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Protect Civil Rights

Moved from Village pump

Greetings WoW-wiki.

Have been reading through your website and read various articles about Warcraft lore & In-game features, you know I really think you all at Wowwiki did a great job in putting all this information together like this. But I wanted to adress the issue of civil rights, for the simple fact that the right for equal treatment is protected by International law. So I would like to ask you MMORPG experts just how much you recognize these real-life laws in fictional video games, I know you didn't exactly create World of Warcraft but are atleast responsible for dedicating this website to the game. So this is about what noticed to me several times how some in-game features such as quests are very much pro-raiding guilds or very much pro-horde, which is of course totally in contrast with the right for equal treatment. So just because MMORPG is based on fictional inference doesn't necessarily mean you have to ignore real-life International law, and I now Blizzard is very proud they actually have a privacy policy.

To give a couple of harmless examples of in-game features of which to my knowledge might seem unfair towards game balance or the right for equal treatment. You know I might be somewhat not as well educated in WoW such as yourself but I find the horde quest spawns "Shy-Rotam" & "Sian-Rotam" to be typical examples of how Horde is sometimes overvalued by the developers, in contrast to that the Winterspring Trainers quest to my opinion has been thrown in by a couple of (angry) programmers who let the Alliance do all the hard labor and complete the same quest 840 times for an epic mount which once used to costs 900 gold. But than again this quest is easier to complete as a group, but if you are alone you don't stand much chance and it will be practically impossible to complete.

So this is really bothering me, that the game system in World of Warcraft lets people who work alone suffer while groups have absolutely nothing to worry about. I have seen so many fantastic quest rewards which were unfortunately Horde only or raiding only, hey people understand that this is unfair and something needs to change about this. In real life equal treatment is protected by International law, just because MMORPG is fictional doesn't mean you can ignore legal standards. In case you have absolutely no idea what I am talking about then you should know that level 60 guilds from my realm totally stole all my guild members away, leaving me totally deserted for trimesters which of course became an impossible task for me to play WoW. The agony I have experienced in AB & WSG because Alliance was outnumbered 3 to 10 in practically every match kind of spoiled all the fun for me and I play WoW since the first week it was released here in Europe, and even in crossrealm battlegrounds the teams were still uneven. So this system is unfair and doesn't always guarantee equal treatment for every customer, so I ask you at Wowwiki to read more about civil rights so that you at least learn some information useful both In and Out of game. Sorry but as a true republican it is my sworn duty to oppose aristocracy & corruption because it simply is no joke, aristocracy & corruption is one of the worse experiences for someone who has been victimized by these acts.

Civil rights are protected by International law because we live in a modern age where there is a concern for justice. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Whitewolf (talk · contr).

It is your civil right to not buy world of warcraft. That is where the legal system stops having any bearing whatsoever on what you can or cannot do or get in-game. Your argument would make more sense if you left legal systems out of it entirely.   --Mikk (T) 06:28, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

Quote: "That is where the legal system stops" "if you left legal systems out of it entirely" are you stating World of Warcraft is illegal ?

I figured I would get a responce somewhat simular to what is posted above me, do you really care about equality or is it just about delivering contradiction for self satisfaction and a feeling of supremacy ? You know I find it hard when people don't want to cooperate when refering to a moral issue such as this, I suggest you come to terms with yourself and compromise with what I just posted above. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Whitewolf (talk · contr).

Whitewolf this is a simple warning. Do NOT try and start a flame war here because I will ban you. User:Kirkburn/Sig2 07:17, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

No, what he's saying is that the legal system has no bearing on what happens in World of Warcraft. Never once did he say that he's not cooperating with you, nor did he argue against it being unfair, but what he did say was that the legal system doesn't have any control over what happens in the game. You make a decision when you buy the game, namely, that Blizzard has control over what goes on inside it. Everyone has the equal right not to buy the game -- Blizzard is not forcing it down your throat. Therefore, everyone is equal to that point and only to that point. Yes, I do feel that there are many, many people treated as unequals in the game. And yes, I do feel it's unfair at times. Does that mean the law can do something about it? Most certainly not. It sucks, but such is life. Shirik 08:33, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

You have the right to a fair investigation and fair trial when suspected of a crime, anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of law. I will now contact a legal office and explain what sort of low moral Wowwiki admins have towards civil rights and the people who talk about them, I suggest you take my post infront your adminstrator panel and discuss the issues mentioned in this page. Please stop approaching me with your popular prejudices, I find the presure you put upon me very inconvenient I hope you have comprehension for my situation. This is just a quick reminder that both forensic evidense & privacy are protected by International law, I advice you to take this very serious. Try to understand I did invest €250 in WoW prepay cards, I will now withdraw from this conversation and let normal procedures take it's place. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Whitewolf (talk · contr).

"I hereby acknowledge that I have read and understand the foregoing License Agreement and agree that by clicking "Accept" or installing the Game Client I am acknowledging my agreement to be bound by the terms and conditions of this License Agreement." [1]

The admins have seen your argument, deliberated at length, and are formally asking you to move along quietly so that we do not have to take action. User:Tekkub/Sig 08:45, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

Hi, welcome to the wiki, here on the wiki we are Sweden... we're neutral. I'm sorry you feel in someway discriminated against, but this is not the place for such conversations. The pump is for matters regarding the wiki directly, like the formatting and contents of pages. Please take this to the appropriate forums. User:Tekkub/Sig 06:33, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

What kind of glue are you sniffing? I think you should either try lots more, or just lay off the stuff. Normal 08:50, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

I've been meaning to get myself one of these... User:Tekkub/Sig 08:54, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

One? You need at least four. One for the front, one for the back. And a night-time set. Normal 08:56, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

Front and back? I'd need some sort of adhesive for that... where would I find that? User:Tekkub/Sig 08:58, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

Stop gargling the gluey stuff and spit, fer goodness sake! Normal 08:59, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

User:Kirkburn/O.O User:Kirkburn/Sig2 09:02, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

Kirky wants some too? User:Tekkub/Sig 09:04, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

/me looks into Kirky's eyes.. it'd seem he already got some. Normal 09:28, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

I totally agree with this guy! I'm actually suing the government because the state lottery isn't fair either! I bought two tickets and didn't win anything, and this other guy just bought one ticket and won $500! That's not fair! Also, God didn't make me as smart as my sister, so I'm suing God! Wah wah! LOL --Mlucero 10:09, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

Blizzard is an American business- the U.S. is currently run in a very conservative-capitalist way in regards to the economy, that means very little governmental intervention, plus the Civil Rights Act says nothing about video games or fictional factiions

if u want it too then go run for Congress

Dunnsworth 02:39, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

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Hrm... we should add a big "Lern2" link in {{Unsigned}} shouldn't we? User:Tekkub/Sig 21:38, 16 March 2007 (EDT)