23, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | Thanks with the assistance on my page Server:Bloodscalp US/Talvok in fixing those Links. [[User:TeeSon5|TeeSon5]] ([[User talk:TeeSon5|talk]]) |
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| − | One question...are you just guessing that all of those users were referring to the planet when they linked to Azeroth? Don't see any reason to change it for them unless you know for sure. Thanks. --{{User:Pcj/sig}} 20:37, November 13, 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :I know it's not really my place to barge in on a conflict that I have nothing to do with. However, I've somewhat reviewed these changes and they seem, to me, proper-- proper of course referring to the fact that specific usage of Azeroth meant the planet and he rightfully corrected it. However, I am not the authors of these pages so I wouldn't know 100%; I am just going by assumptions and common sense. Thats my 2 cents. [[User:TeeSon5|TeeSon5]] ([[User talk:TeeSon5|talk]]) 01:26, November 17, 2009 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 15:50, 12 October 2010
Template:Stub/Cataclysm The Council of Three Hammers is the regency that rules the Kingdom of Ironforge following the Cataclysm and the petrification of King Magni Bronzebeard. The Council is so named because it is comprised of representatives from each of the three dwarven clans of the Eastern Kingdoms:
- the Bronzebeard clan by Magni's brother Muradin Bronzebeard
- the Wildhammer clan by Kurdran Wildhammer (earlier builds featured Falstad Wildhammer instead)
- the Dark Iron clan by Magni's daughter Moira Thaurissan, the widow of Emperor Dagran Thaurissan, as queen-regent to her son Fenran.
Council of the Three Hammers as of build 12319
In build 12539, Kurdran replaces Falstad
Moira Thaurissan and her son Fenran
In build 12942, the table was replaced by three thrones for each councilman
| Preceded by: Magni Bronzebeard (as Lord of Ironforge) |
Position: Ruler of Khaz Modan (as Regent to Fenran) 
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Succeeded by: Incumbent |