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Mountain path

There appears to be a path through the mountains north-east of silvermoon, leading from the north sea coast right up to a section of the walls of the city. Seems awefully random, perhaps for future content?....who knows....its now up to you lot to speculate over for several paragraphs. :) --Nurizeko

Could be for the Sunwell Plateau? Kirkburn talk contr 21:19, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Character view

Newbie question. My character is now looking down and I can't see what is in front of me. How do you change the character's view? Thanks for your help. --Dbair 15:17, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Left mouse button. Press and hold and move the mouse. Move into a desired position and release! You can also use right mouse, but you will turn your character with your view. Left just turns the view.

You can also use the Home-End keys I believe. --DanielCD 12:59, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I think the camera angle also depends upon your chosen Interface Options (hit the Escape key to bring up the menu). I have also typed "/console reloadui" (without the quotes) to get out of what either was a buggy/stuck camera angle or was a problem with the thing between my keyboard and my chair. --Hot Rats 11:18, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Sometimes, when "/console reloadui" doesn't help, "/console gxrestart" will. // DarkRyder /  /  // 20:24, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Change from Aldor to Scryer?

I did the quest "City of Light" (quest given by Kahdgar, npc in middle of Shattrath), and after that, clicked by mistake the quest "Allegiance with Aldor"... I haven't farmed any reputation or do any quests to the Aldor... Can I be a Scryer??? How???? Please help me!!!--Tsuruchi Hiro 01:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC) Hi!

Try killing Aldor in Shadowmoon vally?--SWM2448 01:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Killing the Aldor in Shadowmoon valley is the only option???—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tsuruchi Hiro (talk · contr).

If the Scryers in Shat are already unfriendly, making it impossible to do rep turn-ins, then it is all I can think of.--SWM2448 01:18, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, Ty... I Will try it... Im at level 62, what is the level u recommend for it? 70?? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tsuruchi Hiro (talk · contr).

Since you accidentally signed up with the Aldor, you probably can't kill them (they should be friendly to you). What you need to do is go talk to Arcanist Adyria and get the quest  [65] Voren'thal's Visions from her. She's in the Lower City on the north side. You'll need to turn in 8 [Dampscale Basilisk Eye] to her. That will raise your Scyer rep by 250 (and lower Aldor by 275). After you turn in the first set, you can then do the repeatable quest  [65] More Basilisk Eyes which is the same quest (8 eyes for 250 rep). The basilisks in Terokkar Forest drop the eyes and range from level 62-64. It'll probably take about 16 turn-ins to get to neutral. Note that you can find the eyes on the Auction House so if you don't want to farm basilisk and got the cash, that might be a better alternative.

Once you reach neutral with the Scryers, you should be able to go back to Khadgar and pick the Allegiance to the Scryers quest. - Clyde_Jr - tal_k - contri_b 15:11, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Another note, for crafters who want patterns from both factions you can switch from one side to the other doing theis same method. I switched from Scryer exalted to Aldor and am now exalted with them. Took, iirc, 1370 [Dreadfang Venom Sac]. Mucke - Blame^me 20:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank u SOOOOOO much!!!

Macro Problems

I am not new to WoW nor am I new to programming, but i am new to making macros for WoW. I use a macro for my ranged attacks (I'm a MM specced hunter). The code is as follows:

/click PetActionButton1
/castsequence Auto Shot, Aimed Shot(Rank 6), Serpent Sting(Rank 7), Arcane Shot(Rank 6), Multi-Shot(Rank 4)

What I want to know is how can I get it to cycle through the rest after I'm one killing something i.e. go back to clicking the macro to make it cast auto shot. I frequently end up on me finishing a fight and starting a new one where I cast multi shot or sepent sting. Or how can I get it op cycle past one. Like if I were fighting two enemies, I wouldn't want to cast multi shot.

Try this

/click PetAttack

/cast Auto Shot

/castsequence reset=6/combat Aimed Shot(Rank 6), Serpent Sting(Rank 7), Arcane Shot(Rank 6), Multi-Shot(Rank 4)

Where the 6 is the refresh time on your Aimed shot --TranquilRage 10:39, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Combat may not be a good reset if the hunter uses FD (which he damn well better). target may be a better choice TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 17:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Also, I can't seem to figure out how to degig this following macro.

/cast Feed Pet
/use 1 13
/cast  Mend Pet(Rank 5)

How can I get it to where every time i press the macro, it casts feed pet with that certain item AND heal my pet?

Thank you all very much. Gathorlo 00:24, 8 June 2007 (UTC) - Korialstasz Realm

You cannot cast more than one thing at a time, so it's either heal or feed, not both. TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 07:11, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Try this

/cast [button:1] Feed Pet

/use [button:1] 1 13

/cast [button:2] Mend Pet(Rank 5)

Left mouse button Feeds, right mouse button Mends --TranquilRage 10:39, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much. That worked. Gathorlo 19:08, 8 June 2007 (UTC) - Korialstrasz Realm

EDIT: actually the macro for my ranged attacks doesnt work at all now. The error comes up and says the following:

Date: 2007-06-08 18:07:16 ID: 51 Error occured in: Global Count: 1 Message: ..\FrameXML\ChatFrame.lua line 1691:

  attempt to index local 'button' (a function value)

Debug:

  [C]: ?
  ..\FrameXML\ChatFrame.lua:1691: value()
  ..\FrameXML\ChatFrame.lua:3382: ChatEdit_ParseText()
  ..\FrameXML\ChatFrame.lua:3092: ChatEdit_SendText()
  ..\FrameXML\ChatFrame.lua:2344:
     ..\FrameXML\ChatFrame.lua:2338
  [C]: UseAction()
  ..\FrameXML\SecureTemplates.lua:218: SecureActionButton_OnClick()
  ..\FrameXML\ActionButton.lua:36: ActionButtonUp()
  [string "ACTIONBUTTON4"]:4:
     [string "ACTIONBUTTON4"]:1

I excluded the part that lists my addons. Thanks Gathorlo 22:03, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Leftover Quest Items

(I am new to WoWWiki, so apologies if this belongs somewhere else...)

There are quite a few quests that provide us with items to carry, and then fail to remove the items when the quest is over. I would like to see a page that lists these items and the quests they come from, so it is easy to look them up when it is suspected an item has become obsolete. Thank you.

--Telvanni 15:52, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Item pages already exist. It might be a good idea to just add notes to item pages as you discover they don't go away. TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 17:24, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

But that wasn't really an answer to his question Tek. This is easily solved by creating a category for it, it doesn't exist yet though. Might be a good idea for someone to look those things up and add them. // Patrigan | ^Talk/ _Contr \\ 08:04, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree, we need a junk quest items page. On a side note I hate your signature Patrigan, it is horrid to see when editting a page. SharlinTalk / Did 09:41, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

So would this be a single article or a category like Category:Junk Quest Items or Category:Leftover Quest Items? --Fandyllic (talk · contr)11:38 AM PDT 9 July 2007

Game master

How can i be a game master? --—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kapteeni40 (talk · contr).

You need to apply for a job at Blizzard. --GRYPHON^tc 15:34, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

They have HQs in Austin and San Franciso I think, you may want to check around there.

See the official site. news item on 8/30 says they are interviewing in Austin at GDC coming up. Also there is the jobs page for other times. --Dga 16:02, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Hunter's armor

Ok i know that this a real noob question ..But here it comes..i have a hunter and am a lil confused between Hit rating, critical strike and attack power on my gear. So could someone give me an idea what is best as a hunter? PLZ --Myhunter 18:05, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

All of the above. Hit rating boosts your chance to hit, crit increases chance of getting a crit (double damage hit), AP increases your damage. TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 18:41, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Focus on Agility, then Stamina. When gemming later armor sets stick with +Agility items SharlinTalk / Did 09:04, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually AP will benefit you more than agility. Agility is great but if you are looking at 2 items, one with 10 agi and the other with 20 AP you will get more raw damage from the AP. So for hunter the stat hierarchy (as far as damage is concerned) is AP-> agi-> crit-> hit. That said, don't neglect stam. It's not as important for Hunters but for raiding or heroics having plenty of HP for random bolts and aoe helps tons. --Mucke->Blame^me 06:13, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid this isn't true for all hunters. It depends a lot on your talent build. Especially the talents that either give you +10% AP (marksmanship) or +15% agility (survival) make a big impact on which stat is best for you. Rougly when looking at items you can say that 2 AP equals 1 agility equals 1 crit rating. So it depends on your build if you should go for agility and crit rating, or go for attack power.

As for hit rating, try to aim for +7% hit chance.... once you got that, more won't help much against avoiding any more misses.

-- Dyna18 10:56, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Racial wowwiki descriptions and the Origin of the Races

After reading the wowwiki lore pages, I noticed that very little of the speculation or opinionated statements were actually in line with the official descriptions of the races. I was a bit surprised because Chris Metzen wrote those description I was told at BlizzCon 2005 and they are used as the framework for the lore and culture of each race expressed in the game, the books and (I presume) that will be expressed in the films. If you read each of the descriptions, the personality trait and general psychology frame of the culture that is stated in those description are adhered to almost to the letter, the dwarves are portrayed as stoic, the forsaken vengeful, the Blood Elves focused on more magical energy & reaching their beloved Prince.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/races/index.html

One that particularly caught my attention was the interesting origin of the races article, no mention was made there for e.g. that Night Elves were the first to awaken in the warcraft universe, which is the official statement on the race, and while the possible origin from Trolls is an interesting read, the theory is given more attention than the more likely one of that race originating from Elune. If I didn't know more of WoW lore I'd be convinced that Night Elves came from Trolls after reading that article. May I request that the at least the official descriptions of the races be presented, or in the case of that particular race, a lovely flow-chart diagram showing the Origin from Elune & Cenarius should also be presented with regards to the Night Elves, that way it doesn't seem the speculation holds more weight or detracts from the official description but is regarded for what it is intended to be, an interesting rumour.

Also maybe mention things like the Trolls having the first known empire in WoW doesn't mean that they were the first race, that's like saying because the Sumerians had the first known empire in the world, that they were the first race of man, or saying that the Romans were the first nation becaause they had the biggest empire that covered the world. I myself have often speculated how Blizzard would write the earlier histories of the races, Trolls, Dwarves, Elves, Tauren are the ancient races of warcraft, the official lore says the Elves were the first to awaken, but then we do have the Trolls build the first Empire, were the Elves by nature preservationists?, keepers of nature like Cenarius, perfectionists, with their gaze starwards but not at the expense of abandoning the natural world? We are told that they are intrinsically linked with the well of eternity, and their lore has them originating from it in the heart of the world, but we know they arose to conquer the Trolls, how and why though?

Was it because they were completely disgusted by the increasingly savage, cruel rituals of sacrifice and cannabalism that the trolls had sunk to in their quest for more powers that kickstarted the Elves into doing something about it? Or did the Trolls start attacking the them because they grew jealous of the Elves because of their beauty, or art/architecture or their wealth or civilization? Was there some previous serious grieviance or a petty one that sparked the conflict? Did the Qiraji play a part in it even though this precedes the war of the Sands Or was it when the Elves started manipulating the energies of the well they grew more ambitious begining to be seduced by the power they started to learn to wield? Well the Well of Eternity has always been a part of them, but that doesn't mean they had always known how to manipulate it, or alternatively using it may have come natural, but it wasn't until Azshara and her sect of highbourne rose to power did the really impressive stuff begin, was it that impressive stuff that attracted the trolls and led to the confrontation? or did the deeper use of the well by Azshara and her sorcerors, make them more ambitious or was it Azshara's dislike for perfection that caused it or an earlier monarch...

Lots of interesting speculation arises enough by adhering to the official facts about the race, and it would be nice to see some of them in the articles about that race and some of the other races, but at the moment, the speculation is too heavy on the rumour.

--Springer07 21:09, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Wow... That is the most intellegent thing I have ever read by a new person. You are asking for there to be more rumors in the race pages?--SWM2448 00:16, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

The request is for the race page descriptions to be more in line with the official statement of the races, origin of the races document was particularly highlighted because speculation contrarty to the official statement seemed more prominent than speculation in line with the official statement, I am merely asking that speculation in line with official statement should be given more credence and went ahead to do a bit of speculation myself...i'd like for e.g. to see a nice flow chart diagram showing night elf connection with Elune & Cenarius alongside the one showing a possible origin from Trolls, so its a bit more balanced. Then I'd like to see the other racial descriptions more accurately portray or embody the heart of their official racial statement. Anyway, I must say all the wowwiki documents are very well written. Good job guys. By the way, plausible speculation is fun to read (Springer07 08:02, 14 June 2007 (UTC))

If there is another theory that needs to go on a page, add it.--SWM2448 20:25, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with Sandwichman (SWM), that if you think something should be added, you should add it. I will start off the changes you suggest from what I've read, but you should edit it to fit what you want. See Origin of the Races#Elf and Troll Origins --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 1:25 PM PDT 9 July 2007

If anything it makes the content more interesting when speculating! =)  It^sNuur^sFault^talk&contr 21:22, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Game photos

I want to put some pictures from the game into WOWWIKI but I haven't learned how can I take a photo. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kapteeni40 (talk · contr).

If you press the "Print Screen" button on your keyboard, it will create a .JPG in the Screenshots folder in your World of Warcraft directory (if you are using Windows). You will have to find a way to crop this image in an image editing program like Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro, however, before uploading to the Wiki. Review WoWWiki:Image_guidelines for more details on how images should look before being uploaded. -- TUSVA ~ T | C 13:47, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Also, keep in mind that a screenshot will capture your UI in addition to everything else unless you hide it first (Alt+Z). Putts 23:05, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

If you're only going to resize screenshots you're probably better off with a lightweight program like irfanview. Use the heavier programs if you want to apply all sorts of effects etc. Bonez0r 01:08, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

On a Mac, you should be able to use Cmd-Shift-3 (or Apple-Shift-3) to take a screenshot and it should appear on your desktop. You may want to open and re-save it as JPG or PNG in Preview, though. I forget what the default format is, but I think it's PDF. --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 1:05 PM PDT 23 July 2007

Travelling with pets

Yep, another noob question (aren't they all?), sorry: I've travelled by hippogryph exactly once, twice if the return trip counts separately, and since then have tamed an elder nightsaber which has become indispensable to me. I now have a quest requiring me to leave the island again. Will my cat automatically come with me if I travel by hippogryph? And if not, same question for other modes of transportation? Thanks

--Austinlwyman4 12:04, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

All tamed pets will disappear when you ride on a taxi such as the hippogryph, and then will reappear when you land. Worry not, your pet is safe and can only be lost if you manually decide to abandon him or not feed him routinely! -- TUSVA ~ T | C 13:48, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Pets now also temporarily disappear when you mount your personal mount, and reappear when you dismount. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally regarded as a bad move. --Azaram 03:31, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, as a warlock, I really appreciate this change. With ground mounts it doesn't matter so much, but on a flying mount, what are you supposed to about your demon running along below you aggroing everything? Automatic dismissal and reappearance means no lost soul shards every time I want to fly. --Darlezi 20:50, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Why would people get upset about their pets disappearing and reappearing when mounting/dismounting? Its seems like that would be a good thing for the pet owner. Or is it the victims that are upset? I could see that it would be annoying to have a hunter fly over you (how often are you looking up?), dismount, send the pet in while falling, and then start plonking away when you land. - Clyde_Jr - tal_k - contri_b 15:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Although I love how my pet is automatically summoned and dismissed, I have observed some minor annoyances. I doubt these are making people "very angry," however, since I'm seeing a lot more supporters instead. The first relates to hunters attempting to Feed Pet or Mend Pet. Before the change, I can Feed Pet, mount up and ride to my next destination, say a farming spot, and by the time I reach that farming spot, maybe the effects of Feed Pet will have finished and I can send my pet into battle right away. With the change, the pet will be dismissed, and although it will still have the Feed Pet effect, the effect won't actually be ticking while I am mounted, so when I reach my destination and dismount, I will have to wait for the Feed Pet to finish before I can send my pet in. The same applies to Mend Pet. Secondly, and please note I do not play a warlock, if a warlock has an Imp active with Blood Pact, is at full health, then mounts and loses the effect of Blood Pact (since the Imp will be dismissed), upon dismount the warlock will not be at full health when (s)he regains Blood Pact (when the Imp is re-summoned). Thirdly, I prefer the look of my pet active running alongside my mount because I have a Winterspring Frostsaber mount and a Winterspring Frostsaber pet, and they look so sweet together. ^_^ DaAznSaN 17:57, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

If you doubt that it made a lot of people mad, you ought to look at the forums. I like having the pet I chose running alongside me... and as a hunter, I lose the benefit of spirit link, so if I mount and ride while hurt, I don't heal much. I can understand doing it for flying mounts, but it's nothing but irritating to lose it while riding.

My warlock, when she outdistanced her pet while walking, would get a 'free' soul shard back, so she wasn't losing anything. She isn't high enough level to have a mount, but I'm pretty sure there weren't any lost soul shards involved in that, either, like when taking a taxi... --Azaram 08:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps this is something that Blizzard could create a toggle for. You could set the toggle on/off for pets despawning when you get on a personal mount. That way you're pet would stay active for buffs/feed pet/whatever. I imagine you would leave it alone for taxis since you will also outdistance the pet on one of those - Clyde_Jr - tal_k - contri_b 16:03, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I believe they started working on the pets and mounts issue just before the release of the Expansion. The returned soul shard was an attempt to make flight fairer for Warlocks. One small exploit developed because of this: Warlocks could use the Abyss Shard to summon their voidwalker and then take a flight; a soul shard was created and returned to the Warlock even though one hadn't technically been used before. (Not a spectacular exploit, but probably not what the game developers intended.) That is not possible now that the pets disappear instead of being dismissed.--Erisio 23:22, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

The whole "vanishing pets" was a response to the issue of warlock pets getting desummoned whilst the warlock was on a flying transport of any description. Since lock pets take 10 secs to summon, on PVP servers, if the warlock wanted to fly into a combat-heavy zone they would be petless and at a disadvantage for the summoning time. This did not affect hunters since Summon Pet is instant.

the servers

Ok this is going to be a long story. Me and a few friends used to play FFXI, but ulitmatly got bored of it and decided to switch to WOW. after all of us downloaded the free trials we decided we would meet up in the american server of "arygos". well 10 days have gone past and i like the game and i went out and bought my self a copy... only thing i have not told you yet is that im the only one of those friends who lives in england... everyone else lives in america. and now its telling me i can only accses EU servers. Is there anyway i can get a charecter onto an american server even if i have the EU copy of the game?

--Harrypottersalterego 07:56, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

The game client you use is the same no matter what region you live in. However! They come with different "realmlist.wtf" (Warcraft Text File) files which point it to specific sets of servers. (US or EU, essentially.) To play on the American servers, follow these simple steps:

1. Open your World of Warcraft folder. (Typically "C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\")

2. Open the file named "realmlist.wtf" in Notepad, WordPad, or any standard text-editing program. The contents of your file should look like this:

set realmlist eu.logon.worldofwarcraft.com

3. Change the above to look like this:

set realmlist us.logon.worldofwarcraft.com

4. Save the file and close it. You are now ready to log in to the US servers (provided you have a US account).

Bear something in mind, HPAE. I'm not sure if the Euro codes for registering an account work on the US servers. Either way, if you used your code to register a Euro account, you can't use that code again. You'll also need to use the US site to manage your US account. These accounts -- Euro and US -- are on two seperate servers under two different company subsidiaries (Blizzard Euro and Blizzard US). Sorry to sound like a jerk, but I just want to make sure you understand this in whole. Accounts cannot be transferred from one region of servers to another.

And in case anyone's curious...no. It is not against any policies of any kind to play on the Euro servers if you're playing in the US or the US servers if you're playing in Europe. There is no way to exploit this and really...you're just lagging yourself (generally slightly). Blizzard prefers you play on the closest server, but they don't outright care either way. The proof of this is not one "foreign" account holder has been penalized for playing "out of their terrotiry".

Hope this helps! ~ Doc Lithius (U)(T)(C) 17:02, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Burning Crusade Slim/Full Download

I'm just curious as to what the difference is for each of these downloads. Why is one of them smaller then the other in file size wise. Thanks --Cldmani 14:44, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

If you're talking about like the small 1.5, 2.0MB, etc. thats usually Blizzard fixing in-game errors, now the big ones like the latest one, are adding onto the game or making a big change in the game..If you mean something else then, I don't know.Thehollow 15:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

well, the full download of burning crusade is 2.04 gb while the slim download is only 1.18 gb. I just wanna know the difference in the two.

Leatherworking Bag?

Alright. Dumb question here, but I need to know... Is there some kind of bag made exclusively to hold leather, threads, and your skinning knife? Or even just leather? I've been told one such bag exists in Expansion01, but there's no info on this object here or anywhere I've checked... ~ Doc Lithius (U)(T)(C) 17:11, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Well I am no expert, thats why i go on database sites..I'm not thinking there is such a bag, because they would surely broadcast the new "thing".Thehollow 04:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

There isn't. There is also no Cloth bag. Aleandar 06:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Battlegroup Merge: Cataclysm and Frenzy

Just a heads-up for those of you unaware... The battlegroups of Cataclysm and Frenzy are merging after this next maintainence downtime (scheduled for Tuesday, June 18th). More information can be found here. ~ Doc Lithius (U)(T)(C) 19:07, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I've added the new merged Battlegroup template, Retaliation and updated all the pages that were using them. I didn't have time to update the Battlegroup pages and the pages linked to them though. I'll get to that later in the week if no one else does first. --Roach 03:46, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Auto Dismounting causing issues.

Ok, I have a question about the "Autodismount" but I'm not sure it belongs here..

I'm currently developing the "Outfitter" addon, I monitor the if a toon is mounted or not.

My issue is that if a player casts an instant spell when mounted I get the "Unit_Spell_Sent", "Unit_Spell_Start", "Unit_Spell_Succeeded" event's. But if I try to change my Trinket based on this I get a "Cannot do that during Combat" error, if I check for "InCombat" (Using the PlayerFrame.InCombat or watching for the "Unit_Regen_Disabled" event or even doing the InCombatLockDown() ect.) all return that I'm currenrtly NOT in combat.

Is there a call/event mising? or is there another call that I can use to test for combat?

I've searched the site and I'm running out of ideas.

Cheers

--Zanoroy 04:18, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Well CTMOD has the same problem, if your involuntarily dismounted it will not recognize the vent. The reason that that is a problem is that ctmod has options to block pet bars while mounted. Best of luck SharlinTalk / Did 10:05, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Fresh Install

Okay here is the question. Gonna install a fresh one. Which patch to install after installing WoW + TBC?

Step 1) Install WoW (the box is the new edition, the one from the discount) Step 2) Install TBC Step 3) Which patches now? 1.12 then 2.1.0 full? or 2.1.0 full directly?

Thanks! --Gangren 10:42, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Latest patch is 2.1.2, so plan the shortest patch path accordingly. TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 15:37, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Use a patch mirror, filefront is a good one. But I did not think you had to install original WOW first. SharlinTalk / Did 16:23, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Try installing BC without having installed WoW, if that works without problems, let your game automatically download the patch(es) it needs. If you see a patch(1) to patch(2) where patch(2) is before the current patch, then you are, indeed, better off downloading the patch from gamershell.com or filefront. --Warscout

Dota

What items should you get in early game and late game? Also, what heroes should you get in ap? I really don't want to be called a noob. = (

Thx!

--Darigaaz the Igniter 00:00, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

All of your questions can be answered here http://www.dota-allstars.com/

And for future reference, this site is for World of Warcraft, not Warcraft 3. --Ithar 00:05, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Wrong! It is for any and all Warcrafts, with a focus on WoW. --Sky (t · c · w) 07:14, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Silver portrait ring on reputation cap

I once came across a lvl 60 player who had a silver ring round his character portrait.... like the rare spawn monsters but without the dragon wings.

I asked how he came to have this and he said he had capped reputation with Undercity, Orgrimmar, Thunder Bluff and The Dark Spear Trolls

I am now lvl 70, exalted (and have capped the extra 1000 reputation points beyond this) for all 4 cities and Silvermoon but have no silver dragon ring round my character portrait.

Can anyone tell me what else I need to do please?

Many thanks

--Zorch 20:29, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

No idea, never seen this myself -- Dyna18 11:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Doomkin or Tree?

WElll i have been moonkin for a while now, decent gear bout 700 damage,... i was wondering on some advice if its worth being it when i rlly cant get many upgrades in my leather gear and people in groups and raids are idiots and dont let me take cloth damage stuff... should i just go resto ? --Thelugster 02:35, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Look at it this way, do you want to be a healer? If that is not your primary wish then switching trees isn't going to improve the game for you, it certainly won't make groups more likely to let you have cloth items.

I have found quite a bit of good +damage items in TBC that fit the druid well. You might investigate the leather working patters available for leather workers only as a source of end game gear. Some of the epic level equipment from them is very nice. SharlinTalk / Did 09:07, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

You need to download the add on which allows u to put an elite ring around your portrait i think there r three u can choose from the gold 1 the silver and a custon 1 and i also think if u twinked with it a bit u wud be able to make u own personal 1 but im not sure there

ycnt u spll ot wrds?

Still not the right question. try again

Is a demonology warlock a good match 4 any speciality paladin

--Tweakzy 12:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC) My mate who is a lvl 70 paladin said of of the only classes that has ever come close to beating him was a demonology warlock do you reckon this is true? I know that they dont have good armour but they can get good health i seen a lvl 70 warlock who had over 15,00 health. The reason im asking this is becuz the first character i made was an orc warlock im now lvl 43 and my speciality is demonology but after i get my felguard im goin to put the rest of me tp's in destruction because you get an awsum spell called shadowburn which has heaps of trainable ranks and its an instant spell sure u need a soul shard but considerin all the soul bags u get u usually have tons of them at use. So what does every1 reckon about my question about "is a demonology warlock a good match against a pali. Every1 feel free to answer i dun really care wat u say i just want other peoples opinions about it neways im off cya

First off your friend is just bragging. Paladins, regardless of spec, are still bound by the fact that person behind the character determines most of the outcome. Unless one spec is just so suited to undo spec the match should come down a little luck and who uses their cooldowns the best.

As far as a demonology warlock being a good match, well your pet isn't your most fearsome weapon. For the most part, to plate users, pets are an annoyance. If they concentrate on killing your pet first you probably will win. SharlinTalk / Did 15:45, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

u've got a good point there but by puttin ur tp ins demonology u also get good health not just good pets so by puttin ur points in there u'll last loga which wud make u a good match right?

soz this is 4 the other question 4 the other post above this

Model viewer.

Someone refered the site to me but how do I download it?--SWM2448 21:09, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

There are a lot of clicks to get to the download. Downloads from menu >> WoW Model Viewer >> WoW Model Viewer 0.5.09 >> Download. --GRYPHON^tc 21:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. :) --SWM2448 22:22, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

+hit rating - how much is needed, where's the cap

I tried to read myself through wowwiki and different forums, but I can't find a particular part of information:

How much +hit is good for my feral cat, where is the cap?

I know that depends on level differences between me and the opponent (PvE mostly) and +feral combat gear.

Nearly anything of the following considerations can be wrong, as I'm not very sure of the formulas.

I'm putting in the sources of these information. (external links because I posted this in alt.games.warcraft, too)

http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Critical_hit_chance
To hit can only be used to counter the base chance to miss (5% for one-hand users without any off-hand weapon, 9% for two-handers and 24% for dualwielders)

I think I heard somewhere that feral cats are "one-handed" (even when carrying 2h staves) (Can't find the source)

So I assume against a mob of the same level I have a standard 5% chance to miss.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Weapon_Skill
Chance to Hit
A player's chance to miss in PVE is also greatly affected by difference in mobs' defense and the player's attack rating.
If the monster's defense is 1 to 10 points greater than your weapon skill, you suffer 0.1% chance to miss per point.
If the difference is more than 10, the penalty is doubled to 0.2% per point

So, talking about a "standard" lvl73 mob as found in most instances (supposed defense rating 365).

I read the above as "penalty is doubled" for all points, not just the ones above 10 difference.

So: The chance to miss (5%) is affected by ( 365-350 ) * 0.2% = 3.0% more misses.

Should be 8% total.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Combat_Ratings_System
+15.8 Hit Rating = +1% hit chance at 70.

So 8% would mean you need 124 +hit rating.

The maximum level seen is iirc 75 - so 375 def, meaning 5% more misses, meaning +158 hit.

With Feral Combat Gear: http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Weapon_Skill
It takes [..] 3.9 points of Weapon Skill Rating at level 70, to increase your actual Weapon Skill by 1.

So, when equipped with Clefthoof Hide Leggings (+18, Quest "Showdown") you get additions +4 Weapon Skill.
That gives you 365 - (350+4) = 11 difference. Doh, still *0.2.

11 * 0.2% = 1.5% meaning you need +103 hit.

Let's grind exalted with Cenarion and Lower City: Adding Earthwarden (+24) and Shapeshifter's Signet (+20) with the +18 Leggings give additional 15 Def rating.

Leaving the Lvl73 mob at "our" level with 5% standard miss, so +79hit gear is needed.

There are also some gloves from a Netherstorm quest (Flesh Handler's Gauntlets), but there are much better gloves when looking to http://www.gurgleblaster.net/emmerald/Cat_Sustained_DPS/Hands.html, so I'll leave that +18 fcs out.

And the Shattrath Leggins give +22, meaning you can get +16 Def instead of +15, coming to +77 hit gear.
As the Clefthoof Hide Leggings give +17 hit rating, I'd take those, having the extra +4 feral combat cause 15 less +hit rating :)

http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Critical_hit_chance
To hit can only be used to counter the base chance to miss (5% for one-hand users without any off-hand weapon, 9% for two-handers and 24% for dualwielders)

ONLY... Strange word in the quoted text above...
Does this mean I need a maximum of +79 hit rating (without +feral combat), as I can't counter increased chance to miss?...

Seems unlikely to me.

Conclusion:

For PvE (with mobs up to lvl73), you need:

• +79 hit (with the 3 +feral combat items)
• +124 hit rating (without the +feral combat items)

• +158 hit rating would be a cap against lvl75 mobs (without items)

So, does this seem right? Did I take a wrong way somewhere? What do you suspect?

--Dieck 09:46, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Impressive. I have seen the 8% number bandied about a lot on the forums regarding the percentage increase needed to hit level 73s SharlinTalk / Did 10:43, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

HAP, AEP, and Tank points

Does anyone have the point based conversion values for all classes (other than the straight values) Rating comes close, but it varies per class, Formulas:Item Values comes close, but it still varies based on talent spec obviously. AEP Works fair enough for rogues, HAP works ok for hunters. but is there a similar system for warrior tanks / druids / mages / priests?  - CJ talk / cont  12:07, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I'd like this too, if someone comes up with it... --Azaram 10:05, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Reusable quest items

hey, i recently heard of Dartol's Rod of Transformation and went out and got it in like 30min. I was just wondering if there are any other quest items like this that have a use that can be used anywhere and that have unlimited charges. they can either be like the rod where you can turn it in for quest or when you finish a quest, or just a quest reward. this does not mean trinkets or other equippable gear with a use.

Bluuh, Commander of the Band of the Red Hand (Muradin)

There are a few other items I have seen like they turn you into a freaking ugly ogre, or a bat or such. But I have no idea at this moment how people acquire of these items. *heheheh what evil can i do tonight in this raid turn the main tank into a chicken!?!?* lol. got a little carried off there, But i think it might be an event item or collector edition item, or maybe even a quest that I've been dieing to find. Just ask around your cities and you'll find the answer.

Windjungj talk / contr 08:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

The bat one was a Hallow's End wand, most likely. They were originally permanent, but now time out after a week or two (I forget). A shame, they were fun... --Azaram 08:09, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

The Enchanted Moonstalker Cloak from Quest:A Lost Master, can be used once. Abandon the quest, take the quest again collect the mats and get another cloak. A lot more trouble than Dartol's rod but it is stealth for a bit. --Dga 16:26, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

The Gordok Ogre Suit is a tailoring or leatherworking pattern which lasts for 10 minutes once you use it, then it disintegrates and you have to make a new one. It is Dire Maul north and needs a material from inside to make one suit. An NPC in the instance can also make the suit, if you give him basically double mats. --Dga 16:26, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Had to do one more. Noggenfogger Elixir from Quest:The Thirsty Goblin. Once you do his quest chain, he sells the Elixirs to you anytime you want some. --Dga 16:28, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Spore Bat Appreciation Day

Okay, so... I was wandering around my favorite NSFW anthropomorphic animal art gallery earlier and it's come to my attention that it's Spore Bat Appreciation Day. At least over there it is. Does anyone know what on earth this is all about and if it's a worldwide thing, or just localized to this art site? I didn't see anything in the Official WoW Forums or on the site, so I'm guessing that this art site is just doing a random spore bat appreciation day...but I figured I'd ask here. If it's not something celebrated everywhere, might I suggest we start it as a new trend? (Despite the fact spore bats are [bleep] useless as pets, I mean.)

P.S.: Yes. Yes I am. "Am what?" If you didn't ask, this doesn't apply to you.  ;3 ~ Doc Lithius (U)(T)(C) 09:31, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Sure, sporebats are fine.--SWM2448 14:50, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Lol, maybe they have a day for every animal haha. but I think it is just their holiday =x W i n d j u n g j talk / contr 07:40, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Someone likes furaffinity. Damn furries. TeжubԎ Ҩ Ѡ 19:01, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Best WoW weapon

What I want to know is what the BEST weapon in all of WoW is. It's not really going to be an outright decision but more of an opinion. Once all DPS, stats, eqips, uses, etc. are taken into account, what is the best one? Really any weapon given will do, but if there is a list of some sort of each best weapon of each kind (i.e. the best dagger, the best 1H sword) then that woudl be appreciated. I really want to know becasue my fellow guildioes and I are always arguing which is the best: going into AtlasLoot and findign soemthing 1337 and someone topping it and then inspecting awesome palyers and linking them. I want this argument to be resolved. Thanks Gathorlo 05:10, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Martin Thunder. --Azaram 10:07, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I want to be able to get it dude .That's stupid tgart you would just post some GM weapon. Post something that I could actually obtain after getting kyed or working for days and days at getting. Gathorlo 15:04, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Not my fault you asked an incoherent question. You asked 'best weapon'. One that instantly kills everything within 30 yards is best to me... --Azaram 03:51, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

azaram you shouldn't mind him =/ he is just probably another person in this game that takes things too seriously... don't take it personally lol. (What if players could actually get that item?) W i n d j u n g j talk / contr 06:02, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't take it personally. Thought it was funny. Heh. Would be nice, it'd be funny as hell to wipe out a 40 man turtle in AV and listen to them scream. --Azaram 02:02, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Well it would depend on what kind of weapon you want and such. Like do you want to call an item leet cause it has good bonuses or its DPS? And what kind of weapon cause as we all know not all classes can use all weapons =/ And what level are you that would be able to determine IF we could get it or not heh W i n d j u n g j talk / contr 03:03, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

How about this, Warglaive of Azzinoth and Warglaive of Azzinoth (off hand)
 ∙ Zurr  Talk ∙ Contr 10:13, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

You expect a person like that to farm for something like that xD, id do it if i had TBC and it was out xd W i n d j u n g j talk / contr 06:02, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm a hunter, level 68. That one from Black Temple is awesome but our guild can't even get any of the Auchenai instances done on heroic, so I doubt we will ever get into Black Temple. Gathorlo 18:48, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

What kind of weapon are you looking for hmm? (1hSword/2hSword/FistWeapon/1hAxe/2hAxe/Stave etc.,.) Windjungj talk / contr 01:34, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

My only skills that are up to par are 1H axes, 1H swords, dagers, guns, and bows. Not that I couldn't go to the tram and kill rats for an hour and get a bunch of skil lthat way :) You coudl always look at my character on the armory too. My username is here is the same as my in-game main cahracter's name. Gathorlo 03:04, 6 July 2007 (UTC) , Korialstasz realm

Your best weapons typically depend on Specialization and ability to obtain. Pick up a Valanos' Longbow (20g on my server) until you get enough rep for the Thrallmar Exalted Bow. Other options are the guns that drop in Shadow Lab and Steam Vaults or the Bow from Black Morass. Again, the Bow from Thrallmar and loot from Karazhan surpass these.

Melee - For Survival spec get Terokk's Quill and get 35 Agility on it. For the other Specs get the Blackened Spear (Thrallmar Revered) or grind Shadow Lab until you get the Sonic Spear from Murmur.

The farther you progress in end-game content the better the weapons you will be able to get. By the time you get the best in the game now, it will no longer be the best in the game. Continual improvement should be what you're looking for.

Finding and listing drops for Alliance isn't worth my time.

FOR THE HORDE!!!!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Darthbreetai (talk · contr).

Your last 2 statements were kind of stupid. Finding and listing drops for alliance? There was only two weapons you mentioned that alliance can't get, and they are from Thrallmar and Alliance has their equivalent weapons from Honor Hold. The statement for the horde shows you to be immature to bring faction quarrels outside the game, guess what, your neighbor plays alliance, are you going to egg his house?
 ∙ Zurr  Talk ∙ Contr 21:25, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

The best item in game, according to calculating the item points is....... Devastation (weapon)

See the list at Thottbot.

-- Dyna18 11:12, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Someone needs to update the entry for [Devastation (weapon)], since it is a pretty poor entry. I added some info and stubbed it. --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4:29 PM PDT 17 August 2007

coordinates

ok i cant get my map coords on to WOW i got it on my docks page i downloaded it all but still i cant use /tloc whats goin on any suggestions? --Hellomoto28 23:24, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

It sounds like you downloaded the thottbot addon with you saying /tloc. First for you to be able to use we would need to know what operating system you are using. If it's OSX then just go to your applications folder, open world of warcraft, open interface, open addons, and drag the file you downloaded onto the addons folder. Log on and there should be a button at the bottom left corner of the screen that says addons. Click and make sure its an up-to-date version. Then click Enter World. Coords should work. Gathorlo 02:52, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

PS. I like Cartographer a lot better than thottbot. Thottbot seemed to take up to much memory and I lagged more. Just a suggestion. Gathorlo 02:53, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

My version of Cosmos uses /mntloc now. Not sure why they changed it, but you might try that. --Pcj (T•C) 03:32, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

My Linux Is messing my wow up

Hello there, I need some facts about linux, and what can i do to make my wow as smooth as when i had windoes, but i kinda run wow on a wierd way, its a pogram opening a pogram, Hope some of you guys know any to this. --Mazi 08:49, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Check out the Linux article? Kirkburn talk contr 16:06, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I run windows virtually on a SLED foundation. There are also crossover softwares that you can look into. That way I don't have .exe issues.  It^sNuur^sFault^talk&contr 21:27, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Aldor reputation

Besides marks of serargas, where can you farm Aldor reputation?

--Tfria 22:57, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

There are quite some quests in Netherstorm, can't think of any other way  Flotsam | ( talk | contr )  12:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

There are the two types of Marks, Fel Armaments, and the Aldor specific quests in Netherstorm and Shadowmoom Valley. Once you finish with all the quests, you're stuck with item turn-ins. - Clyde_Jr - tal_k - contri_b 19:11, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Fire Mage Abuse 2

I am still fairly new to WoW and have selected to play as a mage and a warrior. I have read the comments on ice mages and fire mages, I must say that the comments are most interesting. I, for one am a fire and use arcane spells and until recently did select to become a fire mage. What made me change my mind was the dps of the fire mage and the abilities of the arcane talent tree. I am only 10/33/0 right now as a mage but have found that the combination of Arcane spells as well as those of the fire tree are most effective. Have I found it difficult to play as a mage compared to a Warrior, oh yes, but it has been alot of fun and it has shown fellow guild members that Mages are not as useless as they think we are!!! In addition being the ONLY mage in my guild gives me an advantage and that is SURPRISE!!! Mages, I have heard, are not as effective as other classes but I truly feel that they are one of the best Races to play! So for all the naesayers, respect your fellow mages and you will be surprised as to what we can do! I dont think that it really matters whether you decide to select to play as a fire mage or an ice mage its all about how u want to play and fell most comfortable! Thanks --Staker 18:09, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Everybody has an opinion. Some people think druids are useless. I personally don't. As you say, play what makes you happy. You're paying for the game, and you're better off playing something that makes you happy than something that makes you miserable. Although I don't think I've ever seen anyone say mages are useless... they're one of the better crowd control classes, and although it takes them a while to recover after doing big bada boom, when they hit something it stays hit pretty well. --Azaram 01:46, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I have yet to have a group turn down my mage when she needs a group. That cannot be said for my other characters. How a mage cannot be effective is a mystery to me. My first 70 was a hunter; my second a mage. I have 3 high 60s in other classes. So far the mage has ripped through content that gave each of the other classes pause. The thing that people forget is that versus humanoids/beasts mages can manage two super easily and even 3 with a bit of dancing. Getting beat on is what happens and I will gladly burn hits to get a job done. It does freak out a few non-mage playing players to see me let my mage tank a few hits, they always expect a blink or frost nova. What they fail to realize is the sheer DPS mages can put up, especially a fully developed fire mage. So many ways to break mobs, Blast Waveand Dragon's Breath allow stops mobs from attacking for a few seconds. Nova's and Ice Lance give incredible damage and CC.

Look at it this way, in every Instance Mages are there to put the mobs down. Melees are there to control aggro and keep mobs busy, healers are there to keep the Melees alive, and DPS classes put them down, the primary DPS class is the mage. There are situations where you need a Warlock but those also usually involve 10+ man raids. Hunters can do fill in provided the group knows how to work with one and the hunter is good. Half the time I play the mage I think I am playing WOW on easy-mode SharlinTalk / Did 09:13, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Some of the abuse mages take is their inability to temper their aggro and getting killed during tough fights. I went to Old Hillsbrad with my druid as a main heal (paladin as secondary) with a very experienced fire mage (he had done Kara a few times), but even he pulled too much aggro from our main tank a couple of times and wiped the group. It may be that some people have had a too many bad experiences with mages in PuGs, so they might turn you down. Otherwise, anyone who thinks mages (of any type) aren't useful is just ignorant. --Fandyllic (talk · contr) 1:17 PM PDT 23 July 2007

Camping whats up with it?

On the Auchindoun server which is where I play why is it that the horde guys are all ways camping you. Ok I don’t mine getting axed now an