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:: Would that work with included templates? I assumed not, but then again what do I know. [[User:Luci|Luci]] 02:30, 6 January 2007 (EST)
 
:: Would that work with included templates? I assumed not, but then again what do I know. [[User:Luci|Luci]] 02:30, 6 January 2007 (EST)
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:: I did manage to move [[Thorm Skywatcher]] to [[User:TheMonkeyKing/Thorm Skywatcher]], citing the [[WW:NAME]] policy, so I have at least figured that one out. Templates are... just not something I'm comfortable with slinging around as easily. [[User:Luci|Luci]] 03:18, 6 January 2007 (EST)

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Current Discussions


Stub/Category

Anyone think we need a new Stub type: Category? It would be put onto categories which needed to have more things tagged into that category. Category:Nature Spells, for instance. (For the moment, I have a Other stub on the Category:Spells page, which covers all the sub pages, but I'd rather have a specific stub for it.) --Bobson 15:03, 20 December 2006 (EST)

While we are at it, we might make a Stub/AddOn too Smiley --dotted 08:37, 3 January 2007 (EST)

Reverting malicious page moves

I noticed a lot of these happening. For future reference, is there a quick way to revert a malicious page move, or do you have to copy and paste manually? User:Montag/sig 03:07, 21 December 2006 (EST)

For a move, you should be able to just move it back. For an in-place edit, you should be able to load a previous version from the history, then click "Edit" and "save". There may be a better way, but I don't know it. --Bobson 07:06, 21 December 2006 (EST)

New vandalism tool

To help fix with malicious moves, I've created the Template:Tlink template. It works the same way as the Template:Tlink template. Its use is as follows:

{{malmove|DestinationPage}} where DestinationPage = the page's home.

It puts maliciously moved pages into Category:Maliciously moved pages where they can be moved back to their destinations by users or admins. If someone copied and pasted the contents back to the home page and then added new edits, be sure to merge those edits with the older version before you move it. This helps preserve the history of each page. User:Montag/sig 13:10, 21 December 2006 (EST)

Official WoWWiki IRC Channel

For all talk WoWWiki, visit the new official IRC channel, set up solely for your WoW + Wiki needs :P Several of the admin frequent the channel, and you are invited to discuss issues with us or notify us of important developments there!

Visit: irc.freenode.net, #wowwiki

-- Kirkburn (talk) 18:46, 21 December 2006 (EST)

New admins!

I cordially invite you to congratulate the new wave of admins! (who had better behave or so face my wrath =)

Promoted this very evening, they have been added to the ranks to aid to wiki as it grows and grows and goes from strength to strength. If you feel left out and deserving of adminship, do not despair. We certainly are not ignoring your efforts, but we can't induct too many at once. Too many cooks and all that :P

Admins, I expect you to do your best and always think before doing! -- Kirkburn (talk) 18:58, 21 December 2006 (EST)

/doom User:Tekkub/Sig 20:25, 21 December 2006 (EST)
rm -rf wiki --Gryphon 21:38, 21 December 2006 (EST)
/cast [target=wowwiki] Inferno --Hobinheim 21:58, 21 December 2006 (EST)
I really don't want to deal with the controversy surrounding your retcons. ;-)--Ragestorm 22:00, 21 December 2006 (EST)
Cool; "OMG!!1!11!1oneone!1 gz! u mde lvl 60!!11!!!one!! h4x lol" that's all I can say. User:Bull3t/Signature08:57, 23 December 2006 (GMT)
Hahaha! ::Drunk with power.:: ...Hic! User:Montag/sig 16:10, 23 December 2006 (EST)
Good job all! Now I feel bad that I couldn't be active for the last weeks :]> --Tinkerer 16:12, 23 December 2006 (EST)
We're doomed ! :P User:CrazyJack/Sig 10:12, 3 January 2007 (EST)

Small note concerning the Guild article page

Atm, I'm trying to work on my Server page Server:Shattered_Hand_Europe to use it as a representative for the PR. For this I wanted to force some guilds on my server to make a guild page, but while writing an assistance post on how to do this, something vital struck me. Help:Guild_article has no information whatsoever on the name you should use for the page of your guild. You can't just allow guilds to just take a page like any other page. Eventually that would create problems for guilds with the same names...

So do we have any policy on how to name the page of your guild? If we don't, shouldn't we urgently create one? I can see many guilds using the wowwiki as an easy way to get a guild Homepage, a lack of a naming policy can become devastational (especially now that I'm writing on a PR post to get more players and guilds to do this)

So your thoughts on this?

--Patrigan 20:25, 23 December 2006 (EST)

I suggest taking a cue from [[User:<name>/<page name>]], Something like
[[Server:<Server name>/<Guild Name>]]. Baggins 20:28, 23 December 2006 (EST)
So I can take it that there isn't a policy yet? It is quite important that this policy gets set in stone. --Patrigan 20:37, 23 December 2006 (EST)
I've made an example here;

Server:Shattered_Hand_Europe/Order_Of_The_HammerBaggins 20:40, 23 December 2006 (EST)

That brings up the problem that http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Shattered_Hand_Europe_Guilds got completely fucked up... which is something that should be avoided. Any solutions? --Patrigan 08:46, 24 December 2006 (EST)

I don't think there is any hard fix for that issue. However, the guild name should still be alphabatized so its still fairly clear to see the name of the guild.
I suppose another alternative is reverse it to Order Of The Hammer/Server:Shattered Hand Europe. But yes we would have to put that kind of change to a vote I think. We could ask which of the two forms that people prefer.Baggins 11:59, 24 December 2006 (EST)
That might actually work for the Guilds and then make Order_Of_The_Hammer a disambiguation(? Spelling XD) page, where a link can be made to the right realm. It solves the sorting problem, the guilds with the same name problem and it just works in general! So still put a vote up for it? If yes, then can we speed it up a bit, because my PR post is nearly fully written >.> :p --Patrigan 15:51, 24 December 2006 (EST)

This discussion should probably be held on the WoWWiki:Policy/Writing/Guild_pages talk page because the pump gets archived and the discussion starts over in another couple months, this has been brought up numerous times before. The problem with using servername/guildname or some other combination of server and guild name is that not all guilds are confined to a single server. --Gryphon 16:40, 24 December 2006 (EST)

Just making sure it doesn't get forgotten, made a note on the talk page as well. We REALLY Must make it a rule in stone that a guild should ALWAYS be followed by it's server. At the moment, people just need to do that when it collides with another article. That can just give us extra work in the occasions that Blizzard decides toi do something with that word. Per example, Storm has been brought up. Those guilds have been changed and the page is now a disambithingy page, with the server between brackets behind it. Imagine that this disamthingy wasn't done, then we would most probably be facing a problem, seeing that the BC brings quite a lot of "Storm"s. So we have to change the Guild Policy article into saying that ALL Guildpages must be followed by a Servername in Brackets (what the guild policy page tells us to do now WHEN it collides). No more vague thingy aboutwhen colliding this and colliding that. No, it's simple to me. EVERYTHING must follow the Guildname (Servername) rule. Sorry, if I sounded harsh btw, but it's getting quite important now --Patrigan - Talk - SH (EU) 19:11, 26 December 2006 (EST)
Write a policy proposal. I'd certainly vote for the Guildname (Server) style. User:Montag/sig 11:02, 27 December 2006 (EST)

Featured article

WoWWiki:Featured articles. Are we going to do anything with it anytime soon? Personally, I think it would be a great idea because it motivates many people to increase the quality of their articles. That could in turn earn WoWWiki a reputation for being a high quality WoW resource. IconSmall BloodElf MaleAPส˜LLส˜(ZEUS) 11:08, 25 December 2006 (EST)

Fantastic idea! I totally support this. We should first come up with a rubrick, similiar to Wikipedia's, about what makes a good-ish article. Or even just bullet points that have to be satisfied before being a featured article. I'm totally down. --Hobinheim 11:46, 25 December 2006 (EST)
Fantastic, but will anyone maintain it. If we have someone actually keeping it up to date, then yes. If that's not guaranteed, it'll just fail again :/ -- Kirkburn (talk) 16:41, 25 December 2006 (EST)
Update what? The featured article? Bot that. Besides, it doesn't have to be like... Weekly or daily or anything. Let the bot sort all that crap out given a pool of articles. =) --Hobinheim 18:20, 25 December 2006 (EST)
In preperation for this project, I've made some reference/citation-related templates. Details on how to use them to follow one day... --Hobinheim 18:20, 25 December 2006 (EST)
I'm glad you like it. We still need to figure out how articles would be able to obtain this 'featured' status. Are we going to entertain a nomination process similar to Wikipedia's or will a board consisting of a few members handpick articles? IconSmall BloodElf MaleAPส˜LLส˜(ZEUS) 04:48, 26 December 2006 (EST)
Too early/slow to worry about a committee like that... How about something really low barrier like 1. must pass the rubrick for a featured article. 2. must be nominated for featured article status. 3. must be approved of by five positive votes within a week without major contention (just an example) --Hobinheim 11:18, 26 December 2006 (EST)
I like that idea. So the procedure you're suggesting should actually be identical to the deletion process? IconSmall BloodElf MaleAPส˜LLส˜(ZEUS) 11:26, 26 December 2006 (EST)
Similar, not identical. I dunno, just perused through it really quickly. Maybe something pruned down and easier to grasp. --Hobinheim 11:33, 26 December 2006 (EST)
Why picking something which would be easier to grasp? I'm fairly confident the system you proposed will do fine; your system lets people judge articles individually, but is still pretty basic. And if we are going to pick articles which could be considered Wowwiki's finest, we should do so carefully. I think we could pull this off. And to address Kirkburn's Christmas concerns; if you guys need a person to 'worry about' the featured articles, I'd be more than happy to become that person...but I'm aware that honour would probably be better off in some admin's hands.IconSmall BloodElf MaleAPส˜LLส˜(ZEUS) 02:52, 27 December 2006 (EST)

To all the users participating to the Burning Crusade Beta Test

Feel free to add yourself to the Category:Expansion Beta Testers. This should help updates on BC content and users wishing to work on this stuff. --Adys 13:22, 25 December 2006 (EST)

That should be Category:Lucky bastards. ;) IconSmall BloodElf MaleAPส˜LLส˜(ZEUS) 04:48, 26 December 2006 (EST)
Being Beta tester does have it's downsides... --Patrigan - Talk 13:15, 26 December 2006 (EST)

Mmm, Navigation Bars

Hey all. Just wanted to make a short announcement... Been a long time coming. But, according to Mikaka, there are now navigation bars for all pre-Burning Crusade zones and subzones! I just want to thank everyone for being supportive of the project, and to those who have helped out, especially Mikaka, who would just go nuts and do lots of pages. I encourage everyone to check out the bars, jump from zone to zone, and really get a feel for how much detail there is in the Warcraft Universe. And, if you feel like other collections of pages should be bound together using a nav, be bold and create one! Again, thanks to everyone and Mikaka. Bar Boy Project a success! --Hobinheim 20:14, 26 December 2006 (EST)

Commercial external links in Wiki articles?

While reading the article about Alterac Valley, I read a recently added section about joining an AV game as a raid. In itself, this could be an exploit, so I clicked the external link at the end of the section to find out more. Turned out I couldn't verify the source, since the link pointed to a commercial website (www.multiplayerstrategies.com or www.mpsgames.com). A subscription is needed to read the content there.

I checked who added the section and when, and found it was user 'Sqren' (link to contributions) on December 25th. I then checked his list of contributions, and found that he has been very active. Randomly clicking some of his contributions revealed that all of his contributions include a link to this commercial website.

I'm adding this to the village pump because I'm irritated by this behaviour, as I feel it doesn't belong on a Wiki. Linking to a commercial website in each and every one of your contributions makes it highly likely that you are the person benefiting from that website.

However, I couldn't really find a policy about commercial content. I did find information on how to flag someone as a Vandal, but I'm not experienced enough with wikis to be confident to do that. Who knows how to proceed with this? You can respond here, or on my user page. Many thanks in advance.

--Grudgebearer 05:55, 27 December 2006 (EST)

To be honest, I'm not sure the policy on linking to commercial sites either, but in the general spirit of "free information" I doubt many here will approve. However I did notice that every one of those links are to the same URL. Looking at "?acode=2028" I got a sneaky suspicion that he's trying to generate affiliate linking revenue for himself. A quick 2 min of detective work proved to we that he was (I signed up for my own affiliate and got a similar link, different number to use). On the other hand, he has posted some useful info from the histories... so I guess we'll be nice and ask him to remove every one of those links. If he won't, ban and revert :) That is unless another admin wants to step up and take harsher actions, that's fine by me. User:Tekkub/Sig 06:36, 27 December 2006 (EST)
Remove the link and put Template:Tlink next to it, if there's no citation for it. That should help get some real citations for the information, if needed. User:Montag/sig 10:57, 27 December 2006 (EST)
Unless the info points to an accurate, important and relevant source about the page it is linked from, I am against such links. The WoWWiki is not for making money or gaining free hits from. :) -- Kirkburn (talk) 11:12, 27 December 2006 (EST)
Thank you very much for dealing with this in such a swift manner! Grudgebearer 12:01, 27 December 2006 (EST)


If the wiki staff want me to remove links to my source, I will indeed do so. I have no intentions on pissing anyone off.
I do need to get an answer on a few things though. If my source was a online newspaper or any other source form the net , that requires a signup fee to use, Will that also being seen as an act of vandalism.
I am seriously trying to post information regarding different articles on this page, and it is by no means my intention to post spam. According to all known rules, its good behaviour to post your source of your information.
All my contributions will be removed within 48 hours.
--Sqren 12:38, 27 December 2006 (EST)sqren

Go Vote!

Just a reminder to everyone to go vote! --Bobson 08:31, 27 December 2006 (EST)

How is Illidan alive? He was killed by Arthas

How is Illidan alive? He was killed by Arthas --Colinstu 18:17, 27 December 2006 (EST)

Queries to the Lore department should be referred to the WoWWiki:Bookkeepers or the specific page involved. --Ragestorm, Head Bookkeeper 18:20, 27 December 2006 (EST)

Permanent or Indefinite?

What's the difference between Category:Permanently Blocked Users and Category:Indefinitely Blocked Users? User:Montag/sig 03:38, 28 December 2006 (EST)

If my translations are good: Permanent = Forever and indefinitely means for unknown time. With other words, the first group can't be unblocked, the other still can... Considering this is just a translation, don't take my word for it! --Patrigan - Talk - SH (EU) 07:39, 28 December 2006 (EST)
Hm... I think thats more a community management and procedure stuff, maybe right restrictions too (eg. only true admins can perma-ban and buerocrats can only indef-ban) - but afaik all banned users can be unbanned for obvious reasons (e.g. the typical "oops") -watchout 09:23, 28 December 2006 (EST)

Top Link Template

Is there a top link template? The one I specifically want is Wikipedia:Template:For. --Voidvector 10:57, 28 December 2006 (EST)

Wikipedia:Template:For uses the parse function (#if), which we do not have. Would be nice... but good luck contacting of Rustak to get them installed... User:Tekkub/Sig 22:42, 28 December 2006 (EST)
Template:If, it looks like we have a working substitute. --Voidvector 09:50, 29 December 2006 (EST)
I just created Template:For, gonna play around with it a bit. --Voidvector 09:50, 29 December 2006 (EST)

Also, did someone host Navigation popups? --Voidvector 11:01, 28 December 2006 (EST)

Legendary two handed axes

Well ya see i am a lv.27 warrior and i use two handedaxes and my freinds told me that no legendary weapon is a two handed axe this warrior i hav i know I can get him to lv.60 in lik a year and i was wondering if it is true that no orange weapons are two handed axes? Please answer with links to the weapon (if it is true)?

--Lilolah 13:37, 28 December 2006 (EST)

Take a look at Category:Legendary Items - no 2H axes listed. But what you use at 27 has very little to do with what you'll use at 60 (you can't even consider using a Polearm at the moment, for instance), and a year is a long time - they may add one by then. Plus, most 60 warriors have at least two, sometimes three sets of weapons, one for each stance (2H for Battle stance, Dual wield for fury, 1H+Shield for Defensive, from what I've seen). --Bobson 14:52, 28 December 2006 (EST)

Comment your changes!

Not for the first time, I just stepped on someone's mass editing because they removed something from a page I happened to be watching without putting in a comment about the change. It's not hard to paste the same "Consolidated on page X" line onto every change, but without that comment, there's no easy way to know why you're doing it. --Bobson 08:36, 29 December 2006 (EST)

Usually I coimment everything, but the changes on my server pages~and user pages... -Patrigan - Talk - SH (EU) 08:48, 29 December 2006 (EST)
Commenting on every change if you are editing a few hundred pages gets very annoying. Jeoh 14:12, 30 December 2006 (EST)
Well yeah, but if it's the same change on each page, and it doesn't involve any copy/pasting, then it's easy to just paste the same line in on each page. If that's not feasible, putting in a comment can be an issue, I'll agree. --Bobson 20:37, 30 December 2006 (EST)
I feel if the diff speaks for itself (small changes), it's not really worth the comment. If it's a big change, or something I feel I need to justify my reasons, I'll comment. User:Tekkub/Sig 23:41, 30 December 2006 (EST)
As long as you're not removing information, then yeah, the diff can speak for itself. If you're removing any significant chunk of information, without replacing it with a link to it's new home, then it still needs to be commented, I think. --Bobson 06:04, 3 January 2007 (EST)

Best Duo

What is the best Alliance Duo (class combination) for pvp, my friend and I want to play pvp together with possible a third person what are the best class combinations and why. Thanks Hayliam

--Hayliam 19:37, 29 December 2006 (EST)

pally + mage. Pally with BoSacrifice can't be crowd controlled. Mage has the best crowd control in the game. Replace pally for priest is fine if the enemy doesn't have sheep. Replace mage with lock is fine too. Locks can't crowd control and blink, but otherwise is better against certain combos. --Voidvector 21:13, 29 December 2006 (EST)

Locks can crowd control better than mages... Fear, Seduce... oO Locks > mages also in damage nowadays and they have SoulLlink if they go for real PvP --Patrigan - Talk - SH (EU) 05:55, 30 December 2006 (EST)

Preferences page style problems

The Preferences Page has some severe visual style problems that make it difficult to use. Backgrounds are white with white text, tabs are poorly styled. It looks like the correct stylesheet isn't being applied here. --Ziana 18:01, 30 December 2006 (EST)

Known, and we're working on sorting it out. For now, select the text to see it :) -- Kirkburn (talk) 18:21, 30 December 2006 (EST)
Sorting it out? We CAN'T fix it, we don't have access to the CSS and Rustak is MIA. User:Tekkub/Sig 23:52, 30 December 2006 (EST)
Perhaps some other(s) should have full administrative access to the server? I saw the delay in updating the logo mentioned elsewhere too. --Ziana 15:30, 1 January 2007 (EST)
It's kind of a cyclical problem, since we'd need Rustak in order to do that, too. Although I certainly agree. User:Montag/sig 15:32, 1 January 2007 (EST)
I don't mean to sound alarmist, but hearing about this just worries me a bit. WoWWiki has developed into a fantastic resource. I'm concerned about issues like are backups being made regularly, is the ISP bill being paid, should there be an attack on the server can anyone respond, etc. The domain name expires in 2010, so that at least isn't an immediate concern. --Ziana 15:40, 1 January 2007 (EST)

Community teams suggestion

Check out WoWWiki talk:Community teams#Rehash.21 please! -- Kirkburn (talk) 18:53, 30 December 2006 (EST)

Template:Screenshot

I was thinking of a new Todo template the other day... Something like Template:Screenshot. "Hey, you know what this article/section needs! A screenshot of the content in question! You can help WoWWiki out by taking a screenshot, converting it to JPG/PNG, uploading it, and including it in the article! See guidelines for taking screenshots for more information." // What do you think? I think... A lot of articles could be improved with a screenshot of an object or an NPC or a sub-zone or whatever. A template or todo tag like this could help us zero in on what articles need help. --Hobinheim 11:37, 31 December 2006 (EST)

Template:Elinksmob and Template:Elinksitem

As a matter of style, shouldn't the L in the word 'Links' be written in lowercase? IconSmall BloodElf MaleAPฮ˜LLฮ˜(ZEUS) 11:42, 31 December 2006 (EST)

Yes, yes it should... --Hobinheim 12:23, 31 December 2006 (EST)
The templates have since been updated. --Hobinheim 12:37, 31 December 2006 (EST)
Template:Elinksquest still has the uppercase L. --Beep2 12:46, 31 December 2006 (EST)
The template has since been updated, and I feel like testing out my new signature. --Hobinheim (talk ยท contr) 12:57, 31 December 2006 (EST)
So do I, but I have nothing to add to the conversation. As ever. -- [[KB|User:Kirkburn/Sig/K]] < [[KB:T|User:Kirkburn/Sig/T]] ยท [[KB:C|User:Kirkburn/Sig/C]] > 15:26, 31 December 2006 (EST)
Thanks for the update guys :) and on a sidenote: happy new year :). Hobinheim, I like the signature, by the way. IconSmall BloodElf MaleAPฮ˜LLฮ˜(ZEUS) 16:11, 31 December 2006 (EST)
Up yours, Apollo! =) Actually, no I do like his sig's colours more, but he got them first, so I can't copy :( Happy New Year! Smiley -- User:Kirkburn/Sig 17:35, 31 December 2006 (EST)
Template:Elinksspell. Just spotted that :P IconSmall BloodElf MaleAPฮ˜LLฮ˜(ZEUS) 06:30, 2 January 2007 (EST)

More templates!

In the spirit of making as much as possible follow the same style, I was wondering if we should turn disambig notices into a template like I did with Template:Tlink.

For example, from the Kel'Thuzad page, there's the following (emphasis added):

For information on how to defeat Kel'Thuzad in World of Warcraft, see Kel'Thuzad (tactics).
Are you looking for Kel'Thuzad's Warcraft III statistics? See Warcraft III Units.

You'll notice that the italicised parts can be interchanged easily. I've seen other formats for these in-page disambigs around, though I don't remember where. If we wanted to standarize them, we could add one of two templates (or both, to give a choice):

  • Template:disambig1
    • ::''For information on {{{1}}}, see [[{{{2}}}]].''
    • {{disambig1|how to defeat Kel'Thuzad in [[World of Warcraft]]|Kel'Thuzad (tactics)}}
  • Template:disambig2
    • ::''Are you looking for {{{1}}}? See [[{{{2}}}]].''
    • {{disambig2|Kel'Thuzad's [[Warcraft III]] statistics|Warcraft III Units}}

They'd be useful on individual pages as well as on real disambiguation pages, but it may be template-overkill. Thoughts? --Bobson 15:57, 31 December 2006 (EST)

I recently made Template:Tlink which is copying Wikipedia:Template:For. I haven't got the time to use it yet. But it is a disambiguation template as you described. --Voidvector 16:42, 31 December 2006 (EST)
Good work! -- User:Kirkburn/Sig 17:38, 31 December 2006 (EST)
Cool! --Bobson 16:21, 1 January 2007 (EST)

I think I drank too much... hic!

Shorry guysh... at leasht I didn't throw up all over the wiki... hic! User:Tekkub/Sig 01:04, 1 January 2007 (EST)

Don't make me set the dogs on you. Off with ye!--Ragestorm (talk ยท contr) 01:11, 1 January 2007 (EST)
Wiikkiiii goooonneee craaaazeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! ...hic! --Tinkerer 06:48, 1 January 2007 (EST)
<Ragestorm (talk ยท contr) sets a number of Felhounds on the useless drunks>

Format For Zones...

I just started to edit here in WoWwiki and noticed that the Quest area's in the Zones had differnt formats Mulgore and Durotar seem to be in a Quest guide type format but Ashenvale (what I've been working on) just has a List of quests. Basically I'm just wondering which way is the standard method I personally just like the Quests to be listed and wouldn't mind a link to a area guide at the top of the Quest list. My Thought is the Guide just makes the Page look to crowded. Anyway.. Just wonder what is the standard format. --Yelmurc 18:08, 1 January 2007 (EST)

I'm probably most at fault for that. I like writing quest guides, mainly because I hate walking around. Sometimes two quests can be done at the same time, and you'd never know that without the aid of a guide. I favor an annotated list versus a straight up list lik the one in Ashenvale, but I realize my format makes it look crowded. I've thought of forking out all my quest guide contributes into seperate pages, especially since they're very POV; maybe you disagree with my play style. I'm completely open to suggestions, leaning towards whatever makes the zone articles look cleaner.--Hobinheim (talk ยท contr) 20:07, 1 January 2007 (EST)

Well Personally I'm not sure if its just me but I do think there is a need for a walkthrough style guide thats easy to find I just don't think it should be on the main page for the Zone. I'd rather just see a List there. But I do think we need walkthrough type guides and I won't have a problem if the Guide is the first link on the quest section. But thats just me.

--Yelmurc 1 January 2007 (EST)

Spelling mistake on front page

There are two spelling mistakes on the front page of WoWwiki.

Shtarted in 2004, WoWWiki.com now hash over 21,002 articlesh.

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--Thrax 20:42, 1 January 2007 (EST)


AGI=1% crit at level 70

How much agi do you need to get 1% crit at level 70? 20 is needed at level 60... --Colinstu 22:49, 1 January 2007 (EST)

Best place to ask would be on the Attributes talk page. Could also be incorporated into the article. User:Montag/sig 20:41, 2 January 2007 (EST)

Swords v Daggers

My character recently obtained the dual wield capability. I can't decide whether to have two swords or a dagger in off-hand and a sword in main.

I have noticed that the amount of DPS done by swords and daggers is roughly the same and this begs the question 'why should I bother with a sword'? Someone once told me that although a sword and a dagger might have exactly the same stat's, the sword will do more damage due to extra bonuses that swords get. Is this true?

P.s. I'm aware that daggers have a greater speed than swords but that's not why I'm asking this question. Fundamentally I'm asking whether swords have a different formula or different bonuses than daggers.

--Cdfreelancer 02:19, 2 January 2007 (EST)

I don't claim to know all the advantages of one over the other, but there's a few I know of off hand, and they're mostly concerned with instant attacks. Since there's very few abilities which give you an instant attack with the off hand (Ability shaman stormstrike [Stormstrike] and Ability rogue shadowstrikes [Mutilate] are the only two I know of), it's less of an issue for the offhand weapon than the main hand.
  • Daggers use a 1.7 speed multiplier for instant attacks, swords use a 2.4
  • Daggers are usually faster for the same DPS, and thus have less base damage for instant attack calculations (conversely, a +damage enchant might help them more)
  • My impression is that swords usually have better stats and/or procs
Anyone else want to chime in? Is there enough material to make a whole page? --Bobson 07:59, 2 January 2007 (EST)
Unless swords use a different formula then surely daggers must be the better choice as they are faster? I've been checking in the auction house and both daggers and swords of a comparable level appear to have roughly the same stats. --Cdfreelancer 21:59, 2 January 2007 (EST)
I think the general rule of thumb is daggers are faster and have more even damage output; swords are slow but hit big so have burstier damage. It may also depend on your class; for example, Rogues have a whole bunch of skills that are dagger-specific. Swords vs daggers is one of the great Rogue debates (though itemization and talents seem to be swinging the pendulum back towards Daggers at the moment) Luci 09:21, 3 January 2007 (EST)
That's always the question - speed vs. damage. A crit from a sword will hurt more than a crit from a dagger, but the dagger will crit more often (more attacks -> more crits). If you have on-crit abilities, like Ability warlock burningembersblue [Flurry] and Spell nature unleashedrage [Unleashed Rage], or on-hit abilites like Spell nature shamanrage [Shamanistic Rage] or Spell shaman unleashweapon wind [Windfury], you may want to go with more hits/crits. If you have instant attack abilities like Spell shaman unleashweapon wind [Windfury] and Ability shaman stormstrike [Stormstrike], you may want a weapon which does more on those hits. I don't think rogues have any on-crit abilities, but their poisons are all on-hit. They have a lot of instant attacks too, including Spell shadow ritualofsacrifice [Sinister Strike]. Best thing to do would probably be to get a fight DPS meter and a sword and a dagger that are roughly equivalent, then go see how it works for you. --Bobson 10:21, 3 January 2007 (EST)
I know a lot of rogues will go swords while leveling up. The reason for this is that there are a lot more good swords out there in the mid levels than daggers. Once rogues hit the cap, they'll often switch to daggers since there are quite a few good high level daggers plus they can use more of their abilities. - ClydeJr 12:17, 3 January 2007 (EST)
Its a big debate among rogues. Swords V.S. Daggers!! From my in game experience, they both have their uses. Swords is DEFFINATLY the better lvling spec, seeing has how you don't get a good dagger move unless you stealth every time, or are behind your target. When I lvl rogues, I don't bother with steathing until 20-22. (Minus sneaking for a quick quest) Daggers is the stronger PvP spec, 2-3k ambush on clothies seems to have a bigger impact rather than a 4sec CS stun. When Raiding, Either is a viable spec, both bring dif things to the table, and both put out huge dmg. Whatever you feel comfortable with at a raiding lvl is the best spec for you. If your happy with your spec, and can remain attentive/have fun during raids, You'll do more dmg than the bored rogue who doesn't want to be there. Thats why guilds requiring classes to spec a certain way is SOO stupid!!!!!(Minus the MT of the guild, sorry bro you MUST be prot)

MediaWiki Markup

Does anyone know of an editor with MediaWiki Markup syntax highlighting? Kate's seems to trip up on some symbols. --Amro 03:59, 2 January 2007 (EST)

Discussion on featured articles

WoWWiki talk:Featured articles. Please share your thoughts.IconSmall BloodElf MaleAPฮ˜LLฮ˜(ZEUS) 06:22, 2 January 2007 (EST)

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Yup, it's changed. Three cheers for Rustak!

See people, this is why the IRC channel rocks! He's back from a holiday and says he'll try and do some other stuff soon. Smiley -- User:Kirkburn/Sig 20:30, 2 January 2007 (EST)

I think getting the CSS wiki pages working is his next priority *grin* User:Tekkub/Sig 21:00, 2 January 2007 (EST)
If he does, consider this temporary category: Category:Pages needing margin removal. Along with maybe Template:Tlink. User:Montag/sig 21:02, 2 January 2007 (EST)

Stub/NPC vs. Stub/Mob

Link to my unanswered stub-policy question: WoWWiki_talk:Policy/Stub#Stub/NPC vs. Stub/Mob. --Beep2 10:12, 3 January 2007 (EST)

What would you like botted?

One day, soon, maybe... I'll be launching a bot to roam unassisted to demote all instances of the first level heading (the one that looks = Like This = ) in articles, as per an earlier discussion we had about the fact that we shouldn't use them. The bot won't touch guild and fan site articles, unless you want it to... Anyway, my question was, did you have any other requests for really, really common tasks you feel you want botted. Don't mention converting honor token templates, that's already on my list. --Hobinheim (talk ยท contr) 16:25, 3 January 2007 (EST)

Double redirects, misspellings, links to Thottbot/Alla/Wowhead when internal links available, category merges. --Voidvector 16:52, 3 January 2007 (EST)
Item/Quest link formating. --Voidvector 17:29, 3 January 2007 (EST)
Auto-correcting Category assignments? Example, if the Weaponpage is a Mace, check is Category Waepons & Maces are tagged? --Dracomage 16:54, 3 January 2007 (EST)
If the Weapon is a mace, is should not be in Category:Weapons since Category:Maces is a subcategory of Weapons. --Adys (talk ยท contr) 19:39, 3 January 2007 (EST)
Aye. it'd be silly to stick items in 1000 categories, just because they fit in all of them. while. a dagger is a weapon as well as a one handed weapon. doesn't mean it should fit go in all 3 of those categories ( as sometimes happens ). User:CrazyJack/Sig 02:52, 4 January 2007 (EST)
If you do demote any = = headers, make sure to check to see if there's any 2nd level (or lower) headers on the page and demote them all equally. Otherwise, it could mess up the TOC boxes. --Bobson 07:11, 5 January 2007 (EST)

Jennala, Elunaia and Hanalee

Can anyone tell me about Jennala, Elunaia and Hanalee? They are relate to the High Elves. The key of three moons is made from them. --0998042 02:17, 4 January 2007 (EST)

Class Quests

I just wanted to know if there is a reason the class pages do not have a link on them to lead you to their class quests.--Yelmurc 11:31, 4 January 2007 (EST)

No reason. Add it if you like. User:Montag/sig 11:40, 4 January 2007 (EST)

Manual of Style

I've put a Manual of Style up for discussion as a proposed guideline. I'd like to emphasize that I'm not suggesting that the content as it is now be adopted; it's just my individual opinions on what makes an article look good. Rather, what exists now can be used as a starting point for community discussion and the development of a style guide through consensus.--Aeleas 15:32, 4 January 2007 (EST)

I love it! Would be greated to have this linked in both the editing help, and maybe right from the edit pages. --Ziana 17:55, 4 January 2007 (EST)

'Special' page beautifying!

You may have notice several mediawiki/special pages getting a bit of a facelift recently. It's me :)

Does anyone have any suggestions for improvements or know of other pages to fix up? Tell me here! -- User:Kirkburn/Sig 15:37, 4 January 2007 (EST)

Subpages Guideline?

Wondering if one of the admins or someone who's been here a while could add some info to WoWWiki:Subpages? Currently in a discussion with someone else regarding the Server:Silver_Hand page, and whether it's better to have content on one main page, or break it into subpages. --Ziana 17:56, 4 January 2007 (EST)

I put my comments on [[Talk:Server:Silver Hand#One page or subpages|Talk:Server:Silver Hand]]. Edit: Going to work on WoWWiki:Subpages sometime in the future. User:Montag/sig 12:29, 5 January 2007 (EST)
I've put a little work into WoWWiki:Subpages, but more is needed :) -- User:Kirkburn/Sig 17:32, 5 January 2007 (EST)

Hunters Mend Pet

How much does +healing gear effect the Hunter spell Mend Pet? I know it does, but haven't been able test it very well. I use my Boar to tank 5 mans, and wanna get my Mend Pet ticking for like 5-600 (I've gotten it up to about 300) User:Fusk/sig16:53, 5 January 2007 (EST)

Unless you are plan to tank in a raid, it is not worth it. I haven't done any research but I can bet with fair certainty that any healer class would be able to have better mana efficiency or time efficiency with their heals than Mend Pet. In addition, you won't be able to shoot while mending pet, in a 5-man group, that would be a huge loss of damage output.
That said, you can calculate how much more heal you are getting from +heal equipments. Remove all equipment, see what is the base heal per tick for Mend Pet. Then put on your equipments, see how much you have improved. Count all the +heal you have from your equipments. Divide the improvement over the +heal you have, and you would get the Mend Pet coefficient. --Voidvector 22:37, 5 January 2007 (EST)

Renaming a page?

I'm rusty, sorry. I managed to categorize Raid/LootRow but realize it should be named "Template:" and I've forgotten how to change page names / don't trust myself to do so without screwing something up. In addition, there may already be an existing template which will serve better, but this is not something in which I'm wildly expert so I thought I'd kick it up to all y'all smart people. The template is used exclusively in Karazhan Loot. Luci 20:40, 5 January 2007 (EST)

Use a redirect? I did that w/ some of my T4 pages. --Colinstu 01:35, 6 January 2007 (EST)
Would that work with included templates? I assumed not, but then again what do I know. Luci 02:30, 6 January 2007 (EST)
I did manage to move Thorm Skywatcher to User:TheMonkeyKing/Thorm Skywatcher, citing the WW:NAME policy, so I have at least figured that one out. Templates are... just not something I'm comfortable with slinging around as easily. Luci 03:18, 6 January 2007 (EST)