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Contents 1 CSS / JS revamp 2 JS Tooltips 3 The Revolution will not be outlined as a bullet list 4 Druid Abilities, not broken out by level. 5 Gems vs Minerals 6 {{Wotlk}} et al. 7 Preview of new default skin options! 8 PNG problem 9 Playxpert 10 New boilerplate: pet ability 11 New to Making Wikis 12 Am I squatting? 13 I need HELP 14 Character pages 15 Speedy delete 16 Corrupted Blood Article 17 wiki template q 18 Agitated ancestors of Nagrand 19 Hyjal and the Demon Hunters 20 High Elves 21 Equipment 21.1 the way it could be done 21.2 Comments 22 Warhammer Beta Giveaway for WowWiki editors 23 Darktable 24 External images 25 Thought Bubble Icon 26 Auto-categorizing subzones 27 Server ? 28 PC Gamer UK and the inability to spell 29 Vanilla, BC, TBC, WLK, WOTLK.. etc 30 village pump forums an option? 31 Test Teamspeak online 32 resist gear 33 Picture captions 34 Character Pages: Server vs User? 35 Images and copyright 36 Quest: Stave of the Ancients. 37 Battle/War Template help 38 Signature

CSS / JS revamp

Few things have been fixed/added throughout the site, such as the possibility to show/hide tables (see {{Navigation Box}}), or the preferences page. Hope you like them! --Ady_s 01:11, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

In addition to the extensive CSS work (feedback and suggestions please!), I have altered a few Main Page links slightly, with Reputation and Warcraft Universe now appearing. The latter needs a fair bit of link work, whilst one page it links, Quotes of World of Warcraft, is weird to say the least. It repeats a massive amount of info from flirts and jokes. One other quick thing - how should tables be changed? Atm they appear as:

I am a default table without any styles applied to me.

... and should probably be altered to fit better with the colour scheme. A darker background perhaps? For comparison pre (large code block) tags use #2c2c2c, whereas darktable (nav tables) uses #202020. Kirkburn talk contr 01:59, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I'm tempted to remove the default bg colour from tables entirely, since it doesn't actually help (and messes with certain other elements, such as categories). Kirkburn talk contr 03:48, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

More tweaks made! I have yet to do anything with table bgs yet, asi want to see what stuff breaks with the change. The only stuff I have come across so far is some info tables on zones, e.g. Elwynn Forest, which need converting to new-style tables anyway. Kirkburn talk contr 18:27, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

nav boxes, like stuff derrived from {{Navigation Box}}, don't actually use darktable... they need converted over. TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 03:34, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

As a very minor nugget of info: CSS 2.1 has a color shortcut, where you type #rgb and it's expanded to #rrggbb - that means something like #fc2 will expand to #ffcc22, not #f0c020. So maybe when picking widely used colors, stick to that convention, (meaning change both to #222222). Of course, it's safe to assume most people reading this wiki aren't on ancient 8-bit color displays. But it doesn't hurt to be "accessible" to some degree. Further reading: [1] --Piumosso-Uldum 04:20, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

You might want to remove the "google ads" line from above the "Wiki Spotlight" box in the nav column on the left. - Clyde_Jr - tal_k - contri_b 19:53, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I have mentioned it to those who can change it. I hate that sidebar anyway, in my own CSS it has no borders or backgrounds. Kirkburn talk contr 20:05, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Another quick change - tables now have no background by default, so you may find tables that need a background defined. The only one's I came across in testing were on zone pages (e.g. Westfall), but those tables need redoing anyway. Kirkburn talk contr 17:07, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I need a styling opinion on class boxes. Some classes shouldn't have an issue with background coloring. Paladin, mage, rogue, and priest are exceptions, due to their light class color. For the paladin I feel like I got a good color. Further, someone might want to set up alternating background colors for some lists (I'll do my best on the paladin ones. See Paladin and comment on the color choice. Modify at will in mediawiki:common.css. Use your favorite color picker, but the one I found with little searching, which is good enough for me, is ColorPicker 3.1.

I've also changed essentially all the templates that call Template:listboxformat so that they're properly classed. Some of the times I invented a new class in the middle of it, so not all similar boxes have the same classing scheme throughout. That's pretty easy to fix, and will come out in the wash I suspect. It is my opinion that many similar templates should be classed similarly (in the relevant way) so that even if their class isn't described in the CSS at the moment, in the future you will be able to describe them all in one swoop, and they'll all match in their own way. It could take a lot of work to manage that now, but for future reference.... Schmidt 16:42, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Great work! Kirkburn talk contr 18:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I came home and my brother's computer was on NFL.com. He's a Dallas fan, so it was open to the box scores for their preseason game. I found it interesting that their rookie kicker Nick Folk made a 52-yard FG and Grammatica missed a 51-yarder. In any case, I noticed that when you mouseover a stat row on Martin Grammatica's page the entire row takes a different class. I know that it can't be that hard to manage with coding. (onmouseover="this.className='over'" onmouseout="this.className=''") I looked at the source and it's pretty basic, but I was wondering if we could manage to set something up somehow where we could have built-in coding...somehow...yeah. I don't know how it could be pulled off other than the obvious (which would be to code that in for each row), but I wonder if you crazy bot-writing people could jerry-rig something in that regard. Further, is this something that anyone would be interested in implementing for generalized styling? If so, and if no other coding would help, I suppose we could write a template that would allow a row to be formatted with one class normally, and if it was moused over, it would take an alternate class. The main class and the mouseover classes should be user-selectable with the call to the template. Or possibly (not sure about this), maybe we could define some such as: .paladin {...} .paladin:hover {...}, eh? Anyone know? Schmidt 23:42, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

And I've added warlock and mage colors to the CSS. See user:D. F. Schmidt/Sandbox for a test version of the nav table. I'll work on more class colors as I find the time and energy. Comments on color formatting are welcome, as well as whether or not these colors (even if otherwise adopted) should be found in the classnav table. Schmidt 06:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok. I added all the class colors with the obvious exception of Death Knight. Take a look at my sandbox as above. The class colors could use some tweaking, and I don't mind it one bit. I tried to keep all the colors used within the realm of the class color. Obviously rogues and priests are especially tricky on that part. For priests I just made them silverish; rogues are even more tricky than that because yellow doesn't translate well into darker colors. In any case, I would like it if class pages and especially tables that are associated with a given class use these colors (not these specific colors, but class coloring as such), but I don't think I can enforce that to any extent greater than just an expression of wish. Schmidt 13:41, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't think class coloring to that extent really flows well with the coloring of the wiki. If you hadn't noticed, the wiki is a dark grey background with very dark hues of the other colors. Especially, using bright pink for the paladins won't work. Maybe for accent, but not for the entire table. I think the second dispel example on your sandbox might be best. --Pcj (T•C) 13:07, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

As if I hadn't noticed that. I was, after all, designing the colors according to a foreground of white text. I did a pretty good job of selecting colors, I think. I could have done a little better obviously, or--better yet--someone else could have suggested a color or two in response, and even better still, someone else could have come up with a better color right off. In any case, well... whatever. Schmidt 07:26, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, the last dispel table looks ok, the others are a bit excessive on color. --GRYPHON^tc 15:07, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Alright, so I guess we can just have one such definition for class box elements, meaning no alternate colors for alternating lines. That works, and it makes it better really, since if the alt colors as they are now are the main colors, it'll match the dark overall scheme better. Alright, when I get to it, I'll change it if no one else has yet. I do agree, but I wanted to check it out anyways. Schmidt 07:17, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Priest alternate row color was badly defined anyway. --Pcj (T•C) 21:27, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I challenge you and anyone else to present a suggestion that someone might have made as to what color these elements should take. (I never said they were the best colors, but the best I could do with my limited design experience.) After all, what is a wiki for, anyways? Schmidt 08:44, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

By badly defined I mean it was an invalid number being passed in the CSS entry. You seem to have left off a digit. --Pcj (T•C) 12:04, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

You should make the ".paladin a, .paladinalt a" definition white in my opinion, pink on pink looks terrible. --Pcj (T•C) 18:30, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

So we have JS... the big question... when are we getting Wowhead-provided hover tooltips for {{loot}}? TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 07:34, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Separated PcJ's tooltip discussion into it's own section below. --Fandyllic (talk · contr)

JS Tooltips

I'm looking for people to help me test my implementation of WoWWiki-powered hover tooltips for that. If you're interested, let me know. Thanks! --Pcj (T•C) 21:27, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

To do this, edit your Special:Mypage/wowwiki.js and add this code:

document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src="http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=User:Pcj/itemtooltip.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script>');

And you will see tooltips on calls to {{loot}}. Beware that once you move the cursor over, there will be a small wait time before the tooltip shows up. After checking it out for a while, you can decide for yourself whether or not you like it. Schmidt 14:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Watch out for "</script>" inside scripts -- if you don't break it up, most some browsers will try to terminate the script there. If you break up the tag as "</scr"+"ipt>", though, it works fine. // DarkRyder /  /  // 20:26, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

wowwiki.js is included as a reference too, so the HTML parser shouldn't touch it; therefore </script> is ok. --Pcj (T•C) 21:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

References aren't proof against that problem. For example, I'm using FF 2.0.0.6 and when it encounters the string "</script>" inside an externally-referenced script, it terminates the script, dumps the remainder as text to the web page, and generates an "unterminated string" error, exactly the same as if the script were in-line. Strange, but true. // DarkRyder /  /  // 23:31, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm using the exact same browser and not getting that problem. Anyway, whatever works for you. --Pcj (T•C) 23:34, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I like it! Works great here... running FF 2.0.0.6 TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 02:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Testing out in IE7 and the tooltips are working great! :-D Tyka 07:05, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Tyka: You may notice that sometimes the tooltips don't display in the right place in IE7. If you notice it and can figure out any commonality or reason behind it, please let me know. Thanks. --Pcj (T•C) 04:12, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

The Revolution will not be outlined as a bullet list

Does anyone else here feel that Microsoft Powerpoint will be the downfall of human civilization? I mean no offense to any editor in particular, and I don't want to single out specific articles, and I realize that this is a senseless nitpick and others will disagree. But, I've always felt that the English language is a beautiful and unique snowflake. So, when I read bullet lists of sentence fragments, it wounds my inner child. In general, I'm wondering if anyone else has felt this way, and is it worthwhile to expand and draw more attention to WoWWiki's manual of style. Thoughts? Flames? --Piumosso-Uldum 00:12, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

What lists are you referring to? I like angle brackets myself.--SWM2448 00:17, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, it's just a general style thing. I was trying to avoid putting a specific article on the spot, so I'll take a good example and bastardize it. Consider if the article on Illidan Stormrage began like this:

Illidan Stormrage:

• Known as the Betrayer
• Current Lord of Outland
• Rules the Black Temple

...instead of what is actually there...

Illidan Stormrage, known as the Betrayer, is the current the Lord of Outland, ruling from the Black Temple.

Which style is better? --Piumosso-Uldum 00:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

The latter, by miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles :) Kirkburn talk contr 00:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Your inner child is a whiner, can a smack him upside the head a few times? I will agree that there's some really nasty crap that goes up on the wiki (tables that use <br /> for aligning rows anyone?)... but in my view the first priority of the wiki is to make accurate information available to everyone. Making said info pretty and grammarly correctish is lower priority. Not that that's an excuse to not be using the good englishes if you already know its. TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 02:10, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, my other idea was to enforce iambic pentameter for all articles, but I'm keeping that on hold. That would be redic... err RIDICulous. --Piumosso-Uldum 05:36, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Iambic pentameter for the win!

Unfortunately it will soon become

too repetitious than we all can stand.

So, I suggest some rhyme and, just for kicks,

some four line stanzas alternating rhythm.

So, after pentameter switch to tri.

--DuTempete talk|contr 18:02, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I think I have a new hero --Ilublawn 19:23, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Back on topic... Although painful to realize, WoWWiki is not a literature wiki and some people don't want to ply the antediluvian courses of glittering prose to find information about a subject. Hence, bullet items. My counter argument... would you rather see a {{disambig}} for corruption in this form:

A warlock might consider the Corruption (spell) most apropos rather than the clumsy weapon Corruption (sword), when engaging in the dark path that leads to the Quest:Corruption which ironically would only make sense if said warlock was also a blacksmith.

Although it may read nicely, lingering on a disambig isn't really efficient or necessary. --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 11:09 AM PDT 23 Aug 2007

Art is hardly antediluvian. That said, the disambiguation page would not be doing its job very well if it was worded like your example there. Indeed, you wouldn't want a simple page looking like that, or be so wordy. The example of Illidan is proper. The prose version is not too wordy or confusing in the least. The bulleted version is simply, awkward and clunky and less useful. I think. Maybe I can't put my finger on it. Schmidt 13:37, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Druid Abilities, not broken out by level.

OK. This page appears to not follow the conventions used for other classes. All other classes break it down by level in order. Druid abilities are simply listed with how many ranks they have, giving no indication WHEN they become available.

Any problem with changing it to match other ability pages?

Oh, how do we find all tables?

--SharlinTalk / Did 10:24, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

See WW:BOLD. Making pages uniform is always welcome (especially as long as you keep all the content). I don't know what you're looking for in "find all tables". --Pcj (T•C) 13:26, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I guess what I am looking for is a simpler way to make nice looking tables than all of the steps we have to go through now. Are there programs to convert word documents into WIKI commands? Perhaps HTLM to WIKI that we can use at this site. SharlinTalk / Did 16:12, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

MS Word generates nasty, bloated HTML, so please don't use that. Making tables in WoWWiki isn't that hard. I can give a quick tutorial here:

• {| is that same as <table>
  • {| cellspacing="3px" style="border:1px solid #333333;" is the same as <table cellspacing="3px" style="border:1px solid #333333;>
• |- is the same as <tr>
  • |- bgcolor="#666666" is the same as <tr bgcolor="#666666">
• || is the same as <td>
  • | align="center" colspan="2" | is the same as <td align="center" colspan="2">
• |} is that same as </table>

With this basic knowledge you can make pretty fancy tables.

So in example:

{|border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"

|-bgcolor="#666666"

|align="center" width="60px"|'''Status'''

|align="center" width="80px"|'''[[Realm|<font color="white">Server</font>]]'''

|align="center" width="60px"|'''[[Faction|<font color="white">Faction</font>]]'''

|align="left" width="80px"|'''Name'''

|align="center" width="40px"|'''Gender'''

|align="center" width="80px"|'''[[Race|<font color="white">Race</font>]]'''

|align="center" width="70px"|'''[[Class|<font color="white">Class</font>]]'''

|align="center" width="40px"|'''[[Level|<font color="white">Level</font>]]'''

|-bgcolor="#040418" valign="top"

|align="center"|active

|align="center"|[[Server:Dalaran US|Dalaran US]]

|align="center"|<imagelink>Alliance_15.gif|Alliance</imagelink>

|align="left"|[http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Dalaran&n=Gnomity Gnomity]

|align="center"|M

|align="center"|[[Gnome]]<br /><imagelink>IconSmall_Gnome_Male.gif|Gnome</imagelink>

|align="center"|[[Warrior]]<br /><imagelink>IconSmall_Warrior.gif|Warrior</imagelink>

|align="center"|19

|}

Yields:

Granted, if you don't want create a table from scratch you might want to just hunt down someone else's table and copy/edit it. --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4:57 PM PDT 23 Aug 2007

Gems vs Minerals

Off updating engineered items, I got side tracked by the Talasite page. It seems that when the decision was made to shift Template:Gems to Template:Minerals, few of the links were updated. The old template was a sidebar, and so at the top of the page. There is now a new Gems template, which IMO has useful information, but is much better sitting at the bottom of the page. Both templates have some value, different information, but some overlap. Opinions on whether to:

• use both templates (ala Talasite as of this writing),
• just the minerals template (ala Blood Garnet)
• just use the gems template (like Earthstorm Diamond)

Please note that many minerals (Jade, for instance) that are not Gem stones need to have their links updated. I may get around to it, but... --Eirik Ratcatcher 17:27, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay to have both. The {{gems}} template is misleading as it only lists gems. The {{minerals}} sidebar is getting kind of huge. --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 1:07 PM PDT 3 Aug 2007

I would suspect that the gems template is to show what items can be inserted into sockets. Maybe it should be called "Socket Gems" or some such, but for simplicity keep it as template:gems. But also, there are pearls (I think) that can be inserted into sockets, and enchanting-crafted items also. I don't know how you would want to finagle that. I'll give it a shot right now, and I'll consider my upcoming change revertible if anyone wants it back the way it was. Schmidt 05:40, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Pearls are considered gemstones in the real world, why would it be any different in WoW? I think both templates are fine and shold be used in context (BC minerals will get both templates, pre-BC ones will get {{minerals}} only) Perhaps minerals need some of that auto-collapse majick? Only show the relevant section? TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 05:52, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Doable, with Wikipedia:NavFrame. If you need to see it in action, have a look at Template:Mage. With NavFrame, it is also possible to force it to un-collapse in the specific section, which isn't done at Mage. --Sky (t · c · w) 05:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, so maybe I misunderstood. Based on what template:gems always was, it would be obvious to me that it's specifically for those gems that are to be cut or those that are ready as is to go into a socket. Not stuff like Mana Emerald (which is also something of a "gem") or Moss Agate which is only a reagent, not a gem to be cut and socketed. It simply doesn't make sense to fit older gems in such a template which from inception was specifically for socket gems. imo, nothing found in http://www.wowhead.com/?items=3.7 should be in such a list. On the other hand, the BC gems should be included with the older ones (perhaps) because many of them if not all are used as reagents in crafted items.[2] Schmidt 06:26, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

My only beef with this issue is that the profession is called Jewelcrafting and not gemcrafting. It would be easier if we could distinguish cuttable gems as "jewels" like it seemed to be when this whole idea started. Calling a Moss Agate "only a reagent" is unnecessarily confusing because all but the most alien items in WoW are generally analogous to real world items. Imagine how your fiancee would feel if you got her an engagement ring with big reagent or reagent necklace. This is the only reason why it would be nice to have the {{gems}} template be renamed to something a bit more specific. Keeping it gems is mostly for the lazy. --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 11:49 PM PDT 24 Aug 2007

In the auction house, all what you call gems or jewels are listed as Gems. In a parallel vein, ammo bags that carry bullets not arrows are also grouped up under Quiver. Non-weapon offhand items fall under Armor. I'm not one to look for the reagent-only gems (rarely to never need them), but they are listed (in wowhead) as simple gems. I'm not positive, but my best guess would be that they appear in Trade Goods at the auctioneer. In any case, still, consider the scope of template:gems, and that of template:minerals. And there is no reference in WoW itself to them being "jewels" specifically other than the fact that they're cut by Jewelcrafters. Then again, ores are smelted by miners. Go figure. Incidentally, you wouldn't give your fiancee a "gem ring" or "jewel ring" either, for your engagement. Schmidt 08:28, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Uh, what if he doesn't like diamonds? Even then, diamonds are another gemstone in the end. When I worked in Jewelry we had distinct display cases... "Bridal Diamonds", "Fashion Diamonds" (everything not bridal/wedding bands that had diamonds), "Fine gemstones", "Cubic Zirconia", "10KT Gold", "14KT Gold", and "Sterling Silver". So yes, for someone who doesn't like diamonds, like my husband, one WOULD buy them a gemstone ring, unless they went for a stoneless ring like the gold and silver. I'm somewhat partial to rubies, garnets and deep green emeralds (created obviously, real deep green ones are hideously expensive).

The whole point here was to make a distinction between cut items that fit in sockets and raw crafting materials. WoW never makes reference to "Jewels", but the word has the same meaning as "Gemstone"... so it didn't make much sense fo "Gem " to be raw and "jewel" to be processed... as was the previous nomenclature here on the wiki. Yes, "Mineral" vs "gem" can be debated as well, but it makes more sense than "Gem" vs "Jewel" did. Personally I like "Simple gem", it's much less confusing, and it is the naming Blizzy uses on the AH. And for those that asked, "Simple" gems are listed under the "Gem" category, not the "Trade Goods" one.

Oh yea, also, I hate the word "Jewelcrafters"... the real-world analogue is "Jeweler" or "Gem Cutter" (which are two distinctly different things) :P TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 09:30, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

And back to the left. I just updated {{gems}} to the navbox design. Seems fair that it should be moved to, say, {{socketgems}}, and both templates used when appropriate. Kirkburn talk contr 10:32, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

{{Wotlk}} et al.

So, Wrath of the Lich King is here, and no-doubt we're gonna get a great many pages appearing in the next few days. So i threw together a quick mini-logo to put into templates, Any Opinions?

{{Wotlk}} This article concerns content exclusive to Wrath of the Lich King. {{Wotlk-section}} Note: This section concerns content exclusive to Wrath of the Lich King . {{Wotlk-inline}} From User:Kaso/Wotlk

There was some discussion on IRC about how the {{Bc}} template is over/miss used, and perhaps because of that we do not need a {{Wotlk}} nor infact a {{Bc}}. Anyone wish to discuss that? I have different sizes if the minilogo, if smaller/larger is wanted.

--Kaso 21:31, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I think it's normally abbreviated to Wrath. I just made this one from yours, I think this might be better. Kanaru discussion 01:16, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Blood Elves

Death Knights

Yes thats pretty nice actually i was worried mine was a little too large, the Wrath one does seem to better sized. I wonder if anyone else has opinions on this? --Kaso 20:03, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Just like "the burning crusade" is cut down to BC.

i think "wrath of the lich king" might just be cut down to WK, or WLK

i'm not sure the big banners are needed, though for continents it'll definitely be a good idea.  - CJ talk / cont  15:08, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Looks like I used a different image than for {{wotlk-inline}} . Nothing personal, but I like the "Wrath" one, since it is a bit sharper as far as readability and a bit smaller. --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5:34 PM PDT 6 Aug 2007

Two weeks later... I like "Wrath" better myself. It's sharper, a tad smaller, and more logical than "WotLK". With Burning Crusade "BC worked well, it was easy to say, but you try saying, or typing "WotLK".... it just doesn't roll off the tongue... TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 05:54, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Preview of new default skin options!

Check out the preview page for ideas on what the new default skin may become, and leave your feedback on the talk page!

--Rustak 23:46, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

The yellow is too bright IMO. Can you tweak it to match a bit closer to the bottom of the W logo? TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 09:05, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

What he said, absolutely. Maybe even some "used" look like the logo itself. Apart from that I think it's fine, but why does it have to be changed at all?  Flotsam (talk con)  16:19, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I guess the thought here is that some of the gadgets and features of the new design will encourage editing, and returning readership? As far as I can tell, it's not going to make things any easier on those of us who are already editing, but it sure is more Wikia-fied. --DuTempete talk|contr 17:26, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Respond on WoWWiki talk:Default Skin Preview, please! Thanks :) Kirkburn talk contr 21:27, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh god no,, don't add half a page of that wikia stuff, we complained before the move that that was 1 thing nobody wanted to see. We like the colors the way they are :P and huge panels really distract from the normal content.  - CJ talk / cont  07:42, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Owie my eyes! What's wrong with the nice gentle grey background? Having them available as possible choices, ok, but eye-meltingly loud colors bad. --Azaram 04:46, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

PNG problem

Ever since the main page redesign, .png files will not display for me! ¹³³⁶ 02:38, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Are you using Internet Explorer? --Pcj (T•C) 02:54, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

There was javascript implemented a while ago to help make png's transparent in IE6, that should be the only thing affecting png, not the main page redesign. --GRYPHON^tc 14:54, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I've been away. Yes, I am using IE6. Is there something I need to en-/dis-able? ¹³³⁶ 23:08, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean. *All* PNGs won't display? Kirkburn talk contr 23:50, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, let me be more specific. As a page loads (no the image, the whole page) I can see the image. But as soon as it finishes loading, all the images become transparent. I can click on them still, but they arent there. It's not a broken image either. If I click the image, and it takes me to the Image: page, it is STILL transparent. ¹³³⁶ 02:53, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I am having exactly the same problem as is stated above by Lessthan 1337 02:53, 8 August 2007 (UTC). This is on a system with Win XP and IE6. Any help would be appreciated. --Cuznvini 23:12, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Some questions: Is this only on the main page? Is this only .png images? do you have javascript enabled or disabled on IE? Please can you give a link to an image that is affected. Thanks -- sannse (talk) 12:10, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

From what I can see, all PNG images using transparent colors disappear immediately after the page finishes loading. Specific examples include the WoWWiki logo, Blinky the Beholder, and the "Wiki Spotlight" icon, regardless of what spotlight is displayed. The images both look fine and remain on the page in Opera, but in Internet Explorer 6.0 (and presumably below), the images disappear after the page finishes loading and the image for Blinky is not transparent at all. (In fact, before it disappears, it comes up as Blinky on a light grey-colored background.) ~ Doc Lithius (U)(T)(C) 13:12, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I can see the problem on IE6. I tried to disable javascript, but still saw the problem (possibly I didn't get all controls for that, I'm not familiar with IE). Kirkburn, maybe you could comment out the section of js relating to image transparencies and see if that's the problem? From what I see this is affecting all png files on all pages. -- sannse (talk) 11:32, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if this has anything to do with this problem, but every page on WoWWiki that I display has a error message in IE6:

Line: 52

Char: 1

Error: 'wgBreakFrames' is undefined

Code: 0

Cuznvini 05:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

That's to do with the upgrade, and should go away once monobook is up to date. It took me far longer than it should have, but it's definitely the fix on transparencies in the local js file. I've removed this from common.js now, thinking it's better to see ugly backgrounds rather than no image at all! But one of the admins here can revert me if you feel different of course :) -- sannse (talk) 12:18, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I've got good news and I've got bad news...

The Good News: The graphics aren't hiding on me anymore!

The Bad News: Blinky still doesn't have a transparent background in Internet Explorer 6. XD

Just figured you might wanna know!  :3 ~ Doc Lithius (U)(T)(C) 11:16, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I'm afraid I don't know how to fix that, or even if it's possible to do so smoothly... I just removed the fix that didn't work :-/ I hate to give this as advice, but can you upgrade or switch browser? IE6 just isn't designed to see transparencies in .png -- sannse (talk) 07:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey guys, me again. All .pngs work for me now and I didn't do anything. Thanks for your help and good luck to all others who still have problems. ¹³³⁶ 23:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

To Sannse -- I'm gonna put this as politely as I can. *inhale noise* ...no. But transparent PNGs really aren't my thing anyway, so don't worry too much about it. I sure won't if I ever actually have something to upload in PNG format that has a solid background! (Yes, I have a program that can make it transparent. Don't worry.)  ;3 ~ Doc Lithius (U)(T)(C) 23:28, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, this kind of explains the stuff I'd been seeing. Like on the Rare Pet page, all the pictures have a white border around them in IE6. Work fine in Firefox, haven't tried any other browsers. This is a work computer, so I can't change browsers on it. Blinky and Deathwing both have blank white backgrounds around them on the main page. 'Change browsers' really isn't a good answer to the problem, as IE6 is still the standard (as much as I hate it...) --Azaram 05:21, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Azaram, Blink shouldn't be having that issue, but Deathwing was actually uploaded with a white background (It's out of MG, I believe). --Sky (t · c · w) 05:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Playxpert

The following is an article taken from the Main Page:

PLAYXPERT is a next-generation in-game community management toolset developed for PC-based and MMO games. Built around a completely unique in-game overlay technology, PLAYXPERT brings the tools that gamers use into the games they play. In conjunction with Wikia, PLAYXPERT is proud to announce the WoWWiki Widget - an in-game widget allowing users to access, read, and contribute to the most popular wiki about World of Warcraft. Users can search, read, and submit new content into WoWWiki without leaving the game. Screenshots - Image:Playxpert1.jpg and Image:Playxpert2.jpg WoWWiki Widget overview - [3] Visit PLAYXPERT.com for more details! Related news stories - profy - Mashable - GamesIndustry.biz - Gaming Today

From some background - PLAYXPERT recently approached Wikia with news of their overlay technology to allow people to browse WoWWiki whilst staying in-game. We think it's cool, and want to let you know about it. PLAYXPERT are also planning on creating similar widgets for other Wikia wikis, but you can test out the beta client and WoWWiki widget right now by signing up on their site! (edit: Windows only, it seems) Kirkburn talk contr 20:42, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

That's the best thing ever! I an installing this bugger right now! ...or as soon as I get it, anyways. XD I mean, alt-tabbing out wasn't that much of a hassle, but having it right there in-game is just fabulous, considering I've yet to find a "Notepad" AddOn for World of Warcraft. ~ Doc Lithius (U)(T)(C) 21:13, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

There used to be one called, oddly enough, 'Notepad', but it was munged in one of the patches quite a while ago. Haven't seen a good one in quite a while. One problem with this, which is a Wowwiki problem rather than a problem with Playxpert, is that a lot of the coordinates and things have either been taken out or have never been put in many of the quests that one may want to look up, leaving basically just the quest text as already listed in the game. For the last couple of weeks, all the quests I've wanted to look up, to get useful information I've had to go to Wowhead. --Azaram 10:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Is this a widget (a mini-app on Mac OS X) or a gadget (a mini-app on Windows Vista)? It looks like a gadget (no mention of Mac, at least). From the download of the Beta, this appears to be a Windows-only solution. I couldn't find any system requirements on their site. Please list if such things are Windows-only please. --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5:02 PM PDT 17 Aug 2007

My apologies, I haven't been able to test it out myself yet - I'm on Linux atm :D ... as for being called a widget, I think that's just a general term being used for this program. In other news, another article mentioning this here - [4] Kirkburn talk contr 00:16, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Going to look through the other guides but having bad luck with this so far. Basically it just lagged my machine to a near standstill. --Blame^Me→ Mucke ←^talkTo 00:50, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Is this available also to Windows XP or just Vista? I guess you have to register with them to use their product. I probably will sometime soon, if it works with XP. Schmidt 00:03, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

New boilerplate: pet ability

I was looking at warlock pet abilities (of course), and noticed the horrid lack of a standard format. I searched, and to my dismay, found no boilerplate! *gasp* So, what should a warlock do, but create her own?

Check out User:DuTempete/sandbox2, and please make any comments or suggestions you would like. I ripped the infobox template from ALiEN's Template:Infobox ability, and almost all of the content from Help:Ability articles, then adjusted for pet specific content. --DuTempete talk|contr 05:23, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

This would be awesome. For both hunter as well as warlock pets, I assume? In the infobox, as far as I know, all warlock pet abilities use mana, and hunter pet abilities use focus. Maybe also a place to indicate whether it's an active or passive ability. (Not sure if any minion abilities are passive, but many hunter pets' are.) -- Harveydrone ( talk | work ) 20:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

How about I just add "Passive" as an option for cooldown? Or do any of the Hunter pets' passive abilities have cooldowns? --DuTempete talk|contr 01:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I've completed a few warlock pet articles with this format. Check out Blood Pact, or Consume Shadows for examples. --DuTempete talk|contr 01:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

New to Making Wikis

I am new to making Wikis. I tried to read all the advice they give, but a lot doesn't make sense to someone who is new, imo. Can someone help me make Fanfiction pages? -- Daenen 01:18, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

To start your own fanfiction, type http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Daenen/(some name) into your browser, hit the edit button, and you're off!. Anything else you'd like to know? --Sky (t · c · w) 01:23, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, how do I do things like paragraphs, pictures, lines, titles, etc. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Daenen (talk · contr).

Paragraphs: just hit a double enter, like the forums. Pictures require that you upload the picture and then use the format [[Image:(imagename).(filetype)|thumb|(decription)]]. Lines? Titles are easy. Just use == (heading name) == for one, and then for sub sections use three equals or more. for another new section, use 2 equals on each side again. Anything else? --Sky (t · c · w) 01:34, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Uploading Pictures? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Daenen (talk · contr).

Click the link silly. --Sky (t · c · w) 01:38, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

How do you make a link? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Daenen (talk · contr).

Use [[(linked item)]]. And please, sign your posts with '~~~~' please. --Sky (t · c · w) 01:41, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Its a bit confusing. I will try, and come back --((User:Daenen)) How do I do the little mini screen on the right side that says name, race, gender, picture, etc? --Daenen

Try copy and pasting, and then changing the ones you want changed. :) --Sky (t · c · w) 01:51, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

How do you Bold/Underline and do I have to mark something as fanfiction, and how? -- Daenen

If you want to mark as fanfic (which you have to, indeed), place {{fanfic}} at the top of your page. Bolding requires either using <b> and </b>, or putting ''' around the relevant items. Underlining is <u> and </u>. --Sky (t · c · w) 02:11, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Now I am having a problem. ((http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Daenen/Daenen)). How do I fix it? Daenen 02:21, 19 August 2007 (UTC)Daenen

I fixed it, now you need an image. :) --Sky (t · c · w) 02:30, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

This may be bad advice but I'm gonna give it anyway. I'm new to all this stuff too. What I have done is looked at other peoples work and then copied the code I liked. Then from there I added or took away based on what I saw on even more people's pages. From there I had figured out enough to change them in ways that were my own (not that no one else has done it, just that I didn't see it before I did it). I think as long as you aren't stealing other people's content and merely formatting you are ok. Also I have found its best to search for the guides as to naming pages and categorizing pages before you make them. This will help you avoid needing to rename or delete pages. --Blame^Me→ Mucke ←^talkTo 07:09, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Looking at existing stuff is VERY GOOD ADVICE. The fastest way I've found to leran how to do things is look at something that already works. Also, you're asking very basic editing questions here... try reading that Editing help link right net the submit buttons when you edit. TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 09:25, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Category:Fan fiction holds the kind of articles you would want to be looking at, and what you seem to want to do. There's lots of it, so have fun! --DuTempete talk|contr 11:54, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Are tables of Content Automatic? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Daenen (talk · contr).

Yes, the ToCs are automatic, and will show when you have 3 or more sub-headings. Ways to manipulate the ToC are found at Help:Editing. --DuTempete talk|contr 14:13, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Is this Daenen page for a Warcraft RPG character? I wonder if we should make a template for RPG player characters (maybe {{PCRPG}} or something), like {{PC}} for WoW player characters? --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12 PM PDT 24 Aug 2007

Am I squatting?

I was reading up on Wikisquatting and I honestly want to make sure what I am doing with my character page doesn't qualify. I am leaning towards no but I want to make sure before I go further, I don't want to waste my time. So, here is my main character page Mucke, please have a look and tell me what you think, either here or on the discussion page is fine by me. -- Blame^Me→ Mucke ←^talkTo 22:24, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

The idea of this page is so people don't have to go to individual users to ask things :) Kirkburn talk contr 18:24, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikisquatting means hijacking a wiki (or part of it) for another purpose. While the average WoWWikian may not have much inte