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December 2010 comments Edit

Migration question Edit

Do you plan to stay with WoWWiki despite the migration to Wowpedia? They're apparently desperate for help around here since all of the active editors have left Wikia. I'm not sure what point there is to staying, but I thought I'd ask since you seem to be the only active user left. Shaponik (talk) 03:22, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

I do indeed tend to stay here as long as I am needed and as long as the community - whether the small one there is now or the potential one in the future - wants me.Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 03:48, December 3, 2010 (UTC)
Oh, you're a Wikia staff member. I feel a little silly. I was looking for the mythical genuine WoWWiki holdovers. Sorry about that. Anyway, good luck keeping up. :) Shaponik (talk) 04:15, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Regarding the notion that you "don't see what you are referring to" on Forum:WoWWiki's new location - I think he was talking about http://www.wowpedia.org/User_talk:Servian. I am not Bellocois but have been talking with him off-wiki about this matter. Can you tell me with a straight face that there are ten (or even more than the one or two I've seen who basically wanted to protest against Curse but weren't going to be contributing substantially to WoWWiki) users not affiliated with Wikia who know about the new site but are staying here to contribute to the encyclopedia? Even Deadlykris agreed with that. Shaponik (talk) 18:11, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

I have undone your removal of a legitimate message as well. If User:KaurosWoW informs one of us that he knows about Wowpedia and wants to continue creating duplicate articles here, I'm fine with that. But I am not going to waste people's time. Shaponik (talk) 18:16, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Are you here to contribute to wowwiki? I notice the only edits you have made are to the forum thread concerning wowpedia. If you are not interested in contributing to this site, then you are indeed 'wasting people's time'. Leaving messages on user's talk pages was evidently already brought up before in other discussions and people were subsequently asked not to advertise about wowpedia on people's talk pages. My assumption is that this is a policy that is still in effect, and I will enforce it. If a user here is contributing, let them contribute. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 23:15, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Please use Protected template on pages you protect Edit

The {{Protected}} template was made to notify users that a page has been protected so only admins can edit it. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 10:34 AM PST 4 Dec 2010

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I was unaware of this. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 17:36, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Wikia contractor? Edit

How much do they pay for this? I'm not trying to flame you. You've got me wondering now that I read http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Helper_Group . Astranath (talk) 22:51, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for passing on my suggestions Edit

I've been trying to get JoePlay to respond on Community, but he seems to be ignoring me. As far as WoWWiki goes, I could see why Wikia might be ambivalent with working with me, because I never hestitate to criticize Wikia, but ignoring me is a bit immature.

I am curious, though, why someone made me a bureaucrat without telling me or having it appear in the logs. I'll have to think about whether I want to keep that status, because it might damage my credibility at Wowpedia. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4:18 PM PST 7 Dec 2010

Not a problem at all. I appreciated seeing your ideas and will do what is in my power to implement those that I can. As for your Bureaucrat status, the User Rights log connected to your profile shows that you've been at that status since November 5, 2009, and the person that switched you from the Bureaucrats, Patrollers and Administrators to Bureaucrats was you. I don't know that any changes would be hidden from me, so I can only assume that you forgot? I'm limited by what is shown in that log, though can certainly do some digging for more information or even change your status if you'd like. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 00:26, December 8, 2010 (UTC)
That is so strange. I swear my user rights got taken away at some point. Otherwise I would have done alot more. Well, I guess I will start looking for some users to make admins. I won't say I will be that bureaucrat that I mentioned in my suggestions, but I can work toward it. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 11:31 PM PST 7 Dec 2010

Reverts Edit

Why did you revert my notices on user talk pages about Wowpedia? I'd at least expect an explanation on my user talk page why you reverted it. --Havenstrom (talk) 09:19, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

Policy has been handed down that editors should not post such messages to user talk pages; the reason I said nothing at this point is that I am making a general announcement tomorrow (I guess later today, actually) on the forums. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 09:22, December 8, 2010 (UTC)
Where is this policy at? I've seen no changes to the policy pages within the last 2 months.
Just out of curiousity: how will (non-)editors be notified of this? --Havenstrom (talk) 09:29, December 8, 2010 (UTC)
It's really already in the guidelines: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Talk_page_guidelines "The practice of "spamming" — posting similar messages to more than a few users' talk pages, often for the purpose of soliciting a certain action — is discouraged. (Negated in the case of welcoming new users and the like)." It could also be argued that posting such messages defeats the purpose of and disrupts the continued operation of the wiki, which is some other policy somewhere. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 09:37, December 8, 2010 (UTC) (Edit: I'm going to bed now; just wanted to let you know I wasn't ignoring you if you posted back.)
Sure, but you haven't replied to my second question. --Havenstrom (talk) 09:44, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

User: Havenstrom's talk page Edit

  1. You had no right to revert the edit I made to User:Havenstrom's user page. I didn't state the 'competing site' by name, and didn't state anything untrue. I also didn't break any policy rules with my post.
  2. He wanted an answer if non-editors would be told about the competing site, which is what I posted since you couldn't be bothered to. Reverting edits which even elude to another site looks bad on Wikia, especially when the edit had nothing to do with you in the first place. Its nice that you're a Wikia helper and editing wowwiki, but this isn't communist Russia and you don't get to steamroll over everyone and the policies already in place just because you feel like it. Resa1983 (talk) 00:08, December 9, 2010 (UTC)
Your post was not only inflammatory to me, but derogatory to the site. Please refrain from posting in such a manner. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 00:12, December 9, 2010 (UTC)
Better? [1] Resa1983 (talk) 00:35, December 9, 2010 (UTC)
Much. Thank you very much. I'm in the process of getting the welcome template changed to hopefully link to the forum threads; I should note that the policies in the thread are not new, however - only the penalties are, and those likely are only for the short-term. Again, thank you. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 00:38, December 9, 2010 (UTC)
"Derogatory to the site"? I wasn't aware that the site has feelings. Also, that's an amusing interpretation of WW:DE on the forum post. Are Wikia staff aware why that policy got implemented in the first place? --Kaydeethree (talk) 02:45, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Forum:Regarding Policies Edit

Are you applying these amendments to existing policy as an admin of WoWWiki or an employee of Wikia? This post, while well-intentioned seems to be dictated rather than agreed upon.

Have you read WoWWiki:Policy status phases? I suggest you do. Tell me if it makes you rethink any of your recent actions. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 7:26 PM PST 8 Dec 2010

The policies haven't been changed, just the consequences. That being said, what I posted was not something that I unilaterally decided and, like I've said, this is a short-term thing. I can have someone else come in and explain things, if that would help. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 03:31, December 9, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, please. Why are Wikia staff throwing you under the bus? If you did not decide unilaterally, why post something that gives everyone the impression that it is unilateral? Why all the secrecy? Wikia's lack of transparency is part of the reason people look at recent actions with great skepticism.
I'm am trying hard not to directly contradict many things you post. Does Wikia want to work with me or against me? A united front is not being presented at all. Even Deadlykris is now beginning to publicly question some of Wikia's actions and reasoning. The lack of communication and cooperation is very discouraging. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 1:15 PM PST 9 Dec 2010
Fandy, why do you think we moved? This is what the admin staff was working with for a long time. --PcjWoWWiki admin (TDrop me a line!C62,301 contributions and counting) 21:19, December 9, 2010 (UTC)
At the end of the day, all I can do is explain my own actions, Fandyllic, and not the actions of others. I, too, would like to work together. Perhaps this is the best time to nail down exactly how our relationship should work--I'm still getting used to this 'non-hierarchical hierarchy' and have certainly stumbled. I'm glad you point it out when I do, because it only makes me a better asset for this wiki in the long run. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 21:40, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Forum:Tightening Penalties: Proposal to be rejected Edit

Sorry Raylan13, but unless Wikia or you have some compelling objections, Forum:Tightening Penalties: Proposal is going to be rejected on Monday (20-Dec-2010). By the current process it has lost soundly. I think if you were to re-propose some of the milder parts of the proposal in separate pieces, some would pass, but altogether... no. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 6:30 PM PST 18 Dec 2010

Actually, I have no issues with just leaving things as is. The community made some good comments in there, and I don't see any reason currently to pursue the matter further. At the very least it opened my eyes to the proposition and voting process, which was invaluable to me. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 17:01, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

Good resource for subzone listing Edit

Just FYI, DB MMO-Champion (aka Sigrie) lists subzones for zones, if you ever need to know that. For example, Twilight Highlands has a big list of subzones. Wowhead doesn't have these lists, so it's kind of nice. --Gengar orange 22x22Beware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 6:43 PM PST 27 Dec 2010

Thanks for the link. I will definitely be using it. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 16:10, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

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