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Usage of Azeroth
How do you feel about the colloquial usage of Azeroth referring to "Classic WoW," such as on Fishing pool? 
Howbizr(t·c) 10:38 PM, 7 Aug 2009 (EDT)
Template {{Patched}}
Apparently you do not know how to READ the Template Talk pages for {{Patched}} you would have known why the Changes were made to the template, so Please read Here and help with the solution beause you did NOT fix anything with your reversion. patch=1.1 and 1.10 show the same date and they are NOT the same.
Patch 1.1 (2004-11-07): This date should show the year 2004.
Patch 1.1.0 (2004-11-07): This date is correct.
Patch 1.10 (2006-03-28): This date is correct.
Patch 1.10.0 (2006-03-28): This date is correct.
-- (M o r p h | C | T) 
14:14, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
- An admin that can Read I am sure and can give the respect of explanations as to why they do things, we are required to give them and so are they - they are NOT above the guildlines any more than I am, they just have more abilities (on this wikia) than I do. -- (M o r p h | C | T) 17:12, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
- An admin that can Read I am sure and can give the respect of explanations as to why they do things, we are required to give them and so are they - they are NOT above the guildlines any more than I am, they just have more abilities (on this wikia) than I do. -- (M o r p h | C | T)
- Ya confused me, Morph. You would have been more clear if you had stated the problem using the then-output of the template, instead of using the template to illustrate the problem. I have to assume that since 1.1 and 1.10 above show different dates, whatever the problem was has been corrected.
- And I have to disagree with Howbizr... "He's a fellow editor. Show a little bit of respect please." would be appropriate, though. Don't start out with an insult, while it may be a comfort, it doesn't actually move your case forward. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:37, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
- My thought on admins, and the same for guild officers, and other voluntary positions of power, is these people usually have earned them through donating their own time. The key word being donated, for free. But that wasn't meant to say (as you imply) that other editors don't deserve respect, only admins. I think admins should just get normal respect + 1.
Howbizr(t·c) 3:45 PM, 13 Aug 2009 (EDT)
- My thought on admins, and the same for guild officers, and other voluntary positions of power, is these people usually have earned them through donating their own time. The key word being donated, for free. But that wasn't meant to say (as you imply) that other editors don't deserve respect, only admins. I think admins should just get normal respect + 1.
- I would normaly tend to agree with you BUT as with anything else they are Human and many do FORGET how they got there. It is the same as if your Boss or any other High position person tells you to do something that is illegal (that does NOT make them right in telling you to do so). Being an admim does mean they have worked for that position or done something to deserve the position but does not make what they do RIGHT just because they are in that position. -- (M o r p h | C | T) 20:03, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
- I would normaly tend to agree with you BUT as with anything else they are Human and many do FORGET how they got there. It is the same as if your Boss or any other High position person tells you to do something that is illegal (that does NOT make them right in telling you to do so). Being an admim does mean they have worked for that position or done something to deserve the position but does not make what they do RIGHT just because they are in that position. -- (M o r p h | C | T)
Talent Tooltips
You recently edited the Template:Infobox talent and Template:Talenttip pages, removing the name, ranks, talent_req, and points_req fields from the tooltip. I am wondering why you did this, as this information is very important. Also, could help me get the talent tooltips to display properly? I would like them to look like the tests on the Template:Talenttip page. Gethe (talk) 16:41, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
- That is important info, because where those tooltips should be displayed won't have that info available. But they won't appear, so could you help me fix them so they will? Which documentation page are you referring to? Gethe (talk) 17:04, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
- No it's not used anywhere, but that can change if it's fixed and people become aware of it. Wouldn't you like to see a tooltip telling you all about a talent instead of having to click a link? If this site has tooltips for items, quests, npcs and more, why not have one for talents? Gethe (talk) 17:27, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Categories on Tier 9 items
I am now confused? you are removing the Category:Tier 9 armor sets and [[:Category:<class> sets]] from the individual pieces - I went thru and added most of those categories already because if you look at the category pages they list each piece as well as the SETS (the sets are 1st becuse they have a space in their categorization parameter and the individual pieces are in normal alpha order ) so if the categories I am doing are wrong then ALL of the other Category:Tier 8 armor sets and earlier sets as well as the Arena sets too. -- (M o r p h | C | T) 18:23, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
- I agree that {{settip}} should do some or most of the categorizations, with a little reworks to class paramater, change it to class1= class2= ... class5= it could then even catagories them into class sets as well - but at the moment it does not do any categorizations ( I wish it did buecause there are too many categories to remember the corrct names for because some of the locations have s's and some do not [[:Category:World of Warcraft plate <location>(s) armor]] and at the moment the from what I understand all of the World of Warcraft Prefixes are supposed to be WoW prefixes - the template could easily fix that as well - I will leave that template for you all to do since it affects so many items. -- (M o r p h | C | T) 20:35, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
- I think you showed me a wrong example - because I had that page already categoriezed ( you just duplicated the categories with <noinclude>[[Duplicated Categories]]</noinclude> -- but {{Settip}} could do most all of the categorization for you if it was set up correctly - that is why I refuse to add some of the categories to some of the pages because 1 I have no idea which categories to add ( and I cant look at the items categories they are so Confusing and ( criss-cross-linked ) so I have no idea where to place them - that is why you see me do a lot of changes ( mostly I have to keep adding new elements because Item 1 has Category a, b, c on it - so I duplicate that on the same type items -- then I find Item 2 that has category a, b, d, e - so I have to add category c to this item and then go back to Item 1 and add categories d and e then Item 3 only had 1 of the 5 categories on it -- there is so much inconsistency that I gave up on all but primary categories -- where as a template doing the categorizations would correct so much of the inconsistancies -- (M o r p h | C | T) 21:40, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
I am going to keep adding [[Category:<Class> sets]] to the pieces of individual pieces of armor, because that is how all of the sets are doen (go look at Category:Druid sets (you will see INDIVIDUAL pieces from Category:Dungeon Set 1 armor sets, Category:Dungeon Set 2 armor sets, Category:Dungeon Set 3 armor sets, all of the arena sets as well as all of the Tier sets. So, unless you are going to go and remove each individual piece from those sets from each Class set, then I am going to continue the practice previously set (You are the only one not doing this - does not make you in the right). -- (M o r p h | C | T) 18:02, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Conquest Badges per instance
Is there any preferred way to judge the time the instances will take? I've sorted the instances by time because that's what the entire topic is for but there's little else I can do. Also I increased the time to do some of the instances by 1-2 minutes to remove the need for decimals eg. 22.5 mins
Is there any source to go by?
Appreciated
Admin questions...
How do I fix the {{problem}} images? And is Category:World_of_Warcraft_gem_items deleted? I see an entry in the deletion log, yet the page looks like it's still there. Howbizr(t·c) 9:12 AM, 15 Aug 2009 (EDT)
- MM... Frozen Power still looks broken to me (I'm the one who flagged it). When I go to the url I just see "Not found (error to origin)". For that matter, an unusually high number of icons aren't loading today.
- Isn't that flag for admins to do something. I've just been flagging because I'm not seeing any actions I can take. Howbizr(t·c) 9:38 AM, 15 Aug 2009 (EDT)
- On the Frozen Power page I can see the image
just fine, could it be as Pcj likes to keep telling us "Its a cache, problem"? In this case the browser's cache? -- (M o r p h | C | T) 15:55, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
- On the Frozen Power page I can see the image
Re Rows in tooltips etc
That is why the {{set}} was not working? I will go back and fix the previous sets that I changed. It was easier editing when I could see them separated out (did not know it would affect the tooltip - but now I do). -- (M o r p h | C | T) 19:40, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
- That is not the problem because Conqueror's Hellscream's Plate and Triumphant Hellscream's Plate still show a error on mouse over and they were NOT done in the manner you asked me not to do, they are done in the
|piece={{Item}}<br/>{{item}}<br/>format and still show a error when you mouse over them. -- (M o r p h | C | T)
- That is my point!! They are not working Conqueror's Thassarian's Battlegear has all 5 pieces filled in. Mouseover it and you get NOTHING, click on the link and you will see it is all filled out. -- (M o r p h | C | T) 17:55, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
- That is my point!! They are not working Conqueror's Thassarian's Battlegear has all 5 pieces filled in. Mouseover it and you get NOTHING, click on the link and you will see it is all filled out. -- (M o r p h | C | T)
Using Template Tooltip to categorize
- Moved to Template_talk:Tooltip#Using_Template_Tooltip_to_categorize Howbizr(t·c) 11:43 PM, 16 Aug 2009 (EDT)
Question from Tripleblue52
Where could I suggest a change that I believe should be added to the Ice Block page? I suggested a change to the paragraph that speaks of ice blocking with the flag, but I also wanted to add that you can ice block while silenced. The only reason I didn't add it to the page 'cause I was afraid it would sound awkward, and not really part of the article. Would you suggest I just add it to ice block's talk page and ask for someone to add it in to the article? Tripleblue52 (talk) 19:57, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
- You are welcome to write that information yourself under the Tips and tactics section. Make sure it's grammatically correct and that it's easy to understand. Don't forget to not use your signature (
~~~~) in the article. --gOurra[T҂C] 06:48, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Gourra can you check something?
Check to see if A'noob is connecting to WoWwiki from the same IP address as Loremunster did? The page I contested recently was put up against my knowledge, and has been on your site for roughly 3 years apparently. I find it very suspect that on the day I discover it and correct its errors someone immediately starts altering it and seeking to essentially "hide" it. Can you please investigate this and if merited deal with it? I dont actually want to know the outcome, but just saying. Seems pretty convient that someone would care so suddenly. Thanks in advance. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Devanti (talk · contr).
- No it's not me. And your talk page fully explains why your article has been moved.
Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 19:18, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
It might not be, but its still strange that it attracted such attention so rapidly. Where were the admins for three years when I reported this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Devanti (talk · contr).
- Well if you want the full story, I have an eye for the fan fic posted on the mainspace, so actually, I random-click the names such as this "Lacryma". And while reading I see much RP, and RP that I did not read I the Books (yes all the books). And so you get my generic message about the fan fic article on your talk page.
- Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 19:29, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Dont get me wrong mate. I'm all for the seperation of canon and non canon. Thats one of the great things about this Wiki, that its so well policed. (Unlike the RP Servers. ) But I've had wiki pages vandalized before, which is why I was so suspicious and found the timing so strange. If I am indeed in error then I apologize entirely. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Devanti (talk · contr).
- F&F
- Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 19:51, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Cataclysm Box-art
Could you explain it in more detail why you felt the need not to display it any longer? Is it because it's a box, or, just because you want nothing there at all? ~~ Deliah Shalièn talk 18:58, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- Because putting it in the infobox makes it look like it's official box art, while it's not. --gOurra[T҂C] 20:13, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- Still not quite detailed, does it matter that much if it is offical or not? I mean, I don't see a real issue for having an art there, would it make you feel better if it had a comment under it like "Not official", because, having nothing in the box is kind of.. emty. Also, would you feel better if the art in the box doesn't look like an actual box, but is a 2d / flat image instead?
20:34, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- Still not quite detailed, does it matter that much if it is offical or not? I mean, I don't see a real issue for having an art there, would it make you feel better if it had a comment under it like "Not official", because, having nothing in the box is kind of.. emty. Also, would you feel better if the art in the box doesn't look like an actual box, but is a 2d / flat image instead?
- So, would This one do? It's the original 'template' I put there, it's a screenshot, just slightly tweaked from the main site. If not, then I supose I'll just have to agree T-T 21:31, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- So, would This one do? It's the original 'template' I put there, it's a screenshot, just slightly tweaked from the main site. If not, then I supose I'll just have to agree T-T
Illumination vs Enlightenment
Illumination vs Enlightenment ... you've called out the former as "the horde version of Enlightenment" on its page. The Twin Val'kyr page lists Illumination as "the heroic 10 man version of Trial of the Crusader".
I go to Armory and I find entirely different results: that there is one drop table for Fjola Lightbane and a separate one for Edyis Darkbane; that both tables are identical between Normal and Heroic, excepting a Crusader Orb on heroic. WoWhead seems to back up Armory, but for all I know that may be database copying on the part of one or the other.
I've never completed this, so I have no idea where the truth is. Thoughts? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:05, September 1, 2009 (UTC)
- One source that seems likely is an earlier version of the Twin Val'kyr, which listed alliance vs horde. But I have to wonder where THAT came from? Comment is made about it being from the PTR, but no info on whether it came from live as well. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:25, September 1, 2009 (UTC)
- The thing is that they have the same source and same stats, which leads me to believe that the different looks (you can see in model viewer, or the screenshots at wowhead) hints that they are for Horde and Alliance respectively. Also what I see is that the armory only lists the drop for 10 man and that there is no heroic version... --gOurra[T҂C] 08:46, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
- KD3 confirms he thought it was a typo when he changed it. Still no info on the source. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:02, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
ProfIcon's
This icon 
needs to be re-uploaded for the 
Deathknight Runeforging profession so that it can be used by {{profIcon|<Runeforging>}} as well. This should/is the last one until Blizzard shows what the icons for Archaeology and Reforging. -- (M o r p h | C | T) 16:32, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
Magelo
Please note my comments on Forum:External_Links_to_Magelo about undue haste in closing the vote despite the clear majority. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:48, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
Thanks and Tips
Thanks for your help with our little guild wiki.
And for pointing me to talk pages... I'm learning!!
If you do have a few moments spare, I was wondering if you could maybe give me a few pointers...
So number one: why, despite me uploading an updated picture (a very minor edit), does the guildbox still show the old one? Also is there any way of permanently deleting pictures I no longer use? I hate the thought of cluttering up the servers.
The other thing is, how does an article title (in this case Guild:The Earth Walkers (Darkmoon Faire EU)) become searchable for more than just an exact match? For example typing in "Earth Walkers" would suggest a link to the article. Does it depend on hits, or are there some tags I can use? Or is this just straight up impossible for player created things?
It's more than likely that the answers are already out there somewhere, but I can't for the life of me find them. WoWwiki's a bit confusing to navigate around at the moment!
Thanks,
Followthewind (talk) 08:22, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
- As far as I can see, both versions of File:EarthWalkersFlag.png are the same. Are you sure that you uploaded a new, different, picture? You can tag the images you want deleted with {{Speedydelete}}. Follow the link to see more.
- Guild redirects in the main namespace (for example making The Earth Walkers to Guild:The Earth Walkers (Darkmoon Faire EU)) is generally not involved, unless it is a very famous guild (see Ensidia). Unfortunately people will have to type the full link to your guild article to get there. --gOurra[T҂C] 08:27, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
- The second, newer image is slightly cleaned around the edges of the flag. Nothing big, but it was bugging me! Speedydelete though, I'll remember that, thanks.
- As for the article thing, I had a feeling that was the case. Nevermind, we'll just have to become famous! Thanks for all your help.
- Followthewind (talk) 18:39, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
- Actualy on the Guild: search, they do have to type in Guild: for any and all guilds to be found easily. I can type in " Guild:The E " and I can see your guild Guild:The Earth Walkers (Darkmoon Faire EU) listed in the dropdown menu of the search box (the more letters they type the more precise the searchbox shows). -- (M o r p h | C | T) 18:52, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
- Actualy on the Guild: search, they do have to type in Guild: for any and all guilds to be found easily. I can type in " Guild:The E " and I can see your guild Guild:The Earth Walkers (Darkmoon Faire EU) listed in the dropdown menu of the search box (the more letters they type the more precise the searchbox shows). -- (M o r p h | C | T)
- Followthewind (talk) 18:39, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
Goofyness
Talk:Libram_of_the_Sacred_Shield. Any ideas? Howbizr(t·c) 10:14 PM, 8 Sep 2009 (EDT)
they dont go no where except to a page that says this no longer exists so i will continue deleting the deleted achievements links due to that they no longer go anywhere and it will wastes people's time clicking on them —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ihunttaurens (talk · contr).
Correspondance from the Front
I noted, and reverted, your change to A Ragged Page. I found this set of quests, and the pages on their associated items, to be implemented in a haphazard and inconsistent way. Particularly, I found references to "the unopened items" that were never implemented, references to "the opened items" that intended to point to the unopened ones, and so on. The majority of this set of quests had no such "opened/unopened" item difference already established, so I altered the remainder to conform.
As the event referred to has gone again, to return only on Blizzard's whim; and as many of the pages that WERE implemented were still stubbed, I submit that no, adding separate item pages is not really necessary or helpful to anyone who wants to look up the items of those names. In fact, I (and then you, following me) may be the sole people to look at those pages in months. That is, nobody cares save me and thee.
If you truly want to have a separate page for the opened and unopened letters, I invite you to alter the lot of those pages, including useful descriptions for the relevant pages, alter links as appropriate, and provide cross-links between related items. Falling short of this, I would consider to be damage. While I may disagree with your "one DB object per page" philosophy, as long as you provide a consistent and developed set of pages, I will not object to your proposed change. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:53, September 21, 2009 (UTC)
costitem template
{{costitem}} is a new template to me. Could you explain why it would be preferred over {{cost}}? I found use of the cost template for every instance emblems were used as a cost. (eg Emblem of Heroism, Mirror of Truth, etc). Is this to be a general replacement of cost with costitem? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:21, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
- That's how I see it, yes. {{Cost}} would be something that's used for money, arena points and honor points, and {{costitem}} for items as currency. And don't give me the "if you want it then convert it on every article there is" crap. --gOurra[T҂C] 19:58, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
- Would you explain why costitem is superior? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:35, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
- Cool. Not especially relevant for existing currencies, but useful going forward. From the ease of use, though, I think it is possible that it may get abused for cases that aren't actual currencies. Too soon to tell. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 17:21, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
RPG tags
What is the reasoning behind the mass removal of {{RPG}}? Is it a category thing, or was it deemed useless?--SWM2448 20:48, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
- Both. It's better to categorize it under each source book instead of the general one (Category:Warcraft RPG). --gOurra[T҂C] 21:01, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
- It could be redone to not add a category. On the second point, I think it should be used like a {{RPG-section}} tag, but for when the entire page is of purely Warcraft RPG content. I feel it should be kept mainly because of Scrolls of Lore's mentality of canon (and subsequent whining because of that mentality), and how we are corrupting "lore noobs" into believing the RPG is canon. I do not really care, but on the off chance they are right, it would not hurt to keep the 'only in the RPG' disclaimer (and I liked Baggins).--SWM2448 21:11, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
- So from the temporary RPG category you want to make another temporary RPG category so to keep track of which articles that has been corrected?
- If you're confused, I'll explain it like this: I find an article that has {{RPG}}, and may need to have it's {{cite}} converted, so I convert it. The citation is then converted but the template is still there. If I remove it then it won't show that the information is purely from the RPG, and if I remove the temporary category I won't be able to keep track of the articles that needs to "fixed". --gOurra[T҂C] 21:27, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
Your User Page
Why is that guy following arounf the screen. I don't like him. Your user page is cleanly build apart from that which, in my opinion, makes it look cheap.
User:BobNamataki 14:03, Setember 30, 2009. (GMT)
Okay, keep him but just so you know. What ever your characters careers are, I can hardly read it. User:BobNamataki 14:09, Setember 30, 2009. (GMT)
- Who is that anyway? BobNamataki (talk) 15:56, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
LOL, thats hilarious Gourra. 
(T•C) 19:52, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
The blue text is annoying, could you change the color? Pudim17 (talk - contr) 13:24, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
- Forget it Pudim, he's not going to change it. BobNamataki (talk) 13:57, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
- Why do you care about it anyway? --gOurra[T҂C] 14:25, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
- I stand corrected. Who is that anyway? BobNamataki (talk) 15:02, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
- Why do you care about it anyway? --gOurra[T҂C] 14:25, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
World of Warcraft
Why did you quit? BobNamataki (talk) 16:43, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
Garrosh & Cataclsym
Your comments are most welcome over there.
Thanks
Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 14:32, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
500 Club
Can you add me to the 500 club please? BobNamataki (talk) 23:04, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
Icon for spells?
Don't know if I should add this to the discussion page on Twins Valkyr instead. I'd like to add this ability, http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=65916 but not sure how to find out the name of the icon. Lilham (talk) 11:41, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
- Double click the icon image on Wowhead and paste the name in the image field. Remember that the start of each word in an icon is in upper case, and if it doesn't work in the first place, recheck the words. Items that start with "inv" always begin with "INV". --gOurra[T҂C] 21:43, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
Nobundo's Chestguard of Conquest
Thanks for adjusting the (fixed) tooltip on the page to the right. How did you do that? Hans Kamp (talk) 11:16, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
Simple tooltip JS
User:Pcj/simple.js --Pcj (T•C) 01:53, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Errata
What was that page you created for http://www.geocities.com/magusrogue/Errata.htm, which is now dead, named? I can't seem to find it. (T•C) 21:20, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
- Oh, nvm found it The (Un)Official World of Warcraft RPG Errata =) (T•C) 21:21, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
Question
I keep fixing the post but it keeps getting moved so the main link on the page can never go to it. I just joined yesterday but I'm not sure how to keep it linked without having it moved right after I post it.
Pixidst173
Edit count
Oh, so that's possible? Awesome! Thanks for letting me know :) 
AMBER(RΘCK) 21:40, November 7, 2009 (UTC)
DEFAULTSORT
Hello. Out of curiosity, why are you removing the DEFAULTSORT templates from pages? - JEA13 [iTalk] 22:58, November 7, 2009 (UTC)
