Talk:Tol'vir

Stone-like cat people

"stone-like cat people"... A link with the obsidian destructors of Ahn'Qiraj ? --Klakmuf1 21:45, 27 August 2009 (EDT)

Everything the Titans did when they began Azeroth was stone like. Think tigons but stone instead of flesh. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 19:49, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I've thought about this too, and i really hope it ends up true, as it will give some much need background for the Obsidian Destroyers. The fact they're Egyptian themed, feline based, and crafted from a mineral just fits so nicely, that if it doesn't end up the case it will leave both races feeling less of what they could be (No past grounding for Tol'vir, and a hole still left for Obsidian Destroyer, with enough similarities that it will seem like a saturated concept.)

For now it will have to remain speculation. Can't wait to find out. -- Zeal ^(T/C)  11:08, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Aqir architecture

I was just thinking. If the aqir took over the Tol'virs towns and architecture when they ventured north and south, then we have never seen the aqirs actuall citys and way of building. The Aqir battled the trolls so they must have had some sort of civilisation. After the sundering they adapted the Tol'virs style into their own or something on those lines. The point is that we havent yet seen the Aqirs citys and that might be a future thing for blizz to do. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MrSomeguy (talk · contr).

Macedonian flag?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_Republic_of_Macedonia <---- Is it me, or does it look kinda similar with the Ramkahen logo? Soundwave (talk) 15:29, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

You asked exactly the same thing on the Ramkahen talk page, and I responded. Please don't ask the same question on two different pages. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 19:04, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Icon and link for Race(s) category in infoboxes

Currently there appears to be no Tol'vir icon/link for the Race(s) category in infoboxes on dungeon articles, etc. Is there any intention to create one? Finnh (talk) 09:02, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

In time. I've been busy. Please see Wowpedia talk:List of creature icons for updates on this. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 16:49, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Race

Speaking to some of the Ramkahen during quests.. they call themselves tol'vir not Ramkahen, unless referring to their group. Question is, should the race as a whole be considered tol'vir, whether they are fleshy or stone. I bring this up because Category:Ramkahen is being used as the racial and faction category and the NPCs should probably be under Category:Tol'vir and Category:Ramkahen NPCs (if it applies to them). Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 06:43, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

That, and Blizzard has always referred to the race as tol'vir rather than Ramkahen. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 09:03, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Aye. Sssssssssssssssssssssssss For Pony! (^Sssss/_Slithered) 02:25, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah Ramkahen and Neferset are sub-factions of Tol'vir race:D Sry forgot about the sig :P Encaitar (talk) 21:51, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

See Talk:Ramkahen (faction)#Separate race? too... --Zeal (talk) 05:59, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Holy Light or sunwalkers?

Isn't it much more likely that the Tol'vir wield the power of the sun rather than the holy light, like the tauren (and possibly the blood elves) do? We see a lot of statues dedicated To Rajh and a lot of locations reference the sun (seal of the sun king, sunwatcher's Ridge. They even have sun priests.

To expand into fanon/speculation territory, its possible that each of the tribes follows a different titan from the halls of Origination. Neferset City has statues of Ammunae and its inhabitants use poisons and have lots of animals (so nature-based). Ramkahen has statues of Rahj and employs sun priests. Orsis has no statues, but its possible they are buried beneath the sand.

In any case, it is far more logical for the tol'vir to be sun worshippers than for them to follow a variation of the holy light. Considering tauren paladins, its not like there isn't a presedence for sun-worship and holy light worship sharing abilities. --Ijffdrie (talk) 01:08, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

One has to keep in mind that there is a very important distinction between the Light and the Holy Light. The Light is a form of magic. The Holy Light is a human religion centered around that form of magic. The tol'vir obviously don't worship the Holy Light because they're not humans. However, they ARE capable of wielding the Light: look at Temple Guardian Anhuur's dungeon journal entry.

As far as the rest... Eh, it's possible, but it's also entirely fanon and conjecture, since there's really no direct evidence that they worship the sun. So it's not really something that should go into the article. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 01:32, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I found a pair of Setesh statues flanking a gate in the Ruins of Ammon, but no Isiset. Besides that, there are two independent/separate Rajh statues north of Ramkahen, and a few instances of the four together. There may be something to that.--SWM2448 01:45, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Temple Guard Anhuur's description makes it seem that his powers are the exception, rather than the rule. After all, if the tol'vir were simply capable of using the light, he wouldn't need to be empowered. The reason I addressed the Holy Light in particular is that the current text uses the holy light in the sentence "as it appears that they in fact really do use Holy Light and Forgotten Shadow", when there is no evidence to support either. If a single example of something Uldum utilizing the power of the light is enough, I offer the counter-example of Nahom, a tol'vir temple which explicitly channels the power of the sun. Plus, there is still the fact that their priests are called sun priests, which does indicate at least a connection between the priesthood and the sun.--Ijffdrie (talk) 02:50, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I removed the references to the Holy Light and Forgotten Shadow, as they were being used improperly. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 03:03, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Browsing random TCG cards, I stumbled upon http://www.coolstuffinc.com/p/World+of+Warcraft/Okumet%2C+Herald+of+the+Light , supporting the idea of sun worship.--Ijffdrie (talk) 21:09, 25 March 2013 (UTC)