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− | Hi Warthok, and welcome to WoWWiki. Nice work on the Wrynn articles. I just had a question about the [[Landam Wrynn II]] article. The description of him currently in the article conflicts with the source provided, [[Chronicles of the War in Azeroth]], which says that the events described took place during the reign of his son [[Wrynn III]]. Do you have a source that you are working from for Landam Wrynn's biography? --[[User:Aeleas|Aeleas]] 02:42, 29 April 2006 (EDT) |
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− | yes. as you may know from studying the lore, many of the old articles provided by blizzard (particularly those of warcraft 1 and 2) are outdated. warcraft 1 manual refers to priests as agents of God, and some events which are stated to occour over 30 years in [[Chronicles of the War in Azeroth]] have been revised to have happened in 1 year (time from which portal opened to the fall of stormwind). the info involvling Landom Wyrnn comes from the new blizzard approved Pocketbook "Cycle of Hatred". Aegwyn states she visits King Landom Wyrnn's court to find Nielas Aran. since we know king wyrnn the III's first name is Adamant from the WoW rpgs (ill provide the exact quote and page as soon as i can) it only makes sense to assume Landam is the 2nd as its highly unlikely 2 kings passed away in the time medivh grew to teenagehood. |
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− | basicly in the revised timeline. Landam is king when Medivh is concieved, Adamant when the portal is open, and Llane when stormwind is razed. quite honestly the old matierial should be taken as a rough overview. the events still occuored in roughly the same way but the specifics are quite off, especial with warcraft I which wasnt created by Metzen. |
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− | ::Thanks, I'll update the articles with that information. Is Landen Wrynn referred to explicitly as Landen Wrynn II in any official sources? If not, his article shouldn't include the number. Also, do the the numbers for Llane Wrynn IV, Varian Wrynn V, and Anduin Wrynn VI all come from an RPG book? --[[User:Aeleas|Aeleas]] 12:46, 29 April 2006 (EDT) |
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− | no the number 2 is never used. however we know adamant is llanes father who is as you know the III. llane is refered to as the IV. so its just common sense that varien is the 5th, auduin the 6th and Landen the 2nd. |
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− | ::That may be, but it's speculation. It's also possible that Adamant was the third king of Stormwind by that name, and Llane was the fourth "King Llane". Or the number system could have fallen out of use. Biography articles should be listed under the full name as it appears in official sources.--[[User:Aeleas|Aeleas]] 12:44, 30 April 2006 (EDT) |
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− | == [[General Colbatann]] == |
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− | See [http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=10196 wowhead name]. The correct name is the above, not your addition. ;). I am reverting your changes. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [http://www.wowhead.com/?user=Skyfire w]) 06:14, 20 May 2007 (UTC) |
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− | :my mistake. it seems the rpg has it spelled Cobaltann instead of Colbatann. im assuming the intended name was cobaltann as cobalt is a shade of blue while colbat means nothing as far as im aware. not sure what to do in this situation.{{unsigned|Warthok}} |
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− | ::Don't worry about it. WoW devs probably deliberately misspelled it, and then the RPG 'corrected' the spelling. All reverted now --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [http://www.wowhead.com/?user=Skyfire w]) 06:20, 20 May 2007 (UTC) |
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− | :::cool. ty for yoyr help |
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− | Someone likes dragons:) ([[User:Keilden|Keilden]] 06:43, 21 May 2007 (UTC)) |
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− | :hehe yes. that and doing research. got bored and figured id go through the rpgs, the mmo, and novels and make sure every wyrm, drake, and whelp has a page. [[User:Warthok|Warthok]] 08:09, 21 May 2007 (UTC) |
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− | Regarding shortening General Colbatann page, I believe that those was two different citations from two sources marked by tags ({{Cite|LoM|88,89}} and {{Cite|LoM|24&25}}). Your edit broke citation and messed up tags making it no longer match original and attributing it to wrong source. Therefore I think you should revert it. --[[User:Rowaasr13|Rowaasr13]] 07:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC) |
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− | :I actualy checked the source first. the pages refrenced in the citation i deleted ({{Cite|LoM|88,89}}) were about the topic of azjol-nerub and baelgun. did not meantion a single piece of information involving colbatann, mazthoril, or the blue flight. chances are someone was doing a lot of edits, copied another citation from another page and forgot to change the page numbers to 24&25 instead of 88&89. if youll notice most of the info in both paragraphs was nearly idenitical.[[User:Warthok|Warthok]] 07:59, 26 June 2007 (UTC) |
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− | :: Good point. --[[User:Rowaasr13|Rowaasr13]] 08:07, 26 June 2007 (UTC) |
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− | :::Hmm old discussion but I think I should probably clarify. The spelling "Cobaltann" actually predates World of Warcraft to about the time of the release of The Frozen Throne, in the very first Warcraft RPG book. It was later reused in Lands of Mystery. ...and yes the spelling is different in-game.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 06:41, 6 March 2009 (UTC) |
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− | == Dragon whelp, not Dragon Whelp == |
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− | I undid your change of the article names. See [[WoWWiki:Policy/Naming]]. --{{User:Varghedin/Sig}} 06:47, 21 May 2007 (UTC) |
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− | :my apologies [[User:Warthok|Warthok]] 08:08, 21 May 2007 (UTC) |
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− | :: You're doing some nice work on the dragonkin otherwise. It's been needing a bit of filling. --{{User:Varghedin/Sig}} 08:11, 21 May 2007 (UTC) |
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− | Maybe you might want to use [[:Image:Onyxia2.jpg]] instead. If so, I'd suggest deleting the old one. :) --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [http://www.wowhead.com/?user=Skyfire w]) 03:23, 5 June 2007 (UTC) |
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− | == Constant stream of minor edits == |
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− | Keep uo the good work! --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 14:33, 15 July 2007 (UTC) |
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− | ty. just trying to add some uniformity to the dragon section them im moving onto demons.[[User:Warthok|Warthok]] 15:37, 15 July 2007 (UTC) |
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− | == {{t|Red Dragonflight}} == |
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− | I'm personally surprised no-one thought of it earlier. Do you think it would be a good idea to add all the racial links, as well as the other named mobs. I'm coming to you since you're the dragon person, now. :P --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [http://www.wowhead.com/?user=Skyfire w]) 19:28, 16 July 2007 (UTC) |
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− | :yes eventualy im gonna be adding drakes whelps etc... as well as home locations like the Nexus, eye of ysera etc...maybe important events if i can find any worth meantioning. still not sure how im gonna do it all exactly. but i saw the new templates going up yesterday and i really liked what i saw.[[User:Warthok|Warthok]] 19:31, 16 July 2007 (UTC) |
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− | You might want to use the "show preview" button- it will let you see how your edits look before they're actually made, thereby preventing unneeded edits. --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 22:46, 24 July 2007 (UTC) |
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− | == Dragonflight pics == |
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− | I like the dragonflight pics you made and put into the respective infoboxes. Maybe you could make similar ones for the Netherwing and Infinite flights? --{{User:Varghedin/Sig}} 10:16, 28 July 2007 (UTC) |
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− | :good idea. i just need to get the latest version of model viewer and i'll get on that.[[User:Warthok|Warthok]] 10:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC) |
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− | ::Looks awesome man :) --{{User:Varghedin/Sig}} 18:07, 4 August 2007 (UTC) |
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− | :::I really liked the way the Infinite one came out. Its easier to position them now. the netherwing one i wasnt thrilled about, mostly because the models don't really look as if they belong together. i might end up redoing that one.[[User:Warthok|Warthok]] 19:22, 4 August 2007 (UTC) |
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− | Just a quick note to say, great work on the dragonflight pages. You're a real asset :) {{User:Kirkburn/Sig3}} 06:36, 12 August 2007 (UTC) |
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− | :all finished. well never truely finished but the five main flights' pages now have some uniformity and hopefully a complete summary of their histories unless i missed some major events.[[User:Warthok|Warthok]] 03:31, 14 August 2007 (UTC) |
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− | Could you update Blue and Red Dragonflight's Image with the models of Alexstrasza and Malygos?(btw, great job i love those images:D)--{{User:Gorund/Sig2}} 15:04, 13 October 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :Unfortunetly model viewer does not yet work WotLK, (It did with earlier versions which is how i got keristraszas model in). It crashes.So until it's updated the pictures are stuck that way.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 17:11, 13 October 2008 (UTC) |
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− | ::I discovered a working fan-version at [http://www.wowmodelviewer.org/forum/index.php?topic=3916.0 this link]...it works for me.--{{User:Gorund/Sig2}} 20:23, 13 November 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :::Ty. Actualy did find that one just a short while ago. I'll be updating the images soon as i can tear myself away from WoW :). Theres just 2 or 3 models that continue to crash for me.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 22:16, 13 November 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :::: ye, i sometimes crash with taunka and some creature.m2 models, but it works verywell. Only, i would like the itemlist to be updated:P--{{User:Gorund/Sig2}} 12:03, 15 November 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :::: Oh, and an "Azure Dragonflight" Image or something similar would be nice as well... if it doesn't take too much time of course^^--{{User:Gorund/Sig2}} 12:31, 17 November 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :::::Red's up. The blue, which will include the azure models, i'm hoping to get done tomorrow...err should i say today, after i get some sleep.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 12:48, 23 November 2008 (UTC) |
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− | ::::::Great Work with the red one, can't wait to see the other one:D--{{User:Gorund/Sig2}} 10:29, 25 November 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :::::::I'm not entirely happy with the red. i have a version of up to where i think it looked good saved and am going to redo it. The blue shortly after. its just hard to pull myself away from wrath.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 11:43, 25 November 2008 (UTC) |
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− | ==Krasus color image== |
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− | Where was the source of the color version of Krasus image? It needs a link to the original artwork to prove if its official, and not some fan recolor. Otherwise the black and white version will have to be used in the infobox.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 06:37, 14 October 2007 (UTC) |
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− | :The desktop wallpaper section at SotS. same with the cenarius and medivh ones i added. http://www.sonsofthestorm.com/downloads.html [[User:Warthok|Warthok]] 07:58, 14 October 2007 (UTC) |
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− | ::Actualy if you click on the wallpapers, select view artwork and then go to the large size you get these, which i think look better: [[User:Warthok|Warthok]] 08:35, 14 October 2007 (UTC) |
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− | : Aha, colours by [[René Koiter]]. Definately official :) {{User:Kirkburn/Sig4}} 14:56, 14 October 2007 (UTC) |
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− | ::As long as they are official that's great. Just remember to add links to the picture pages in the future.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 17:13, 14 October 2007 (UTC) |
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− | You're a good colorer. |
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− | :Actualy the recolors are official. done by rene of twiscruiser it seems. found em on the sots site.[[User:Warthok|Warthok]] 05:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC) |
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− | ==Undead High Elf Icons== |
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− | Thank you for making an icon for the undead Elves. |
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− | [[User:Mr.X8|Mr.X8]] 01:33, 27 October 2007 (UTC) |
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− | : Hey man. I changed your undead elf icon, and I hope you don't mind. I made one for the male using the ingame graphics, but that made a huge discrepancy in how the female and male icons looked, so I changed the female to correspond better to the male. See my chat --{{User:Varghedin/Sig}} 15:46, 27 October 2007 (UTC) |
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− | I saw, no worries. looks much better. just made one myself because i didn't want to use the banshee for sylvannas but yours look much closer to both darkhan and sylvannas. not to meantion match the rest better.[[User:Warthok|Warthok]] 08:25, 28 October 2007 (UTC) |
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− | While you go through the campaigns would you mind taking some high res screenshots of the static heroes in the games? Following what I did for [[Morbent Fell]] (I used the highest resolution possible in the game)?[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 20:03, 11 November 2007 (UTC) |
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− | :Sure. I'll start where i am now and once im done ill go back and get the ones i already passed.[[User:Warthok|Warthok]] 20:14, 11 November 2007 (UTC) |
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− | ::Thanks, :).[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 20:16, 11 November 2007 (UTC) |
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− | :::Quick question. Would you perfer the portrait as well, like i did with [[Jennalla Deemspring]] or just the unit screenshot like yours. [[User:Warthok|Warthok]] 20:53, 11 November 2007 (UTC) |
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− | You can add both only if they aren't combined into the same photo... That is rather poor quality, and we are trying to do away with that type of screenshot on most pages. Put whichever you think looks the best in the NPC box, and the other in the article or gallery section.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 20:57, 11 November 2007 (UTC) |
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− | BTW, zoomed side view images are better than overhead images (try to get frontal shots if possible).[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 21:41, 11 November 2007 (UTC) |
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− | :Please avoid uploading embedded images (image within an image). Make sure each image is seperate. If there are too many images for a page use the gallery feature. Please.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 23:55, 11 November 2007 (UTC) |
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− | == GoGB == |
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− | Yeah, I know. I changed the title to add a little bit of difference to the page. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]]<span style="font-size: 85%"> ([[User talk:Sky2042|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|con]] |<span class="plainlinks"> [http://www.wowhead.com/?user=Skyfire wh]</span>)</span> 07:16, 26 November 2007 (UTC) |
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− | : Doesn't make it correct though :P {{User:Kirkburn/Sig4}} 12:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC) |
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− | ::The name I changed it to was a correct interpretation, just not the name referenced by the books and such. Pft! He changed it back, anyway. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]]<span style="font-size: 85%"> ([[User talk:Sky2042|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|con]] |<span class="plainlinks"> [http://www.wowhead.com/?user=Skyfire wh]</span>)</span> 04:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC) |
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− | Thanks for editing! - Garridan |
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− | I transcluded the template from the separate page, as I didn't want the bot editing my main page. [[User:Sky2042/editcount]] has the actual page. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] | [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] | [http://www.wowhead.com/?user=Skyfire w]) 07:49, 21 February 2008 (UTC) |
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− | Ah i c. thanks.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 07:50, 21 February 2008 (UTC) |
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− | == Mobbox -> npcbox == |
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− | While I appreciate your work with converting <nowiki>{{mobbox}}</nowiki> to <nowiki>{{npcbox}}</nowiki>, I could not help notice that you forgot changing the variables too. For example "type" in npcbox is Rare, Elite etc, while "type" in mobbox is the npc's type (Humanoid, Beast, Demon etc.). Also, "faction=Combat" need to be added too. Please edit the articles you've changed to reflect this. (I have already started from the back of your contributions) Read the template's documentation if you need help.--{{User:Gourra/Sig2}} 12:00, 12 April 2008 (UTC) |
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− | Then source it, silly. Nice that you included it in the page history, but put it in the text instead using a citation :P. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [http://www.wowhead.com/?user=Skyfire w]) 04:36, 1 May 2008 (UTC) |
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− | You are aware that the links you added aren't really short stories in the clearest sense of the term, but more like encyclopedia articles right?[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 10:19, 5 May 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :It crossed my mind. 'Shamans and Paladins' and 'The Undead Plague' sort of read like short stories which is why i added them. Murlocs and Troll Compendium were clearly articles which is why i didn't. 'Story so far' and 'Rise of the Lich King' seemed more like summaries. War of the Shifting Sands however i think is very clearly a short story.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 10:22, 5 May 2008 (UTC) |
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− | ::Shamans and Paladins seems almost like a summary to me. More of an annal if anything (in the Tolkien sense of the term), a synopses of a tale that is meant to be found elsewhere in true prose form. If were adding annal-like materials then we'd probably have to add every single one off chapter many of the RPG books that covers a certain subject, :p... Undead Plague seems like an article about the plague, that is what the plague is, and how it was developed. An essay. War of the Shifting sands is definitely a short story, it is written in true prose form.--[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 10:28, 5 May 2008 (UTC) |
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− | ::Already removed Undead Plague. The only hesitation as far as S&P goes is while Velen's Vision can be considered a summary of Unbroken, is there any place other than 'Stealing the Light' where the events it depicts are explained in more detail? {{User:Warthok/Sig}} 10:32, 5 May 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :::After looking it over i agree. S&P are short web descriptions (maybe a little more drawn out than others) rather than actual stories. Linking to them would be like linking to the hunter, warlock, etc... descriptions. {{User:Warthok/Sig}} 10:36, 5 May 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :::Well I wasn't saying that the info could specifically be found in another source, but it definitely seems to be written in the annalistic style rather than a prose novel/short story. By my reference to Tolkien I meant he was big on writing annals with the intent of going back and writing prose stories based on them later on. Its those annals/essay forms that make up the majority of Silm, for example. Whereas Children of Hurin edited by his son, is the novel form of one stories told in the annals (created by combining the most completed drafts of the prose versions of the story, although it utilizes some of JRR's annal work as well to fill in the gaps). Although a better example would be "Of the Rings of Power" at the end of Silm being more of the annal version of The Lord of the Rings.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 10:42, 5 May 2008 (UTC) |
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− | That makes perfect sense. I was really just worried about not having any easy-to-find direct link to important sources of lore that newbies may otherwise miss (Stealing the Light). But the article in question is about short stories, which StL is not, and the History of Warcraft article does contain a easily visible link to the the site.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 10:49, 5 May 2008 (UTC) |
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− | Well, glad we discussed here instead of an edit war heh heh. In anycase if you feel like you can add a link to the "history of Warcraft" in the introduction to the short stories article, go ahead, :). If you can relate the short stories to the overall history. I mean I'm certain short stories are part of the history in a round about way heh heh. At least the books they are found in are.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 10:59, 5 May 2008 (UTC) |
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− | ==Highborne article help== |
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− | BTW, I sent a version to this message to Vorbis as well, but you might be able to help as well. While expansion to the article is one thing, the changes that were made to the article in my absence have two problems. |
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− | 2. It stripped details and citations drawn from the RPG. Again, as you know we consider rpg citations to be valid as any other source, and citations can at least lead people back to the source to read for themselves a version of the account. |
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− | Thanks.-[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] 17:22, 5 May 2008 (UTC) |
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− | ==Adventure Hooks== |
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− | I commented in [[Talk:Sunwell#Rewrite]]. But yes essentially adventure hooks shouldn't be removed as they represent a type of lore. Although they don't necessarily need to be in the main history list. It depends on the article.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 09:21, 11 May 2008 (UTC) |
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− | Ah completely forgot about asking. Thanks baggins.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 06:09, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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− | Well while Lands of Conflict and Lands of Mystery took the route that adventure hooks within those two books were "rumors" & stories Brann has overheard during his adventures, Dark Factions gives the slight warning the new ones included in the new book. That they may be not be events that would ever show up in the World of Warcraft MMO. Now it doesn't flat out say they are events that can't happen or won't happen in lore or that they "aren't lore", just not likely to ever happen in the MMO. However oddly most of them are actually based on actual WoW quests or quest lines (WoW players would already know the "outcome"). A few are based on lore established in previous sources, and don't really add anything new. The blah blah Balnazzar is such and such in disquise blah blah, heroes go and defeat him blah blah kind of quests (this example actually is a combination of WoW quest, and established lore). |
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− | There are very few actual "new quests" in the adventure hooks. Some of these might actual give some insight into certain details. For example one hook discusses the possiblity of a underground tunnels being under the Master's Glaive. While I doubt we'll ever get a dungeon in the MMO under the glaive, the most important detail from it is that it calls the dead creature there a "forgotten one", connecting it to other old god "minions" or creatures. |
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− | In anycase when referring to these new hooks I tend to treat these ideas as "rumors" hardly something set in stone, but just might have an inkling of insight into design processes. But its certainly more credible than some rumors people pull out of their asses because it can be cited... But like its said these things may never appear in the MMO (even if it seems many already did), they maybe just limited to the RPG lore itself. :p...--[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 07:27, 22 May 2008 (UTC) |
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− | Please do not remove the former content; rather, just add the sd tag in a newline at the top of the page. Much appreciated. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [http://www.wowhead.com/?user=Skyfire w]) 19:04, 12 June 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :My apoligies.I'll be sure to do that from now on.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 23:05, 26 June 2008 (UTC) |
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− | ==Inevitable Beyond the Dark Portal information updates== |
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− | Generally speaking considering that there are inevitable differences between the novel and other accounts we are going to have to add the info but also show the differences in other info. For the case of Kilrogg for example I already started the seperation by splitting his info into subheadings, and new info can be added under one of those subheadings and the major difference I put under its own subheading with a WoW tag (I'm veing vague to avoid spoilers right now if you can't tell). |
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− | Now very large changes between say the expansion pack and the novel account, where the update would involve the entire artile to be rewritten, I'd suggest on the pages creating a new heading that chronicles the older account, while |
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− | Small differences (i.e less than a single paragraph, generally speaking where the difference can be summerized in perhaps a sentence) could have editorial notes interspersed throughout the main history or lore sections of the article. Something similar to [[History of the Horde]] if you need example. If a difference can be traced back and officially said to be a belief of individuals or characters then both accounts should be listed as alternative beliefs, pointing out who believed it or the general idea that it is believed by a group of people. An example would be [[Lothar]]'s death accounts. |
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− | If you come accross older info that isn't cited and can't be cited (I.E. it was fan speculation to begin with) then that speculation should be eliminated and replaced with info derived from official accounts, following above criteria. |
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− | On a related note those Warcraft II battle pages should follow the game's battles as opposed to any battles mentioned in the novels themselves. They are specific mission articles. As for Tides of Darkness they can be updated with info from the narrative accounts in the WArcraft II strategy guide. As those represent novelized versions of those specific battles. BTW, I"m still trying to find out if the strategy guide for Beyond the Dark Portal was also written in novelized form.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 20:13, 6 July 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :Thanks Baggins. I forsaw problems coming soon as i started reading the novel. Honestly the events from warcraft 2, the expansion and the warcraft i manual have become so jumbled in my head i can;t remeber which source, said which clan did what. A few things solved themselves. I'm being vague as well but what i mean is some newer elements are clearly changes from the prior version but technicly speaking never contradict each other so it works out (i.e. warcraft iii never specialy said such events didnt happen). Others will be trickier but i figure phrasing like "it was believed", "it is/was unclear", etc.. along with citations to older sources should cover it. Long as everything official ever said on the matter gets into the articles. |
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− | :BTW i have the Warcraft III battlenet edition stratagey guide that includes the BtDP matierial. The only non-stratagy matierial i see is the mission introductions that can be found verbatim in-game.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 21:34, 6 July 2008 (UTC) |
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− | ::Does your guide include the [[Milan]] and [[Urok Scratcher]] bits for Tides of DArkness sections? If so perhaps you could start helping with the Warcraft II Tides of Darkness mission pages.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 22:30, 6 July 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :::yes it does. i'd be happy to lend a hand.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 22:52, 6 July 2008 (UTC) |
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− | ::::One final question aany narrative in the Orcs and Humans strat guide? BTW, if you haven't checked it out you might take a look at my sandbox page for a work in progress, [[User:Baggins/sandbox]]. Its an article that tries to show the order of the quests as close to chronologically as they are in the games, and where the two tides of darkness campaigns reference each other.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 02:24, 7 July 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :::::Don't have the orcs and humans strat guide i'm afraid. Nice work though, nice way to refamiliarize myself w/o having to cheat code my way throufgh war2 for the seventeenth time.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 04:23, 7 July 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :Alright I'm done converting the Warcraft II OSG info to the related battle pages. It might still be useful to adapt the non-novelized Beyond the Dark portal walkthrough into a blow by blow account of the battles. Also find out if there is in insight into the background, from the way the author described the maps.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 07:55, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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− | == Bookkeepers == |
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− | After a lengthy absence, the [[WoWWiki:Bookkeepers]] are returning. Our goals will be the same as the previous group, maintaining and improving the lore pages, et cetera. This is a formal invitation for you to join out the group. You'd be doing much the same as you've been doing, but you would also be involved in Bookkeeper projects and initiatives. Particularly in light of the Wrymrest Accord, I think we need an authority on the dragons, which is where you come in. What do you say? --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 16:41, 9 August 2008 (UTC) |
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− | Sounds good Rage. I'm in.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 16:50, 9 August 2008 (UTC) |
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− | == [[WW:DNP]] == |
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− | Do not post speculation and unreleased content. Doing so is against [[WW:DNP]] and [[WW:LORE#Speculation]], and continuing to do so will cause your account to be blocked from editing. Thank you. --{{User:Pcj/sig}} 17:09, 21 August 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :My apologies Pcj. I'm well aware of that rule just for some reason it didn't register with me that datamining has nothing to do with the NDA being lifted.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 05:35, 22 August 2008 (UTC) |
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− | ==Dragonflight capitalization== |
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− | I've just noticed that some of the dragonflight pages are capitalized. I just wanted to confirm if "dragonflight" is proper noun, and thus capitalized, or if it is not capitalized in most uses(and should be treated like 'clan' or 'tribe' pages). I could check, but I'm busy working on something else.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 09:50, 24 August 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :I'm looking through a few sources and no, it's not one. I'll change the main pages.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 10:27, 24 August 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :You'll have to move blue and black. Something (Existing page) is preventing me from moving them.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 10:55, 24 August 2008 (UTC) |
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− | ==Warcraft III double images== |
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− | Its good that you are replacing the dark tichondrious images. However, could you split them into two seperate images instead of just one?[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 08:13, 25 August 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :Sure. I'm actualy just editing DarkTicondrius's, making them a little more bearable for the time being, but it's just temporoary. Eventualy i'm going to go back through and get better quality pictures of everyone. Like this one [http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Medivhportrait.JPG]. And they will be seperate.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 08:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC) |
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− | Sweet... Well ultimate dream is if it would be possible for someone with the software to do it, to replace them entirely with animated gifs ;).[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 08:26, 25 August 2008 (UTC) |
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− | ::I can see the desire for higher quality (this is why we have an eyesore on Bolvar's page), but why do we need to split them? I think it's a good idea to have the portrait and the model in the same image (unless it's a genuine screenshot). --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 19:06, 25 August 2008 (UTC) |
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− | ::Better for gallery sections where alot of these screenshot stuff goes. Wide images sometimes wreck havoc. Also past images that I've requested from Warlock usually are for very nice closeup shots, so more details can be seen. He's going to get around to fixing those later. This usually means that the npc shot is a taller image, than the facial close up shots. This is only a stop gap until he updates the images with proper high resolution close ups.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 19:12, 25 August 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :::Gotcha. Oh, on a related note, keep an eye on the Sylvanas article. I don't ''think'' that people will get carried away over the new model, but I'd like to be prepared for the worst. --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 19:16, 25 August 2008 (UTC) |
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− | ::All I can say, its about time.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 19:17, 25 August 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :::I prefer the placeholder, though the new one is more consistent with other depictions. Apart from the hair, and where's the hood? --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 19:23, 25 August 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :::I don't like the hair either, and a hood would have looked better.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 19:30, 25 August 2008 (UTC) |
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− | In my opinion, DarkTicondrius showing that high elves and blood elves had their own vertion of every building in WCIII (when blood elves in WCIII were just red human buildings) was not needed. Not that he was a bad contributor.--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 19:51, 25 August 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :I disagree on your last point. But agree on everthing else.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 19:53, 25 August 2008 (UTC) |
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− | ==The Doomhammer== |
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− | [[Image:DoomhammerModel.jpg|thumb|right]]I saw the in-game picture of the [[Doomhammer]]. It's amazing!!! Where did you get it? I looked around but can't find it... --[[User:N'Nanz|N'Nanz]] ([[User talk:N'Nanz|talk]]) 16:29, 3 September 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :After opening model viewer, on the left side panel go to Items > objectcomponents > weapon > mace_1h_doomhammer.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 16:40, 3 September 2008 (UTC) |
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− | Thus it's not in-game? What does Thrall wield then? I noticed it's classified as 1 handed --[[User:N'Nanz|N'Nanz]] ([[User talk:N'Nanz|talk]]) 16:47, 3 September 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :Hmm, i'm not sure. I don't have a lot of Horde chars and thus i've probably only ever spent and hour or two in orgrimmar. I can't tell from this angel what he is holding.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 16:59, 3 September 2008 (UTC) |
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− | Found: [http://upload.wowhead.com/images/screenshots/37127.jpg] It's black all over the hammerhead. --[[User:N'Nanz|N'Nanz]] ([[User talk:N'Nanz|talk]]) 17:07, 3 September 2008 (UTC) |
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− | ==Brann Bronzebeard Avatar== |
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− | Sure if anything is going to be added to the page, it should be cited beforehand... or at least marked as "presumed". BTW, luckily I have access to the pdfs of the books (which are easy to search through). So far there is no reference to "avatar" in any connection to Brann. The word search allows me to find every example of Avatar used in the Brann books. Generally speaking when Brann speaks of avatars, he's speaking of the avatar of Sargeras or Hakkar's avatar, or the Avatar spell/ability (very different from the class). |
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− | After I searched every one of the Brann books there was no reference to him calling himself an Avatar or of him using the ability (its limited to priests, mages and mountain kings). On a related note generally there isn't any references to the "dwarven avatar" class in the World of Warcraft RPG, i.e. the second edition (most references to the class are limited to the Warcraft RPG, i.e. first edition). |
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− | Actually, Brann is pretty notorious for not mentioning his class. Dark Factions doesn't even mention his specific class in his character section (although he does call himself a dwarven prospector).[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 10:59, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :Search for skin or stone. Brann does indeed transform himself at least once when he comes under attack. I didn't at the time however realize dwarven avatar was a proper class as opposed to a informal nickname dwarves with the stoneskin ability are called.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 11:09, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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− | ::All dwarves (or at least most can) can go into "stoneform" (aka stoneflesh or stoneskin). Just going into stoneform doesn't mean you have the Dwarven Avatar class, nor does it mean you are a mountain king. The ability to turn to stone is a standard racial ability that dwarves have (just like in the MMO).[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 11:19, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :::Ah Stop editing already haha can't get a word in edgewise :) LOL. Yea i get that now Baggins.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 11:24, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :: I already took the citation thus I can't stop ;p From Dwarven avatar page: "...Most ''(dwarves)'' have discovered the ability to turn their [[stoneform|flesh to stone]] for limited periods, but a few have persisted to unlock further secrets ''(further secrets aka '''Avatar''')''.." --[[User:N'Nanz|N'Nanz]] ([[User talk:N'Nanz|talk]]) 11:26, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :I talked about the citation I already cut from [[Dwarven avatar]] and I can't paste before you posted here ;) --[[User:N'Nanz|N'Nanz]] ([[User talk:N'Nanz|talk]]) 11:33, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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− | :::Thats already been discussed to death. I meant baggins on this page. Kept getting conflicting edits message. AND it just happened again. LOL{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 11:34, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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− | ::Actually "further secrets" are secrets that dwarven avatars get in their upper levels, after receiving the stoneskin ability. Finaly leading up to the Iron Body ability.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 11:39, 15 September 2008 (UTC) |
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− | ==Comic appearances== |
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− | Please treat the comic like any other source, if someone appears in it from the game. Use a "background" section title, and describe what happens in the story, and use <nowiki><ref></nowiki>. Please avoid out of universe descriptions like "in the World of Warcraft:The Comic", intead reference the specific issue. If you are not the one making the "World of Warcraft: The Comic" sections, buI apologize in advance, but perhaps you can help clean them up and turn them into proper background sections. Also remember if someone dies in comic, to change the status to "dead" in the infobox. If they survive, and it shows a clear progression set after events in WoW, change it to "alive".[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 17:14, 16 October 2008 (UTC) |
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− | ==[[Meryl Felstorm]]== |
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− | You added to Meryl's article that [http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Meryl_Felstorm&diff=1750943&oldid=1749946 he was a member of the Council of Tirisfal]. Now, where did you get that information? I didn't find it in the comic.. if it is, could you tell me the exact page upon which this information is revealed? '''[[Image:IconSmall BloodElf Male.gif]][[User:Amberrock|<span style="color:#FFDF21;">''AMBER''</span>]][[User talk:Amberrock|<span style="color:#FDAE16;"><sup>(RΘCK)</sup></span>]]''' 15:14, 30 January 2009 (UTC) |
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− | :From the cast of charaters page at the back of the book.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 17:25, 30 January 2009 (UTC) |
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− | == Vogin, where's he at? == |
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− | Hey there. I just got an email saying you edited my page for my character Vogin, and now i can't find it anywhere? It's not where it was yesterday, and search results doesn't yield anything? |
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− | : Nevermind, found it =P. By the way, feel free to comment on my story [[User:Stuffe|Stuffe]] ([[User talk:Stuffe|talk]]) 16:18, 2 February 2009 (UTC) |
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− | If you would start using them, it would be great =). {{User:Coobra/Sig3}} 22:40, 16 February 2009 (UTC) |
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− | :Gotcha, will do. Sorry i know most of my edits lately have been getting sloppy.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 22:52, 16 February 2009 (UTC) |
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− | You seem like the kind of wikian who might enjoy this. I just added {{t|User title|title}} - check it out! {{=D}} -[[User:Howbizr|Howbizr]] ([[User talk:Howbizr|talk]]) 21:31, 21 February 2009 (UTC) |
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− | ::OOOH awesome. Thank you :) {{User:Warthok/Sig}} 21:46, 21 February 2009 (UTC) |
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− | Do you think you could make a couple of composite pictures like the ones you did for the dragonflight pages? We could use a composite picture for dwarfs page? As well as one for the earthen page (based on the three earthen model types)?[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 06:20, 6 March 2009 (UTC) |
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− | :Sure. What would we be talking here for dwarfs? Player (ironforge), wildhammer, dark, frost, and iron?{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 08:04, 6 March 2009 (UTC) |
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− | ::Ya, Bronzebeard/Ironforge, Wildhammer, Dark, Frost, and Iron sound good. Though it could probably also show the "earthen" as well.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 08:06, 6 March 2009 (UTC) |
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− | :::Heres a real rough mock-up i did (Just saw the earthen comment i'll add em in). Any feedback? background, negative space, density, etc...?{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 09:03, 6 March 2009 (UTC) |
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− | :Ya, I'm liking what I'm seeing. Might be a little too much space in the middle, but I'm sure you'll come up with something that works well, once you experiment around. I think I'll use what you have so far in the dwarf page.[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 09:10, 6 March 2009 (UTC) |
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− | ::Well, since you haven't gotten around to making the specific composite for the earthen page, perhaps for that page we could have a composite of the various colors of Earthen, showing off the different stone and earth colors for the various earthen types?[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 18:27, 6 March 2009 (UTC) |
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− | :::Yea was looking through the variations. Everythings a little hectic right now but i should have some time tonite.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 19:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC) |
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− | ::::Nvm, here it is.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 19:30, 6 March 2009 (UTC) |
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− | :Excellent. Hmm, the old-world earthen, is there more beard variety than that? Do they still have the short beard like many of the ones in the game used to have? ...or was the short beard replaced on of them in a later patch? If there is beard variety it might improve the composition to show some more beard designs. Also the earthen can wear clothes too? Maybe one or two based off of the elder spirits earthen added to the composite?[[User:Baggins|Baggins]] ([[User talk:Baggins|talk]]) 20:03, 6 March 2009 (UTC) |
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− | I strongly prefer the sentence where it was, after all the other data of the first paragraph. It kind of wraps up the rest of the information, and leaves the paragraph on a stronger note than talking about his voice actor. [[User:Tevri|Tevri]] ([[User talk:Tevri|talk]]) 08:29, 26 April 2009 (UTC) |
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− | :I agree but the introduction is supposed to be a very short summary of the character his/her role. Three paragraphs is far too much, two is already pushing it. The first one does a nice job of summing Varian up and ends with his role in the alliance. The second paragraph is a few interestig tidbits. Going from lore > trivia > lore is very unfocused looking. If it really bothers you what i would recommend taking the second paragraph and working the first sentance there into the first paragraph and the second sentance (Voice actor) into the trivia section. In fact i think i'll do that.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 09:43, 26 April 2009 (UTC) |
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− | :Everyone from the second war calls each other old friend. That isn't enough to call him a companion. I didn't know however about their friendsip in the new book (mine still hasn't arrived, damn collector's edition). What exactly does their friendship entail? Keep in mind Varian knows a lot of people and has a lot of mentor and father figures. A few conversations doesn't make a companion. They had to have formed a deep relationship if were going to list them in the infobox.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 20:31, 26 April 2009 (UTC) |
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− | :Just read it, don't see anything about Varian or Tirion sharing as much as a conversation. I'm sure they did meet at some point and probably think well of each other, but it wasn't in the book and isn't anywhere near enough to be called a companion. A companion is someone whose like a brother, top 2 or three good friends, tirion is probably somewhere in the 80s...90s.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 00:18, 4 May 2009 (UTC) |
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− | Up until this point, the extent of the friendship between Arthas and Varian was unknown. But chapter 25 and 26 of "Arthas" as well as much later confirm that they were "best friends" for a great many years (up until Arthas turned). In fact, even as a death knight Arthas twisted many of Varian's words in his mind. You know the scene in the "Arthas' Betrayal" cinimatic when he grabs King Terenas, he is thinking of something that Varian once told him (and later how Varian hates him now). Perhaps it dosn't belong in the infobox (though perhaps it does), but it definatly needs some more face-time in the main article rather than a brief mention that is currently there. Arthas is one of the few people who consoles him after the death of his father, in fact. He even played a part in Arthas' acention as a paladin. A few excerpts for your viewing pleasure, although it's just a small bit of the Arthas/Varian interaction: |
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− | "Arthas, I don't want to sound mean, but..." |
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− | "In Stormwind, we start training when we are very young. By the time I was your age, I had my own set of armor specifically designed for me." |
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− | [[User:Tevri|Tevri]] ([[User talk:Tevri|talk]]) 17:23, 2 June 2009 (UTC) |
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− | :I know, but the field is reserved for group members or lifelong companions. See what it says on the npc box templates talk page. Arthas was a close friend for a period of time, so he doesn't qualify. Writing all this out on my talk page is kinda pointless, i already know all this, and i didn't remove him from the article, just the infobox (and it definetly doesn't belong). If you think he deserves more facetime in the article...well what are you waiting for? Take what you wrote here, modify (wikify) it and find an appropriate spot for it. The Infobox is to be kept as lean and trim as possible, it is not a restatement of the entire article.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 18:50, 2 June 2009 (UTC) |
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− | I'm sorry if I had to discuss the changes done before making them. I just thought it was a good idea to put an art of the character's face in the infobox rather than a model, just like most of the articles are. [[User:Benitoperezgaldos|Benitoperezgaldos]] ([[User talk:Benitoperezgaldos|talk]]) 00:44, 17 July 2009 (UTC) |
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− | :Don't get me wrong i can see where your coming from, and i kinda agree. It's just that in the past with articles like Thrall and Grom there has been heated debate over the picture used. Often cinematics and cinematic renderings such as File:Thrall model.jpg has been used instead of art. Also i'm not sure about the priorities but i think a picture cropped from a comic page would be under a commisioned piece of art. I'd try and get ragestorms opinion on the matter as well as some others from regular lore editors such as ourselves, rolandius, anoob, sandwich etc...{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 02:51, 17 July 2009 (UTC) |
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− | :I started a discussion over at [[Forum:Infobox images]].{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 03:41, 17 July 2009 (UTC) |
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− | Thanks for cleaning up after him. --[[User:Eirik Ratcatcher|Eirik Ratcatcher]] ([[User talk:Eirik Ratcatcher|talk]]) 19:30, 24 July 2009 (UTC) |
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− | :No prob.{{User:Warthok/Sig}} 21:05, 24 July 2009 (UTC) |
Revision as of 23:34, 8 November 2010
- Book of the Well Sung Song
- Heroic
- Binds when picked up
- Unique
- Relic
- +143 Stamina
+95 Intellect - Prismatic Socket
- Requires Level 85
- Item Level 346
- Equip: Increases your critical strike rating by 63.
Equip: Increases your haste rating by 63. - Sell Price: 7 31 21
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