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== New novel announced ==

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See [[Tides of Darkness]]. Please fill out more info, I've started it off :) {{User:Kirkburn/Sig}} 13:25, 10 February 2007 (EST)

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: Oh, and whilst I'm here, I think we need to create [[:Category:Maps]], and categorise all maps on the wiki onto it for easy maintenance. {{User:Kirkburn/Sig}} 14:25, 10 February 2007 (EST)

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:: That would certainly make things easier to locate. {{User:Eberktor/Sig}} 23:20, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

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== Visible but unreachable places ==

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Just wondering - is there an article on WoWWiki that lists noteworthy places that can be seen but are not reachable in gameplay? This would most notably include unreachable places visible from flight paths but may include places visible by other means. If there isn't one, would there be any interest in starting one? --[[User:Mwalimu|Mwalimu]] 21:34, 16 February 2007 (EST)

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:I have been thinking of starting a similar article myself. However, mine would be more a list of all places reachable by Flying mount, where access is better left impossible, for now. However such an article would be rather cool aswell. ==[[User:Patrigan|'''Patrigan''']]-[[User_talk:Patrigan|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Patrigan|Contr]]-[[Server:Shattered_Hand_Europe|''SH (EU)'']] 04:28, 17 February 2007 (EST)

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::"better left impossible"? If you can fly there, you can get there. I can't think of a time when a flying mount can't get somewhere in Outland. :S --{{User:Zeal/Sig}} 05:10, 17 February 2007 (EST)

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:::Flying mounts can't swim :P --[[User:Psyker7|Psyker7]] 07:03, 17 February 2007 (EST)

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::::And being that there's not much water in Outland, and where there is, there is no inaccessable places, it's not an issue :p --{{User:Zeal/Sig}} 07:14, 17 February 2007 (EST)

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::Patrigan: [[Places_To_Go_By_Flying]] (And it badly needs to be renamed). --{{User:Adys/Sig}} 05:17, 17 February 2007 (EST)

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::There are some places in the outlands that you can not fly over. Try going out to the black temple and try flying over the temple. There is an invisible wall around the temple that is actually curved out from the temple so the higher you go the farther back from the temple you will be pushed. -- {{User:Dparvin/Sig}} 09:00 AM 23 April 2007 (MDT)

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:There isn't a list afaik. I'm hoping you're not looking for guides or something of how to get to place you're not meant to, even though they're not exactly exploits, they aren't allowed by Blizzard, and thus that probably goes for here too. But sure, make up a list. --{{User:Zeal/Sig}} 05:10, 17 February 2007 (EST)

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Who ever suggested we were talking about Burning Crusade? I wasn't for sure... I was thinking about a list of places in AZeroth. Places like the east Tirisfall, where currently nothing, but a flat plains can be seen. Mwalimu most probably referred to places like the Dwarves vs the Dragon near Searing Gorge. The Dancing Trolls between Darkshore and Moonglade. Hyjal itself even (but that one ain't seeable from flightpaths. Simply every part of Azeroth which needs to be redone qo that we can have the dream come true of one day being able to use flying mounts in Azeroth. (Reading Comprehension my friends, not everyone is about Outlands these days :p) ==[[User:Patrigan|'''Patrigan''']]-[[User_talk:Patrigan|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Patrigan|Contr]]-[[Server:Shattered_Hand_Europe|''SH (EU)'']] 11:12, 17 February 2007 (EST)

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:Yes, Azeroth for sure - My highest char is a mid-level who isn't powerful enough yet to explore many areas of Azeroth, much less Outlands or most of the instances. So there are a lot of flights paths I don't know yet, some I haven't used, and of the interesting looking places I've seen from the air I haven't tried to reach many of them and don't know if it's possible or not. As such, I'd suggest the format of the list allow for corrections in case a thought-to-be-unreachable place turns out to be reachable after all.

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:There are a couple of buildings and farmland terraces visible between Menethil Harbor and Ironforge that look unreachable. The seas outside the Deeprun Tram would qualify for the list. And there are a couple of areas visible on the approach to Stonetalon Peak that I couldn't find any way to get to, at least not directly from Stonetalon Peak. I can't rule out the possibility of an alternate exit from the Talon Den, or an obscure approach from Desolace or the sea, but I suspect those areas are unreachable. --[[User:Mwalimu|Mwalimu]] 11:38, 17 February 2007 (EST)

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::I dare confirm they are unreachable. Checked w/ the wowmapview. The areas you see when travelling Auberdine-Theramore(and related ones) in Stonetalon are unreachable and "cave exits" are only decorative. Maybe to encourage players to search a secret, or a backdoors to give access to theese zones later. Currently the westernmost Stonetalon hasn't got any heightmap. [[User:ElfElunaAlina|ElfElunaAlina]] 21:15, 3 March 2007 (EST) The area seen en route to Stonetalon from Menethil is reachable from Stonetalon; however apon finding the one crag in the mountains that is climbable, you will learn that it is a glitch. There is nothing in the waterfall, orc hut, or stone structure. The only way out is via teleport or a jump into the ocean followed by a very very long swim until you reach a mountable shoreline. Some mysteries are best left mysteries.

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:How about make your comments clearer rather than insulting my ability to read which is fine pat? ¬_¬ Either way, i rfer you to what i said to Mwalimu, and also add that these things are '''not''' what is stopping flying mount use in Azeroth. Just make sure you're not disccuing how to get to these places, merely that they exist and where.

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:On a site note.. seriouslly.. will people learn to indent comments properly.. >_< --{{User:Zeal/Sig}} 13:15, 17 February 2007 (EST)

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:: Maybe when people learn to capitalize the word "I"? ^^ {{User:Tekkub/Sig}} 16:56, 17 February 2007 (EST)

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:::That'll happen the day someone gives me a justified reason to, 'till then i'm sticking with the English language being crap. >_> --{{User:Zeal/Sig}} 03:39, 18 February 2007 (EST)

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:::: Sorry Zeal, never wanted to sound insulting :p Ofcourse I would also never discuss how to reach those places (I can say that I have '''seen''' them thanks to a shaman ability >.>) I'm working on this list, so that I might get Blizzard to actually fix those zones and allow flying mounts in Azeroth. There's 2 fixes needed for that: 1. Currently unreachable places: be it FP Favor places, or just unfinished zones (this involves both places like Hyjal and places like west of Tirisfal) 2. Hardness bugs: Can't really find the right word, but the fact that some things allow you to fall through a roof (everyone has seen the Noggaholic movie where they fell through the roof to Thrall I presume?) It'll be hell of a work for blizz to fix that, but if they know what to fix, then perhaps... ==[[User:Patrigan|'''Patrigan''']]-[[User_talk:Patrigan|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Patrigan|Contr]]-[[Server:Shattered_Hand_Europe|''SH (EU)'']] 04:23, 18 February 2007 (EST)

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:::: Engrish is a load of taurencrap, yes, but I for one prefer to not look like a stupid american :P {{User:Tekkub/Sig}} 09:48, 18 February 2007 (EST)

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There's categories for these types of places (at least the kind that show up on the maps): [[:Category:Closed_Zones]]. I don't think there's a list of the various small things you fly over (like the tent on the Stormwind->Ironforge flight path). --[[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 23:50, 17 February 2007 (EST)

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:I didn't know about that category until just now, and I'd say it qualifies for what I had in mind, or at least close enough that it's not worth the trouble to create the list as I had originally suggested. Thanks for pointing that out. --[[User:Mwalimu|Mwalimu]] 01:03, 18 February 2007 (EST)

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Blizz has already stated that the reason there won't be flying mounts in Azeroth is because they would have to totally rescript and remap the WHOLE area, not just those small areas you see but can't get to.

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--[[User:Shik|Shik]] 00:52, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

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:I find that not true to be quite honest, because as you might, or might not know, flieng mounts acctualy just "swim" trough air. the only point is that they would need to set flight bounds, and "close up" holes in the ground at the places they didn't pay any atension to.

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:AKA blizzard thinks we are idiots. [[User:Yenea Whindlebolt|Yenea Whindlebolt]] 13:39, 20 April 2007 (EDT)

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== Violet Eye rings ==

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Can we get a page describing the Violet Eye rings and listing their upgrade stages? There is very little info besides Thottbot searches, and I'm not qualified to write this page. --[[User:Davidc|Davidc]] 16:06, 18 February 2007 (EST)

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:Everyone is qualified to write pages ;) I've added all the ring info, hope I didn't use the wrong tooltip template. {{User:Jeoh/Signature}}

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::I meant I didn't have the knowledge and thott was rather unclear at the time :) Looks great, thanks! --[[User:Davidc|Davidc]] 13:43, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

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== tier 4 ==

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--[[User:Rocketboy|Rocketboy]] 16:29, 20 February 2007 (EST)

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From the info i have received i understand that there are two different warrior sets: Battle, and Protection. What I'm Wondering is if you can have both? I'm somewhat confused how to achieve the battleset. Is it done by pvp or token turn in from boss drops?

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:For some classes, there are multiple [[Tier 4]] sets. Warriors do have two sets: Warbringer Armor which is a tanking set and Warbringer Battlegear which is a DPS set. The pieces are obtained by turning in tokens that drop in [[Karazhan]], [[Gruul's Lair]], and (possibly) [[Magtheridon's Lair]]. You can have pieces from both sets, although each set has its own specific set bonuses. - [[User:ClydeJr|ClydeJr]] 18:08, 20 February 2007 (EST)

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== Seeing completed old quests ==

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Is there a macro or addon that shows which quests were already completed by a character (i.e. not in the quest log but that had been completed a while back)? Seems this should be possible since we get a message on other players when we have completed a quest. Couldn't a server request be written that brings back that information?

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--[[User:Mikenowo|Mikenowo]] 10:34, 23 February 2007 (EST)

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:I'm afraid without an addon tracking all the quests you do, there isnt a way to get that infomation from the default UI, it's all kept hidden in blizzard's servers. --[[User:Kaso|Kaso]] 09:27, 17 March 2007 (EDT)

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== Fade in at login time ==

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I notice that since installing the expansion I now have a 2 second or so 'fade in' of the login fields at wow login time when before they appeared right away. I've checked my config.wtf settings but don't see anything that would cause this (compared with an old config.wtf I had). Any ideas how to disable this annoying fade in? Also is there anywhere that explains all the entries in the config.wtf file (I found a page here that show most of the possible entries but not what they all mean). --[[User:Mikenowo|Mikenowo]] 10:49, 23 February 2007 (EST)

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: It's a keylogger scan that runs before letting your account and password fields appear, during the BC beta there was still a message for it but since the release it appears as a fade in. --{{User:Adys/Sig}} 11:08, 23 February 2007 (EST)

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== /who GM ==

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From [[GM Island]]

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* During February and March 2007, players who perform a <code>/who GM</code> search will receive a list of GMs with {{title|GM}} tags and GMs on the GM Island.''Confirmed to still work after patch 2.0.8''

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I have just tried to do this with v2.0.8.6403 (EU - enGB), and all I get is a list of players with '''gm''' in their name.

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What is the source of this? Can anyone confirm it to work?

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--[[User:Stijnherreman|Stijnherreman]] 12:31, 24 February 2007 (EST)

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:I tried it in 2.0.7, didn't work then either. --{{User:Zeal/Sig}} 12:35, 24 February 2007 (EST)

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:I tried it the night before the Patch of Druid Beating, and it worked, showing one person (a level 1 paladin) on GM island. Not sure what the point is, but it did it. It also showed about 10 other people, all with 'gm' in their name. --[[User:Azaram|Azaram]] 03:34, 7 March 2007 (EST)

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:This worked for me today, <GM>Zrythos, level 60 warlock on GM island... Obviously it will only work if there are any online at the time. --[[User:Psyker7|Psyker7]] 02:12, 10 March 2007 (EST)

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== List of alt chars ==

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Is there an addon that allows you to get a list of all alts for a given main character (i.e. if you give one character name it will list all the other char names associated to that char on the persons id)

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--[[User:Mikenowo|Mikenowo]] 09:12, 25 February 2007 (EST)

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: Addons do not have access to that information from the game. Some exist that let you manually define what alt belongs to which person. However, this isn't the place for this stuff, please use the [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11114&sid=1 Blizzard forum] or one of the addon sites. {{User:Tekkub/Sig}} 11:44, 25 February 2007 (EST)

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== are leatherworking items soulbound? ==

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i am concidering making my feral/healer druid a leatherworker so i can mail stuff to my rogue. who is a herbologist/ skinner because when i learn poisons it will be cool not having to buy herbs for my poisons.

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i was going to make my druid's other proffesion alchemy (as i have my rogue farming herbs and leather.) the only problem i can see is if the leatherworking items are soulbound, could someone tell me if they are.

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i looked all over the leatherworker page but it didn 't say. can i have some help?

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: The mass majority of crafted equipment are not Bind on Pickup, so they do not bind the moment you make them. However, some items require a certain crafting skill to use, especially engineering items. The simple answer to your question is yes, you can do what you want, for the most part. {{User:Tekkub/Sig}} 11:32, 25 February 2007 (EST)

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:: It's true that the general products of crafting skills are not BOP, the key exception to this is craft specializations, in the case of leatherworking, into Tribal, elemental and dragonscale leatherworking. All recipes learnt from the specialization are BOP and thus you should take the one best suited to your crafter. [[User:Jalben|Jalben]] 01:32, 27 February 2007 (EST)

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::: [http://www.wowhead.com/?spells=11.165.10656 *cough*] Not everthing there is BoP... {{User:Tekkub/Sig}} 02:08, 27 February 2007 (EST)

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::::That page is slightly misleading. Things like Dragonscale Gauntlets and Blue Dragonscale Leggings no longer require the crafter to have the Dragonscale specialty. Any leathercrafter with high enough skill can learn them now. They really shouldn't be on Wowhead's Dragonscale page anymore. The only items that require the specialty to make are now BoP so only the crafter can wear them. It's the same with the blacksmithing specialties. Therefore you should pick your specialty based on what your character can use. If you're planning on having a feral/healing druid learn leatherworking, you're best choices are either Elemental Leatherworking for the {{loot|epic|Primal Intent}} set (Feral) or the Tribal Leatherworking for the {{loot|epic|Windhawk Armor}} set (Healing).- [[User:ClydeJr|ClydeJr]] 17:44, 28 February 2007 (EST)

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== Easy cash ==

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In wow one of the easiest ways to make cash for levels 24-29 is the wetlands. I have created a guide on how to make lots of money. Here it is(If you find anything unsatisfactory tell me) :

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If you are in menethil harbor exit. then go straight forward. follow the path. if you take a right farther forward you should see mottled raptors. start grinding here. not only will you get lots of xp you will also collect raptor tooths and raptor eggs. When you have about 20-40 teeth and 10-30 eggs go to ironforge.

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here sell the teeth to a vendor and the eggs at the auction house. If you had 40 teeth and 30 eggs you could have earned up to 1.5 gold. Repeat this process 6-40 times a week. after about one week you should have

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earned 9-60.

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--[[User:Strongugly|Strongugly]] 15:20, 2 March 2007 (EST)

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:: I get my easy cash in outlands. --[[User:Colinstu|Colinstu]] 16:02, 2 March 2007 (EST)

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:: OP formatting edited for clarity.--'''[[User:Hobinheim|Hobinheim]]''' ([[User talk:Hobinheim|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Hobinheim|contr]]) 17:35, 2 March 2007 (EST)

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:: 60g in a week? That is not exactly what I consider "Easy Cash". My recommendation is to spend your week leveling, go to the outlands and earn 60g in twenty minutes.

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:::The idea behind this idea is really a good one, though. Collect all those grey items, and sell them. Collect all those white items you have no use for, and sell them. I've often grouped with people who just looted the quest items, money, and green+ items, and left the rest for me to collect - and they can bring in a lot more money... --[[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 16:55, 6 March 2007 (EST)

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'''GOLD AND WOMEN WILL FLOCK TO YOU LIKE THE SALMON OF CAPISTRANO IF YOU READ THIS''' i used to pass on all the gray items. always seemed a waste of time. ive learned the error of my ways, though, especially human crafted grays, generally 1.5g and up. stacks of elemental mob gray items, for example, go for 2.5 a stack or so. ive made over 7.5K g since TBC came out (a quantifiable #, reg flyer 900, epic flyer 5000, epic for my alt 900, 100 for alts lvl 40, 100 for a friends level 40, and the 500 or so i have in bank now. it helped that i had my full R14 pvp set (*buffs fingernails* earned pre server, i might add) so i was able to DE just about ever quest reward. mat prices are insane. and i farmed several characters worth of scryer exalted rep items. also as a level 70, i can pretty much run straight to incendius, kill him and run out and reset without aggroing a single mob. thats 5 large brilliant shards per hour (instance cap is 5 per hour). thats 10g minimum pershard. ive done 20 runs in a day several times. and pre TBC, i would go to winterspring and farm eye of shadow, i would get about 3 every 2 days, quick 75-200 each, starting out around 200 and sliding down the closer it got to being obsolete. soooooo....long story longer, discard nothing, sell everything. {{unsigned|Eleganza}}

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:/me climbs the Wall of Text and meows from the top. :-D Basically, I follow an old adventure game's philosophy; 'Crime pays, take ''everything'' '. If you can pick it up and have bag space, take it. If you find something better, toss the cheapest thing. Sell everything when you get back to town and bam, free money. Farming is incredibly boring, but I've made a couple of grand just by selling everything that isn't nailed down. There are mods that will help with this; Autoprofit lets you sell everything grey at a vendor with one click, and Itemized Deductions will automatically tell you what's cheapest to drop. --[[User:Azaram|Azaram]] 22:42, 3 April 2007 (EDT)

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At lvl 33-36 there is a Croskilisk pit near the path that goes over the mountains between The Shimmering flats(thousand needles)and Tanaris... those mobs are worth about 7s average per kill, and if your rested give around 400+ exp (200+ not rested) and if you have skinning you can make some serious gold off of them. If greens drop you can easily double your profits

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if you are level 70 and want money, dont quest, dont farm primals, instead, do this. Go to the caverns of time in tanaris and into the black morass (note, you have to have completed caverns of time: escape from durnholde keep to have access). Dont take a group with you and dont bother starting the event. Just kill the spiders. Each one has an almost 50% chance to drop a netherweb spider silk which is used in tailoring. On my server these sell around 10g each on the auction house but i have heard that on some servers they sell for up to 35g each.

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== 29 twink ==

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I was wondering if any of you had any good talent trees or armor/weapons or trinkets that would help in BG. Im currently in balance and was wondering if i should change to restoration. I am aiming for the trinket that dispells fear stun and charm. the BG's are taking a long time so I was asking for a new way for BG. plz reply. thx

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--[[User:Bobston|Bobston]] 20:33, 5 March 2007 (EST)

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: This page is for discussion of wiki-related issues, you should direct your question at a forum specific to your question, like the Blizzard [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?sid=1&forumId=11117 PvP] or [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?sid=1&forumId=10015 Druid] forums. {{User:Tekkub/Sig}} 21:05, 5 March 2007 (EST)

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::*http://www.wow-loot.com/

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::*http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/battlegrounds/

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::--[[User:Eleganza|Eleganza]] 09:33, 3 April 2007 (EDT)

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== profession ==

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I am a paladin at lv 5. I really dont know what professions to choose. can u help?--[[User:Joejose 1993|Joejose 1993]] 23:11, 7 March 2007 (EST)

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:You might try asking (or looking for an answer) at the [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11116&sid=1 WoW Professions Forums] or the [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=10018&sid=1 WoW Paladin Forums]. :)--[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] 23:28, 7 March 2007 (EST)

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:: I'll give you a tip. Herbalism and Alchemy. Unless you just want to toss money away as your learning to play. Alchemy gives you lots of useful buffs as you go up in level, the best being Nature Protection potions. The tradeskills of leather crafting, jewelcrafting, engineer, and armorsmith, are all very expensive to raise. [[User:Sharlin|Sharlin]]

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::This is not the place to ask/answer such questions, but I have to disagree with Sharlin. Take two gathering skills. Skinning/Herbalism or Skinning/Mining is the easiest. The money you make will greatly outweigh anything you can get from any crafting skill until you get to at least level 50. --[[User:Mlucero|Mlucero]] 10:59, 8 March 2007 (EST)

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== Striker's Garb ==

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I was browsing the site when I noticed that the AQ set "Striker's Garb" for hunters was missing that note that it has "Equip:Increases attack power by ##". I don't know how to change this so can someone help me? Or possibly do it for me? It would be nice to have that up with the correct info. :P

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--[[User:Gleathos|Gleathos]] 15:57, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

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:If I remember correctly, a bunch of epic items were buffed around that time. Looking at Allakazam's historical versions of the [[Striker's Diadem]] shows an [http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?entryid=677425 old version] on Oct 28 2006, and [http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?entryid=688428 the current version] which appeared on Nov 2 2006. The item gained 59 armor, lost 9 agility, and gained the 38 AP buff. Its just something that will need to be updated.

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:I updated [[Striker's Diadem]] to use the new tooltip and you can see the new stats are automatically included on the [[Striker's Garb]] set page. If you are feeling adventerous, use that as a pattern to update the rest of the set. - [[User:ClydeJr|ClydeJr]] 18:24, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

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::I would be more than willing to help out with changing the rest of the set, but I lack the knowledge.--[[User:Gleathos|Gleathos]]

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:::Gleathos, try using [[Boilerplate:Item]]. If you need to, create a "Sandbox" at [[User:Gleathos/Sandbox]] to play around with it and get familiar with editing. Let us know how it goes! :).--[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] 16:43, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

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== Direct Damage? ==

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I noticed that DD ([[Direct Damage]]) is used to describe a wide variety of spells...

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I've been used to refering to spells that have a delivery time as 'bolts', whereas spells that instantly damage the target as 'DD' spells.

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so, [[Death Coil]] would be an Instant Bolt, [[Frostbolt]] would be a Bolt, [[Smite]] a DD, and [[Earth Shock]] would be an Instant DD.

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I dunno if anyone else have used DD this way, but i'm fairly certain it was lingua franca in DAoC.

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--[[User:Poposhka|Poposhka]] 19:39, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

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: Well generally spell are [[Damage over time]], [[Channeled]] or [[Direct Damage]]... with some hybrids like [[Moonfire]] {{User:Tekkub/Sig}} 20:03, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

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:: I think Bolt is the wrong word, although I would say it raises some ambiguity about Ranged Direct Damage and standard Direct Damage, since Ranged Direct Damage will only apply when that spell eventually reaches the target. I've now managed to confused myself :) {{User:Kiltek/Sig}} 04:36, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

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::: You're confusing yourself because you're trying to describe the whole spell mechanic in one descriptor... lets simplify shall we?

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::: There are of course all different combinations of these types... some channeled spells are ranged (Arcane Missles) and some are instant (Volley and other AoEs) The real point of the damage types isn't really to describe the mechanics of how the spell gets to the target, but rather it's effect after it has been cast. I don't think most players are going to care if their cast is a "bolt" that must travel, because it's always going to do this once it's cast. Unless the mob dies after the spell has cast there's nothing to worry about, and you couldn't cancel the spell at that point anyway. {{User:Tekkub/Sig}} 06:48, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

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:::: I have to disagree. "Direct" refers to spell targeting. It's either '''direct''ed at one specific enemy or an area effect. Damage type would be "instant"/"burst" I don't really have an english word for it now, or over time and channeled is an additional attribute, since in theory (though none usable by players) a spell could have a casttime and be channeled and be a dot, but also have no casttime be channeled and deal all the damage at once... though you may call the latter "charging" or somewhat. Maybe we should create a page with spell attributes... -[[User:Watchout|watchout]] 08:26, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

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::::: I think Tekkub is right here. I'd say "direct damage" and "damage over time" simply refers to their mechanic. If you examine spells on thottbot, DD spells use "School Damage (X)", whereas DoTs use "periodic damage". Of course there are also mixtures available. Immolate is one of those, being a direct damage AND a damage over time spell. Mind Control and Eye of Kilrogg are exceptions as well, consisting of a cast time AND a channeling time. So far, on the wiki it is not mentioned whether its an instant or a bolt spell, I'd like to add that. Spell targeting would be "Single Target" or "Area of Effect". --[[User:Bfx|bfx]] 07:05, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

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:::::: Just to mention that IMO "Next Melee" should also go under the "Casting Time" category.. --[[User:FireFly|FireFly]] 15:05, 2 April 2007 (EDT)

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Just to toss another spoon in the pot, the druid [[maim]] says "Finishing move that causes damage and incapacitates the target. Any directly damaging attack will revive the target." Which means to me 'bleed effects do not break it, but any attack that does damage will break the stun'. You can [[rip]] and/or [[rake]] then [[maim]], the bleeds tick and they stay stunned, but if you get behind and throw [[shred]], they wake up right away. So I read 'direct damage' as 'damage right away' as opposed to 'damage over time'. A DD shot like freshly applied moonfire wakes them, a DD shot like wrath wakes them, a DD attack like [[mangle]] wakes them, but the previously ticking moonfire or bleed effect does not. I believe that's what they mean by the difference. --[[User:Azaram|Azaram]] 06:03, 17 March 2007 (EDT)

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:When playing on my shaman I've noticed the grounding totem only seems to work on spells that travel, like fireball or shadowbolt, but does not seem to stop smite, mindflay, or other instant attacks. So

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there may be a difference between the spell types.

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::Mindflay is a Channeled spell. So that isn't supposed to work on a GT. However, Smite is. I know for a fact that Fire Blast works against GTs. :)--{{User:Sky2042/Sig}} 17:49, 2 April 2007 (EDT)

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==Smelting?==

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Does Smelting give mining training? [[User:CthulhuRlyeh|CthulhuRlyeh]] 19:46, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

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:Yes, although usually by the time you start mining iron, your mining skill has gotten so high that the smelting skill is now grey and won't give any skillups. - [[User:ClydeJr|ClydeJr]] 22:03, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

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== Level 70 guide? ==

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--[[User:Rhaleon|Rhaleon]] 22:03, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

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I was just wondering if I am missing a link here or if anyone knew a url for a 70 guide. I thus far have gotten keyed for kara...

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was wondering.. what should I focus my energy on now? most people are unresponsive in game and its frustrating as hell. I need to know what stuff I need to do to be able to access any/all gameplay for 70s. please help

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:Check out http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/bcattunement/ --{{User:Psyker7/Sig}} 06:11, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

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== Zeppelins don't come to the Undercity Tower! ==

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Hi, I have a problem with the game.I waited so long in zeppelin tower in front of the Undercity but non came! I went to Booty bay, at first there was a ship to bring me to Ratchet and i went there, but when for the second time i went to Booty bay the problem with the zeppelins happened and there was no ship for long time and no portal to darnasus either! please help me, what should I do?

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--[[User:Ace85|Ace85]] 14:59, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

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:Page a GM in game through the help console. --[[User:Jellisii|Jellisii]] 22:46, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

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::Define waiting for a long time... because sometimes when you're waiting for the zepp it can seem like you're there forever. Especially if it left right before you got there and you didn't see it... [[User:Shik|Shik]] 19:33, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

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== Model changing ==

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Blizzard's EULA says I can't edit their game files, but what if I'm doing it for looks? I'm not doing this to move walls, or make nodes bigger, just change what a weapon looks like to another... is this safe? And how do they figure it out anyway? If I'm going to get banned, I'm copying back the backup file asap. I just changed it w/ a hex program. I just want my weapons look more cool >:( --[[User:Colinstu|Colinstu]] 00:40, 26 March 2007 (EDT)

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:Blizzard says don't change their files for any reason. They already have the Warden program that checks what else is running. They might have other things that check filesizes, date changed, checksums, other stuff. Just don't do it. - [[User:ClydeJr|ClydeJr]] 01:01, 26 March 2007 (EDT)

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:: this was bothering me and chnaged it back... lol --[[User:Colinstu|Colinstu]] 01:26, 26 March 2007 (EDT) PS, two thunderfurys did look sweet :P

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:Confirmed, Blizzard noted a long time ago that model changing for any reason is not allowed. It started to get out of hand where Addon Authors were releasing packages that allowed, in some ways, to change the environment. Albeit you want to change things for "looks" or otherwise, it's not allowed. Sorry :( {{User:Kiltek/Sig}} 04:40, 26 March 2007 (EDT)

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: It is very illegal for this reason. You can see people better by changing them, etc. This is why it's illegal. It's bannable. It will be detected. MPQ files are hashed and easily verified for integrity. It's one of the most basic checks by Warden. --[[User:Shirik|Shirik]] 11:29, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

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:: P.S. If you really wanted to change those files, using a hex editor is possibly the worst way to do it :P --[[User:Shirik|Shirik]] 11:29, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

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== Question about + generic magic damage vs + specific magic tree damage ==

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I apologize if this has been asked and answered before but I looked and didn't see an answer anywhere.

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Is there any difference between an item that does +20 spell damage as opposed to +20 frost damage? I know that the latter is obviously limited to boosting frost but will the +20 spell damage give the same boost to frost (as well as fire, arcane, etc.) that +20 frost damage will? If so, why is there any item that limits damage to a specific magic branch as opposed to the generic +spell damage?

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--[[User:Zippity|Zippity]] 01:38, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

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: No there's no difference in the "boost" it will give you, on a top level at least. Each spell a class has benefits from a percentage of the +damage (or +healing) you might have; it's never 100%. This can also be changed through talents.

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: Limiting items to certain types of damage is about itemisation balancing; it's simply to stop people being able to completely overgear themselves. Take a mage for example, they have Fire, Frost and Arcane; now imagine how over powered that would be if that mage could wear the same robe to boost the power of his Fire spells, even though he's actually Frost specc. It's all about balance! {{User:Kiltek/Sig}} 04:51, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

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::I think that when you have a boost to a specific type of damage, the bonus is often higher that the generic damage type. Take a look at [http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24628 Slavehandler Wristguards]. The Invoker and Sorcerer versions have a +15 generic spell damage boost. The "Wrath" versions have a bonus +35 to a specific damage type. Using a Wrath item is best if most of your spells are from a specific school. For example, I found the Shadow Wrath version of this and gave it to my Affliction warlock. Almost all her spells are shadow based. While her Immolate spell didn't get a boost, I didn't use it that often. - [[User:ClydeJr|ClydeJr]] 12:19, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

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:::Following that logic, just look at all the quest rewards which give items with +X damage and healing or +Y healing, where Y > X. Since healing's a limited type of magic, it's balanced to boost it more than it would be to boost everything. --[[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 05:25, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

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== neutral faction ==

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Dont You Think That There Should B a neutral faction that way u can decide what towns u wanna help ou and what towns u wanna gain rep 4 it would just make the game that much better imagine playing as a blood elf and deciding that you want help out storm wind or iron forge ore even for some strange reason darnassus

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--[[User:Rufficuss|Rufficuss]] 02:00, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

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:: World of Warcraft is a game very much based on Lore. Doing something like this would go against that lore. In all games, there is always 2 opposing sides (or more) and as such it creates the competition, seen in both PvP and PvE that we see today. Start to blend those edges and the game is going to lose its kick and interest. So no, it would in no way be a good idea. {{User:Kiltek/Sig}} 04:47, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

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:There are neutral factions which you can choose which ones to help out - there's the Goblins, the Aldor/Scryer choice, and the choice of Centaur tribes in [[Desolace]]. However, for many reasons, both lore- and gameplay-based, there isn't and will never be a way to help the ''opposing'' faction. If you've been playing long enough, you may remember that you used to be able to see your rep with the opposing faction, and that it started at Hated, could never go up, and was permanently "at war" (at least, that's how I remember it being). That's been removed, since it was quite pointless to have. --[[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 05:23, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

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== What patches were armor released? ==

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I can see that T1 and T2 have been having armor and stat change way back, but when were they released? Can I also get when T0, .0, ZG, T3, PvP epic and rare, etc was releases? Thanks. --[[User:Colinstu|Colinstu]] 00:39, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

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: Sure, but you'll be finding it yourself :) Check out [[Patches]] then just look through each of the patch notes to find out. Armor is implemented into the game on the release of the dungeon in which they drop. However, Tier Sets are generally already in the game files before they a formally released. {{User:Kiltek/Sig}} 04:54, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

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::I know for certain that both T1 and T2 were released with version 1.0 with the [[Molten Core]]. The majority of T2 was removed during a subsequent patch, in wait for [[BWL]].--{{User:Sky2042/Sig}} 03:00, 2 April 2007 (EDT)

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:::*[[Patch 1.7 (Release Notes)|Patch 1.7: Rise of the Blood God]] introduced the [[Zandalar Tribe set|Zandalar Tribe/Tier 1.5 set]] from [[Zul'Gurub]] and [[Arathi Basin]] sets with that battleground. This patch came out in September 2005.

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:::*[[Patch 1.9 (Release Notes)|Patch 1.9: The Gates of Ahn'Qiraj]] introduced the [[Cenarion Circle set|Cenarion Circle/AQ20 set]] and the [[Brood of Nozdormu set|Brood of Nozdormu/AQ40/Tier 2.5 set]] with the [[Ahn'Qiraj|Ruins and Temple of Ahn'Qiraj]] instances. It also brought model and stat changes to [[Tier 2]] armor. This patch was introduced in Jan 2006.

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:::*[[Patch 1.10 (Release Notes)|Patch 1.10: Storms of Azeroth]] introduced [[Dungeon Set 2|Tier 0.5 aka Dungeon Set 2]] in March 2006.

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:::*[[Patch 1.11 (Release Notes)|Patch 1.11: Shadow of the Necropolis]] introduced [[Tier 3]] with the [[Naxxramas]] dungeon in June 2006.

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:::*The [[Burning Crusade]] expansion brought us [[Tier 4]], [[Tier 5]], and [[Dungeon Set 3]] in January 2007.

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:::Hope this helps - [[User:ClydeJr|ClydeJr]] 18:18, 2 April 2007 (EDT)

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== Wow enus dont get the full tome.mpq 5 why ? ==

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--[[User:666046|666046]] 03:37, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

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: What? {{User:Kirkburn/Sig2}} 03:41, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

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When i install it´, i dont get hole part of it the file tome.mpq 5 is not full download dont knoew how to do plz help ?

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:: This isn't Warcraft nor Wiki related. I'd suggest going to the [http://forums.wow-europe.com/board.html?forumId=11079&sid=1 EU Support Forums] or the [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11110&sid=1 US Support Forums]. Tome.mpq is on the disks, or the downloaded version from Blizzard (which I can confirm) so I'm not sure what you're on about, and here isn't the place. {{User:Kiltek/Sig}} 04:50, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

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::: Have you download it if you have how much gig do you download my tome.mpq 5 map is only on 641 862 kb my firend got 644 000 and when i try to instal it some of a avi missing on it ??? {{unsigned|666046}}

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:::: I've not downloaded anything recently - and it's probably that you're not downloaded the correct patch version. Please go to [http://forums.wow-europe.com/board.html?forumId=11079&sid=1 EU Support Forums] or the [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11110&sid=1 US Support Forums]. You'll get no technical support here. {{User:Kiltek/Sig}} 05:11, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

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:::::I don't get any help there and i dont install any patch i install WoW-2.0.0-enUS-Installer cause i need the north american version to run burning crusade then But it is a error on the tome.mpq 5 :S ? plz help if you can .. {{unsigned|666046}}

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::::::Please sign your posts with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>

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::::::Right, what are you actually trying to do? Are you installing a US Version of WoW? Where did you get this installer from? Have you removed previous versions of WoW from your computer? {{User:Kiltek/Sig}} 05:37, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

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:::::::It's possible that you just aren't patched up the current version, which is why it's a different size. As long as it plays, don't worry about it. If it gives you an error, quote the error when you're having a problem. If it plays but has a specific problem (such as video X is corrupted), check the WoW support forums. --[[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 05:20, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

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== Gaining rep ==

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What is the best way to gain rep with Orgrimaar?

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I have done lots of quests and am revered but really want the wolf mount, where should I be questing?

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--[[User:Tobia|Tobia]] 15:46, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

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:You want to do as many quests where the quest-giver is an orc, even old level 1 quests. I believe all quests give full rep bonus, even if you don't get an experience. If you've done all the quests you can, then your next best bet is to turn in cloth to the Cloth Quartermaster in Orgrimmar. Her name is [[Rashona Straglash]] and I believe she can be found next to the Tailor trainers so you can ask a guard for directions. She'll first give you a turn in 60 wool, then 60 silk, then 60 mageweave, then finally a repeatable quest to turn in 60 runecloth.

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::I am not sure if this has changed in all places or if it has always done it, but I know when I go to turn in runecloth for the repeatable part, I only turn in 20 at a time. I think the first time turn ins give 200 or 250 rep, and the repeat turn ins give 75. {{User:Dparvin/Sig}} 12:14, 23 April 2007 (MDT)

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:Another possible solution (if you are level 60+) is to get Exalted status in the [[Alterac Valley]] battleground and purchase one of their white wolves for 50 AV Marks of Honor. - [[User:ClydeJr|ClydeJr]] 17:31, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

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::Also doing [[Alterac Valley]] and turning in items there will give you rep with [[Orgrimmar]] I believe. I have not done AV with horde, but I know I got exalted with [[Ironforge]] by doing a lot of AV turn ins. Once you get to Exalted with the primary faction ([[Ironforge]] or [[Orgrimmar]]) then the faction gets split to the other four factions on your side. So when I got my faction with Ironforge all the way to the top of exalted, the faction went to [[Stormwind]], [[Gnomeregan]], [[Exodar]] and [[Darnassus]]. {{User:Dparvin/Sig}} 12:14, 23 April 2007 (MDT)

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== Possible to download WoWWiki? If so... how? ==

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== Karazhan video request ==

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I use to have a two part video that was available for download from some guild - but I deleted it and I want to watch it again. I remember that the guild was European(French?), was horde, and used Sony Vegas for editing the movie. The video was pretty high quality, nice editing too. The PoV was an undead priest most of the time, and would occasionally switch to a feral druid. If anyone can point me to the right direction, or has the video, tell me! TY --[[User:Colinstu|Colinstu]] 16:51, 29 March 2007 (EDT) PS, another useless detail was that one of the druids were wearing those recolored druid T1 shoulders.

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: Was it of the whole instance or just a few bosses, or only one boss even? Helps in searching :-) --[[User talk:Tinkerer|T]][[User:Tinkerer|inker]][[Special:Contributions/Tinkerer|er]] 16:14, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

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:: God, I can't remember. Some parts of me tell me yes, some say no... For some reason I keep thinking the guild is called soul society but I go to their site and nothing. --[[User:Colinstu|Colinstu]] 21:44, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

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== Silvermoon City Reputation? ==

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Alright, so... I've been informed that once you complete all the quests in the Eversong Woods and The Ghostlands, there are absolutely 100% no more quests there(unless you're a Paladin) until you hit Level 60? As such, I'd like to know if it's physically possible to get Exaulted with Silvermoon City as a non-Blood Elf race. If so, how? I know you can repeatedly turn in cloth to the Cloth Quartermaster in The Bazaar of Silvermoon City, but other than that...? ~ Doc Lithius ([[user:Doc Lithius|U]])([[User talk:Doc Lithius|T]])([[Special:Contributions/Doc Lithius|C]]) 13:01, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

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: Once you get completely exalted with orgimmar, I think you can get rep to all horde factions, via turn ins of stuff in Alterac valley. --[[User:Colinstu|Colinstu]] 16:11, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

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::You don't have to be exalted with Orgrimmar, you just have to be in the instance to receive the rep from turn-ins. I must say, it will take quite a few of turn ins however. :)--{{User:Sky2042/Sig}} 02:22, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

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:There are other quests scattered around which give SC rep. There's at least one questgiver in [[Freewind Post]], for instance. In general, you get to exalted with Silvermoon the same way you get to exalted with any other major city - lots of quests at every level, and then repeatable rep turnins. The only thing special about this one is that any general Horde rep gained before BC doesn't count. --[[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 05:16, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

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== Next Expansion Area ==

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Where should the next expansion be? Here are the possible areas where it could be.

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Northrend.

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South Seas/Great Sea.

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Emerald Dream.

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Elemental Plane.

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Dark Below.

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Argus. (Dreanei original homeworld).

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Warcraft 3 wow area.

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War against old golds and ancients. (Fights old gods and ancients in current areas and mabye new areas).

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Discuss,

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[[User:Snorkyorky|Snorkyorky]] 19:34 Gmt.

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:[[Rumored expansions]]--{{User:Sky2042/Sig}} 18:44, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

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== LFG chat ==

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Romers has it that the GMs are thinking about putting up the LFG channel back on in the next "major" patch

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:That's not a rumor, its well known that the LFG channel will be coming back in the next major content patch, but will only be available to those players who are using the LFG/LFM UI. {{User:Cladhaire/Sig}}

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::That is ''awesome''. Now maybe people'll stop spamming up the LookingForGuild and Trade channels in-town so much... Furthermore, it'll be better for when we need a call-to-arms for when our towns are being desecrated. ~ Doc Lithius ([[user:Doc Lithius|U]])([[User talk:Doc Lithius|T]])([[Special:Contributions/Doc Lithius|C]]) 04:00, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

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== WoW and Blizzcon news! ==

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Some news for everyone...

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* All 2.1 Patch notes consolidated [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=94203802&sid=1]

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* Blizzcon 2007 announced! [http://www.blizzard.com/press/070412.shtml], [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=94849650&sid=1]

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* Profession Notes for 2.1 [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=94849591&sid=1]

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* Graveyards, Flight Paths and Trinkets for 2.1 [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=94959528&sid=1&pageNo=1]

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* Likely prelim class changes for 2.1 [http://pastey.net/11284]

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* Raids and dungeon changes for 2.1 [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=89378961&sid=1]

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* Elixir changes for 2.1 [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=94161512&postId=940234401&sid=1#0]

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Enjoy and add to the wiki where appropriate please :) {{User:Kirkburn/Sig2}} 14:02, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

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: All nice and dandy, but isn't this kind of information supposed to go on the Warcraft Pump? ^^ ==[[User:Patrigan|'''Patrigan''']]-[[User_talk:Patrigan|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Patrigan|Contr]]-[[Server:Shattered_Hand_Europe|''SH (EU)'']] 14:13, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

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:: Dammit, you're right. Moved! {{User:Kirkburn/Sig2}} 14:28, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

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::: Dare I say: "Owned!"? ==[[User:Patrigan|'''Patrigan''']]-[[User_talk:Patrigan|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Patrigan|Contr]]-[[Server:Shattered_Hand_Europe|''SH (EU)'']] 14:37, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

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: Finally, a real flight point for Feralas! [[User:Sharlin|Sharlin]] 06:41, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

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:: Upcoming changes to Alchemy suck. Reducing elemental protection pots to two minutes basically removes them from play. They will be relegated to instances and raids only. Whereas their value to normal adventurers in outdoor areas was immense. Hell I and others have alchemy on multiple characters, but what for now? [[User:Sharlin|Sharlin]] 06:54, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

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:: Rogues get Improved Sap for free, Avenger's Shield has no minimum range now, Protection Paladins boosted, Ice Block has cool down effect similar to Pally/Priest shields. Hell some classes change so significant it makes you wonder what TBC was {{User:Sharlin/Sig}} 12:20, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

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== **SPOILER** Illidan Stormrage model in wow and sound file information **SPOILER** ==

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well here it is the in game model of illidan stormrage

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illidan normal

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http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d11/TCraido/Illidannorm.jpg

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illidan dark

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http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d11/TCraido/illidandark.jpg

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-**SPOILER ALERT**-

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i also found sound files of illidan and Maiev talking at what seams to be the end of there battle they say

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Maiev says: "ahh it is finished you are beaten"

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Illidan says: "Maiev how is it even possible.... you have won... Maiev but the huntress is nothing with out the hunt... You are nothing with out me... *groans*" at this point illidan seams to die (NOOO T_T)

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Maiev say: "he is right … I feel nothing … I am….. Nothing…"

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--[[User:Raidouk|Raidouk]] 17:13, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

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--[[User:Raidouk|Raidouk]] 17:13, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

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: Your gonna get yelled at for data mining. --[[User:Colinstu|Colinstu]] 17:07, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

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:: nah, he's gonna get yelled at for DARN YOU FUCKING SPOILER!!! ^^ (added Spoiler alert)About the datamining, yeah just so you know, iot is kind of illegal. ==[[User:Patrigan|'''Patrigan''']]-[[User_talk:Patrigan|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Patrigan|Contr]]-[[Server:Shattered_Hand_Europe|''SH (EU)'']] 18:51, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

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:::I gotta say, if I told everyone how much stuff I've found via Datamining with (certain programs), I'm pretty sure I'd be out on my arse. But why do you think the article about [[Illidan Stormrage]] is still without an image of his in ''[[World of Warcraft]]''? Simply put, [[The Black Temple]] hasn't been opened to the public yet, so no one can get an in-game image of him aside from maybe Blizzard employees and BETA testers. ~ Doc Lithius ([[user:Doc Lithius|U]])([[User talk:Doc Lithius|T]])([[Special:Contributions/Doc Lithius|C]]) 19:23, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

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:::: I datamine a lot too, I'm always dressing up charactes and looking at the Expansion02 folder, but I don't tell people that {{=P}} {{User:Colinstu/Sig}} 23:54, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

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== where can you find out where to play the game WoWWiki ==

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where do i find out where to play the game WOWWiki

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: Huh? This is not a game. {{User:Colinstu/Sig}} 21:52, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

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: This Wiki is about [http://www.worlofwarcraft.com World of Warcraft] also known as WoW, hence WoWWiki. --{{User:Gryphon/Sig}} 16:22, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

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== CrafterList - Desired Craftable Boiler ==

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== the azure glade tower defence ==

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the azure glade tower defence, not sure if this is the right place to post a question, but here goes........in the azure glade tower defence in WWIII I can only ever get to level 20 the second boss stage. Then my tree gets corrupt and I die, however I never see any bosses? Are they invisible or is there a bug in this level. And is there a walkthrough anywher for this level?

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Regards

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Rick

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: The bosses at level 20 are invisible, you need the special towers that can see invisible mobs... can't remember their names, but they are the really expensive ones {{=P}} --{{User:Psyker7/Sig}} 21:41, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

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== [[Finnall Goldensword]] ==

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I was just reading about her and was wondering if we are likely to see her in Dalaran when it becomes available to go to? {{Unsigned|Tiamus}}

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:Impossible to say, though it seems likely. --[[User:Ragestorm|Ragestorm]] ([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]]) 16:34, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

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::I always thought that she would be with Tandred Proudmoore and Captain Misham Waycrest in Boralus castle... but that is a stupid Idea.--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 16:39, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

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== extra planet only in netherstorm ==

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While fly around Outland i noticed that there is a planet that i can only see thru the twisting nether in netherstorm. its a ringed planet to the east . and it dissapears when you leave netherstorm, I assume its just something blizzard forgot to add to other regions during development of BC

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--[[User:Loxel|Loxel]] 23:11, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

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perhaps not, it maybe an unused zone like hyjal providing space for future development.

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P.S: everyone likes to have a biger map, but it seems as tho the bigger map there is the more time you waste traveling.--[[User:XEXANOTH|XEXANOTH]] 20:00, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

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== Stormwind Reputation ==

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Ok, so I have a 42 gnome who I don't want riding a mechanostrider. I don't care which faction but I'm only about 5000 rep from Stormwind Exalted. I know that once I hit 50 I can hit up Alerac (though I would get owned and will probably wait till 57 or so) However, I don't know any areas where there are humans who give a lot of quests at this level so I can gain SW rep. Anyone have any ideas?

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--[[User:Theworthing|Theworthing]] 11:47, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

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:How about the quests you get in Southshore? After that, you could move north into the Aterac Mountains and Western Plaguelands. Also don't the quests that start in Theramore Isle give SW rep? I think there is a lot of rep you can get at Arathi Highlands as well. {{User:Dparvin/Sig}} 12:26, 23 April 2007 (MDT)

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::The problem is that there are pretty much no quests that start in Theramore and aren't Alerac and WP a bit too high? [[User:Theworthing|Theworthing]] 19:15, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

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:::Which Alterac are you referring to? If you're referring to the BG, it depends on the class. I would definitely suggest going if you're a ranged class; you just have to be careful of Rogues. As to the other Alterac, I have no clue (I think that's 35-45... I could be wrong). --{{User:Sky2042/Sig}} 22:25, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

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== Attribute Gain per Level... based on race/class or combo? ==

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Hi There has anyone ever done research on Attributes gained per level? Is it class based or race based or combo of the two? Will a naked lev 70 human priest have same stats as a naked lev 70 human rogue etc. Would really like to know this... been eating away at me.

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--[[User:Pookiebear|Pookiebear]] 16:54, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

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why did they stop letting ppl get ranks like private and all that when you get honor points? --[[User:Gelo1992|Gelo1992]] 17:46, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

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:It was part of the old system. Old system went bye-bye, which means that ranks went bye-bye. Other than that, we don't know. --{{User:Sky2042/Sig}} 22:23, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

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== What are the dragon flights? (including the black dragonflight) ==

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Hello, im sort of confused about the warcraft lore, so can someone help me out? ok well, im confused about what the black dragonflight is. WHAT IS IT? what did the titans have anything to do with dragons, what is the flights and such? and what do they do? can someone help me out? ok, well thanks.

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:[[Dragonflight]]. Read to your heart's content. --{{User:Sky2042/Sig}} 22:31, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

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:Do you actually want to use the information I've given you? Go through the articles, and ''read''. I'm not going to present information that is already present to be used.--{{User:Sky2042/Sig}} 22:36, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

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-== New novel announced ==
-See [[Tides of Darkness]]. Please fill out more info, I've started it off :) {{User:Kirkburn/Sig}} 13:25, 10 February 2007 (EST)
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-: Oh, and whilst I'm here, I think we need to create  [[:Category:Maps]], and categorise all maps on the wiki onto it for easy maintenance. {{User:Kirkburn/Sig}} 14:25, 10 February 2007 (EST)
-:: That would certainly make things easier to locate. {{User:Eberktor/Sig}} 23:20, 4 April 2007 (EDT)
-== Visible but unreachable places ==
-Just wondering - is there an article on WoWWiki that lists noteworthy places that can be seen but are not reachable in gameplay?  This would most notably include unreachable places visible from flight paths but may include places visible by other means.  If there isn't one, would there be any interest in starting one?  --[[User:Mwalimu|Mwalimu]] 21:34, 16 February 2007 (EST)
+LOLZ
-:I have been thinking of starting a similar article myself. However, mine would be more a list of all places reachable by Flying mount, where access is better left impossible, for now. However such an article would be rather cool aswell. <font color=#CC6633>==</font>[[User:Patrigan|<font color=#00CC33>'''Patrigan'''</font>]]<font color=#CC6633>-</font><small>[[User_talk:Patrigan|<font color=#00CC33>Talk</font>]]<font color=#CC6633>/</font>[[Special:Contributions/Patrigan|<font color=#00CC33>Contr</font>]]</small><font color=#CC6633>-</font>[[Server:Shattered_Hand_Europe|<font color=#00CC33>''SH (EU)''</font>]] 04:28, 17 February 2007 (EST)
-::"better left impossible"? If you can fly there, you can get there. I can't think of a time when a flying mount can't get somewhere in Outland. :S --{{User:Zeal/Sig}} 05:10, 17 February 2007 (EST)
-:::Flying mounts can't swim :P --[[User:Psyker7|Psyker7]] 07:03, 17 February 2007 (EST)
-::::And being that there's not much water in Outland, and where there is, there is no inaccessable places, it's not an issue :p --{{User:Zeal/Sig}} 07:14, 17 February 2007 (EST)
-::Patrigan: [[Places_To_Go_By_Flying]] (And it badly needs to be renamed). --{{User:Adys/Sig}} 05:17, 17 February 2007 (EST)
-::There are some places in the outlands that you can not fly over.  Try going out to the black temple and try flying over the temple.  There is an invisible wall around the temple that is actually curved out from the temple so the higher you go the farther back from the temple you will be pushed.  --  {{User:Dparvin/Sig}} 09:00 AM 23 April 2007 (MDT)
-:There isn't a list afaik. I'm hoping you're not looking for guides or something of how to get to place you're not meant to, even though they're not exactly exploits, they aren't allowed by Blizzard, and thus that probably goes for here too. But sure, make up a list. --{{User:Zeal/Sig}} 05:10, 17 February 2007 (EST)
-Who ever suggested we were talking about Burning Crusade? I wasn't for sure... I was thinking about a list of places in AZeroth. Places like the east Tirisfall, where currently nothing, but a flat plains can be seen. Mwalimu most probably referred to places like the Dwarves vs the Dragon near Searing Gorge. The Dancing Trolls between Darkshore and Moonglade. Hyjal itself even (but that one ain't seeable from flightpaths. Simply every part of Azeroth which needs to be redone qo that we can have the dream come true of one day being able to use flying mounts in Azeroth. (Reading Comprehension my friends, not everyone is about Outlands these days :p) <font color=#CC6633>==</font>[[User:Patrigan|<font color=#00CC33>'''Patrigan'''</font>]]<font color=#CC6633>-</font><small>[[User_talk:Patrigan|<font color=#00CC33>Talk</font>]]<font color=#CC6633>/</font>[[Special:Contributions/Patrigan|<font color=#00CC33>Contr</font>]]</small><font color=#CC6633>-</font>[[Server:Shattered_Hand_Europe|<font color=#00CC33>''SH (EU)''</font>]] 11:12, 17 February 2007 (EST)
-:Yes, Azeroth for sure - My highest char is a mid-level who isn't powerful enough yet to explore many areas of Azeroth, much less Outlands or most of the instances.  So there are a lot of flights paths I don't know yet, some I haven't used, and of the interesting looking places I've seen from the air I haven't tried to reach many of them and don't know if it's possible or not.  As such, I'd suggest the format of the list allow for corrections in case a thought-to-be-unreachable place turns out to be reachable after all.
-:There are a couple of buildings and farmland terraces visible between Menethil Harbor and Ironforge that look unreachable.   The seas outside the Deeprun Tram would qualify for the list.  And there are a couple of areas visible on the approach to Stonetalon Peak that I couldn't find any way to get to, at least not directly from Stonetalon Peak.  I can't rule out the possibility of an alternate exit from the Talon Den, or an obscure approach from Desolace or the sea, but I suspect those areas are unreachable. --[[User:Mwalimu|Mwalimu]] 11:38, 17 February 2007 (EST)
-::I dare confirm they are unreachable. Checked w/ the wowmapview. The areas you see when travelling Auberdine-Theramore(and related ones) in Stonetalon are unreachable and "cave exits" are only decorative. Maybe to encourage players to search a secret, or a backdoors to give access to theese zones later. Currently the westernmost Stonetalon hasn't got any heightmap. [[User:ElfElunaAlina|ElfElunaAlina]] 21:15, 3 March 2007 (EST)  The area seen en route to Stonetalon from Menethil is reachable from Stonetalon; however apon finding the one crag in the mountains that is climbable, you will learn that it is a glitch.  There is nothing in the waterfall, orc hut, or stone structure.  The only way out is via teleport or a jump into the ocean followed by a very very long swim until you reach a mountable shoreline.  Some mysteries are best left mysteries.
-:How about make your comments clearer rather than insulting my ability to read which is fine pat? ¬_¬ Either way, i rfer you to what i said to Mwalimu, and also add that these things are '''not''' what is stopping flying mount use in Azeroth. Just make sure you're not disccuing how to get to these places, merely that they exist and where.
-:On a site note.. seriouslly.. will people learn to indent comments properly.. >_< --{{User:Zeal/Sig}} 13:15, 17 February 2007 (EST)
-:: Maybe when people learn to capitalize the word "I"?  ^^  {{User:Tekkub/Sig}} 16:56, 17 February 2007 (EST)
-:::That'll happen the day someone gives me a justified reason to, 'till then i'm sticking with the English language being crap. >_> --{{User:Zeal/Sig}} 03:39, 18 February 2007 (EST)
-:::: Sorry Zeal, never wanted to sound insulting :p Ofcourse I would also never discuss how to reach those places (I can say that I have '''seen''' them thanks to a shaman ability >.>) I'm working on this list, so that I might get Blizzard to actually fix those zones and allow flying mounts in Azeroth. There's 2 fixes needed for that: 1. Currently unreachable places: be it FP Favor places, or just unfinished zones (this involves both places like Hyjal and places like west of Tirisfal) 2. Hardness bugs: Can't really find the right word, but the fact that some things allow you to fall through a roof (everyone has seen the Noggaholic movie where they fell through the roof to Thrall I presume?) It'll be hell of a work for blizz to fix that, but if they know what to fix, then perhaps... <font color=#CC6633>==</font>[[User:Patrigan|<font color=#00CC33>'''Patrigan'''</font>]]<font color=#CC6633>-</font><small>[[User_talk:Patrigan|<font color=#00CC33>Talk</font>]]<font color=#CC6633>/</font>[[Special:Contributions/Patrigan|<font color=#00CC33>Contr</font>]]</small><font color=#CC6633>-</font>[[Server:Shattered_Hand_Europe|<font color=#00CC33>''SH (EU)''</font>]] 04:23, 18 February 2007 (EST)
-:::: Engrish is a load of taurencrap, yes, but I for one prefer to not look like a stupid american :P  {{User:Tekkub/Sig}} 09:48, 18 February 2007 (EST)
-There's categories for these types of places (at least the kind that show up on the maps): [[:Category:Closed_Zones]].  I don't think there's a list of the various small things you fly over (like the tent on the Stormwind->Ironforge flight path). --[[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 23:50, 17 February 2007 (EST)
-:I didn't know about that category until just now, and I'd say it qualifies for what I had in mind, or at least close enough that it's not worth the trouble to create the list as I had originally suggested.  Thanks for pointing that out.  --[[User:Mwalimu|Mwalimu]] 01:03, 18 February 2007 (EST)
-Blizz has already stated that the reason there won't be flying mounts in Azeroth is because they would have to totally rescript and remap the WHOLE area, not just those small areas you see but can't get to.
---[[User:Shik|Shik]] 00:52, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
-:I find that not true to be quite honest, because as you might, or might not know, flieng mounts acctualy just "swim" trough air. the only point is that they would need to set flight bounds, and "close up" holes in the ground at the places they didn't pay any atension to.
-:AKA blizzard thinks we are idiots. [[User:Yenea Whindlebolt|Yenea Whindlebolt]] 13:39, 20 April 2007 (EDT)
-== Violet Eye rings ==
-Can we get a page describing the Violet Eye rings and listing their upgrade stages? There is very little info besides Thottbot searches, and I'm not qualified to write this page. --[[User:Davidc|Davidc]] 16:06, 18 February 2007 (EST)
-:Everyone is qualified to write pages ;) I've added all the ring info, hope I didn't use the wrong tooltip template. {{User:Jeoh/Signature}}
-::I meant I didn't have the knowledge and thott was rather unclear at the time :) Looks great, thanks! --[[User:Davidc|Davidc]] 13:43, 15 March 2007 (EDT)
-== tier 4 ==
---[[User:Rocketboy|Rocketboy]] 16:29, 20 February 2007 (EST)
-From the info i have received i understand that there are two different warrior sets: Battle, and Protection.   What I'm Wondering is if you can have both?  I'm somewhat confused how to achieve the battleset.  Is it done by pvp or token turn in from boss drops?
-:For some classes, there are multiple [[Tier 4]] sets. Warriors do have two sets: Warbringer Armor which is a tanking set and Warbringer Battlegear which is a DPS set. The pieces are obtained by turning in tokens that drop in [[Karazhan]], [[Gruul's Lair]], and (possibly) [[Magtheridon's Lair]]. You can have pieces from both sets, although each set has its own specific set bonuses. - [[User:ClydeJr|ClydeJr]] 18:08, 20 February 2007 (EST)
-== Seeing completed old quests ==
-Is there a macro or addon that shows which quests were already completed by a character (i.e. not in the quest log but that had been completed a while back)? Seems this should be possible since we get a message on other players when we have completed a quest. Couldn't a server request be written that brings back that information?
---[[User:Mikenowo|Mikenowo]] 10:34, 23 February 2007 (EST)
-:I'm afraid without an addon tracking all the quests you do, there isnt a way to get that infomation from the default UI, it's all kept hidden in blizzard's servers. --[[User:Kaso|Kaso]] 09:27, 17 March 2007 (EDT)
-== Fade in at login time ==
-I notice that since installing the expansion I now have a 2 second or so 'fade in' of the login fields at wow login time when before they appeared right away. I've checked my config.wtf settings but don't see anything that would cause this (compared with an old config.wtf I had). Any ideas how to disable this annoying fade in? Also is there anywhere that explains all the entries in the config.wtf file (I found a page here that show most of the possible entries but not what they all mean). --[[User:Mikenowo|Mikenowo]] 10:49, 23 February 2007 (EST)
-: It's a keylogger scan that runs before letting your account and password fields appear, during the BC beta there was still a message for it but since the release it appears as a fade in. --{{User:Adys/Sig}} 11:08, 23 February 2007 (EST)
-== /who GM ==
-From [[GM Island]]
-* During February and March 2007, players who perform a <code>/who GM</code> search will receive a list of GMs with {{title|GM}} tags and GMs on the GM Island.''Confirmed to still work after patch 2.0.8''
-I have just tried to do this with v2.0.8.6403 (EU - enGB), and all I get is a list of players with '''gm''' in their name.
-What is the source of this? Can anyone confirm it to work?
---[[User:Stijnherreman|Stijnherreman]] 12:31, 24 February 2007 (EST)
-:I tried it in 2.0.7, didn't work then either. --{{User:Zeal/Sig}} 12:35, 24 February 2007 (EST)
-:I tried it the night before the Patch of Druid Beating, and it worked, showing one person (a level 1 paladin) on GM island. Not sure what the point is, but it did it. It also showed about 10 other people, all with 'gm' in their name. --[[User:Azaram|Azaram]] 03:34, 7 March 2007 (EST)
-:This worked for me today, <GM>Zrythos, level 60 warlock on GM island... Obviously it will only work if there are any online at the time. --[[User:Psyker7|Psyker7]] 02:12, 10 March 2007 (EST)
-== List of alt chars ==
-Is there an addon that allows you to get a list of all alts for a given main character (i.e. if you give one character name it will list all the other char names associated to that char on the persons id)
---[[User:Mikenowo|Mikenowo]] 09:12, 25 February 2007 (EST)
-: Addons do not have access to that information from the game.  Some exist that let you manually define what alt belongs to which person.  However, this isn't the place for this stuff, please use the [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11114&sid=1 Blizzard forum] or one of the addon sites.  {{User:Tekkub/Sig}} 11:44, 25 February 2007 (EST)
-== are leatherworking items soulbound? ==
-i am concidering making my feral/healer druid a leatherworker so i can mail stuff to my rogue. who is a herbologist/ skinner because when i learn poisons it will be cool not having to buy herbs for my poisons.
-i was going to make my druid's other proffesion alchemy (as i have my rogue farming herbs and leather.) the only problem i can see is if the leatherworking items are soulbound, could someone tell me if they are.
-i looked all over the leatherworker page but it didn 't say. can i have some help?
-: The mass majority of crafted equipment are not Bind on Pickup, so they do not bind the moment you make them.  However, some items require a certain crafting skill to use, especially engineering items.  The simple answer to your question is yes, you can do what you want, for the most part.  {{User:Tekkub/Sig}} 11:32, 25 February 2007 (EST)
-:: It's true that the general products of crafting skills are not BOP, the key exception to this is craft specializations, in the case of leatherworking, into Tribal, elemental and dragonscale leatherworking. All recipes learnt from the specialization are BOP and thus you should take the one best suited to your crafter. [[User:Jalben|Jalben]] 01:32, 27 February 2007 (EST)
-::: [http://www.wowhead.com/?spells=11.165.10656 *cough*]  Not everthing there is BoP...  {{User:Tekkub/Sig}} 02:08, 27 February 2007 (EST)
-::::That page is slightly misleading. Things like Dragonscale Gauntlets and Blue Dragonscale Leggings no longer require the crafter to have the Dragonscale specialty. Any leathercrafter with high enough skill can learn them now. They really shouldn't be on Wowhead's Dragonscale page anymore. The only items that require the specialty to make are now BoP so only the crafter can wear them. It's the same with the blacksmithing specialties. Therefore you should pick your specialty based on what your character can use. If you're planning on having a feral/healing druid learn leatherworking, you're best choices are either Elemental Leatherworking for the {{loot|epic|Primal Intent}} set (Feral) or the Tribal Leatherworking for the {{loot|epic|Windhawk Armor}} set (Healing).- [[User:ClydeJr|ClydeJr]] 17:44, 28 February 2007 (EST)
-== Easy cash ==
-In wow one of the easiest ways to make cash for levels 24-29 is the wetlands. I have created a guide on how to make lots of money. Here it is(If you find anything unsatisfactory tell me) :
-If you are in menethil harbor exit. then go straight forward. follow the path. if you take a right farther forward you should see mottled raptors. start grinding here. not only will you get lots of xp you will also collect raptor tooths and raptor eggs. When you have about 20-40 teeth and 10-30 eggs go to ironforge.
-here sell the teeth to a vendor and the eggs at the auction house. If you had 40 teeth and 30 eggs you could have earned up to 1.5 gold. Repeat this process 6-40  times a week. after about one week you should have
-earned 9-60.
---[[User:Strongugly|Strongugly]] 15:20, 2 March 2007 (EST)
-:: I get my easy cash in outlands. --[[User:Colinstu|Colinstu]] 16:02, 2 March 2007 (EST)
-:: OP formatting edited for clarity.--<span style="font-size: 0.85em; padding: .2em .3em; border-top: 1px #504c50 solid; border-bottom: 1px #504c50 solid; background-color: #2C2C2C">'''[[User:Hobinheim|<span style="cursor:help;color:#62fc00">Hobinheim</span>]]''' <small>([[User talk:Hobinheim|<span style="color:#aaff00">talk</span>]] · [[Special:Contributions/Hobinheim|<span style="color:#ffff00">contr</span>]])</small></span> 17:35, 2 March 2007 (EST)
-:: 60g in a week?  That is not exactly what I consider "Easy Cash".  My recommendation is to spend your week leveling, go to the outlands and earn 60g in twenty minutes.
-:::The idea behind this idea is really a good one, though.  Collect all those grey items, and sell them.  Collect all those white items you have no use for, and sell them.  I've often grouped with people who just looted the quest items, money, and green+ items, and left the rest for me to collect - and they can bring in a lot more money... --[[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 16:55, 6 March 2007 (EST)
-'''GOLD AND WOMEN WILL FLOCK TO YOU LIKE THE SALMON OF CAPISTRANO IF YOU READ THIS'''   i used to pass on all the gray items. always seemed a waste of time. ive learned the error of my ways, though, especially human crafted grays, generally 1.5g and up. stacks of elemental mob gray items, for example, go for 2.5 a stack or so. ive made over 7.5K g since TBC came out (a quantifiable #, reg flyer 900, epic flyer 5000, epic for my alt 900, 100 for alts lvl 40, 100 for a friends level 40, and the 500 or so i have in bank now. it helped that i had my full R14 pvp set (*buffs fingernails* earned pre server, i might add) so i was able to DE just about ever quest reward. mat prices are insane. and i farmed several characters worth of scryer exalted rep items. also as a level 70, i can pretty much run straight to incendius, kill him and run out and reset without aggroing a single mob. thats 5 large brilliant shards per hour (instance cap is 5 per hour). thats 10g minimum pershard. ive done 20 runs in a day several times. and pre TBC, i would go to winterspring and farm eye of shadow, i would get about 3 every 2 days, quick 75-200 each, starting out around 200 and sliding down the closer it got to being obsolete. soooooo....long story longer, discard nothing, sell everything. {{unsigned|Eleganza}}
-:/me climbs the Wall of Text and meows from the top. :-D Basically, I follow an old adventure game's philosophy; 'Crime pays, take ''everything'' '. If you can pick it up and have bag space, take it. If you find something better, toss the cheapest thing. Sell everything when you get back to town and bam, free money. Farming is incredibly boring, but I've made a couple of grand just by selling everything that isn't nailed down. <P> There are mods that will help with this; Autoprofit lets you sell everything grey at a vendor with one click, and Itemized Deductions will automatically tell you what's cheapest to drop. --[[User:Azaram|Azaram]] 22:42, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
-At lvl 33-36 there is a Croskilisk pit near the path that goes over the mountains between The Shimmering flats(thousand needles)and Tanaris... those mobs are worth about 7s average per kill, and if your rested give around 400+ exp (200+ not rested) and if you have skinning you can make some serious gold off of them. If greens drop you can easily double your profits
-if you are level 70 and want money, dont quest, dont farm primals, instead, do this. Go to the caverns of time in tanaris and into the black morass (note, you have to have completed caverns of time: escape from durnholde keep to have access). Dont take a group with you and dont bother starting the event. Just kill the spiders. Each one has an almost 50% chance to drop a netherweb spider silk which is used in tailoring. On my server these sell around 10g each on the auction house but i have heard that on some servers they sell for up to 35g each.
-== 29 twink ==
-I was wondering if any of you had any good talent trees or armor/weapons or trinkets that would help in BG. Im currently in balance and  was wondering if i should change to restoration. I am aiming for the trinket that dispells fear stun and charm. the BG's are taking a long time so I was asking for a new way for BG. plz reply. thx
---[[User:Bobston|Bobston]] 20:33, 5 March 2007 (EST)
-: This page is for discussion of wiki-related issues, you should direct your question at a forum specific to your question, like the Blizzard [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?sid=1&forumId=11117 PvP] or [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?sid=1&forumId=10015 Druid] forums.  {{User:Tekkub/Sig}} 21:05, 5 March 2007 (EST)
-::*http://www.wow-loot.com/
-::*http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/battlegrounds/
-::--[[User:Eleganza|Eleganza]] 09:33, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
-== profession ==
-I am a paladin at lv 5. I really dont know what professions to choose. can u help?--[[User:Joejose 1993|Joejose 1993]] 23:11, 7 March 2007 (EST)
-:You might try asking (or looking for an answer) at the [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11116&sid=1 WoW Professions Forums] or the [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=10018&sid=1 WoW Paladin Forums]. :)--[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] 23:28, 7 March 2007 (EST)
-:: I'll give you a tip.  Herbalism and Alchemy.  Unless you just want to toss money away as your learning to play.  Alchemy gives you lots of useful buffs as you go up in level, the best being Nature Protection potions.  The tradeskills of leather crafting, jewelcrafting, engineer, and armorsmith, are all very expensive to raise.  [[User:Sharlin|Sharlin]]
-::This is not the place to ask/answer such questions, but I have to disagree with Sharlin.  Take two gathering skills.  Skinning/Herbalism or Skinning/Mining is the easiest.  The money you make will greatly outweigh anything you can get from any crafting skill until you get to at least level 50.  --[[User:Mlucero|Mlucero]] 10:59, 8 March 2007 (EST)
-== Striker's Garb  ==
-I was browsing the site when I noticed that the AQ set "Striker's Garb" for hunters was missing that note that it has "Equip:Increases attack power by ##". I don't know how to change this so can someone help me? Or possibly do it for me? It would be nice to have that up with the correct info. :P
---[[User:Gleathos|Gleathos]] 15:57, 14 March 2007 (EDT)
-:If I remember correctly, a bunch of epic items were buffed around that time. Looking at Allakazam's historical versions of the [[Striker's Diadem]] shows an [http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?entryid=677425 old version] on Oct 28 2006, and  [http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?entryid=688428 the current version] which appeared on Nov 2 2006. The item gained 59 armor, lost 9 agility, and gained the 38 AP buff. Its just something that will need to be updated.
-:I updated [[Striker's Diadem]] to use the new tooltip and you can see the new stats are automatically included on the [[Striker's Garb]] set page. If you are feeling adventerous, use that as a pattern to update the rest of the set. - [[User:ClydeJr|ClydeJr]] 18:24, 14 March 2007 (EDT)
-::I would be more than willing to help out with changing the rest of the set, but I lack the knowledge.--[[User:Gleathos|Gleathos]]
-:::Gleathos, try using [[Boilerplate:Item]]. If you need to, create a "Sandbox" at [[User:Gleathos/Sandbox]] to play around with it and get familiar with editing. Let us know how it goes! :).--[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] 16:43, 15 March 2007 (EDT)
-== Direct Damage? ==
-I noticed that DD ([[Direct Damage]]) is used to describe a wide variety of spells...
-I've been used to refering to spells that have a delivery time as 'bolts', whereas spells that instantly damage the target as 'DD' spells.
-so, [[Death Coil]] would be an Instant Bolt, [[Frostbolt]] would be a Bolt, [[Smite]] a DD, and [[Earth Shock]] would be an Instant DD.
-I dunno if anyone else have used DD this way, but i'm fairly certain it was lingua franca in DAoC.
---[[User:Poposhka|Poposhka]] 19:39, 15 March 2007 (EDT)
-: Well generally spell are [[Damage over time]], [[Channeled]] or [[Direct Damage]]... with some hybrids like [[Moonfire]]  {{User:Tekkub/Sig}} 20:03, 15 March 2007 (EDT)
-:: I think Bolt is the wrong word, although I would say it raises some ambiguity about Ranged Direct Damage and standard Direct Damage, since Ranged Direct Damage will only apply when that spell eventually reaches the target. I've now managed to confused myself :) {{User:Kiltek/Sig}} 04:36, 16 March 2007 (EDT)
-::: You're confusing yourself because you're trying to describe the whole spell mechanic in one descriptor... lets simplify shall we?
-:::* Damage type
-:::** Direct - Deals damage all at once
-:::** Over Time - Damage is spread out over a time frame after the spell has been cast
-:::** Channeled - Damage is dealt over time while the caster is channeling the spell
-:::* Casting type
-:::** Instant - Lands on the target the moment it is cast
-:::** Ranged - Must travel from the caster to the target before damage is dealt
-:::* Casting time
-:::** Normal - Player must cast for a certain amount of time before the spell is unleashed
-:::** Instant - Casts instantly
-:::** Channeled - Starts casting immediatly, but must maintain channeling to maintain effect
-::: There are of course all different combinations of these types... some channeled spells are ranged (Arcane Missles) and some are instant (Volley and other AoEs)  The real point of the damage types isn't really to describe the mechanics of how the spell gets to the target, but rather it's effect after it has been cast.  I don't think most players are going to care if their cast is a "bolt" that must travel, because it's always going to do this once it's cast.  Unless the mob dies after the spell has cast there's nothing to worry about, and you couldn't cancel the spell at that point anyway.  {{User:Tekkub/Sig}} 06:48, 16 March 2007 (EDT)
-:::: I have to disagree. "Direct" refers to spell targeting. It's either '''direct''ed at one specific enemy or an area effect. Damage type would be "instant"/"burst" I don't really have an english word for it now, or over time and channeled is an additional attribute, since in theory (though none usable by players) a spell could have a casttime and be channeled and be a dot, but also have no casttime be channeled and deal all the damage at once... though you may call the latter "charging" or somewhat. Maybe we should create a page with spell attributes... -[[User:Watchout|watchout]] 08:26, 16 March 2007 (EDT)
-::::: I think Tekkub is right here. I'd say "direct damage" and "damage over time" simply refers to their mechanic. If you examine spells on thottbot, DD spells use "School Damage (X)", whereas DoTs use "periodic damage". Of course there are also mixtures available. Immolate is one of those, being a direct damage AND a damage over time spell. Mind Control and Eye of Kilrogg are exceptions as well, consisting of a cast time AND a channeling time. So far, on the wiki it is not mentioned whether its an instant or a bolt spell, I'd like to add that. Spell targeting would be "Single Target" or "Area of Effect". --[[User:Bfx|bfx]] 07:05, 24 March 2007 (EDT)
-:::::: Just to mention that IMO "Next Melee" should also go under the "Casting Time" category.. --[[User:FireFly|FireFly]] 15:05, 2 April 2007 (EDT)
-Just to toss another spoon in the pot, the druid [[maim]] says "Finishing move that causes damage and incapacitates the target. Any directly damaging attack will revive the target." Which means to me 'bleed effects do not break it, but any attack that does damage will break the stun'. You can [[rip]] and/or [[rake]] then [[maim]], the bleeds tick and they stay stunned, but if you get behind and throw [[shred]], they wake up right away. So I read 'direct damage' as 'damage right away' as opposed to 'damage over time'. A DD shot like freshly applied moonfire wakes them, a DD shot like wrath wakes them, a DD attack like [[mangle]] wakes them, but the previously ticking moonfire or bleed effect does not. I believe that's what they mean by the difference. --[[User:Azaram|Azaram]] 06:03, 17 March 2007 (EDT)
-:When playing on my shaman I've noticed the grounding totem only seems to work on spells that travel, like fireball or shadowbolt, but does not seem to stop smite, mindflay, or other instant attacks. So
-there may be a difference between the spell types.
-::Mindflay is a Channeled spell. So that isn't supposed to work on a GT. However, Smite is. I know for a fact that Fire Blast works against GTs. :)--{{User:Sky2042/Sig}} 17:49, 2 April 2007 (EDT)
-==Smelting?==
-Does Smelting give mining training? [[User:CthulhuRlyeh|CthulhuRlyeh]] 19:46, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
-:Yes, although usually by the time you start mining iron, your mining skill has gotten so high that the smelting skill is now grey and won't give any skillups. - [[User:ClydeJr|ClydeJr]] 22:03, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
-== Level 70 guide? ==
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---[[User:Rhaleon|Rhaleon]] 22:03, 24 March 2007 (EDT)
-I was just wondering if I am missing a link here or if anyone knew a url for a 70 guide.  I thus far have gotten keyed for kara...
-was wondering.. what should I focus my energy on now?  most people are unresponsive in game and its frustrating as hell.  I need to know what stuff I need to do to be able to access any/all gameplay for 70s.  please help
-:Check out http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/bcattunement/ --{{User:Psyker7/Sig}} 06:11, 25 March 2007 (EDT)
-== Zeppelins don't come to the Undercity Tower! ==
-Hi, I have a problem with the game.I waited so long in zeppelin tower in front of the Undercity but non came! I went to Booty bay, at first there was a ship to bring me to Ratchet and i went there, but when for the second time i went to Booty bay the problem with the zeppelins happened and there was no ship for long time and no portal to darnasus either! please help me, what should I do?
---[[User:Ace85|Ace85]] 14:59, 25 March 2007 (EDT)
-:Page a GM in game through the help console.  --[[User:Jellisii|Jellisii]] 22:46, 25 March 2007 (EDT)
-::Define waiting for a long time... because sometimes when you're waiting for the zepp it can seem like you're there forever. Especially if it left right before you got there and you didn't see it... [[User:Shik|Shik]] 19:33, 18 April 2007 (EDT)
-== Model changing ==
-Blizzard's EULA says I can't edit their game files, but what if I'm doing it for looks? I'm not doing this to move walls, or make nodes bigger, just change what a weapon looks like to another... is this safe? And how do they figure it out anyway? If I'm going to get banned, I'm copying back the backup file asap. I just changed it w/ a hex program. I just want my weapons look more cool >:( --[[User:Colinstu|Colinstu]] 00:40, 26 March 2007 (EDT)
-:Blizzard says don't change their files for any reason. They already have the Warden program that checks what else is running. They might have other things that check filesizes, date changed, checksums, other stuff. Just don't do it. - [[User:ClydeJr|ClydeJr]] 01:01, 26 March 2007 (EDT)
-:: this was bothering me and chnaged it back... lol --[[User:Colinstu|Colinstu]] 01:26, 26 March 2007 (EDT) PS, two thunderfurys did look sweet :P
-:Confirmed, Blizzard noted a long time ago that model changing for any reason is not allowed. It started to get out of hand where Addon Authors were releasing packages that allowed, in some ways, to change the environment. Albeit you want to change things for "looks" or otherwise, it's not allowed. Sorry :( {{User:Kiltek/Sig}} 04:40, 26 March 2007 (EDT)
-: It is very illegal for this reason. You can see people better by changing them, etc. This is why it's illegal. It's bannable. It will be detected. MPQ files are hashed and easily verified for integrity. It's one of the most basic checks by Warden. --[[User:Shirik|Shirik]] 11:29, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
-:: P.S. If you really wanted to change those files, using a hex editor is possibly the worst way to do it :P --[[User:Shirik|Shirik]] 11:29, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
-== Question about + generic magic damage vs + specific magic tree damage ==
-I apologize if this has been asked and answered before but I looked and didn't see an answer anywhere.
-Is there any difference between an item that does +20 spell damage as opposed to +20 frost damage?  I know that the latter is obviously limited to boosting frost but will the +20 spell damage give the same boost to frost (as well as fire, arcane, etc.) that +20 frost damage will?  If so, why is there any item that limits damage to a specific magic branch as opposed to the generic +spell damage?
-Thanks in advance!
---[[User:Zippity|Zippity]] 01:38, 28 March 2007 (EDT)
-: No there's no difference in the "boost" it will give you, on a top level at least. Each spell a class has benefits from a percentage of the +damage (or +healing) you might have; it's never 100%. This can also be changed through talents.
-: Limiting items to certain types of damage is about itemisation balancing; it's simply to stop people being able to completely overgear themselves. Take a mage for example, they have Fire, Frost and Arcane; now imagine how over powered that would be if that mage could wear the same robe to boost the power of his Fire spells, even though he's actually Frost specc. It's all about balance! {{User:Kiltek/Sig}} 04:51, 28 March 2007 (EDT)
-::I think that when you have a boost to a specific type of damage, the bonus is often higher that the generic damage type. Take a look at [http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24628 Slavehandler Wristguards]. The Invoker and Sorcerer versions have a +15 generic spell damage boost. The "Wrath" versions have a bonus +35 to a specific damage type. Using a Wrath item is best if most of your spells are from a specific school. For example, I found the Shadow Wrath version of this and gave it to my Affliction warlock. Almost all her spells are shadow based. While her Immolate spell didn't get a boost, I didn't use it that often. - [[User:ClydeJr|ClydeJr]] 12:19, 28 March 2007 (EDT)
-:::Following that logic, just look at all the quest rewards which give items with +X damage and healing or +Y healing, where Y > X.  Since healing's a limited type of magic, it's balanced to boost it more than it would be to boost everything. --[[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 05:25, 8 April 2007 (EDT)
-== neutral faction ==
-Dont You Think That There Should B a neutral faction that way u can decide what towns u wanna help ou and what towns u wanna gain rep 4 it would just make the game that much better imagine playing as a blood elf and deciding that you want help out storm wind or iron forge ore even for some strange reason darnassus
---[[User:Rufficuss|Rufficuss]] 02:00, 28 March 2007 (EDT)
-:: World of Warcraft is a game very much based on Lore. Doing something like this would go against that lore. In all games, there is always 2 opposing sides (or more) and as such it creates the competition, seen in both PvP and PvE that we see today. Start to blend those edges and the game is going to lose its kick and interest. So no, it would in no way be a good idea. {{User:Kiltek/Sig}} 04:47, 28 March 2007 (EDT)
-:There are neutral factions which you can choose which ones to help out - there's the Goblins, the Aldor/Scryer choice, and the choice of Centaur tribes in [[Desolace]].  However, for many reasons, both lore- and gameplay-based, there isn't and will never be a way to help the ''opposing'' faction.  If you've been playing long enough, you may remember that you used to be able to see your rep with the opposing faction, and that it started at Hated, could never go up, and was permanently "at war" (at least, that's how I remember it being).  That's been removed, since it was quite pointless to have.  --[[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 05:23, 8 April 2007 (EDT)
-== What patches were armor released? ==
-I can see that T1 and T2 have been having armor and stat change way back, but when were they released? Can I also get when T0, .0, ZG, T3, PvP epic and rare, etc was releases? Thanks. --[[User:Colinstu|Colinstu]] 00:39, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
-: Sure, but you'll be finding it yourself :) Check out [[Patches]] then just look through each of the patch notes to find out. Armor is implemented into the game on the release of the dungeon in which they drop. However, Tier Sets are generally already in the game files before they a formally released. {{User:Kiltek/Sig}} 04:54, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
-::I know for certain that both T1 and T2 were released with version 1.0 with the [[Molten Core]]. The majority of T2 was removed during a subsequent patch, in wait for [[BWL]].--{{User:Sky2042/Sig}} 03:00, 2 April 2007 (EDT)
-:::*[[Patch 1.7 (Release Notes)|Patch 1.7: Rise of the Blood God]] introduced the [[Zandalar Tribe set|Zandalar Tribe/Tier 1.5 set]] from [[Zul'Gurub]] and [[Arathi Basin]] sets with that battleground. This patch came out in September 2005.
-:::*[[Patch 1.9 (Release Notes)|Patch 1.9: The Gates of Ahn'Qiraj]] introduced the [[Cenarion Circle set|Cenarion Circle/AQ20 set]] and the [[Brood of Nozdormu set|Brood of Nozdormu/AQ40/Tier 2.5 set]] with the [[Ahn'Qiraj|Ruins and Temple of Ahn'Qiraj]] instances. It also brought model and stat changes to [[Tier 2]] armor. This patch was introduced in Jan 2006.
-:::*[[Patch 1.10 (Release Notes)|Patch 1.10: Storms of Azeroth]] introduced [[Dungeon Set 2|Tier 0.5 aka Dungeon Set 2]] in March 2006.
-:::*[[Patch 1.11 (Release Notes)|Patch 1.11: Shadow of the Necropolis]] introduced [[Tier 3]]  with the [[Naxxramas]] dungeon in June 2006.
-:::*The [[Burning Crusade]] expansion brought us [[Tier 4]], [[Tier 5]], and [[Dungeon Set 3]] in January 2007.
-:::Hope this helps - [[User:ClydeJr|ClydeJr]] 18:18, 2 April 2007 (EDT)
-== Wow enus dont get the full tome.mpq 5 why ? ==
---[[User:666046|666046]] 03:37, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
-: What? {{User:Kirkburn/Sig2}} 03:41, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
-When i install it´, i dont get hole part of it the file tome.mpq 5 is not full download dont knoew how to do plz help ?
-:: This isn't Warcraft nor Wiki related. I'd suggest going to the [http://forums.wow-europe.com/board.html?forumId=11079&sid=1 EU Support Forums] or the [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11110&sid=1 US Support Forums]. Tome.mpq is on the disks, or the downloaded version from Blizzard (which I can confirm) so I'm not sure what you're on about, and here isn't the place. {{User:Kiltek/Sig}} 04:50, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
-::: Have you download it if you have how much gig do you download my tome.mpq 5 map is only on 641 862 kb my firend got 644 000 and when i try to instal it some of a avi missing on it ??? {{unsigned|666046}}
-:::: I've not downloaded anything recently - and it's probably that you're not downloaded the correct patch version. Please go to [http://forums.wow-europe.com/board.html?forumId=11079&sid=1 EU Support Forums] or the [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11110&sid=1 US Support Forums]. You'll get no technical support here. {{User:Kiltek/Sig}} 05:11, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
-:::::I don't get any help there and i dont install any patch i install WoW-2.0.0-enUS-Installer cause i need the north american version to run burning crusade then But it is a error on the tome.mpq 5 :S ? plz help if you can .. {{unsigned|666046}}
-::::::Please sign your posts with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>
-::::::Right, what are you actually trying to do? Are you installing a US Version of WoW? Where did you get this installer from? Have you removed previous versions of WoW from your computer? {{User:Kiltek/Sig}} 05:37, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
-:::::::It's possible that you just aren't patched up the current version, which is why it's a different size.  As long as it plays, don't worry about it. If it gives you an error, quote the error when you're having a problem.  If it plays but has a specific problem (such as video X is corrupted), check the WoW support forums. --[[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 05:20, 8 April 2007 (EDT)
-== Gaining rep ==
-What is the best way to gain rep with Orgrimaar?
-I have done lots of quests and am revered but really want the wolf mount, where should I be questing?
---[[User:Tobia|Tobia]] 15:46, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
-:You want to do as many quests where the quest-giver is an orc, even old level 1 quests. I believe all quests give full rep bonus, even if you don't get an experience. If you've done all the quests you can, then your next best bet is to turn in cloth to the Cloth Quartermaster in Orgrimmar. Her name is [[Rashona Straglash]] and I believe she can be found next to the Tailor trainers so you can ask a guard for directions. She'll first give you a turn in 60 wool, then 60 silk, then 60 mageweave, then finally a repeatable quest to turn in 60 runecloth.
-::I am not sure if this has changed in all places or if it has always done it, but I know when I go to turn in runecloth for the repeatable part, I only turn in 20 at a time.  I think the first time turn ins give 200 or 250 rep, and the repeat turn ins give 75.  {{User:Dparvin/Sig}} 12:14, 23 April 2007 (MDT)
-:Another possible solution (if you are level 60+) is to get Exalted status in the [[Alterac Valley]] battleground and purchase one of their white wolves for 50 AV Marks of Honor. - [[User:ClydeJr|ClydeJr]] 17:31, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
-::Also doing [[Alterac Valley]] and turning in items there will give you rep with [[Orgrimmar]] I believe.  I have not done AV with horde, but I know I got exalted with [[Ironforge]] by doing a lot of AV turn ins.  Once you get to Exalted with the primary faction ([[Ironforge]] or [[Orgrimmar]]) then the faction gets split to the other four factions on your side.  So when I got my faction with Ironforge all the way to the top of exalted, the faction went to [[Stormwind]], [[Gnomeregan]], [[Exodar]] and [[Darnassus]]. {{User:Dparvin/Sig}} 12:14, 23 April 2007 (MDT)
-== Possible to download WoWWiki? If so... how? ==
-{{villagepumpmove|Possible to download WoWWiki? If so... how?}}
-== Karazhan video request ==
-I use to have a two part video that was available for download from some guild - but I deleted it and I want to watch it again. I remember that the guild was European(French?), was horde, and used Sony Vegas for editing the movie. The video was pretty high quality, nice editing too. The PoV was an undead priest most of the time, and would occasionally switch to a feral druid. If anyone can point me to the right direction, or has the video, tell me! TY --[[User:Colinstu|Colinstu]] 16:51, 29 March 2007 (EDT) PS, another useless detail was that one of the druids were wearing those recolored druid T1 shoulders.
-: Was it of the whole instance or just a few bosses, or only one boss even? Helps in searching :-) --[[User talk:Tinkerer|<font color="green">T</font>]][[User:Tinkerer|<font color="green">inker</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Tinkerer|<small><font color="black">er</font></small>]] 16:14, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
-:: God, I can't remember. Some parts of me tell me yes, some say no... For some reason I keep thinking the guild is called soul society but I go to their site and nothing. --[[User:Colinstu|Colinstu]] 21:44, 31 March 2007 (EDT)
-== Silvermoon City Reputation? ==
-Alright, so...  I've been informed that once you complete all the quests in the Eversong Woods and The Ghostlands, there are absolutely 100% no more quests there(unless you're a Paladin) until you hit Level 60?  As such, I'd like to know if it's physically possible to get Exaulted with Silvermoon City as a non-Blood Elf race.  If so, how?  I know you can repeatedly turn in cloth to the Cloth Quartermaster in The Bazaar of Silvermoon City, but other than that...?  ~ <font color="#00BF00">Doc Lithius</font> ([[user:Doc Lithius|U]])([[User talk:Doc Lithius|T]])([[Special:Contributions/Doc Lithius|C]]) 13:01, 4 April 2007 (EDT)
-: Once you get completely exalted with orgimmar, I think you can get rep to all horde factions, via turn ins of stuff in Alterac valley. --[[User:Colinstu|Colinstu]] 16:11, 4 April 2007 (EDT)
-::You don't have to be exalted with Orgrimmar, you just have to be in the instance to receive the rep from turn-ins. I must say, it will take quite a few of turn ins however. :)--{{User:Sky2042/Sig}} 02:22, 5 April 2007 (EDT)
-:There are other quests scattered around which give SC rep. There's at least one questgiver in [[Freewind Post]], for instance.  In general, you get to exalted with Silvermoon the same way you get to exalted with any other major city - lots of quests at every level, and then repeatable rep turnins. The only thing special about this one is that any general Horde rep gained before BC doesn't count. --[[User:Bobson|Bobson]] 05:16, 8 April 2007 (EDT)
-== Next Expansion Area ==
-Where should the next expansion be? Here are the possible areas where it could be.
-Northrend.
-South Seas/Great Sea.
-Emerald Dream.
-Elemental Plane.
-Dark Below.
-Argus. (Dreanei original homeworld).
-Warcraft 3 wow area.
-War against old golds and ancients. (Fights old gods and ancients in current areas and mabye new areas).
-Discuss,
-[[User:Snorkyorky|Snorkyorky]] 19:34 Gmt.
-:[[Rumored expansions]]--{{User:Sky2042/Sig}} 18:44, 5 April 2007 (EDT)
-== LFG chat ==
-Romers has it that the GMs are thinking about putting up the LFG channel back on in the next "major" patch
-:That's not a rumor, its well known that the LFG channel will be coming back in the next major content patch, but will only be available to those players who are using the LFG/LFM UI. {{User:Cladhaire/Sig}}
-::That is ''awesome''.  Now maybe people'll stop spamming up the LookingForGuild and Trade channels in-town so much...  Furthermore, it'll be better for when we need a call-to-arms for when our towns are being desecrated.  ~ <font color="#00BF00">Doc Lithius</font> ([[user:Doc Lithius|U]])([[User talk:Doc Lithius|T]])([[Special:Contributions/Doc Lithius|C]]) 04:00, 13 April 2007 (EDT)
-== WoW and Blizzcon news! ==
-Some news for everyone...
-* All 2.1 Patch notes consolidated [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=94203802&sid=1]
-* Blizzcon 2007 announced! [http://www.blizzard.com/press/070412.shtml], [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=94849650&sid=1]
-* Profession Notes for 2.1 [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=94849591&sid=1]
-* Graveyards, Flight Paths and Trinkets for 2.1 [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=94959528&sid=1&pageNo=1]
-* Likely prelim class changes for 2.1 [http://pastey.net/11284]
-* Raids and dungeon changes for 2.1 [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=89378961&sid=1]
-* Elixir changes for 2.1 [http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=94161512&postId=940234401&sid=1#0]
-Enjoy and add to the wiki where appropriate please :) {{User:Kirkburn/Sig2}} 14:02, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
-: All nice and dandy, but isn't this kind of information supposed to go on the Warcraft Pump? ^^ <font color=#CC6633>==</font>[[User:Patrigan|<font color=#00CC33>'''Patrigan'''</font>]]<font color=#CC6633>-</font><small>[[User_talk:Patrigan|<font color=#00CC33>Talk</font>]]<font color=#CC6633>/</font>[[Special:Contributions/Patrigan|<font color=#00CC33>Contr</font>]]</small><font color=#CC6633>-</font>[[Server:Shattered_Hand_Europe|<font color=#00CC33>''SH (EU)''</font>]] 14:13, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
-:: Dammit, you're right. Moved! {{User:Kirkburn/Sig2}} 14:28, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
-::: Dare I say: "Owned!"? <font color=#CC6633>==</font>[[User:Patrigan|<font color=#00CC33>'''Patrigan'''</font>]]<font color=#CC6633>-</font><small>[[User_talk:Patrigan|<font color=#00CC33>Talk</font>]]<font color=#CC6633>/</font>[[Special:Contributions/Patrigan|<font color=#00CC33>Contr</font>]]</small><font color=#CC6633>-</font>[[Server:Shattered_Hand_Europe|<font color=#00CC33>''SH (EU)''</font>]] 14:37, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
-: Finally, a real flight point for Feralas! [[User:Sharlin|Sharlin]] 06:41, 13 April 2007 (EDT)
-:: Upcoming changes to Alchemy suck.  Reducing elemental protection pots to two minutes basically removes them from play.  They will be relegated to instances and raids only.  Whereas their value to normal adventurers in outdoor areas was immense.  Hell I and others have alchemy on multiple characters, but what for now? [[User:Sharlin|Sharlin]] 06:54, 13 April 2007 (EDT)
-:: Rogues get Improved Sap for free, Avenger's Shield has no minimum range now, Protection Paladins boosted, Ice Block has cool down effect similar to Pally/Priest shields.  Hell some classes change so significant it makes you wonder what TBC was {{User:Sharlin/Sig}} 12:20, 13 April 2007 (EDT)
-== **SPOILER** Illidan Stormrage model in wow and sound file information **SPOILER** ==
-well here it is the in game model of illidan stormrage
-illidan normal
-http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d11/TCraido/Illidannorm.jpg
-illidan dark
-http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d11/TCraido/illidandark.jpg
--**SPOILER ALERT**-
-i also found sound files of illidan and Maiev talking at what seams to be the end of there battle they say
-Maiev says: "ahh it is finished you are beaten"
-Illidan says: "Maiev  how is it even possible.... you have won... Maiev but the huntress is nothing with out the hunt... You are nothing with out me... *groans*" at this point illidan seams to die (NOOO T_T)
-Maiev say: "he is right … I feel nothing … I am….. Nothing…"
---[[User:Raidouk|Raidouk]] 17:13, 13 April 2007 (EDT)
---[[User:Raidouk|Raidouk]] 17:13, 13 April 2007 (EDT)
-: Your gonna get yelled at for data mining. --[[User:Colinstu|Colinstu]] 17:07, 14 April 2007 (EDT)
-:: nah, he's gonna get yelled at for DARN YOU FUCKING SPOILER!!! ^^ (added Spoiler alert)About the datamining, yeah just so you know, iot is kind of illegal. <font color=#CC6633>==</font>[[User:Patrigan|<font color=#00CC33>'''Patrigan'''</font>]]<font color=#CC6633>-</font><small>[[User_talk:Patrigan|<font color=#00CC33>Talk</font>]]<font color=#CC6633>/</font>[[Special:Contributions/Patrigan|<font color=#00CC33>Contr</font>]]</small><font color=#CC6633>-</font>[[Server:Shattered_Hand_Europe|<font color=#00CC33>''SH (EU)''</font>]] 18:51, 14 April 2007 (EDT)
-:::I gotta say, if I told everyone how much stuff I've found via Datamining with (certain programs), I'm pretty sure I'd be out on my arse.  But why do you think the article about [[Illidan Stormrage]] is still without an image of his in ''[[World of Warcraft]]''?  Simply put, [[The Black Temple]] hasn't been opened to the public yet, so no one can get an in-game image of him aside from maybe Blizzard employees and BETA testers. ~ <font color="#00BF00">Doc Lithius</font> ([[user:Doc Lithius|U]])([[User talk:Doc Lithius|T]])([[Special:Contributions/Doc Lithius|C]]) 19:23, 14 April 2007 (EDT)
-:::: I datamine a lot too, I'm always dressing up charactes and looking at the Expansion02 folder, but I don't tell people that {{=P}} {{User:Colinstu/Sig}} 23:54, 15 April 2007 (EDT)
-== where can you find out where to play the game WoWWiki ==
-where do i find out where to play the game WOWWiki
-: Huh? This is not a game. {{User:Colinstu/Sig}} 21:52, 16 April 2007 (EDT)
-: This Wiki is about [http://www.worlofwarcraft.com World of Warcraft] also known as WoW, hence WoWWiki. --{{User:Gryphon/Sig}} 16:22, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
-== CrafterList - Desired Craftable Boiler ==
-{{villagepumpmove|CrafterList - Desired Craftable Boiler}}
-== the azure glade tower defence ==
-the azure glade tower defence, not sure if this is the right place to post a question, but here goes........in the azure glade tower defence in WWIII I can only ever get to level 20 the second boss stage.  Then my tree gets corrupt and I die, however I never see any bosses?  Are they invisible or is there a bug in this level.  And is there a walkthrough anywher for this level?
-Regards
-Rick
-: The bosses at level 20 are invisible, you need the special towers that can see invisible mobs... can't remember their names, but they are the really expensive ones {{=P}} --{{User:Psyker7/Sig}} 21:41, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
-== [[Finnall Goldensword]]  ==
-I was just reading about her and was wondering if we are likely to see her in Dalaran when it becomes available to go to? {{Unsigned|Tiamus}}
-:Impossible to say, though it seems likely. --[[User:Ragestorm|<span style="border-bottom:1px dotted; cursor:help;" title="Admin">Ragestorm</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Ragestorm|talk]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Ragestorm|contr]])</small> 16:34, 18 April 2007 (EDT)
-::I always thought that she would be with Tandred Proudmoore and Captain Misham Waycrest in Boralus castle... but that is a stupid Idea.--{{User:Sandwichman2448/Sig}} 16:39, 18 April 2007 (EDT)
-== extra planet only in netherstorm ==
-While fly around Outland i noticed that there is a planet that i can only see thru the twisting nether in netherstorm. its a ringed planet to the east . and it dissapears when you leave netherstorm, I assume its just something blizzard forgot to add to other regions during development of BC
---[[User:Loxel|Loxel]] 23:11, 6 April 2007 (EDT)
-perhaps not, it maybe an unused zone like hyjal providing space for future development.
-P.S: everyone likes to have a biger map, but it seems as tho the bigger map there is the more time you waste traveling.--[[User:XEXANOTH|XEXANOTH]] 20:00, 15 April 2007 (EDT)
-== Stormwind Reputation ==
-Ok, so I have a 42 gnome who I don't want riding a mechanostrider. I don't care which faction but I'm only about 5000 rep from Stormwind Exalted. I know that once I hit 50 I can hit up Alerac (though I would get owned and will probably wait till 57 or so) However, I don't know any areas where there are humans who give a lot of quests at this level so I can gain SW rep. Anyone have any ideas?
---[[User:Theworthing|Theworthing]] 11:47, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
-:How about the quests you get in Southshore?  After that, you could move north into the Aterac Mountains and Western Plaguelands.  Also don't the quests that start in Theramore Isle give SW rep?  I think there is a lot of rep you can get at Arathi Highlands as well.  {{User:Dparvin/Sig}} 12:26, 23 April 2007 (MDT)
-::The problem is that there are pretty much no quests that start in Theramore and aren't Alerac and WP a bit too high? [[User:Theworthing|Theworthing]] 19:15, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
-:::Which Alterac are you referring to? If you're referring to the BG, it depends on the class. I would definitely suggest going if you're a ranged class; you just have to be careful of Rogues. As to the other Alterac, I have no clue (I think that's 35-45... I could be wrong). --{{User:Sky2042/Sig}} 22:25, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
-== Attribute Gain per Level... based on race/class or combo? ==
-Hi There has anyone ever done research on Attributes gained per level?  Is it class based or race based or combo of the two?  Will a naked lev 70 human priest have same stats as a naked lev 70 human rogue etc.   Would really like to know this... been eating away at me.
---[[User:Pookiebear|Pookiebear]] 16:54, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
-I would think so since every class has its own special attributes, as warriors have tons of health, and rogues have lots of agility, etc, so yeah, i would think as they level, they get special attributes for that class.
---Morgisakim 22:30, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
-Ok, then comes 2nd question... within each class, do the attributes vary per level based on race.  Or does race have any effect on it at all, other than starting attributes?
-== honor points ==
-why did they stop letting ppl get ranks like private and all that when you get honor points? --[[User:Gelo1992|Gelo1992]] 17:46, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
-:It was part of the old system. Old system went bye-bye, which means that ranks went bye-bye. Other than that, we don't know. --{{User:Sky2042/Sig}} 22:23, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
-== What are the dragon flights? (including the black dragonflight) ==
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---Morgisakim 22:20, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
-Hello, im sort of confused about the warcraft lore, so can someone help me out? ok well, im confused about what the black dragonflight is. WHAT IS IT? what did the titans have anything to do with dragons, what is the flights and such? and what do they do? can someone help me out? ok, well thanks.
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-:[[Dragonflight]]. Read to your heart's content. --{{User:Sky2042/Sig}} 22:31, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
-No I mean is it a guild of dragons? or do they just fly? or what?
-:Do you actually want to use the information I've given you? Go through the articles, and ''read''. I'm not going to present information that is already present to be used.--{{User:Sky2042/Sig}} 22:36, 23 April 2007 (EDT)