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Random Comments from Fandyllic

WoW is SUPER ADDICTIVE! Don't play it if you value your free time... ;-)

Test silly new sig. --

BlzzCon 2007

I probably don't have anything to add from stuff that has been reported in the online press. I did get to play with the goodie bag stuff and I was mostly impressed with the Warcraft TCG box. --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 9:01 PM PDT 12 Aug 2007

Signs that Fandyllic is famous

When someone makes a username like this: User:Fandyllicisameanie

lol. Congrats. Schmidt 18:39, 27 March 2006 (EST)

From my iPod Touch!

Typing is a little slow, but otherwise very cool... -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4:28 PST 11 Nov 2007

Killer startup?

Stumbled on an interesting article:

www.KillerStartups.com WoWWiki.com - The Warcraft Wiki

Doesn't really talk about how a business model could work, but interesting that some people are thinking about WoWWiki that way. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 10:47 PM PST 5 Feb 2008

Comments to Fandyllic

You can see old stuff in:

Welcoming Committee related stuff

Put any welcoming committee related stuff here...

I have returned. I will try to keep up with welcoming again :). Also, the "signedwelcome" template appears to be broken as seen at User_talk:Kaneka --purrdeta 19:55, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

you need to do a {{subst:signedwelcome}} Zurr T ∙ C 20:02, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

NP Patrol related stuff

Put any NP Patrol related stuff here...

Wikia

As you may know I'm currently in the Wikia offices in California, and there's some stuff I would love to discuss with you regarding it WoWWiki, Do you use Skype? If not, how might I best chat to you - email? Thanks, User:Kirkburn/Sig3 23:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm didn't know there were Wikia offices in California. I typically use AIM, but I have used Skype (I need to dig up my account info). We can start with e-mail, though. --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4:03 PM PDT 14 Aug 2007

Funky images (bis)

Yep, I get that message too, and I can't see where the problem comes from. The original image couldn't be reduced in its character infobox and I decided to investigate why. Then I saw this error message, about a hundred times re-uploading the same one with the good extension, and still it didn't work, even after changing its name. I must be the MIME type. Can you put it right for me? You can find the image by reaching the NPC's page or by hitting the 'higher resolution' part of the images' pages. Thank you.--K ) (talk) 20:44, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I fixed Image:Moren_Riverbend.jpg by downloading it, re-saving it as a JPEG, and uploading it over the old one. However, when I tried to re-save it, my program (Preview on a Mac) tried to re-save it as a BMP before I switched it. Most likely, you're starting from a BMP screen capture and you need to re-save the image as a JPEG in MS Paint or even better some other program (GIMP, Photoshop, etc.). I'll try to fix the ones I see that have the problem.--Fandyllic (talk · contr) 8:14 AM PDT 28 Sep 2007

Dismiss link overlap

To deal with the notice overlap, I think it needs a double div like used on the Main Page (with tweaks). Guess it needs doing for all such templates. Lang tbh, probably isn't really needed now - we can interwiki link the other wikia languages. Kirkburn talk contr 02:32, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Whatever you think is the best solution. I only saw a few instances where there was overlap. --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 9:42 AM PDT 16 Oct 2007

A note about the {{3D Table}} template -- the reason there wasn't a class= option (or id= or any other potentially useful HTML attribute) is that the way MediaWiki's table markup works, they can be put after the template. (This is part of why {{3D Table}} is so much simpler a template than {{3D Cell}}!) In other words, you can add a class to a 3D table in this manner as well:

{{3D Table}} class="myclass"

User:DarkRyder/Sig 20:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I didn't know that. Although it may seem elegant, it isn't terrible intuitive. It probably doesn't hurt to leave my change in. --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 1:47 PM PDT 25 Oct 2007

My thoughts exactly. If it had occurred to me when I was first making the template, I probably would have added class= then. I only mentioned it here in case you were thinking of expanding the template further -- class= may well be the most useful thing to add to a table (after styles), but I wanted to make sure you knew that template parameters dodn't necessarily need to be added for other, possibly less universally useful, attributes. :-) User:DarkRyder/Sig 22:28, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

If I had read your well written description of the template more thoroughly, I wouldn't have rushed to add the parameter... Oops. Would be nice to see 3D table templates used in more places. --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3:29 PM PDT 25 Oct 2007

1000 Club badge

Thank you! I shall wear it with pride. User:DarkRyder/Sig 05:05, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Patch note links

Nice work :) Kirkburn talk contr 22:02, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. There used to be more official links to all the patches, so I'm trying to revive that and fill in whatever is missing. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 2:04 PM PST 21 Nov 2007

Aye, I think I accidently killed a few when switching to the infoboxes - one less thing to do from my list :) Kirkburn talk contr 22:45, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

<3 the threat

Anyway, my mind's flittish atm. I lost track. Thanks for reversing the sd; it reminded me to actually finish what I started. :) --Sky (talk | con | wh) 22:58, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I see what you're doing now, but the order you do things is very important. And regardless of the outcome, you should never delete the content of an article when you mark it with {{sd}} or {{speedydelete}}. There is no need and it can be very annoying and confusing to people who run into these pages. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3 PM PST 24 Nov 2007

I don't usually. xD --Sky (talk | con | wh) 23:02, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Misc Local Templates

Power over Poison quest chain/Alliance Summary et al... categorized under misc local templates... Could you tell me about your reason for adding it to the MLT category? And... in the future, could you put the category in noinclude tags? The page mentioned above did not use 'onlyinclude' tags, and thus you added perhaps more pages to the MLT category than you intended... --Eirik Ratcatcher 22:31, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I screwed up. I was doing batches of stuff. I'll fix it. Some stuff that only should have had {{transclude}} tag I may have copy pasted into the Category:Misc Local Templates by mistake. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 6:17 PM PST 27 Nov 2007

As long as the transclude tag too gets into a NoInclude ... :) Is the Transclude tag used here in part to pull the page out of the "very small pages" category? --Eirik Ratcatcher 22:34, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Nah, its more to tell anyone editing it that it probably will show up somewhere else. Most of the "very small pages" are stubs. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 2:52 PM PST 28 Nov 2007

Message on my Page

Hey, well it is sooo useful, but I think now I will start a little bit to give something back. Thanks for your greeting note on my page. :)

Stefan (talk · contr)

15:03, 30 November 2007

Glad you think so. Keep up the good work. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5:20 PM PST 30 Nov 2007

1000 club welcome

Ty Fand. Completely overlooked that. :)Warthok Talk Contribs 07:14, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

You deserve to be recognized. You'll be at 2500 in no time. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 11:24 PM PST 30 Nov 2007

Sortable tables

I just updated your sortable instructions (at Help:Table) to use the "display:none" rather than transparency. (work better across all browsers I have checked.)

I do have a somewhat related question... I also added a short bit on darktable being preferred, and then found {{3D Table}}.

When is 3D table preferred to darktable? —MJBurrage • talk • 17:07, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

It's discouraged in main namespace articles. Kirkburn talk contr 18:17, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Yup, I would hesitate to use 3D tables. They look sorta cool, but are overly complicated. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 9:43 PM PST 3 Dec 2007

Arena Set Names

S3names — Season 2/3 item tooltips as they appear in WoW

Noticed this edit, thought I'd comment on the edit reason - all arena sets for the same spec share the set name (and count towards the same set bonus). Which items should appear in the item listing varies, of course, but there's nothing wrong with the set name/bonuses of any of the current Arena/Honor sets. -- Starlightblunder 02:10, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

The problem is not the set, but the set names in the bottom of the tooltips for the individual items of the set. Notice the set name for [Vengeful Gladiator's Leather Helm] points to Gladiator's Vestments rather than Vengeful Gladiator's Vestments, as it should be. This is true for many "Vengeful..." items. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 7:09 PM PST 4 Dec 2007

The set name for all gladiator items begins with "Gladiator's" rather than "Vengeful Gladiator's" or "Merciless Gladiator's", there's only an inconsistency since the wiki has set pages for all three season sets, and those don't acually exist in the game. I'd suggest adding disambiguation to the Gladiator's set pages (or using the set disambiguation params in the item tooltips - but those are manual solutions, so someone will have to go through the items by hand if we want to link the set to anything other than the in game version). -- Starlightblunder 20:07, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm confused. If Vengeful Gladiator's sets don't exist, then what is Wowhead showing? Are you saying that the item tooltips in the game only list the old season 1 sets? If so, then probably the tooltip should probably changed to have a set disambig link or we just put the correct set in the items. Just because the actual tooltips are vague doesn't mean WoWWiki needs to be. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12:23 PM PST 8 Dec 2007

Wowhead introduced those sets of their own volition; all of the other data-mining sites list the same version as in game (see screenshot :) ). -- Starlightblunder 18:45, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, my druid has the [Vengeful Gladiator's Wyrmhide Tunic] and I checked it, so now I see what you mean. I still think we should make the tooltips show the actual set like Wowhead, but I will probably just go through the Season one items and add disambigs to the top of each page. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 11:14 AM PST 9 Dec 2007

Okay, I added small diambigs to all the "Gladiator's..." sets. I'll think about whether showing the Season 1 set as the in-game tooltips do is the right thing or not. It's random now. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 2:40 PM PST 9 Dec 2007

From Wired

you rock man, i appreciate everything you do. you a watchdog or bookkeeper by any chance?

--4:04, 10 december 2007 (EST) User:Wired/sig

I do a little of everything. If I see stuff that looks good to add, I try to add it. If I see stuff to organize I try to organize it. It's sort of a WoWWiki type OCD. I've been particularly bad lately, since my guild is very small and sort of taking a break for the holidays. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5:26 PM PST 10 Dec 2007

yeah im still trying to figure out how to do stuff, im horrible at html and these templates, im such a n00b it sucks. 11,december 2007 6:09 (EST) User:Wired/sig

You can ask me if you need help.--SWM24 48 23:24, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, SWM is great. He's the SandwichMAN! ;-) But you aren't such a noob, you figured out how to make a cool sig.

I just figured out how to make the {{#time:...}} ParserFunction automatically timestamp my sigs, so we're always learning. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5:13 PM PST 11 Dec 2007

Badges of Justice

I would like to revert the edit you made to Badges of Justice. While I agree that normally such a page should be a redirect, the page [Badge of Justice] is often used with {{loot}}. If I were to do the same for the plural now, it will come up with a tooltip error. I would like your input before I undo. Hekirou 16:52, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Give me a chance to look at the links to Badges of Justice. If there are too many links to fix in a day or so, we'll revert my change. Otherwise, I'll just go through and fix them. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 8:59 AM PST 11 Dec 2007

When {{loot}} is used correctly, it will properly display the tooltip. [Badge of Justice] [Badges of Justice]

Zurr T ∙ C 17:00, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Looks like Badges of Justice has no links to it from non-user pages, so everything is fine. We do not maintain plurals just so people who don't know how to use {{loot}} correctly will get the tooltip they expect. What is reasonable to ask for is for Pcj to show a different error if the loot link points to a redirect. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 9:08 AM PST 11 Dec 2007

OK. New error added. [Badges of Justice] --Pcj (T•C) 23:13, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I fixed it to make the redirect actually work. It will show an error if there's a problem with the redirect. --Pcj (T•C) 00:17, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

cost

Mind poking the cost template again? 1 23 45 --User:Kaydeethree/Sig 22:52, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about that. Fixed. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 2:59 PM PST 23 Dec 2007

Umm... Kirky says I'm supposed to keep things under control whilst he's away for christmas. So, um... Bad Fandy, bad. Use a sandbox and test it before you edit major templates like that! Wrist spanked? I think so. Dominatrix DuTempete strikes again in an entirely flacid manner! --DuTempete talk|contr 23:32, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I screwed up. I actually did test it, but forgot the case where you don't use explicit parameters. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5:42 PM PST 23 Dec 2007

Awwwwwww, it's ok... the servers will forgive you in 2 or 3 days. *hug* Don't mind me, I'm a rather ineffective Dominatrix. How on earth am I supposed to get all controlly on things from the meek perspective of a semi-active narrow-interest editor who enjoys gossiping in IRC? Kirkburn just likes calling me that, I guess. --DuTempete talk|contr 02:08, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Kirkburn is a softie. You're already way tougher than he is... ;-) --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 6:26 PM PST 23 Dec 2007

Yup, DuTempete certainly wears the pants in our relationship :P Kirkburn talk contr 12:40, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Ohhhh the dirty jokes I could respond to that with... but I think I'll stick with "(giggle) You said relationship! (K) <insert dog smiley> Kirkburn!" --DuTempete talk|contr 12:51, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

The question is : who exactly wished that relationship to happen that way? I can't think of a submissive Kirkburn.--K ) (talk) 12:47, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Now, I can't think of an "appropriate" way to respond to that, Kirochi, other than to say it's none of your business.

--DuTempete talk|contr 13:32, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Not that you're being as discreet as possible :D Merry Christmas by the way.--K ) (talk) 18:05, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Ref game

By the way we do have a citation method for referencing material from games. {{ref game}}... So you can use that to avoid citing to second hand fan sources.Baggins 05:46, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. I was being lazy. ;-) --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 9:49 PM PST 3 Jan 2008

pages that need updated

For pages that need {{mobbox}}, it is better to use {{boilerplate}} or {{bp}} since those templates are more specific. Zurr T ∙ C 07:36, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, probably. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 11:38 PM PST 4 Jan 2008

Inquiry about User Icons

Is there a list somewhere of all the various User icons? I searched, but couldn't find one. :( Vekkul 13:45, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

See WoWWiki:List_of_user_templates or Category:User templates. I also put a note on your talk page. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 10:22 AM PST 5 Jan 2008

Race_Icons

I'm not sure if this is deprecated by a page or two in the wowwiki namespace, and I know you've been dealing with that particular set of pages. Could you sort that out for me? --Sky (t | c | w) 08:54, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe Varghedin and I have been using WoWWiki:List of race and class icons, but there is no need to deprecate Race Icons. I will interlink them. Maybe at some point we can redirect Race Icons, but it's okay as it is for now. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 9:01 AM PST 8 Jan 2008

Found some unused "small" templates, not sure if they're duplicates.

Template:Skill Poisons Icon Small
Template:Skill Riding Icon Small
Template:Socket Blue Icon Small
Template:Socket Meta Icon Small ‎
Template:Socket Red Icon Small
Template:Socket Yellow Icon Small ‎--Sky (t | c | w) 05:38, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

They are listed in Raid, School, Socket, Skills, and Stats section of WoWWiki:List of mini icons, so they aren't really unused. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 10:33 PM PST 11 Jan 2008

What Happened? I'm scared

Please my email adress was used by a vandal I don't know what to do! Does this mean I'll be blocked again later, or he can hack my computer? How could he have gotten my email adress? What should I do and how I can I prevent it from happening in the future? Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 23:25, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

It still won't let me edit other pages also. Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 23:25, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Log into your account, go to preferences and change the e-mail address and your password. Blocking happens based on source IP of the machine you log into your account with, I believe. So, if you change your e-mail address and password, you should be okay. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3:28 PM PST 10 Jan 2008

How will I get WoWWiki messages then? I'm not sure how to change my Comcast email adress. Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 23:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Set up a Gmail account or something, then set it to forward to your Comcast e-mail. --Pcj (T•C) 23:33, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Block?

Have I been blocked?. it says "User is blocked" whenever I try to edit my signature page.
What does this mean? User:IbbertTheGnome/Sig 23:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

gg fandy. --Pcj (T•C) 23:39, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I've been blocked too...when JChace029 was. I did what you suggested to Mr. X8, but it didn't work for me. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 23:39, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Let me unblock JChace029 and we'll see what happens. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3:41 PM PST 10 Jan 2008

ok User:IbbertTheGnome/Sig 23:42, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

JChace029 is unblocked. Can you edit now? --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3:43 PM PST 10 Jan 2008

Nope. I get the same message Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "JChace029". The reason given for JChace029's block is: "Adding DNP content: 10 acts"

(^Sssss/_Slithered) 23:45, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Same here, Coobra. User:IbbertTheGnome/Sig 23:46, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, MediaWiki probably accounts for dynamic IPs, you probably share the same hostmask. Try accessing WoWWiki through a proxy, or anonymization service, such as behidden.com, see if that helps. --Pcj (T•C) 23:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Alright, I'll try it.. User:IbbertTheGnome/Sig 23:50, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah this is not good. I suspect the IP blocking is happening for a range of IPs, like 123.456.789.xxx. I'm currently looking for the IP block log to get more info. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3:52 PM PST 10 Jan 2008

Just tried unblocking on the Special:Ipblocklist as well - that also shows the IP blocks. Try now! Kirkburn talk contr 23:54, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

WOOT!! I can edit again. Thankyou.

(^Sssss/_Slithered) 23:57, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Yay, admins!! :D /cheer. thank you so much. User:IbbertTheGnome/Sig 23:59, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

IP blocked

So you recently blocked JChace029's IP. The only problem is apparantly he lives in the same apartment complex as I do, and now I'm restricted from what I edit. =\ Can't you just block his username?

Edit: Just noticed the discussion right above me, so maybe he doesn't live here? --Tiwuno 23:54, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

LOL damn that JChace029...hes caused trouble for a number of us.

(^Sssss/_Slithered) 23:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Try editing again. Kirkburn may have fixed it. I thought I did the same thing, but maybe there is some lag before it takes effect. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3:59 PM PST 10 Jan 2008

Who still has a problem editing?

Still need to hear from:

-- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5:55 PM PST 10 Jan 2008

I can edit now, thanks. User:IbbertTheGnome/Sig 00:03, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

After people check in, I'm going to try to re-block Chace029, but without the Ipblock. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4:08 PM PST 10 Jan 2008

I had that problem a moment ago - I figured enough people had complained about it already, you didn't need me breathing down your neck. *grin* But it works now, so... --Joshmaul 00:09, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I can edit now. =D --Tiwuno 00:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Fandy, the username block is what you undid. Confusingly the related IP block shows up on a different list, Special:Ipblocklist, which is what I reverted as well. I don't know what IP it blocked, but somehow it must have affected a range of IPs. Next time someone is blocked (with auto IP block ticked), we'll have to check if this happens again, and we can alert the server people. Kirkburn talk contr 00:39, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Angela from Wikia has just informed me this is a known issue with Comcast - if you see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Appealing_a_block#Frequently_Asked_Questions it mentions that Comcast uses shared IPs between users. :/ Perhaps something to add to the "you've been blocked" page too. Kirkburn talk contr 00:46, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I realize the problem now. I'm just surprised this hasn't hit us earlier and more frequently. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5:06 PM PST 10 Jan 2008

I was banned for a while.--SWM24 48 01:47, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

There's clearly more going on here, both me and Taurmindo are being intermittently being auto-blocked by Rita2wadd's block. We're both on completely different ISPs, which do not use shared IPs, no proxy, and the IP mediawiki is reporting as blocking us from ("10.8.2.141") is not our IP and in my case, an IP i could never possibly have. There's a bug in Mediawiki is all i can imagine. -- Zeal ^(T/C) 10:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

You have to be careful analyzing network problems. Although, the problem could be MediaWiki, IP addresses change on their way to and from WoWWiki due to routers and switches, so you may not be able to see why an apparently unrelated IP address being blocked is affecting you. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 8:52 AM PST 11 Jan 2008

That would only make sense in the use of an anon proxy. Any normal proxy should still report the origin IP correctly and Mediawiki will therefore never see any other IP but the correct one unless it's told to look for the proxy's IP. My ISP is using a transparent proxy, which will only be detected if looking for it, otherwise it goes unoticed. I also know the fixed IP of said proxy, and it's nothing to do with the IP being detected by Mediawiki. Also amusingly, Baggins himself later realized the same ban was effecting him. A trace of the IP turned up empty from multiple sources. -- Zeal ^(T/C) 20:00, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Don't forget IPv6 handling. Most of what we talk about when we say IP address is actually the old IPv4 which is more human readable, but may not be entirely accurate. IPv4 looks like ddd.ddd.ddd.ddd (123.210.132.120), whereas IPv6 looks like hhhh:hhhh:hhhh:hhhh:hhhh:hhhh:hhhh:hhhh (1234:abcd:ef56:7890:fedc:ba09:8765:4321), hhhh::hhhh:hhhh:hhhh:hhhh (1234::fedc:ba09:8765:4321) or hhhh::hhhh:hhhh:ddd.ddd.ddd.ddd (1234::fedc:ba09:123.210.132.120). So, you might not see all the important network routing info. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 2:50 PM PST 11 Jan 2008

10.8.2.141? ... which would be an internal network IP, wouldn't it? How would Mediawiki be getting told that? --Eirik Ratcatcher 23:19, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, my idea was that maybe MediaWiki sees 1234::fedc:ba09:123.210.132.120 and 4321::aaaa:bbbb:123.210.132.120 as the same address. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3:25 PM PST 11 Jan 2008

In other news, yes, I'm still having trouble editing. I keep making comments on pages without properly signing them. And I have been having trouble with conversations taking place on several disparate pages at the same time. Can you help me, Dr? (signed) Hopeless --Eirik Ratcatcher 23:19, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I'M BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh My God, you have no freakin idea how much bitchiness built up in me!!! I haven't been able toedit for three days, three days!!!!!!! Now I know something is wrong with Comcast, thank God for G-Mail. Anyway... I'd like to thank Fandyllic for helping me by tell Kirkburn. Thanks man, you're a good Admin :) Mr.X8 Talk Contribs 03:10, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

WoW icons

Aren't we supposed to be using the exact capitalization as they are in the MPQs? e.g. Image:INV Jewelry Necklace 21.png vs Image:Inv jewelry necklace 21.png? --k_d³ 02:58, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

For normal WoW Icons, yes, but these are small versions pulled form the WoW Armory and they are named with lower case. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 6:59 PM PST 15 Jan 2008

Just curious if you knew...

I noticed your user page was entirely headed under "Intro." Was that intentional? Seems like a pretty long intro to me. ;) --Tiwuno 09:13, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Everyone's a critic! Does this make you feel better?

--

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12:05 PM PST 16 Jan 2008

Don't know about Tiwuno, but I feel strangely comforted. I must be ill...

--Eirik Ratcatcher 00:10, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Comments on Hoochfly's Page

I understand, and have shifted my tactic of dealing a person who is a bit lost. I understand that they want their build up there, no matter how bad it may be. So, I've left the builds, but edited the comments to address inaccuracies, issues, weakness, wrong within them, etc. The problem is the gent seems hellbent on having the builds as is when they are misguided and in some cases just bad.

Frankly, if the guy is sensitive to his builds being changed or edited, he should - as noted all over any wikia site - not post. I have one thing in mind when I work here: The people that come to get information that are clueless. Feeding them bad info or wrong doesn't help them grow or improve.Hoochfly 22:36, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I understand your perspective, but the best strategy is to comment on the build in the talk page and get a few people to agree with you the build needs to me removed. After you get the support of other users to remove the build, you can remove it and add the comment to look at the talk page for the explanation of why. Don't put your criticisms in the article page, unless they are highly specific and evidence based (stat examples, damage result comparisons in various situations). I don't want WoWWiki to get overly bureaucratic like Wikipedia, but there are still ways to do things that people can usually accept. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 2:43 PM PST 22 Jan 2008

I understand how your talk page is not the place to discuss this, but I opened a discussion topic in the article's talk page a while ago already (never seen a single comment there), just today got some discussion started with Hoochfly on our personal talk pages (initiated by me), but I do not feel I am misleading any new rogue, since the factual data to prove my point is available, while I also try to stay far from emotional comments on any other builds that may be there. There are questions from new rogues about other builds for raiding then the standard, and the proved and tried build (for many more months then just during the late 2.3 patch, as Hoochfly believes) I defend is one of the most viable options. (hell, I'd post my Shadowstep Raid spec if I wanted to pull a leg, but I stuck to the most vviable and tried build available). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ashera (talk · contr).

Thanks for the advice. I've done so. Hoochfly 00:46, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

As for this, the problem is that your "factual data" is from a spreadsheet that has always had inaccuracies with regard to hemo builds. It also shows your contention to be incorrect.

I don't believe that you are intentionally misleading people, but I do believe that you may not have the best grasp of the theorycraft, nor of rogue mechanics. The Combat Hemo variants didn't even come to pass until patch 2.3. I even specced it early on in 2.3 until we discovered that hemo charges were bugged.

Build pages should not be about what every Tom, Dick and Harry uses, but about the standard. If someone wants to deviate, that is their choice. Let them spec around, but if someone wants the standards this is what should be shown. For the rest of the info, feel free to see my responses in your Talk page and on the builds page. Hoochfly 00:46, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

As far as I can tell you two are just two individuals who disagree. You both need to produce other folks (hopefully not sock puppets) that support your side of the argument. Regardless, the Rogue builds page (and most build variant pages) is not really about standards, but talent specs designed to fulfill a particular purpose. If the talent spec meets the stated purpose and several (like more than 3) people agree the conclusions made are valid, then I would say the build should stay. In general descriptions of build specs are poorly written, so the standards aren't high, but if a preponderance of readers disagrees with the description as accurate, then it probably should be removed. A preponderance is not 1 or 2, so gather some supporters to comment. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 6:31 PM PST 22 Jan 2008

By the way, I'm going to reset the Rogue builds back again. If I see either of you edit it without getting some support for your changes on the Talk:Rogue builds page from other editors, I'm going to have to list you on WoWWiki:Violations as vandals and start banning. Consider yourself warned.--

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 6:39 PM PST 22 Jan 2008

If you are going to reset them, I'd suggest you reset them to the place they were prior to him posting. He cannot support his builds with anything other than a spreadsheet which I have checked myself for inaccuracy. He has not been able to support anything other than making claims on a spreadsheet. I would think it would require something more as rewarding wrong based on his sole means of support seems silly. If anything, wouldn't you consider his inital edit as vandalism considering any change made to his, he has considered vandalism? -- Hoochfly 02:47, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned, you're both vandals, but I'm giving you a reprieve. Bothe of you did too much damage before I found it, so just follow the advice at the top of the Rogue builds talk page and we'll see how it goes. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 6:54 PM PST 22 Jan 2008

That is semi-offensive as I have been working on maintain a good build page for months and even have a comment from you on my talk page about that. I've removed hideous, non-standard builds in the past with nothing said. I'm addressing all concerns now. Hoochfly 05:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Take it as you will. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 9:06 PM PST 22 Jan 2008

Fandyllic, might I direct you to the [Hemorrhage] page where exactly the same discussion has been going on? Hoochfly purposely removing information, making an ability appear worse then it is in the first place? I want to make wowwiki a better place, but the current activities don't help anyone. Ashera 13:26, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Why not respond to the discussion instead of whining like a tattle-tale 2 year old and wasting an admin's time? Seems you could have done so, but chose not too? Fandyllic, I apologize for my comments of frustration above. I understand your position and have taken it to discussion as you've requested. --Hoochfly 16:30, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Simply because you were the person in the first place ignoring the discussion? And no, this was not whining but reporting, since there is no reason for Fandyllic to save one wikipage and let you mess up another in the mean time. If anything, I'm fine with him extending the warning to the

[Hemorrhage] page as well, since that's a place where you don't have to do any damage either. Get over it. Ashera 16:47, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

How about responding to the discussion then guy. You didn't post any support either. I've done so. Again, we don't need to waste an admin time when the discussion is open, yet you are still here. --Hoochfly 16:53, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I think you two have too small a discussion group to make any useful progress here. And you seem to have too little input on the direct talk page as well. Might I recommend you take your points of view to the official forums, where you will have many many more viewers (and thus critics)? Once you have a consensus (or at least a set of points of view that each have backing) from there, bring it back and strengthen the build description here with the pros and cons from there. Another thought would be to specifically request comments on the Village Pump, although I'm confident even that would give you a lower eye-count on your design than the official forums. --Eirik Ratcatcher 01:06, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Blizzplanet lore

What is with all the Blizzplanet lore links all of the sudden? Are they really a good primary source? I am not saying they are not correct or useful, but is seems some of their stuff is just emailed by who knows who, and you are putting a lot of it. Why now?--SWM24 48 02:06, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not adding any lore links, I'm just formatting them so they are more obviously from Blizzplanet. They are an okay primary source for those people who don't have access to the RPG books. Most of what they have is sanctioned by Blizzard, but they just do a poor job of citing authorship and their original sources. Much of Blizzplanet's lore came directly from Blizzard before it got to White Wolf and the RPG folks, since I believe Blizzplanet pre-dates the RPG books. You'll also notice Blizzplanet has some very good interviews with RPG and Warcraft novel authors. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 6:11 PM PST 27 Jan 2008

Blizzplanet is indeed an awesome site. Kirkburn talk contr 14:18, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

AlsoSee vs Quest

Perhaps you can aid me with a template conflict issue. {{quest}}, when within {{AlsoSee}} fails to work. It used to work, so I started looking... [this] doesn't work correctly, this does. But why? Pcj has marked AlsoSee as deprecated (I really don't know why; an "also see" section is okay for a page, but not when you're putting it right at the context for looking something up), but I'd like to make the two work together. --Eirik Ratcatcher 22:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Try {{AlsoSee|1={{quest|Ride the Lightning}}}}:

See also: Ride the Lightning

See also:

[67] Ride the Lightning

Not sure why it works, but it does. The {{AlsoSee}} template should probably be redone with a <div> or some other way to indent. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 10:55 PM PST 13 Feb 2008

It's a limitation/failing of the MediaWiki parser. Indeed, calling the actual value of the parameter (1), will get you what you want. An easy work around. --Sky (t | c | w) 06:59, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, both of you. --Eirik Ratcatcher 19:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Stop capitalizing section headers

Per WW:MOS, only proper nouns and the first word of a header should be capitalized. --User:Sky2042/Sig 22:25, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

As well, the External links section should always be last on a page. --User:Sky2042/Sig 22:28, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

HARD POKE. PLEASE STOP MAKING WORK FOR OTHER PEOPLE. See the response to your post on VP about adding 2.4 stuffs. --Sky (t | c | w) 23:18, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

WW:MOS is a guideline, but I will stop changing stuff. Poke back! I'm only making work for inflexible, uncompromising people who I have little sympathy for. Take a chill pill. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4:49 PM PST 18 Feb 2008

Ps and Qs, people, Ps and Qs. Kirkburn talk contr 17:35, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

"...inflexible, uncompromising people who I have little sympathy for." I'm the inflexible one? /shrug. --Sky (t | c | w) 21:29, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Yup, but not the only one and not all the time. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 1:48 PM PST 19 Feb 2008

This reminds me why I like to advise more than do. ;) Kirkburn talk contr 22:11, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Categories 2

Hoaah, hold off on the category stuff there - isn't the VP discussion still going? I should also point out stuff has already been recatted, so we should come to a consensus first this time at least. Kirkburn talk contr 20:15, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Look Kirkburn, if you want to influence the direction of this categorization stuff, state your case. I'm basically putting stuff back that Zeal did without any kind of consensus. I may be slower, but I'm going to do it unless someone has a good argument otherwise. I haven't seen one yet.

I'm not going to try to go through a consensus process to undo what was done without consensus, That is just plain unfair.

As far as I can tell, the crux of Zeal's case is this: "I like it this away, I think WoWWiki is primarily a Warcraft wiki and not a World of Warcraft wiki, and Kirkburn said it was okay, so I'm doing it." Do you have different version of events? Please inform. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12:20 PM PST 19 Feb 2008

My case is posted on the VP, I posted it several hours ago. The items have already been recatted, so it would be a good idea for us all to come to some agreement on this as the items aren't going to magically move again (by which I mean, we'd have to find someone to bot it again).

Btw, I should have a link to the test 1.12 site later which allows for easier viewing of our category system. Kirkburn talk contr 20:24, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Please don't recat until the we've got a consensus. Please, it's only going to make it harder for all of us. Kirkburn talk contr 22:40, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I guess I will stop and undo a few of the changes I made, but I'm disappointed that I have to stop for consensus, but you apparently didn't require this of Zeal. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 2:42 PM PST 19 Feb 2008

I was on holiday with my girlfriend! I didn't even know the extent of the changes for a while. Kirkburn talk contr 22:45, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry this happened while you were away, but I'm still concerned about your approach to the whole issue. I'm disappointed you feel the need to defend Zeal's changes without repudiating them at all. It seems like you're choosing sides, but trying to pretend to be neutral. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 2:50 PM PST 19 Feb 2008

Don't worry, several on IRC would be able to tell you that Zeal didn't get off scott free by any stretch of the imagination - I'm half the reason he's not editing the wiki actively now. I'm not shouting at him now because I've already shouted at him once, and he knows my views.

However, I also defend Zeal because I agree with the recatting principle, even if the final result wasn't perfect - the best way to deal with it now is to look at what the situation is now and work out where we go from here. My view is the wiki isn't broken, it just needs tidying up.

I am intentionally everyone and no-one's friend - I'm not going to stick by someone just because I'm friendly with them, but because I agree with them. Probably a bit annoying for people as they won't know what I may say to stuff - but that is my principle of neutrality. Zeal made the change, but that's not an excuse to start unilaterally making more changes, otherwise we'll get into our first wheel war, and none of us want that! Kirkburn talk contr 23:04, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Fandy, I really admire that you're trying to get this whole issue resolved. I agree that it does need resolution; Zeal probably did not take the best course of action in initiating the category changes. But, yes, that is done now, and frankly, the action you're taking in changing them back is not any better. Although the issue as a whole is not agreed upon, there are some parts of it that are, even if it isn't spelled out. What we need to do is find out what the actual issues are, and what is already agreed on. So, lets not worry about who is to blame as not only do the accusations cause injury, but they do not get anything done as well. If you want to blame Kirkburn, or Zeal, or even me, that's fine, but it's better for all of us that ti's done in private, while real work is being done on fixing the problem.

So, please, continue with your zeal for the issue. I really appreciate how motivated you get when you see a problem. Lets focus that into finding out what the real issues are, and how best to resolve them. --DuTempete talk|contr 23:20, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I understand trying to keep things on an even keel and negotiate peaceful resolutions, but I still sense that the questions I'm posing aren't getting straight answers. I feel my point is being missed or ignored and I can't figure out why. I will try to clarify on the Village pump, but it is definitely frustrating. I don't want to see the current change stay in place because inertia leaves them there. DuTempete tried to distill the issues, but left out a bunch, in my opinion. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4:30 PM PST 19 Feb 2008

Gelbil Mekkatorque

While trying to keep the naming policy respected, I wrote wrong. His name is Gelbin Mekkatorque, not Gelbil. Can you fix it, please? sorry for the inconvenience --N'Nanz 19:22, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Done. It should never have been moved in the first place. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 11:29 AM PST 21 Feb 2008

Warcraft III items

With all the discussions about the "World of Warcraft items" categories, I started to think about Warcraft III items. I'm not sure how to proceed though... Do I just throw them in the "real spot" or keep them in my User pages for now? Can I use the images on www.battle.net, or are those considerd copyright-don't-use? I made a couple of items just to see how it would look. Could you take a look and give some advice? User:Pratt/Warcraft III items/Potion of Mana for instance... Pratt 20:33, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I would add them in the "real spot" with the suffix (WC3). You can also use {{Stub/Item}} for items, just make sure to put {{Warcraft III}} at the top below the stub tag. So put your Potion of Mana page at Potion of Mana (WC3). --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12:37 PM PST 26 Feb 2008

Should I use the suffix even if there is no other page with the same name? Or just in case of duplication? Pratt 20:41, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Use the suffix only for duplicates for now. Also, you can put them in the Category:Warcraft III items. --

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12:42 PM PST 26 Feb 2008

How about the images? Is it okay to grab those from www.battle.net? Pratt 20:44, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I would ask at the Village pump. However, you probably can't...

From Battle.net Terms of use:

4. Your Use of Battle.net.

A. You are entitled to use Battle.net for your own personal use, but you shall not be entitled to

...

(iii) create derivative works based on Battle.net;

I'm pretty sure item article using Battle.net images would be considered "derivative works".--

Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12:55 PM PST 26 Feb 2008

Hmm... I guess I could just use the World of Warcraft icon images...

File:Warcraft III - Ring of Protection.gif

Pratt 21:03, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Please Give This New Page A Home

I've created a page hosting a shell script to migrate your WTF from one install to another (i.e. to test realm) or within an install (i.e. changed servers).

MigrateWTFscript

Can you please give it a good home? I don't know where to link it from in the voluminous index...

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+== Please Give This New Page A Home ==
+I've created a page hosting a shell script to migrate your WTF from one install to another (i.e. to test realm) or within an install (i.e. changed servers).
+[[MigrateWTFscript]]
+Can you please give it a good home? I don't know where to link it from in the voluminous index...

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