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Controversy Edit

There is no need, ever, for controversy to stand in the way of the facts. You're caving into user preasure at the cost of integrity of articles. This is extremly bad practice for an admin, and if you maintain it, i'm officially requesting you step down or be removed as bookkeeper admin. And yes, i am telling you how to do your job, you apparently need to be told. --Zeal (talk - contr - web) 01:24, 10 January 2007 (EST)

What? Edit: after some searching you're referring to Talk:Antonidas? I've left my response on there.  Kirkburn talk contr 09:50, 10 January 2007 (EST)
I've also left my response on Talk:Antonidas. However, please keep in mind that Rage is the head bookkeeper for a reason, and he has our full confidence. Please give him the benefit of the doubt before assuming things so that you can work with him to solve a problem. // Montagg (talk · contr) 15:15, 10 January 2007 (EST)

I've been accepted!!!Edit

I've recently been accepted to all three universities I've applied to for fall semester later this year (two in Hawaii and one in Montana). I have decided to go with Hawaii in Manoa as it actually comes out cheaper and closer to my budget. I will continue to be in the lore team until then, helping as best I can, but can't guerentee how much time I'll have after start going there. I will probably not be carrying my Warcraft collection with me (with exception of the MMO itself), and thus will not be adding new material nearly as much, LOL. If the classes takes up most of my time leaving me little time to work on wowwiki I will step down, allowing someone else to take my position. But just thought you might be interested in the heads up. Baggins 19:32, 16 January 2007 (EST)

Heads-up appreciated and congrats. Manoa-I was planning to go there, but the fact that I stil had a high school contract meant I needed to stay within 200 miles of Manhattan. Still, you;ll be with us until the end of the summer. Just promise that you won't be too concerned about us- your help is appreciated greatly, but I would no more devote myself to WoWWiki while in Egypt than I would jump off Tower Bridge (but that's just me.)--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 19:49, 16 January 2007 (EST)
Agrees. Besides I'll be devoting more time to Scuba diving if I get my chance ;). ...cough... and the locals, :).Baggins 19:50, 16 January 2007 (EST)
If you're going to be an anthropologist, then the very association you suggest would be... unadvised. From a professional standpoint.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 19:52, 16 January 2007 (EST)
What I can't date? Look for a wife with the same interests etc? LOL. I don't mean cultural hawaiin locals LOL... and I thought socialization was a benifit to university life :) LOL.
Ya, i'm specifically looking into archaelogy field with a secondary dedication to related geology, btw. Baggins 20:03, 16 January 2007 (EST)
I'm pure anthro/archaeo myself- since I'm to specialize in the Mediterranean, Hawaii would not have been the best choice, but I imagine the geology of the islands would be perfect for your interests.
Oh, and if anyone tries to tempt you into performing an ancient ritual to summon the spirit of the volcano goddess, please refrain from taking part. Never mind unprofessional, I speak from personal experience that vengful goddesses are never a good way to spruce up the party. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 22:48, 16 January 2007 (EST)
LOL. Now that's a story I want to hear the rest of, heh heh, you have piqued my interest.
Cool interests btw. My interests evolved out first an interest in geology specifically in paleontology (back as a wee child), back then I could name nearly every dinosaur someone would show me, LOL. However it moved into interest in Archaelogy, which has been more of a passion to me for years. I enjoyed reading and watching history of archaelogy all the time. So you can say that's been a lifelong passion. I took an earth sciences course in high school, enjoyed it. Once I reached college I've taken a courses in archaelogy and physical anthropology, and currently taking cultural anthropology, and enjoy how various anthropology fields interact. I also took a few courses in geology, and found I enjoyed it as much as I enjoyed archaelogy. But more interested in how it relates to way people lived, how they coped with geological forces, what materials they used for their artifacts, where those materials originated, how the land has changed between the time they first lived in an area to the present, etc. Additionally the knowledge of geology and anthropology can also apply to a field of forensics which is also an interest of mine, and one of the possible career choices I may persue (although I have more interest in musueum/field work).
Ya I have to admit I'm a science fan, if I had a long enough life, I have mild interest in other fields for example biology (marine biology specifically), but not certainly not enough to usurp my true interests, :). But I think what draws me to anthropology as a whole is an interest in history, and seeing how cultural histories developed, and this is through a strong interest in the material and artifact history.Baggins 09:55, 17 January 2007 (EST)

Im Back! Edit

Hi there Rage. I dont think you even knew in the first place but ive been more or less away from WoW and WoWWiki since about October. I had many technical difficulties with my WoW and eventually gave up due to lack of help from Bliz, and thus lost my interest in the game and its lore. With the release of TBC my interest in WoW and its lore has been rekindelled so im back to prowl the pages of WoWWiki again :) --Diggory 03:55, 18 January 2007 (EST)

<snort> Welcome back. In general, not much has changed, apart from the plethora of edits and vandalism that happens over the course of a few months. Let's see... new policy debates, controversy pages rehashed, beta revelations of Maiev and the like, and seven new admins. You return just in time, as Karazhan may yet reveal more about your domain. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 08:15, 18 January 2007 (EST)

As discussed before i left in October, could i extend or replace my bookkeeper responsiblities to class lore? I tend to wander around those pages the most. Thanks Matey. --Diggory 09:49, 19 January 2007 (EST)

Sounds good, as I need someone to keep an eye on those pages.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 13:50, 19 January 2007 (EST)

private messagesEdit

I like you guy's site, but how would I send a private message to one of the other registered users? I come here to read all the time and just registered a lil bit ago. Isn't there a bit more to protect the site though? This seems kinda scary. 1 Angry person could wipe out months of work in a few minutes couldn't they?

No, things can be reverted easily. please remember to sign your postsBaggins 02:56, 19 January 2007 (EST)
Once upon a time, there was a user e-mail function, but that was removed, as there was no way to filter who was sending the e-mails. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 08:28, 19 January 2007 (EST)

Corrupted Image Edit

The image Image:Nightelves-160x.jpg is corrupted, I deleted from Night elf. --Voidvector 23:12, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Ah, so that was the problem? Glad that's sorted. All sorts of horrible things were going through my head. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:25, 23 January 2007 (EST)
Fixed and placed back!  Kirkburn talk contr 04:55, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Red dragonflight, red dragonflight or Red Dragonflight? Edit

Please share your thoughts :) I've changed it to red dragonflight for now, however I am not sure whether it is the correct choice. Jeoh talk · stalk 

I'll just chime in and say under the race names policy, it would be red dragonflight. Though i've never agreed with that policy.. --Zealtalkcontrweb 17:30, 25 January 2007 (EST)
I consent to the policy in general, but it's important to remember sources here. I'm checking the WoW webiste to see what they say. Probably both capitalized, as "red dragon" is the race and "Red Dragonflight" is the affiliation. Addendum: the Warcraft encyclopedia doen't mention the term "dragonflight", but it does leave the colors lowercase. This implies to me either "Red Dragonflight" or "red Dragonflight". I'm separated from my novels at the moment, so someone else will have to report on those.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 17:34, 25 January 2007 (EST)
LoM refers to the blue dragonflight. Zeal, pretty much every novel and RPG book uses lower case names, as does WoW where it's not being used in a title.  Kirkburn talk contr 00:49, 26 January 2007 (EST)
Debatable as you well know ;) --Zealtalkcontrweb 10:16, 26 January 2007 (EST)
Debatable only if you ignore what Blizzard have decided, heh :P  Kirkburn talk contr 11:14, 26 January 2007 (EST)

"Dragon" only appears to be capitalized when referring to an Aspect.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 08:31, 26 January 2007 (EST)

I say lowercase. If its a common enough concept that's pretty broad, then it's like "warlock". But if it refers to a specific instance of it, like game mechanical, a la "Warlock" the player class, then maybe capital. But I can't think of a context where "red dragonflight" matches "Warlock".--Hobinheim (talk · contr) 11:35, 26 January 2007 (EST)
I say lowercase too. I can't think of anywhere I'd put Warlock with uppercase either, game mechanic or no. --User:Varghedin/Sig 08:46, 27 January 2007 (EST)

Though I still feel it's a faction title, since Kirkburn quoted a source, I guess we go by species. I'm separated from my novels at the moment, so I can't say which style they use. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 10:16, 27 January 2007 (EST)

In which novel do you recall the title being used? I've got most of them here. Jeoh talk · stalk 
I would agree that if it was referring to a faction it should be capitalised ... but we're kinda of schtuck here since it's both a species and a faction, and there's really no distinction between them, argh. I mean, are there any renegade dragons from their flights?  Kirkburn talk contr 12:53, 27 January 2007 (EST)
Well, my understanding was that "red dragon" is the species and "Red Dragonflight" is the faction; although WoW's "Brood of Nozdormu", etc, et al, has messed that up. Jeoh, try checking '"Day of the Dragon or the WotA trilogy.
A convention we could adopt is that "Dragonflight" refers to, collectively, all dragons of the relevant color who serve the Aspect's cause (this would help deal with Scales of Sand, Guardians of Time, etc.), but that there are subfactions within them.
While we don't know if renegade dragons exist, one could argue that Alextrasza's children who were raised by the Dragonmaw clan are red dragons, but not members of the Red Dragonflight, as they did not serve their Aspect. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 13:49, 27 January 2007 (EST)
Meeeeh... they may have been raised to be rouge, but Alexstrasza still thinks of them as her children according to what she tells Nekros right before she either eats him or burns him to a porky crisp. I'd say that 'dragon' is a species name, 'red dragonflight' is basically just a term to describe their colour and thus their affiliation (usually), and the 'Brood of X' type of name is the faction itself. --User:Varghedin/Sig 17:27, 27 January 2007 (EST)

it ain't easy being green Edit

Talk:Orc#Skin_colour, need your input!  Kirkburn talk contr 13:38, 26 January 2007 (EST)

Argent a fess sable between two dragons passant gardant sable Edit

Talk:Deathwing#Baron_Sablemane_aka._Deathwing.3F. The section title has some relevance :P  Kirkburn talk contr 16:59, 27 January 2007 (EST)

/emote tries to decipher what kind of French herbs Kirkburn had been smoking when he made the title of this topic --User:Varghedin/Sig 17:29, 27 January 2007 (EST)
It said "lions" and not dragons originally, if that helps?  Kirkburn talk contr 18:08, 27 January 2007 (EST)
Just WTF ? Like a heraldic combination ?--K ) (talk) 19:05, 27 January 2007 (EST)
[1]  Kirkburn talk contr 19:13, 27 January 2007 (EST)
I wuz right ! ^^ But just can't understand the "Folyfate or Follyfoot" ...--K ) (talk) 19:24, 27 January 2007 (EST)
Folyfate was the old name of a town, which now has a more modern spelling. That is likely the symbol of the Lord or similar from there.  Kirkburn talk contr 19:36, 27 January 2007 (EST)
I coulda sworn the whole thing was French, with 'between two dragons' put in somewhere random. I guess I'm heraldrically challenged. (Look ma, I made another word) --User:Varghedin/Sig 20:34, 27 January 2007 (EST)

You are both completely insane. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:36, 27 January 2007 (EST)

Despair Edit

Hi, could you do something with the Despair entry? Once it meant only some RPG creatures, but now Despair is also an epic sword that drops in Karazhan (I gave the source on the Despair's discussion page). I renamed the old article, but how am I supposed to delete the redirection and create a new article describing the sword? --Vysogota 23:13, 29 January 2007 (EST)

Find your way to the redirect page, edit it, and just delete the redirect template. You can start adding info from there. You might wish to discuss this with someone who handles item articles more that I do. -_Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:58, 29 January 2007 (EST)

Gul'dan as favorite? Edit

Why is Gul'dan one of your favorite characters? Out of curiosity. // Montagg (talk · contr) 20:03, 1 February 2007 (EST)

At the time I first started playing, I followed the D&D philosophy of evil not being so evil. Now that I (but not my D&Ding friend from the time) know better, I still find him interesting, largely because of his power and his relationship with Kil'jaeden. Those two seem to violate almost every rule of evil written. He's nowhere near the top of my list by any means (rearrange the syllables of my username to find out who's at the top), but he's an interesting character study, and I'm hoping that villans in my own writing can be improved by examining him and Kil'jaeden. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 22:01, 1 February 2007 (EST)
(You always start off with two indents. =c) How would you say they violate every "evil" rule written? They seem like pretty standard bad guys to me. // Montagg (talk · contr) 22:44, 1 February 2007 (EST)
Ok, I exagerrate, but they are relatively nontypical- for one thing, in a number of high fantasy, the evil warlord is double-crossed by his wizard, who then underestimates the dragon, or the evil wizard is an extension of the warlord. Also, Kil'jaeden displays unusual mercy (albiet for his own reasons), which, though found in other archvillans, is still pretty rare. Also, Kil'jaeden's threat has been quietly looming, never quite there, never quite not; hence, his name is whispered with fear, while "C'Thun", "Illidan" or "Azshara" are shouted. Even in the face of retcons, that hasn't really changed. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 22:55, 1 February 2007 (EST)
I definitely agree with you on Kil'Jaeden. Although, I find it hard to admire Gul'dan, in an evil sense. He doesn't seem as pleasantly unpredictable as Kil'Jaeden or others. // Montagg (talk · contr) 22:58, 1 February 2007 (EST)
That said, there is something to be said about one man who's lust for power altered the course of two worlds. In fact, in a cosmic sense, Gul'dan could be among those responsible for the Legion's eventual downfall: By sending the orcs to Azeroth, he caused the Alliance, which, in the future, shall unite with the Horde that Thrall reforged to form a grand Army of the Light. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:11, 1 February 2007 (EST)
I'm more partial to Nerz'hul for those same reasons: altering the fate of two worlds and somehow managing to be a really bad guy without being THE bad guy. // Montagg (talk · contr) 23:41, 1 February 2007 (EST)

MoM Talk Edit

→ Info from the source! User talk:Kali Magdalene  Kirkburn talk contr 08:03, 2 February 2007 (EST)

I have never even seen one of the RPG books in person (and I refuse to dish out the cash for a light reading books that cost more than college textbooks- for the price of MoM, I could get five fantasy novels with an eighth of the controversy). Moreover, Baggins maintains that all lore sources are equal, whereas I feel there is a hierarchy. Hence, I am biased towards these books. I think that Metzen's etheusiasm just got ahead of him here.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 08:49, 2 February 2007 (EST)

Contact Edit

Hey Ragestorm. Just wondering if you have any contact details you're willing to give out, or even the likelyhood of you coming into the IRC chan. :p Sure we could have some interesting lore discussion and would be nicer to have another voice for the lore issues in the chan.

Also, wondered if there is any lore communities or sites you hang out at. --Zealtalkcontrweb 21:36, 6 February 2007 (EST)

My lore activities are exclusive to WoWWiki (you'd think I'd be a bit more effective with that). I find the forum system annoying. As for IRC, let's just say I'm still reviewing. Mac programs are on the pricey side, and I haven't yet the time to figure it out at the moment. Since you've added another pressure point to the issue, I'll get it sorted the week after next.
My e-mail is, if you've got the odd question you don't want the wiki to see. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:15, 6 February 2007 (EST)
Isn't there any free Mac IRC clients? :S Anyways, nothing private, just easier to talk over IRC and IM, think it would be nice to have a chat with you on lore some time, get your perspective on things, plus get your opinion more voiced in the lore issues that get discussed at times. Hopefully see ya soon on there :) --Zealtalkcontrweb 23:19, 6 February 2007 (EST)

I'll give you my IM later- as it's the end of the first, err... hexmester?... I've got a busy week ahead of me, so I'll get back to you on that. Addendum: I have yet to locate a free IRC client for the Mac. It's the curse of using a better computer.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:23, 6 February 2007 (EST)

The IRC channel has about 40 people on at any one time now... Make it 41! :) IRC is awesome, no pressure to chat at all, you can just leave it in the background and watch the crazies talk. I use XChat - the Mac OSX build is here:[2]. Free, and easy!  Kirkburn talk contr 23:30, 6 February 2007 (EST)
Someone just mentioned to me that Colloquy is a good Mac client: [3]  Kirkburn talk contr 23:34, 6 February 2007 (EST)

Hmm... your appearance was just a little too sudden to be a coincidence. Wait a minute, isn't it 4:40 in the morning where you are? -_Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:39, 6 February 2007 (EST)

Haha, it's an intervention Ragestorm, see the light, come to IRC and stay up until the late hours like the rest of us ;) --Zealtalkcontrweb 23:44, 6 February 2007 (EST)

The race to 70 overtook me! Gonna 'sort-of' sleep in a while, my body clock is all messed up again :P In any case, I'm 70, I managed it 30mins before server shutdown and I have my snowy gryphon! So all is good.  Kirkburn talk contr 23:48, 6 February 2007 (EST)

And people say the English are boring. Either way, I win. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:50, 6 February 2007 (EST)
Out of curiousity, What server do you play on and what lvl are you?

The Ogre Edit

I'd suggest just letting Ogre burn himself out. The less we respond, the less he'll have to respond to. // Montagg (talk · contr) 21:55, 10 February 2007 (EST)

You raise the best point I've heard in a while. I just couldn't let that personnel line go, though. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 22:00, 10 February 2007 (EST)
And dude, get IRC. =c) // Montagg (talk · contr) 22:09, 10 February 2007 (EST)
I'd insult you right now, but I'm not fluent in binary, so for now, I'll just say "working on it." -_Ragestorm (talk · contr) 22:14, 10 February 2007 (EST)
I just hate to have you missing our sarcastic comments. // Montagg (talk · contr) 22:16, 10 February 2007 (EST)

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