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[edit] Shout-out to the maintainers of WoW Wiki

For those of you who don't know me, I was one of the first Admins of WoW Wiki back when Rustak started this crazy project.

I've been lurking in the shadows for several years. I want to thank everyone who has contributed to making WoW Wiki the amazing site it has become. The pages are well formatted, the WoW UI API is beyond compare, the content is improved on a regular basis and you're all doing an amazing job. I'm proud to come back and see this website in fantastic shape.

Great job, guys.

-- AlexanderYoshi 09:55, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Cheers :D Adys 10:47, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Beatings should be handed out to admins who don't use the "+" to add comments. ;P --Sky (t · c · w) 20:07, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
He actually did, but for some reason put it at the top of the page afterwards. --gOurra[T҂C] 20:12, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Let us honor his return by not caring about the placement, but to him let it be known that this will be archived before its time.--SWM2448 00:06, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Hahah, this is the kind of thing that should be quickly seen, with a short life. --AlexanderYoshi 20:22, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Server pages

Having looked around at a lot of the server pages on WoWWiki, i've noticed that almost every server has a different kind of layout on their page. Some follow a special layout (Server:Garithos US as an example), some are just stubs (Server:Die ewige Wacht Europe), some have lots of info (Server:Moonglade Europe), some barely have any info, just links (Server:Agamaggan US). What I propose is trying to create a standard layout for these pages, with an easy way to add information, like realm history, naming background, major server events and an easy way for not very wiki-experienced user to add guilds to a detailed list (for example something looking like the guild list on Server:Moonglade Europe). Any ideas/comments? -- Ose (c / t) 14:54, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Don't get complicated. The people who edit the servers don't need a lot of code sticking up and at them in the face. I made Server:Shadowmoon US relatively simplistic. --Sky (t | c | w) 19:10, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
That's a part of my point. Some of these pages have some cool looking, but over-complicated designs. Others have simple designs, but get messy. I want (us) to create something which is user-friendly, but gives a good looking result. -- Ose (c / t) 21:57, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
You didn't state that explicitly, and so I was basically looking for what your stance was. --Sky (t | c | w) 00:22, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
It'd be nice to have a link to the page about the server's namesake at the top of each page. -Cowlinator 20:52, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
People, I want your thoughts! Being bold is one thing, but I don't want to go through with such a big revamp without your opinions and ideas. --OseTalkz / Contribz 18:58, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Personally, I am very fond of the layouts of Grim Batol, Skullcrusher, and Warsong. They provide a very informative and pleasant experience for viewers, and can be made user-friendly for new editors through included explanations (comments) in the code, as well as additional help pages which further elaborate. Seriously, take a look at the code on those three pages. They're very well made. But in order to mainstream a design such as this across WoWWiki, the templates would need to be slightly rewritten so that they could be controlled by one set of central templates. Perhaps a bit of tweaking to how they handle the Battlegroup template as well. --MaTrIx 04:02, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I started some work on User:Ose/Sandbox/Server WoWWiki:Server project. Everyone, feel free to discuss, change and give advice. --OseTalkz / Contribz 14:03, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, hey, Ose, that looks pretty darn spiffy. Really nice work on the progression chart, IMHO. I also like the idea of a bit of background on the server name, the "important" server info (ie: timezone, online date, realm type, battlegroup, etc). Looks good. Question: What do Location and Races mean with regards to the types of guilds? I mean, this may work well on a European realm, but on the US realms, we can have really diverse groups of people; in my guild alone, we represent five different timezones. :) Looks like a very complete, accessible, nice-looking layout, though, on the whole. Kurnmogh 19:40, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] World of Warcraft category proliferation re-think needed

Moved to WoWWiki talk:Policy/Category/Names.

[edit] Datamining policy changes

Moved to WoWWiki talk:Policy/DNP#Change to the image DNP policy.

[edit] Zone levels

We need to decide if we want the level shown in the zonebox for each zone to reflect the Blizzard recommended level for the zone, or to reflect the mobs in that zone. I just went through a week or so ago and changed them to the official Blizzard levels, but someone just came through today and changed them to "reflect the mob levels" in the zone. I personally think they should they should be the recommended levels, but regardless we need to make a decision so people don't keep changing it back and forth. --Jiyambi t || c 20:05, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps have both, the mob levels and recommended levels. That way no one can decide to change them on ya. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.•CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 22:39, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Meh, looks like the person has changed almost all the zones to mob level range. I don't have the energy to change them again or add another parameter, so unless someone else cares I'm just going to leave it be. --Jiyambi t || c 22:22, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Laurlybot (Recoded) Npc module

I am in the process of recoding the bot. User:Laurlybot/npc_bot before i start generating pages i thought it might be a good idea to address some of the issues people had with the old bot and get some kind of consensus on how the new one should work.

  1. Npc pages use the {{Zone Map}} to display where the npc is found in a zone. Note: For NPC's found in more then one zone only one map will be shown. More then likely the first.
  2. The bot is still unable to get race and gender for an npc. Human editors will still have to add that.
  3. I am not riping pictures so Humans will have to add them.
    1. I'm going to try and code the bot to check the page if there is a picture there it will use it rather then just clobbering the page.
    2. Humans will have to check that this image is right. (I will probably tag pages like this for bot help)

The dreaded transcluded pages.

  • The old bot had separate pages for drops/teaches/skins/mines .... yes lots of them.
    • The comment i got was: Get rid of the subpages, as it bloats the article count of the wiki.
  • Using templates in these pages. A lot of people didnt like the templates the old bot used due to the fact that
    • A comment i got was:Use wiki-table markup, as opposed to templates. Templates are just adding a (possibly) confusing step

What i would like to do is the following.

  • Only have one subpage. npcname/data This page would contain.
  1. Info on drops, teaches, skins, mines, herbs, pickpocketing...... <and anything else i might be forgetting>
  • There are several reasons for this.
  1. There will be a lot of data there. this could confuse anyone trying to edit the page as to what it was.
  2. I always intended that the bot be run regularly to update the information on this page. If we have it in the main page even if i code a very careful check to only replace the table data there is still a chance that something could go wrong and the main page data would be over writen.
  • Templates would be easer to change on a wide scale. If we leave them on a second page then there really isnt anything confusing as the bot is the only one reading it. But if we don't use templates it shouldn't matter if we need to change the format then i can just rerun the bot and all the pages will be updated.

The parser is mostly written so i have all the data. The only thing i need to know is how we want the pages to look and how we want them to work. So i'm going on vacation for a few days. So i figured i would post this here give you guys time to chat about it and check with you when i get back.  :) Laurly 08:50, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

I wonder if there's anything we can do to keep the subpages out of the article count. Put them in another namespace perhaps? --PcjCreator of WoWWiki's hover tooltips (T3 latest discussions:
 • speedydelete Reign of the Horde guild stub
 • Ajax RC bug
 • Sorry•C32310 contributions and counting) 12:46, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I did some checking, and yes, if the data is outside the main namespace it won't add to article count [1]. Therefore, I propose a new namespace be created, possibly called "Data". This would also provide a namespace for Adys's OpenWDB project. --PcjCreator of WoWWiki's hover tooltips (T3 latest discussions:
 • speedydelete Reign of the Horde guild stub
 • Ajax RC bug
 • Sorry•C32310 contributions and counting) 14:14, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
We honestly don't need transcluded pages. Nor do we need templates. To respond to the points:
  1. Yes, there will be a lot of data. However, keeping it all in one place is both easier to edit while simultaneously inviting users to edit it themselves. Requiring them to go the extra step invariably produces bias toward the effect that people aren't going to edit them. And being one of those users which has been not-so-systematically removing the current subpages, I have to say they are quite simply a !@#$% to edit. Consolidation of information in this matter is not a bad thing.
  2. Yes, there is that chance. But that's double standard: people have previously used the bot to overwrite decent-looking pages; while that won't be so easy now with some of the plans you have for the bot, it is still possible. Invariably, the bot will produce errors (unless you release the code to open-source, which, even then...). As to catching them, leave that to the wiki-goers. :) If you catch flak for killed-pages, then send em our way. Even with the occasional error, the net positive to editing the main pages will be higher than any risk of error.
  3. The latter is exactly the point. Who needs templates when you have a bot that can do it? :)
As for Adys's proposal, let's cross that bridge when we come to it. He's had more than a few suggestions, and I'm positive he's wrangling with head-Wikia over it. --Sky (t · c · w) 21:33, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
It really doesn't matter to me how we do it. TBH its a little easer for me to put it all in one page. As for the templates the bot has a template it uses so that matters even less. Make up a template that we can all agree on and the bot can use it. I just want to have some kinda agreement on how we do this this time rather then getting issues with it after the bot processes 1500 NPC's. This is an example of one the bot ran Amani_Crocolisk Laurly talk|contr|bot 21:43, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] OpenWDB

Here is an early look to a long-discussed project, OpenWDB. For the TLDR guys, it's the standardization and expansion of WoWWiki's WoW database and the idealistic end to a lot of troubles. It's a draft, still, and if you want to know more about it, you'll have to ask me on IRC. This project itself is hard to maintain as a single person, and since I'm doing other work on the sides I don't always have time to edit the wiki itself. I understand there may be some unhappy people about this, but please understand that I really am doing my best to keep in touch on the wiki. Otherwise, your best shot is my User page. I will, however, update it with more infos as I think them through.

Also, be warned. A lot of people "just dont care" about this, but the modifications involved are absolutely huge. They'll be taken care of, but it means a lot for the wiki "database" pages themselves. Adys 23:23, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Not liking IRC = unhappy apparently. However, I'm not among the Too Long Didn't Read folks and I think it sounds like a fine idea for the future of WoWWiki (which seems to be unhappy, at the moment). --Image:gengar orange 22x22.png Fandyllic (talk · contr) 9:28 PM PST 24 Mar 2008

[edit] Possible violation in Blizzard Downloader article...

Please see Talk:Blizzard_Downloader. --Image:gengar orange 22x22.png Fandyllic (talk · contr) 1:20 PM PST 25 Mar 2008

Kirkburn made the argument that even though some of the stuff on this page mines data, it probably wouldn't be harmful to Blizzard. I cleared the {{violation}} tag, but feel free to comment on Talk:Blizzard_Downloader. --Image:gengar orange 22x22.png Fandyllic (talk · contr) 1:47 PM PST 25 Mar 2008

[edit] BG and flight maps needed for Maps article

A lot of the maps in the Maps article were linked from Atlas, and a bunch of them are broken, specifically the ones for battlegrounds and flight paths. If someone could find or otherwise construct some maps to replace these, it'd be a great addition to the article.

// // Montag (talk · contr) 21:49, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

On my site I have both the ingame map and a minimap export available. For example AV: Normal Map and Minimap Export. Just let me know if your interested and we can work it all out. I hang around on IRC. // User:WyriHaximus 15:2, 1 April 2008 (GMT+1)

[edit] Just noticed something funny about some "Starting a XX" pages

Browsing some random articles today, I came across the "Starting a Paladin" page. At the end of the page were two links, none of them I had heard before: http://www.bestlevelingguide.com/paladin_leveling_guide/ and http://www.almostgaming.com/wowguides/paladin-leveling-guide. Basically the first one links to a site that ask you to pay $35 for a mod that helps you to level up faster. The second links to a short so-call leveling guide, but gives you some other links that eventually leads you back to that page of the first links.

I then browsed other "Starting a XX" pages. All of them except druid's are infested by the above two links! Besides, hunter page has one more: http://www.thewowauthority.com/hunter-leveling-guide/, which gives you one page of hunter guide, then again ask you to pay for a full leveling guide. Reading back the history of paladin page, this link was there too, but only replaced by the first link recently.

This is ridiculous! I have never imagine paying real money to buy a mod for leveling or a leveling guide! They are basically using WoWWiki for free advertisement, probably for a long time already. I'm not sure if such act is against the policy of the site. At least, from the point of view of usefulness of those links, they should all be removed.

So, what do you think? -- WakemanCK 03:41, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like something that needs to be killed, and if they do it again, banned... --Azaram 10:03, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


Delete the offending links. No links to leveling services and gold selling services SharlinTalk / Did 11:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Ok, done! Though I'm wondering if there are other pages still have those kind of links. Are there any methods to check? WakemanCK 12:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I did a bit of investigation, and found out that these links were added mainly by
Have a look on their other contributions, and you will find many more pages on which they were "active" --Tharbur 16:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree, sites that promote or link to gold selling services or power leveling services should be banned.

However, I did some research on unofficial World of Warcraft guides. Most of them see to be under the Killerguides (http://www.killerguides.com) network or the Spugnort (http://www.spugnort.com) network, these are pretty big MMORPG guide networks, and they seem legit enough. These guides don't seem to be violating any of Blizzard's Terms of Services or the EULA. To tell the truth, if a casual player with a full time job wants to spend some of his real life money buying these unofficial guides to help himself out, I see nothing wrong with that, its too bad they can only play an hour a day, they probably need all the help they can get anyway. The majority of WoWWiki users are probably casual players, and we all are already paying $15 a month for their WoW subscription. As for advertising, well 99% of fansites out there have advertising of some sort, even WoWWiki does the occasional google box thing and has advertising links now, webmasters need a way to support the upkeep of their site, hosting is expensive especially those with higher bandwidth usage.

Did some further research, there was actually a case way back in March 2006 where an author of one of these guides sued Blizzard for stopping him from selling his guide (http://www.news.com/2100-1043_3-6053716.html), the case was settled out of court, as the courts would have ruled against Blizzard. Maihime 12:42, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] MediaWiki 1.12 is live!

WoWWiki is now running on 1.12 :) There may be some teething problems, so please do report anything odd you come across. I currently know of a couple of issues:

  • Monobook skin has a js problem that blanks the page once loaded. Appears to be related to pcj tooltips. I have little js experience and pcj is asleep, so any help is appreciated.
  • Patrollers group may not have their permissions - this is being investigated.
  • Unrelated to 1.12, but some users may have lost the ability to log into their accounts yesterday - if you have been affected, please either drop by the IRC channel, or drop me a mail at <myusername>@gmail.com (replace <myusername>). I'll see what I can do.
  • Special:Brokenredirects is showing old cached data, should be updated within two days.

So, what's new? Well, Special:Version should give a fairly good overview. Also, the new skins are available, though we do not have a Monaco WoWWiki theme yet.

Any feedback? Kirkburn  talk  contr 12:15, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Patrollers - done. In most cases you'll need to relogin.
There are quite a few extensions which are not listed on Special:Version page because they aren't enabled by default. Stuff like calendars, ogg player, SemanticMediaWiki etc. Look around Wikia for more inspiration. (-; -- Nef @Wikia (talk) 12:40, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Rather than correcting the Patroller permissions error, i seem to have simply lost my status as patroller after a relog :/ -- 
  • User:Zeal
  • User talk:Zeal
  • Special:Contributions/Zeal
  • User:Zeal
  12:58, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Should be fixed now. Kirkburn  talk  contr 14:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

If you want to see WoWWiki running on the new Monaco skin, see http://www.wowwiki.com/Main_Page?useskin=monaco&usetheme=slate ... no, the WoWWiki colour theme is not done yet. Kirkburn  talk  contr 14:02, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Oooh. That looks nice. < こちら  talkcontrib   16:58, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I personally do not like the new default layout at all. Many people hate reading on white and I don't foresee all users of the Wiki to get an account just to pick a customized layout. Just a thought. User:Lorekin
And I just said that the WoWWiki colour theme is not ready yet. Kirkburn  talk  contr 19:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I assumed the main page was at least a decent example of what is to come. I practically live on this site, I love it here so drastic changes really affect me. On that note, I can't get the search to work at all. No matter what I type in it thinks I'm looking for a "Special Page"... User:Lorekin
Well, the design and layout are what is to come, but the colour scheme will be similar to the current default :) Thanks for the search bug report! Kirkburn  talk  contr 19:45, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
The error is referring to Special:Search being missing, which is apparently the case (and thus makes non-Google searching impossible). Sure would be nice to have it back.  :-) // DarkRyder / Talk / Contrib // 20:01, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Correct. It should be back later. Kirkburn  talk  contr 20:04, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Couple of notices:

  • We just took down Wikia. Ouch.
  • WoWWiki:Server requests is updated for 1.12. Bug reports can go there - please be concise and use your judgement on the priority of the item. Emergency items, bring to IRC or post here.
  • WoWWiki:MediaWiki 1.12 changes is a list of 1.12 changes. If you know of / find more please add them! Note that some of the new extensions are currently disabled for load testing purposes.

Kirkburn  talk  contr 19:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Where do we put problems with skins? I'm gonna try to live with the Monaco - Gaming skin for awhile just to see how it works, but I want to know where i can complain... Image:winky.gif --Image:gengar orange 22x22.png Fandyllic (talk · contr) 11:48 AM PST 26 Mar 2008
Ignore problems with it loading the light (monobook) skin colour scheme for templates and other stuff for now, that'll be worked on. General skin issues should come to me. If they're WoWWiki specific, WoWWiki:Server requests. I wouldn't call the Gaming skin representative, fortunately. Kirkburn  talk  contr 19:53, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I personally am browsing the site with Monaco slate, and enjoying it :) Kirkburn  talk  contr 20:04, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
I picked the Monaco gaming because it is a dark skin more similar to the old WoWWiki skin. Perhaps we should make some subpages under WoWWiki:Server requests for particular areas like skins and templates. Also, do widgets work? They were working in the beta awhile ago, but not now (for me at least). --Image:gengar orange 22x22.png Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12:07 PM PST 26 Mar 2008
Widgets should indeed be working - they're fine for me atm. Anything specific? I don't really want to put too much stuff on WW:SR as the techs need a clear list of what they need to deal with. Skins and template issues aren't their domain. Kirkburn  talk  contr 20:12, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Widgets are working for me now. I upgraded to FireFox 2.0.0.13, but I don't know why that would make a difference. --Image:gengar orange 22x22.png Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12:41 PM PST 26 Mar 2008
AJAX was turned off for a short while, likely caused. Kirkburn  talk  contr 22:52, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Cool, from Washington DC =). --Sky (t · c · w) 12:11, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Did the maximum page size change? The bottom of the BC Caster DPS cloth isn't being transcluded or expanded any more. Before the upgrade, I had to split the page into 3 pieces. I'm suprised it could get too large again, this quickly, if the maximum page size hasn't decreased. Also, previous to the upgrade, it actually told me what the maximum size was in the error message (2 mb). Tbannister 18:16, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Coming Soon" and "Future Zones" on 2.4 Patch Content

I hope I'm using the village pump correctly...I just wanted to ask someone to review what I had done, considering it's probably the most I've done so far, and I wanted to make sure what I did was right. In a few pages related to the 2.4 patch content (Isle of Quel'Danas, Magister's Terrace, Sunwell Plateau, etc), the categories "Future Zones" and "Coming Soon" were still present. I removed them. Was this done correctly? Thanks! --Lywellyn 22:16, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Yup, you did the right thing. --Image:gengar orange 22x22.png Fandyllic (talk · contr) 2:20 PM PST 26 Mar 2008
I'd say so long as the article is converted from future tense to present tense (if it was created in future tense), then its safe to remove the upcoming Categories and stubs. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.•CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 04:28, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Where do we report skin problems and who fixes skins?

According to an earlier comment, skin problems shouldn't be put under WoWWiki:Server requests. So, where do they go? If we report skin problems, who fixes them? --Image:gengar orange 22x22.png Fandyllic (talk · contr) 2:34 PM PST 26 Mar 2008

To me. I am the skin contact. :) I collate and pass them on to the designer guy. Kirkburn  talk  contr 22:41, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Learning some more

Two questions: One, is there a way to view all subpages of a user page (say, my own)? And secondly, is there a reason this page is marked 'stub/mob'? Thanks again! :) --Lywellyn (talk / cont) 02:38, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Special:Prefixindex, type in your username in the box, choose "User" from the dropdown. So, for you: [2]. This page is marked {{Stub/Mob}} as an example... Take a look at the text near the message box at #Stubs and reasons. --k_d3 02:43, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Oh wow, I searched everywhere and couldn't find that. Thanks! --Lywellyn (talk / cont) 03:46, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image locator sadness

Special:Imagelist no longer has a search bar to find images, which I loved. Made finding images very easy for possible needs. Is it possible to put one up there again? Or is there a different way to find images? User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.•CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 05:32, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Trying my hand at being helpful. Special:Search has a checkbox for images, maybe that's how you can search for images now? Hope that's helpful... --Lywellyn (talk / cont) 05:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
It's not as good as the image search bar that was on the page. Try searching "elf" under that, with only image checkmarked, you get no results, where as the old way you'd get a few pages of results. User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.•CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 06:25, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Item floats incorrect

I'm having trouble with the item tooltips floating on the wrong side of the page, as you can see here. It can be corrected by adding a |disambigpage={{SUBST:PAGENAME}}, but since I've seen it affects pages with a ' symbol it should be a general Wiki problem. Compare this and this.--gOurra[T҂C] 06:46, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Looking at the code on those two pages, the Fury page had one bit of code that the Field Marshal's Plate Helm did not. When added, as you can now see, it fixed it. The code? Simply |float=right. :) --Lywellyn (talk / cont) 07:00, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
*sigh* No that's not the problem - the thing is that items with a ' in it floats incorrectly (at least for me). It's not only that one item that is wrong, take for example Scout's Tabard and Sergeant's Heavy Cloak, compared to Medallion of the Horde. Using a |float=right doesn't fix the problem, see here.--gOurra[T҂C] 15:04, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
This may be a new bug introduced by the MediaWiki 1.12 upgrade. I did a search for "Scout's" and all the item tooltips have this float problem. It could be a bug in the {{tooltip}}, though. Looking at the tooltip float code, maybe the way {{FULLPAGENAME}} works changed. Usign disambigpage= with a &#39; instead of an ' seems to work as a workaround. --Image:gengar orange 22x22.png Fandyllic (talk · contr) 9:53 AM PST 27 Mar 2008
I found an easier workaround is to just use &#39; instead of an ' in the actual item name=. --Image:gengar orange 22x22.png Fandyllic (talk · contr) 9:54 AM PST 27 Mar 2008
I added this problem to WoWWiki:Server requests. Maybe we can get a bot to implement the simplest workaround until it gets fixed. --Image:gengar orange 22x22.png Fandyllic (talk · contr) 10:06 AM PST 27 Mar 2008
Thank you Fandyllic.--gOurra[T҂C] 20:17, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] OpenWDB again

And I need some testers. I released there the first XML. If you don't know what OpenWDB is, please check this page. Adys 07:01, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Uber n00b Question

How do i make the funky Signiture things? like everyone else -- KingStoph 11:24, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

See WW:SIG :) Kirkburn  talk  contr 13:55, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Firefox search plugin

I just reinstalled my Firefox, and I tried to get the search engine installed automatically again in my Firefox search box, but only got errors when trying to do so. -- Cipri 15:24, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Odd timing! I just added this to the tech team's todo list :) Kirkburn  talk  contr 15:51, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Anything yet? It still won't work for me here, figured it should start working again after the upgrade... WoWWiki-Cipri 10:29, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Guild site issue

First time posting here, so if I screw up let me know. I tried to update a website link for a guild today and each time the page wouldn't save because of other guilds websites getting caught in the spam filter of the Wiki. I maintain the guild info here and on our Official WoW forums so I know the infomation is correct. This wasn't an issue last week. Is there a work around or are certain guild websites not postable anymore?--Seth 15:31, 27 March 2008 (UTC) Saltydog 17 (working on my sig shortly.)

Okay, I ran into this spam filter thing editing Guild:Legion of Chaos (Shattered Halls US) (their guild URL was caught by spam filter). I will investigate. --Image:gengar orange 22x22.png Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12:26 PM PST 27 Mar 2008
It looks like the MediaWiki 1.12 upgrade brought with it a spam filtering mechanism. The "black list" appears to live at w:Spam_Blacklist (Wikia Central). WoWWiki may have a local one, but it sounds like Kirburn or one of the Wikia folks could explain the mechanism in more detail. The Guild:Legion of Chaos (Shattered Halls US) URL is from the cjb.net domain which is on the black list. --Image:gengar orange 22x22.png Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12:34 PM PST 27 Mar 2008
I can, it was on our guild page that wowwiki was broke.
See, many users won't and that is the point
It is obviously more important to act like you know humor while completely missing the point, a real April Fool's prank would speculate about all sorts of WOTLK features as if they were real
Please put a disclaimer link AT TOP SharlinTalk / Did 15:38, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Sharlin, please take your rants elsewhere, especially if they aren't conducive to the discussion. Spam filter problems noted. cjb.net should now be unblocked. Kirkburn  talk  contr 17:26, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps we should unblock cjb.net based sites on a case-by-case basis (like legionofchaos.cjb.net for the above guild)? It was blocked for a reason. --Image:gengar orange 22x22.png Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4:48 PM PST 18 Apr 2008

[edit] Counter-vandalism IRC channel

WoWWiki has a counter-vandalism IRC channel! It picks up recent changes that may be vandalism and posts them on the channel.

Join the channel at chat.freenode.net, #cvn-wikia-wowwiki!

It is fairly low traffic. Which is a good sign. Kirkburn  talk  contr 22:12, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Slightly related to this, we have a strengthened spam blocker now - http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SpamBlacklist
However, it /may/ block valid urls - if you see this occur, we can whitelist them via MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist.
Tell an admin if you see it happen, and we'll come to the rescue :) Kirkburn  talk  contr 12:28, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Does the spam blocker use http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Spam_Blacklist to determine what to block? --Image:gengar orange 22x22.png Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5:28 PM PST 29 Mar 2008
Tbh, I'm not sure, but I will try to find out. Kirkburn  talk  contr 02:29, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Firefox Problems? (Mac)

Just out of curiosity, is anyone else having problems with WoWWiki on Firefox on their Macs? My PC seems to be fine, and Safari on my Mac seems to access it fine. But Firefox keeps trying and trying and trying to load the page and never makes it. Blank page. =( Any ideas? --InnocentlySassy t | c 21:55, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I use Firefox on my MacBook Pro and am having no problems... What skin are you using? --Image:gengar orange 22x22.png Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5:30 PM PST 29 Mar 2008
No clue, I'll look at that when I'm back on the Mac. --InnocentlySassy t | c 03:21, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, apparently my Firefox got updated and is working fine. Not sure if that'll help, but for now I'll take it. =) --InnocentlySassy t | c 22:02, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
On rare occasions I've seen corrupted files in the cache do this kind of thing. Emptying your browser cache, or sometimes just hitting the reload button while holding the shift key, can fix it. No idea if that was causing your issue, though. -W.woods 12:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stubs 2.4?

I remember someone mentioning in an earlier post that they were removing the stubs from patch 2.4. Category:Stubs/Upcoming_Patch There's still a lot of stuff in there. Can we go through them and remove them (and if they're still stubs, make them non-2.4's)? Or is there a process that needs to be done, like, check to see if they actually made the live release? --InnocentlySassy t | c 22:02, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Well some of the stubbed ones are for the midsummer festival as well. Since it's technically not live for those yet, I'd say keep the stubs how they are. And only remove the stubs on pages that are complete with all necessary info... otherwise it will just get lost in the normal stubs that are rarely looked at (unless on the page itself). User:CoobraSssssssssssssssssssssssss User:CoobraFor Pony! {TDon't hiss at me.•CIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.) 02:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
if you can figure out a way to decide which ones to remove and which ones to leave i can have the replace bot go remove the tags. Laurly talk|contr|bot 17:54, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
I think you can remove the stub/2.4, if the information seems relatively complete and does not apply to holiday events that haven't happened (like Midsummer Fire Festival). Make sure to replace the stub/2.4 with a regular stub (stub/Item, stub/NPC, stub/Quest, etc.) if the info is not complete (i.e. no source, no tooltip, no external links). --Image:gengar orange 22x22.png Fandyllic (talk · contr) 2:05 PM PST 31 Mar 2008
Or NYI, for items like Midsummer. --Sky (t · c · w) 22:13, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] It's that time of year again....

Main Page ... we do love to mess with people's heads. Kirkburn  talk  contr 01:32, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Nedz moar kittehs. It is still funny.--