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Template {{Patched}}

I do not know if you know this but you are using comment= when you should be using note= in {{patched}}

Patch 1.2.3 (???): Note.

Comment.
-- (M o r p h | ^C | _T)

21:24, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

For the timbermaw patches, I think I am violating both conventions: the 3.0.2 boost was undocumented (thus comment, not note); and the 2.2.0 boost was actual text (which I paraphrased). If you are interested, please feel free to correct me. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:27, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps we need to clarify the doc, but I don't see why there's any reason that unofficial stuff can't be put in the {{patched}} template - I do that all the time and it seems appropriate. Obviously, if official notes are available, use those instead. I would (personally) use comment for stuff like this:

Patch 3.0.2 (2008-10-14): [Curious Wolvar Pup] added.

This item can be obtained via the Dalaran Children's Week quests.

Howbizr^(t·c) 1:26 PM, 12 Aug 2009 (EDT)

Sorry, afflicted with Meh. When you have 'note' or 'comment', the difference is whether what is listed is italicized or not. It is only when you have both in use that there is what I would consider a significant difference in display. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:15, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Frag belt

Whoops! I was editing them to test the {{proftip}} template, but I didn't mean to commit that way. You probably could have just changed it back without telling me. Howbizr^(t·c) 9:30 AM, 13 Aug 2009 (EDT)

Raiding and work this week

Yes they're BoE - type "vendor" here to see. Howbizr^(t·c) 11:14 PM, 19 Aug 2009 (EDT)

Should have requested a bot.

Howbizr^(t·c) 11:15 AM, 20 Aug 2009 (EDT)

Bot would have handled some of the work, but not all of it. And more, I'm finding sets of pages with 3 or 4 types of formatting. I've been standardizing some of that, when I'm not feeling overwhelmed by it all, or when the offenses are egregious. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 16:23, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

And by no means are all vendor sold gems BoE... --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 16:24, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

"Policing" own talk page

I hadn't known, so thanks. Hopefully that might clear up any similar embarassments that could've happened in the future >.<

Thanks again! Tripleblue52 (talk) 00:22, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Happy to help when I can. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:24, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: New gems footer

Here's is my feedback, based on looking at your version as well as {{gems}} and {{minerals}}. Howbizr^(t·c) 9:35 PM, 21 Aug 2009 (EDT)

Eirik: What is the difference between the "Cuttable Gems" and "Raw Gems" footer tables? I can't see a difference. Also, feel free to include pearls in all footers besides the just "Minerals" one.

Howbizr: I like your layout and ideas, but I don't like how you are using the title "Gems" for all your tables.

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Fandyllic (talk · contr) 9:10 PM PST 21 Aug 2009

Fandyllic: The intent was that the "not from mining" gems (pearls, epic gems) would be present only for the "cuttable" gems footer. My sandbox template was not functioning. Working on it, though.

Howbizr: I'll put more comments on your gems page; my comments here were beginning to spin out of control.--Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Stub PTR

{{Stub/PTR|<3.2.0>}} is over and, per the wording of the stub, needed to be changed to what they were when the PTR ended: Items, Achievements, Mobs, NPC's, etc. - I did not remove any that were {{Stub/PTR|<3.2.2>}}. I checked to make sure they were in game before I removed them. And all of my changes are ALL in a roughly 2- 3 hour span last night and are clearly labeled "Removed {{Stub/PTR}}". -- I am just following the guidelines set up by wowwiki, get mad at them, not me. I feel the same away about auto categorizations - it is a DISSERVICE to the people that use categories to find things (that are not categorized - the tooltip will fix that because everything will become categorized properly not by a few categories you decide/remember to place, and a few categories I decide/remember, etc. This is the nature of a Wiki (as I was told ) -- (M o r p h | ^C | _T) MorphgnomeMorphdraenei 19:35, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Not upset at all, just stating what I was told by others and used examples as well. I have put your new stub on my watchlist and will stop making changes to the Category:Stubs/Upcoming Patch untill I see how the articles fit into that stub - then will go back an place my previously changed items into that stub (as they fit it). -- (M o r p h | ^C | _T)

19:48, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Using my Contributions link going back to when I started changing the {{Stub/PTR|<3.2.0>}} to the Achievement, NPC, Mob, Other stubs -- I think I have now updated them to the new {{stub/Updated|<3.2.0>}} other than the Gnomish Alarm-O-Bot since I seen you had updated it already. -- (M o r p h | ^C | _T)

23:44, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Heh, um yeah, otherwise, I would not have changed them all - Again! I was just following the guidelines laid out by WoWWiki on the stub usage. As I mentioned before - I was just stating what others have told me ( when I felt things were not done correctly, and used examples as well ) there was no ill-will towards what you said to me about changing them to {{Stub/Item}} or any of the other stubs, I tend to agree in that they will get lost in the other 7,051 items that are already using the {{Stub/Item}} alone as of this posting. -- (M o r p h | ^C | _T)

23:55, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess I effectively altered wowwiki policy there. Why I emphasized being BOLD. :) --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 00:06, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

The be BOLD is a useless policy here on wowwiki when you have admins that just UNDO what you do and do NOT give any explanation as to why - that is a major deterent, they should be BRAVE enough to explain why they reverted anything, and I am not just refering to Gourra, there are other, ACTIVE, admins, that do this as well. -- (M o r p h | ^C | _T)

00:30, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I condemn them for that when I encounter it. Remaining silent is providing opportunity to be abused. I don't often prevail, but I do often get answers. While I don't *like* being strident, it does have its uses. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Gladiator Set rename's

This is not about Moving pages (Renames) so redirects are not involved. This is about category paramaters used to group (alphabetize) articles in the category pages. Click on Category:World of Warcraft armor item sets to see the Dungeon sets, Tier # sets and Arena season sets ( before the A's ). I put them in Season# order, he was putting them in Name order (no way of knowing which is the newest set unless you just know the seasons). -- (M o r p h | ^C | _T) MorphgnomeMorphdraenei 20:17, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I do not see (eg) Deadly Gladiator's Battlegear under 'WoW armor item sets'. I don't even see the more generic "Deadly Gladiator armor sets" under that category. At this point, I'm not even sure if you're talking about categories or pages... --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I was talking about Article pages listed in the category (as I said we were never talking about sub-cateories this is about Category parameters used to group articles in the category pages). - They are listed in Season order within the Category (as the Tier and Dungeon pages are) vs in Alpha order, without the category parameter that is used to alphabetize articles inside of the categories.

Gladiator set is Season 1, Merciless Gladiator set is Season 2, Vengeful Gladiator set is Season 3, Brutal Gladiator set is Season 4, then Season 5 Gladiator set is made up of (Savage – Hateful – Deadly Gladiator sets), Season 6 Gladiator set is the Furious Gladiator set, Season 7 Gladiator set is the Relentless Gladiator set. (I did not name them or change the order of how they are named - I just grouped them so that they are in Season order) -- (M o r p h | ^C | _T)

23:48, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

To better understand what I am talking about"

Go to Merciless Gladiator set
Edit the page
Look at the Categories

Notice how it says [[Category:World of Warcraft armor item sets| Season1]] -- This is what we are talking about.

-- (M o r p h | ^C | _T)

23:55, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

Magelo

If you looked at all 4 of the names in favor of Magelo being added to the {{Elinks-item}} template - they were all created on the 28^th and 29^th just to vote in favor of adding it. -- (M o r p h | ^C | _T) MorphgnomeMorphdraenei 23:58, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

Probably same person you saying?

^(T•C) 01:20, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

Nope, but that is a possibility (I do not know if you can see the IP's but the Bureaucrats can/should be able to see that), I was just stating they made their accounts just to vote to have Magelo added to the {{Elinks-item}} template (no other contributions made to WoWWiki otherwise. -- (M o r p h | ^C | _T)

01:40, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

I had noted the date/time those accounts first edited. It was abundantly clear that they were new accounts, given that their first edits were for that one forum. However, given the time between submissions, it was also clear to me that they weren't *simple* astroturfing. Thus "more than likely, people who picked up a discussion on Magelo and came over here to vote". --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 13:26, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

Do we currently have a vote for new elinks? I was thinking of several candidates. There have been many times lately where I've been let down by both wowhead and thottbot, but found an item/object/spell on MMO Champion, Magelo, or WoWDB.

Howbizr^(t·c) 8:33 PM, 4 Sep 2009 (EDT)

Also... does anyone know why these votes passed, when they clearly lost (5 or more losing votes)? allakhazam and thottbot.

Howbizr^(t·c) 8:40 PM, 4 Sep 2009 (EDT)

The pages were updated by Psyker7, inverting the traditional decision form. Adys would be a good person to talk to about those votes, being the person to touch {{elinks-item}} closest to the vote time. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 16:13, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Why not?

WoWWiki:Requests for adminship.--SWM24 48 23:47, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

In some ways, it has been useful for me to *not* be an admin. I was able to provide some assistance to Rolandius when admins had tried and failed. And... I think Gourra and I are fairly incompatable. We agree to disagree, but I'd rather not be in "an even bargaining position". It's easier to break deadlocks this way. If folks really want me to be an admin, I'll put in a slip. But... --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 03:32, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Unabashed advertising

If you care to make a comment on this editing guideline, comments would be appreciated. Howbizr^(t·c) 2:21 PM, 23 Sep 2009 (EDT)

Professions

Go for it! It is useful but HORRID to look at -- (M o r p h | ^C | _T) MorphgnomeMorphdraenei 18:49, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

It looks great like you did it - links to where you can find whatever is not directly listed on the page. I see no fault (and you said go easy?)

-- (M o r p h | ^C | _T)

21:33, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

No objections from me on that conversion. -- (M o r p h | ^C | _T) MorphgnomeMorphdraenei 21:37, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Account security awareness

Do you still think that Account security awareness should be merged with Security Guide or Basic account security? I can restore it, but I do not know what to do with it. It turns out that {{Terminate}} is the same thing as {{Sd}}, not "the vote is over, I will delete it eventually".--SWM24 48 02:45, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Merging those articles is one of those "I should do this" sort of tasks; I was procrastinating. I still think that Basic account security needs rewritten, and perhaps merged with Security Guide (or at least crosslinked). Whatever was not duplicated in Account security awareness would go into that merge, but I don't really know how much that would be. Is there a time limit on restoring it? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:09, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

As far as I know, there is no time limit.--SWM24 48 20:39, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

...other than memory! --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:42, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Userboxes

Why don't you use userboxes? What's so bad about them? BobNamataki (talk) 10:47, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

I've seen some user pages that were practically taken over by them. And I've no real interest in maintaining them. But there's also the humor value: You might examine the code that implements that, as well as examining the structure of the notice... --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 17:23, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

Shop Smart

Regarding the Oracle egg on my essay, I suppose I meant that from when you buy it to when it becomes a cracked egg, it takes a full week's length of time between phases. Yes you are correct that once you have the "cracked" egg it can be opened right away. Though my reference was to the fact that once you buy the mysterious egg from the oracles you have to wait 1 week for it to turn into a cracked egg.

And thank you for pointing out my mistake on the reputation status on the egg, I will go back and change that to reflect it.

My article is written from the point of view that it will only show you what you can currently get in game in order to get your pet achievement. I do not list any pets you can no longer get, and I keep it updated to that purpose. I do list all the pets you can currently get because you can collect them with no order, many of them are available right away through vendors or auction houses.

However, as it is listed in shop smart, I do not list pets like lets say Stinky, who is a reward from the 50 pet achievement, therefore, you cannot use him for your 50 pet achievement, and my essay takes that into consideration.

Please let me know if there are others things I can improve on it.

Thalía

Alliance Ram Route

My bad; you are absolutely right, I meant 26 tokens, 13 runs. I will fix it right away. (Was late, was tired, probably should not have been editing.) Madkaugh (talk) 03:22, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Chef de Parti

Hi Erik,

I don't know who else to go to about this, seems you have a lot more knowledge then me here. I was trying to put some stuff in for the Achievement "Chef de Partie", but it was listed as red because there was no page for it yet. I tried adding it, but it wasn't coming out right so I deleted what I had put in. Now when I go to the Cooking Achievement list I don't even see it as an option without a page @.@ Please help >< I didn't mean to take it out of the list. It's supposed to be achievement number 1797 I believe.

Thalía

Thanks

Thank you Eirik for looking into the Chef de Partie issue for me, I thought I totally broke it. Ya it seemed the other achievements below it also didn't have pages so I guess it wasn't entirely me, glad to see you have added the content though, thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thalía (talk · contr).

Just checked your info on having to be logged in to reach the other tiered recipe list guides. That's odd though because I logged out and hit the links and it went to them fine. I am not sure what's going on. The only reason I have a log in function on the site is to post of the forums. Mind trying again?

Thalía

Nope. cooking shows me Lunch Lady, not Sous Chef. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:52, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Oh that's because you are going directly to the site, Lunch Lady is the first step of that cooking achievement, and that is what you will see because that is the default until you set your character. Where you are navigating is the section you look through once you set your character, and it automatically populates according to your character's achievements, data is pulled from the armory. If you don't have a character to set, you will see the default starting achievements, not the next step up, Sous Chef I believe is the 3rd or 4th step in that achievement chain. If you had a character that was on that step, you would see it through that navigation. Though if you want to find all guides, regardless of achievement ranking, go to the "Guides" tab at the top of the Nav bar, and you can search for them there.

Again, the side tab Navigation is on default until you set your character, and will only show you you're characters completed achievements or the ones you are working on. Though the links I put down on the cooking pages here on Wowwiki take you straight to the guides, at least I tried it again from a different comp and they did.

Thalía

Again, I'm thinking that you'd do better to have a single "cooking guide" instead of a different page for each achievement rank. (Think I may have mentioned this before...) Perhaps with sections specific to "easy/medium/hard to get" since the achievement in this case isn't tied to cooking rank. But it's your site, your preferences. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:12, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Ya I understand what you are saying, but we did it in the way that if you set your character and you see that achievement is almost done or you are working on it on you side Nav Tab, you can click it and it will direct you to the guide for it. Same for the suggested tab, so all guides have to have different names to fit the organization tabs and particular achievement name to link up to each persons individual progression, or else yes I would have done one big general one.

More simply put, the article name (guide) has to match up with the achievement name (on the side nav) in order for them to link up once clicked.

Thalía

Yup, yup. Would be nice if your database programming recognized 'redirects'... but that's beyond my pay grade. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:20, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

alright

I see what you are saying and I agree with you. posting info of the petition on wowiki was simply a way to spread the word of it further my former base of spreading the petition was you tube on which hasent worked out too nicely. seeing as how there are more open minded people on the wiki i figured the petition would spread quicker and I would be able to reach my goal faster. I couldnt stay on one site forever so this was my first idea and I see how adminship could have been alittle too out of the line but after previous petition conflicts I watned to be able to watch the page as close as possible for any vandilism there were quite alote of people opposing the plague in the first place and I was just trying to be helpful to me and my supporters. signed Biscuit 12

Pfeww!

Just got done with Mammoth mounts and all the associated mammoth mount pages, images, uploading, etc. ... And you thought the pages smelled bad on the OUTSIDE... --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 23:31, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

I just saw your page, I remember being Exalted with Sons of Hodir and purchasing the Grand Ice Mammoth for 8,000 not 10,000. Faction discount I suppose. Nice page though, good pictures =)

Thalía

yeah

I see what you are saying and will get to this soon I have a few supporters on you tube and I dont want to cause confusion among them. thank you for your help and also if you could post my petition in the world of warcraft official forum(I dont have wow currently) so I can direct my supporters directly to the forum page it would be a great help

......

hey eric I seem to not be able to remember the name of the page for the petition I made so could you send me a link to it

Zombie infestation return petition.--SWM24 48 00:39, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

DNP because... off-topic? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 00:43, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

thanks

I will atempt to tell sandwich man to put the page back up but I beleive hes going to be unreasonable about this. signed Biscuit 12

crusader steeds

i just find it on net. Sorry, i don't have this mount^^ Klakmuf1 (talk) 20:29, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Signature Help.

Hi Eirik,

Was hoping you could drop me a line on how to do my signature how you suggested?

Thanks

Thalía

Gryphon mounts

What exactly are you looking for in a Screenshot for a Gryphon Mount? What do you mean by loaner mount? Could you please explain what exactly you want so I can go out and get a better Screenshot for you?

You're reasoning says this: want image of loaner mount. What exists is an item icon image, not a mount image.

I don't completley understand what you mean. Just a little clerification thats all I request and I'll go get a new one for you.

RE: category order is important?

I believe this is done similar to why the space is removed between the last line and the categories... something to do with the way the categories are done now with the "easier" to do category system. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! ^(T•C) 22:47, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

The system so convenient that I don't use it? Huh... I thought I was pretty much alone in disliking it. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 23:08, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

It certainly makes mass producing pages a little more annoying, so I don't use it either.

^(T•C) 06:44, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Stormjewels

Thanks for the note, a quick search of the AH in-game shows that while some of the stormjewels are no longer unique-equipped, this change has not been applied to all. I shall update accordingly. -Grynd (talk) 14:27, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Any clues on when the change occurred, to add that to undocumented patch notes? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:30, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

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Template {{Patched}}

Re: Frag belt

Raiding and work this week

"Policing" own talk page

Re: New gems footer

Stub PTR

Gladiator Set rename's

Magelo

Why not?

Unabashed advertising

Professions

Account security awareness

Userboxes

Shop Smart

Alliance Ram Route

Chef de Parti

Thanks

alright

Pfeww!

yeah

......

thanks

crusader steeds

Signature Help.

Gryphon mounts

RE: category order is important?

Stormjewels

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