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Shout-out to the maintainers of WoW Wiki
For those of you who don't know me, I was one of the first Admins of WoW Wiki back when Rustak started this crazy project.
I've been lurking in the shadows for several years. I want to thank everyone who has contributed to making WoW Wiki the amazing site it has become. The pages are well formatted, the WoW UI API is beyond compare, the content is improved on a regular basis and you're all doing an amazing job. I'm proud to come back and see this website in fantastic shape.
Great job, guys.
-- AlexanderYoshi 09:55, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
- Hahah, this is the kind of thing that should be quickly seen, with a short life. --AlexanderYoshi 20:22, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Server pages
Having looked around at a lot of the server pages on WoWWiki, i've noticed that almost every server has a different kind of layout on their page. Some follow a special layout (Server:Garithos US as an example), some are just stubs (Server:Die ewige Wacht Europe), some have lots of info (Server:Moonglade Europe), some barely have any info, just links (Server:Agamaggan US). What I propose is trying to create a standard layout for these pages, with an easy way to add information, like realm history, naming background, major server events and an easy way for not very wiki-experienced user to add guilds to a detailed list (for example something looking like the guild list on Server:Moonglade Europe). Any ideas/comments? -- Ose (c / t) 14:54, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- Don't get complicated. The people who edit the servers don't need a lot of code sticking up and at them in the face. I made Server:Shadowmoon US relatively simplistic. --Sky (t | c | w) 19:10, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- It'd be nice to have a link to the page about the server's namesake at the top of each page. -Cowlinator 20:52, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
- Personally, I am very fond of the layouts of Grim Batol, Skullcrusher, and Warsong. They provide a very informative and pleasant experience for viewers, and can be made user-friendly for new editors through included explanations (comments) in the code, as well as additional help pages which further elaborate. Seriously, take a look at the code on those three pages. They're very well made. But in order to mainstream a design such as this across WoWWiki, the templates would need to be slightly rewritten so that they could be controlled by one set of central templates. Perhaps a bit of tweaking to how they handle the Battlegroup template as well. --MaTrIx 04:02, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I started some work on User:Ose/Sandbox/Server WoWWiki:Server project. Everyone, feel free to discuss, change and give advice. --OseTalkz / Contribz 14:03, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
- Well, hey, Ose, that looks pretty darn spiffy. Really nice work on the progression chart, IMHO. I also like the idea of a bit of background on the server name, the "important" server info (ie: timezone, online date, realm type, battlegroup, etc). Looks good. Question: What do Location and Races mean with regards to the types of guilds? I mean, this may work well on a European realm, but on the US realms, we can have really diverse groups of people; in my guild alone, we represent five different timezones. :) Looks like a very complete, accessible, nice-looking layout, though, on the whole. Kurnmogh 19:40, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
- I think that there should be some basic setup for the info that should exist in the page of a server, making a basic template is nice, but restricting the server pages to a style narrows the feeling of differentiation between each of the community's that are the servers. :<KAIKU> Talk / Contrib 08:56, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Please contunue discussion at WoWWiki talk:Server_project#Discussion.
Datamining policy changes
Moved to WoWWiki talk:Policy/DNP#Change to the image DNP policy.
OpenWDB
Here is an early look to a long-discussed project, OpenWDB. For the TLDR guys, it's the standardization and expansion of WoWWiki's WoW database and the idealistic end to a lot of troubles. It's a draft, still, and if you want to know more about it, you'll have to ask me on IRC. This project itself is hard to maintain as a single person, and since I'm doing other work on the sides I don't always have time to edit the wiki itself. I understand there may be some unhappy people about this, but please understand that I really am doing my best to keep in touch on the wiki. Otherwise, your best shot is my User page. I will, however, update it with more infos as I think them through.
Also, be warned. A lot of people "just dont care" about this, but the modifications involved are absolutely huge. They'll be taken care of, but it means a lot for the wiki "database" pages themselves. Adys 23:23, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
- Not liking IRC = unhappy apparently. However, I'm not among the Too Long Didn't Read folks and I think it sounds like a fine idea for the future of WoWWiki (which seems to be unhappy, at the moment). --
Fandyllic (talk · contr) 9:28 PM PST 24 Mar 2008
BG and flight maps needed for Maps article
A lot of the maps in the Maps article were linked from Atlas, and a bunch of them are broken, specifically the ones for battlegrounds and flight paths. If someone could find or otherwise construct some maps to replace these, it'd be a great addition to the article.
// // Montag (talk · contr) 21:49, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
- On my site I have both the ingame map and a minimap export available. For example AV: Normal Map and Minimap Export. Just let me know if your interested and we can work it all out. I hang around on IRC. // User:WyriHaximus 15:2, 1 April 2008 (GMT+1)
Just noticed something funny about some "Starting a XX" pages
Browsing some random articles today, I came across the "Starting a Paladin" page. At the end of the page were two links, none of them I had heard before: http://www.bestlevelingguide.com/paladin_leveling_guide/ and http://www.almostgaming.com/wowguides/paladin-leveling-guide. Basically the first one links to a site that ask you to pay $35 for a mod that helps you to level up faster. The second links to a short so-call leveling guide, but gives you some other links that eventually leads you back to that page of the first links.
I then browsed other "Starting a XX" pages. All of them except druid's are infested by the above two links! Besides, hunter page has one more: http://www.thewowauthority.com/hunter-leveling-guide/, which gives you one page of hunter guide, then again ask you to pay for a full leveling guide. Reading back the history of paladin page, this link was there too, but only replaced by the first link recently.
This is ridiculous! I have never imagine paying real money to buy a mod for leveling or a leveling guide! They are basically using WoWWiki for free advertisement, probably for a long time already. I'm not sure if such act is against the policy of the site. At least, from the point of view of usefulness of those links, they should all be removed.
So, what do you think? -- WakemanCK 03:41, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- Sounds like something that needs to be killed, and if they do it again, banned... --Azaram 10:03, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- Delete the offending links. No links to leveling services and gold selling services SharlinTalk / Did 11:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- Ok, done! Though I'm wondering if there are other pages still have those kind of links. Are there any methods to check? WakemanCK 12:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- I did a bit of investigation, and found out that these links were added mainly by
- Have a look on their other contributions, and you will find many more pages on which they were "active" --Tharbur 16:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- I agree, sites that promote or link to gold selling services or power leveling services should be banned.
However, I did some research on unofficial World of Warcraft guides. Most of them see to be under the Killerguides (http://www.killerguides.com) network or the Spugnort (http://www.spugnort.com) network, these are pretty big MMORPG guide networks, and they seem legit enough. These guides don't seem to be violating any of Blizzard's Terms of Services or the EULA. To tell the truth, if a casual player with a full time job wants to spend some of his real life money buying these unofficial guides to help himself out, I see nothing wrong with that, its too bad they can only play an hour a day, they probably need all the help they can get anyway. The majority of WoWWiki users are probably casual players, and we all are already paying $15 a month for their WoW subscription. As for advertising, well 99% of fansites out there have advertising of some sort, even WoWWiki does the occasional google box thing and has advertising links now, webmasters need a way to support the upkeep of their site, hosting is expensive especially those with higher bandwidth usage.
Did some further research, there was actually a case way back in March 2006 where an author of one of these guides sued Blizzard for stopping him from selling his guide (http://www.news.com/2100-1043_3-6053716.html), the case was settled out of court, as the courts would have ruled against Blizzard. Maihime 12:42, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
MediaWiki 1.12 is live!
WoWWiki is now running on 1.12 :) There may be some teething problems, so please do report anything odd you come across. I currently know of a couple of issues:
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Monobook skin has a js problem that blanks the page once loaded. Appears to be related to pcj tooltips. I have little js experience and pcj is asleep, so any help is appreciated. -
Patrollers group may not have their permissions - this is being investigated. - Unrelated to 1.12, but some users may have lost the ability to log into their accounts yesterday - if you have been affected, please either drop by the IRC channel, or drop me a mail at
<myusername>@gmail.com(replace <myusername>). I'll see what I can do. - Special:Brokenredirects is showing old cached data, should be updated within two days.
So, what's new? Well, Special:Version should give a fairly good overview. Also, the new skins are available, though we do not have a Monaco WoWWiki theme yet.
Any feedback? Kirkburn talk contr 12:15, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- Patrollers - done. In most cases you'll need to relogin.
- There are quite a few extensions which are not listed on Special:Version page because they aren't enabled by default. Stuff like calendars, ogg player, SemanticMediaWiki etc. Look around Wikia for more inspiration. (-; -- Nef
(talk) 12:40, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- Rather than correcting the Patroller permissions error, i seem to have simply lost my status as patroller after a relog :/ --
- Rather than correcting the Patroller permissions error, i seem to have simply lost my status as patroller after a relog :/ --
If you want to see WoWWiki running on the new Monaco skin, see http://www.wowwiki.com/Main_Page?useskin=monaco&usetheme=slate ... no, the WoWWiki colour theme is not done yet. Kirkburn talk contr 14:02, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- I personally do not like the new default layout at all. Many people hate reading on white and I don't foresee all users of the Wiki to get an account just to pick a customized layout. Just a thought. User:Lorekin
- Sorry, I assumed the main page was at least a decent example of what is to come. I practically live on this site, I love it here so drastic changes really affect me. On that note, I can't get the search to work at all. No matter what I type in it thinks I'm looking for a "Special Page"... User:Lorekin
- The error is referring to Special:Search being missing, which is apparently the case (and thus makes non-Google searching impossible). Sure would be nice to have it back. :-) // DarkRyder /
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// 20:01, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- The error is referring to Special:Search being missing, which is apparently the case (and thus makes non-Google searching impossible). Sure would be nice to have it back. :-) // DarkRyder /
Couple of notices:
- We just took down Wikia. Ouch.
- WoWWiki:Server requests is updated for 1.12. Bug reports can go there - please be concise and use your judgement on the priority of the item. Emergency items, bring to IRC or post here.
- WoWWiki:MediaWiki 1.12 changes is a list of 1.12 changes. If you know of / find more please add them! Note that some of the new extensions are currently disabled for load testing purposes.
Kirkburn talk contr 19:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- Ignore problems with it loading the light (monobook) skin colour scheme for templates and other stuff for now, that'll be worked on. General skin issues should come to me. If they're WoWWiki specific, WoWWiki:Server requests. I wouldn't call the Gaming skin representative, fortunately. Kirkburn talk contr 19:53, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- I picked the Monaco gaming because it is a dark skin more similar to the old WoWWiki skin. Perhaps we should make some subpages under WoWWiki:Server requests for particular areas like skins and templates. Also, do widgets work? They were working in the beta awhile ago, but not now (for me at least). -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12:07 PM PST 26 Mar 2008
- I picked the Monaco gaming because it is a dark skin more similar to the old WoWWiki skin. Perhaps we should make some subpages under WoWWiki:Server requests for particular areas like skins and templates. Also, do widgets work? They were working in the beta awhile ago, but not now (for me at least). --
Cool, from Washington DC =). --Sky (t · c · w) 12:11, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Did the maximum page size change? The bottom of the BC Caster DPS cloth isn't being transcluded or expanded any more. Before the upgrade, I had to split the page into 3 pieces. I'm suprised it could get too large again, this quickly, if the maximum page size hasn't decreased. Also, previous to the upgrade, it actually told me what the maximum size was in the error message (2 mb). Tbannister 18:16, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
OpenWDB again
And I need some testers. I released there the first XML. If you don't know what OpenWDB is, please check this page. Adys 07:01, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Firefox search plugin
I just reinstalled my Firefox, and I tried to get the search engine installed automatically again in my Firefox search box, but only got errors when trying to do so. -- Cipri 15:24, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
- Odd timing! I just added this to the tech team's todo list :) Kirkburn talk contr 15:51, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
- Anything yet? It still won't work for me here, figured it should start working again after the upgrade... WoWWiki-Cipri 10:29, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Guild site issue
First time posting here, so if I screw up let me know. I tried to update a website link for a guild today and each time the page wouldn't save because of other guilds websites getting caught in the spam filter of the Wiki. I maintain the guild info here and on our Official WoW forums so I know the infomation is correct. This wasn't an issue last week. Is there a work around or are certain guild websites not postable anymore?--Seth 15:31, 27 March 2008 (UTC) Saltydog 17 (working on my sig shortly.)
- Okay, I ran into this spam filter thing editing Guild:Legion of Chaos (Shattered Halls US) (their guild URL was caught by spam filter). I will investigate. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12:26 PM PST 27 Mar 2008
- It looks like the MediaWiki 1.12 upgrade brought with it a spam filtering mechanism. The "black list" appears to live at w:Spam_Blacklist (Wikia Central). WoWWiki may have a local one, but it sounds like Kirburn or one of the Wikia folks could explain the mechanism in more detail. The Guild:Legion of Chaos (Shattered Halls US) URL is from the cjb.net domain which is on the black list. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12:34 PM PST 27 Mar 2008
- It looks like the MediaWiki 1.12 upgrade brought with it a spam filtering mechanism. The "black list" appears to live at w:Spam_Blacklist (Wikia Central). WoWWiki may have a local one, but it sounds like Kirburn or one of the Wikia folks could explain the mechanism in more detail. The Guild:Legion of Chaos (Shattered Halls US) URL is from the cjb.net domain which is on the black list. --
- I can, it was on our guild page that wowwiki was broke.
- See, many users won't and that is the point
- It is obviously more important to act like you know humor while completely missing the point, a real April Fool's prank would speculate about all sorts of WOTLK features as if they were real
- Please put a disclaimer link AT TOP SharlinTalk / Did 15:38, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Counter-vandalism IRC channel
WoWWiki has a counter-vandalism IRC channel! It picks up recent changes that may be vandalism and posts them on the channel.
Join the channel at chat.freenode.net, #cvn-wikia-wowwiki!
It is fairly low traffic. Which is a good sign. Kirkburn talk contr 22:12, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
- Slightly related to this, we have a strengthened spam blocker now - http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SpamBlacklist
- However, it /may/ block valid urls - if you see this occur, we can whitelist them via MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist.
- Tell an admin if you see it happen, and we'll come to the rescue :) Kirkburn talk contr 12:28, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
- Does the spam blocker use http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Spam_Blacklist to determine what to block? -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5:28 PM PST 29 Mar 2008
- Does the spam blocker use http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Spam_Blacklist to determine what to block? --
Firefox Problems? (Mac)
Just out of curiosity, is anyone else having problems with WoWWiki on Firefox on their Macs? My PC seems to be fine, and Safari on my Mac seems to access it fine. But Firefox keeps trying and trying and trying to load the page and never makes it. Blank page. =( Any ideas? --InnocentlySassy t | c 21:55, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
- I use Firefox on my MacBook Pro and am having no problems... What skin are you using? -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5:30 PM PST 29 Mar 2008
- No clue, I'll look at that when I'm back on the Mac. --InnocentlySassy t | c 03:21, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
- Well, apparently my Firefox got updated and is working fine. Not sure if that'll help, but for now I'll take it. =) --InnocentlySassy t | c 22:02, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
- On rare occasions I've seen corrupted files in the cache do this kind of thing. Emptying your browser cache, or sometimes just hitting the reload button while holding the shift key, can fix it. No idea if that was causing your issue, though. -W.woods 12:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
- Well, apparently my Firefox got updated and is working fine. Not sure if that'll help, but for now I'll take it. =) --InnocentlySassy t | c 22:02, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
- No clue, I'll look at that when I'm back on the Mac. --InnocentlySassy t | c 03:21, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
It's that time of year again....
Main Page ... we do love to mess with people's heads. Kirkburn talk contr 01:32, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
- Meowwiki was better ;) --
- I thought it was another vandalism again and was about to revert it, then realised that it was Kirkburn's work..... Ban Kirkburn!!! ;) WakemanCK 01:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Their pages URL has the words April Fools 2008 in it though so it won't fool them as well :p Leviathon 02:56, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
- It's not even the 1st here yet, you bums! I was so confused >_< --Jiyambi t || c 03:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
- Me too XD I saw a page full of red links, figured it was because they temporarily disabled those pages for GuildWiki. Then I saw that my own talk page is a blue link. I think to myself "Who said something in my talk page?" and it's still empty...that's when I realized the colors were switched. Very nice. :p --Lywellyn (talk / cont) 04:39, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
- I think by affecting the sidebar and functional tab links also, it spoils the prank too early )-: I mean, if a link to Special:Recentchanges on the sidebar is red, that's a big clue. (of course I'm just being picky d-: ) -Pan Sola 05:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
- I still misclick the links by accident, while I already know that it is just a fake. On the April Fool's subject... Shouldn't we add the bard and Molten Core jokes from the WoW webpage? (or maybe even the Tauren Marine from the Starcraft II webpage) --Kulsprutejojjo 11:26, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
- Follow up, it is very stupid. Put a link at the top that very obviously goes to the real main page otherwise just shut the site down. I don't mind April Fools jokes but only a fool thinks this one is funny, its annoying and will put people off because face it, a lot of people will be more annoyed than anything SharlinTalk / Did 12:37, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
- I've been going through a lot of websites, and it's disgusting to see all those people loathing April's fools' 24 hours jokes. If we lose millions of users today because of the main page being different, big deal, but heck, just skip it if you don't like it honestly. I personally preferred meowwiki aswell, just like I preferred the two-headed ogre april's fools to the tinfoil hat one. Do I pop and whine about it? No. Adys 13:21, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
- There may be an important difference: some jokes are non-disruptive (not affecting user experience with non-April 1st content; see all of Blizzard's April's Fools). Most of what's going on around here this year is, however, in-your-face annoying :( -- foxlit 16:58, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
- OK I GET IT - IT'S APRIL 1ST. Now PLEASE fix the damned site. I am an add-on developer and I am sick of not being able to tell which links are not complete and sick of being sent to that stupid home page when I click the WoWWiki home link. Please, don't disrupt the work of others with these stupid attempts at humor. If you want to prank your friends, fine but don't force this shit on everyone else.
Looks like some people need to take a chill pill, lighten up and walk away from the computer if they cannot take jokes and are so uptight that they cannot take a single ounce of humor. Leviathon 17:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
- Oh, I see. I don't get to use the computer today on my day off, because website owners feel that they have to force their annoyance on everyone else. Great. Why don't you tell me where you will be spending your day today, and I will come and disrupt you all day so that you can't accomplish anything that you wanted to accomplish today. How's that sound? Not fun? I see.
- First sign your posts with 4 tildes and second I am spending my day today looking at sites while between my classes then later on heading home and playing WoW once the servers are back up. Trust me you can't disrupt my day or life more than it already has been between work, class and other life problems. So what if you can't work on your little addon today its not the end of the world and maybe you try doing something else if you can't handle little harmless jokes. Leviathon 17:23, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
- >> So what if you can't work on your little addon today << Well thanks for your condescending tone and dismissiveness. Just what I expect from most people. Yarko 17:34, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
- Portal:World of Warcraft, and probably even better Portal:Interface customization. The red links switch won't go on for much longer. Kirkburn talk contr 17:25, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you, K. As someone mentioned above, there is funny, and there is disruptive. I don't find the solution of "take a chill pill and just go do something else with your time" at all satisfactory. Not knowing which links are busted is frustrating. Sorry, I forgot to sign. Yarko 17:34, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
- rofl, took me a while to get it that it was just switched colors. Actually it's brilliant - only now you notice how you adjust to one particular design :)
Armagon (
) 17:29, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
- rofl, took me a while to get it that it was just switched colors. Actually it's brilliant - only now you notice how you adjust to one particular design :)
- Some people do indeed need to take chill pills here. Sharlin, talking to you - but also stands to anyone in the same position. Yes, the red links are annoying, even I say that and I've been the one to put them up. Yes, the main page is ugly at the moment, yet I still supported the idea. Hey guys, look at WoWinsider, they haven't posted a single news item yet today and are getting cried and yelled at since hours. Look at YouTube, and all the whiners saying they are "losing so much revenue" because they are pissed that they've been rickrolled by the company. Look at all those websites, I can't even think of how many are getting spat on because they are pissing off their users.
- You people who can't take a joke correctly, who can't bear having one disrupted day in the year, should try preparing April 2009 right now, because it's going to be the same. Websites will be disrupted, and you'll probably whine the same way if you don't take action now.
- Getting a sense of humor is the first step into being less of a disruption to the others - the others will soon be less disruptive towards you. Adys 17:43, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
- =D Linked a page to someone earlier this morning and it didn't even occur to me that the colors were switched. I just thought, my god the Lockpicking page needs to be worked on some. ;) Cute! Wish I had been awake enough to appreciate it! --InnocentlySassy t | c 20:21, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
- Anyone who complains about the switch in link colours being in any way disruptive or having lost functionality of the site from needs to remove themselves from the gene pool. They're switched, not all changed to the same. It was amusing, and complete undisruptive to the site, and if you couldn't see that or have no tolerance for april fools, then that's you're own problem you'll just have to learn to deal with. --
- Seriously. A moment of confusion, a moment of thought, and all the 'disruption' goes away. Just for one day notice that good links are red and blank links are blue. Reminds me of when I worked for AOhelL and we'd have people call in screaming because they couldn't get to Ebay and were 'losing thousands of dollars'. --Azaram 14:53, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry Zeal, but this site represents itself of a place of information, not for some twits to get their jollies. I don't give a jack what other sites did. But if you do, then ask yourself - what did wikipedia do? It wasn't the links colors that were disruptive; though the choice to reverse them was ignorant too; it was the fact that visitors could not even get the real main page by clicking the navigation frame on the side.
- Next time ya'll want to be cute go make your own web site, if anything wiki's belong to no one and everyone so don't go messing with the functionality or usability. If it had been humorous I am and many others would have laughed, the whole event was disruptive SharlinTalk / Did 15:22, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Collapsed objects without autoloaded data?
If I had a page with an object that was initially collapsed (say, a hidden table), and which contained transcluded data, is there any way I could contrive it so that the transcluded data weren't downloaded until the containing object was un-collapsed?
The application I was thinking of was for pages that contain multiple large tables of data, such as a craft recipes page. Some users may not want to view all the tables, and so they'd pull an enormous amount of data for no reason. But other users may find it very useful to have all the tables on the one page, as they are currently, rather than chaotically split across a bunch of pages. Splitting the data into several hidden / collapsed tables that weren't downloaded until the user chooses to reveal them seems to me to be a solution. But then, I have no idea if this is possible.
Thanks :)
-- W.woods 12:34, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
- Not possible without use of JavaScript, which is unavailable to you on the wiki. --Pcj (T•C) 13:17, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks :) I'll just forget about it, then. I can definitely see places where it could help with reducing downloads and taxing the server, without having to split up pages. But it sounds like it can't happen any time soon. --W.woods 03:00, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
- Oh it could, you just need to find someone willing to write it and get support for admins to include it. PCJ could, but i'm going to assume he doesn't want to. Not that i'm trying to say in anyway he should have to either. I'd like to see it as a expansion of the existing hide/show script we have already, i'd imagine Sky might be interested in it too. I do question however it's usage with the (imo) uneccessary proliferation of the hide/show on tables (give support for divs while you're at it). --
- Delaying download of data would require splitting the data off into another page anyway, which is apparently not what you want. --Pcj (T•C) 21:14, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
- Actually, splitting the data into separate files would be fine. It was more the option of effectively transcluding the data into an aggregate page (like a recipes page) without burdening the size of the main page when it first loads. So you'd still set up separate pages for Journeyman, Artisan, Master etc. recipes, but transclude them into the main page in such a way that the tables remain collapsed and the data unloaded until the viewer decides they want to see them. But I'm not experienced enough to judge whether that would be worthwhile enough to be implemented on a site-wide scale. (Sorry to go off-topic, but another table-related script that occurred to me as useful when I was working on the LW recipes page was one that automatically zebra-striped tables if a "striped" or "zebra" class was set on the table. I've seen such scripts on the web. If you think that's a worthwhile topic to discuss, I'll start a new topic for it!) --W.woods 04:19, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
- Well, I'll think about it, then. --Pcj (T•C) 05:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
- Can you give an example of the type of table you're talking about? --Pcj (T•C) 05:39, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
- Tables such as those in Leatherworking patterns. Of course those ones are all written directly into that page at the moment, but they could easily be split into separate pages. The page could be reduced in size by simply making the tables collapsed, if it was possible to delay the loading of their data --W.woods 14:22, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
- OK, got a test case working; perform a cache refresh, then see User:Pcj/AJAX test, which includes User:Pcj/AJAX test include. I may yet create a template to help creation of such tables and maybe in the future support DIV and SPAN AJAX retrieval. But let me know what you think. --Pcj (T•C) 16:46, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
- Created {{ajax}} to aid in AJAX table generation. --Pcj (T•C) 16:54, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
- On the target page, be sure to wrap the table cells in
<table></table>or{| |}(with no parameters - do all your table formatting on the calling page)so that the wiki parser doesn't screw the code up majorly. --Pcj (T•C) 16:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC) - This is not working for IE atm, trying to debug it. --Pcj (T•C) 17:07, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
- Should now be working (hopefully) with IE. --Pcj (T•C) 18:51, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
- Added option for auto-load text and fixed various bugs. --Pcj (T•C) 19:20, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
- Correct me if i'm wrong, or if somethings screwing up just for me, but isn't the data link merely a link the data, no ajax loading in the current page going on? :S --
- Correct me if i'm wrong, or if somethings screwing up just for me, but isn't the data link merely a link the data, no ajax loading in the current page going on? :S --
- Tables such as those in Leatherworking patterns. Of course those ones are all written directly into that page at the moment, but they could easily be split into separate pages. The page could be reduced in size by simply making the tables collapsed, if it was possible to delay the loading of their data --W.woods 14:22, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
- Actually, splitting the data into separate files would be fine. It was more the option of effectively transcluding the data into an aggregate page (like a recipes page) without burdening the size of the main page when it first loads. So you'd still set up separate pages for Journeyman, Artisan, Master etc. recipes, but transclude them into the main page in such a way that the tables remain collapsed and the data unloaded until the viewer decides they want to see them. But I'm not experienced enough to judge whether that would be worthwhile enough to be implemented on a site-wide scale. (Sorry to go off-topic, but another table-related script that occurred to me as useful when I was working on the LW recipes page was one that automatically zebra-striped tables if a "striped" or "zebra" class was set on the table. I've seen such scripts on the web. If you think that's a worthwhile topic to discuss, I'll start a new topic for it!) --W.woods 04:19, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
- Oh it could, you just need to find someone willing to write it and get support for admins to include it. PCJ could, but i'm going to assume he doesn't want to. Not that i'm trying to say in anyway he should have to either. I'd like to see it as a expansion of the existing hide/show script we have already, i'd imagine Sky might be interested in it too. I do question however it's usage with the (imo) uneccessary proliferation of the hide/show on tables (give support for divs while you're at it). --